GTX 480 and GTX 470 Reviews

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Man that review is weird. The charts and results are extremely in favour of the gtx 480, however the writing seems like its trying to say the opposite.

"The GeForce GTX 480 is indeed the fastest single-GPU graphics card, being an average 28-33% faster than the ex-leader Radeon HD 5870. In some games, the GF100 GPU enjoys a 50% and larger advantage over the RV870. However, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 comes from a higher price category, so the difference in performance should not be wondered at."

I think the 100 dollar price difference is well worth it if we ignore power, since your getting more than a 25% performance improvement on average meaning the gtx 480 is greater bang for your buck, if just barely.

"If we don’t separate gaming graphics cards into single- and multi-GPU ones, the Radeon HD 5970 still remains the king of the hill. The GeForce GTX 480 cannot match it, especially at 2560x1600. Here are the numbers: the GeForce GTX 480 is an average 3% slower at 1600x900, 9% slower at 1920x1080 and as much as 22% slower at 2560x1600."

It strange they don't make the same price comparison with the 5970 really. When you consider most people game on 1920*1080 monitors and the 9% sacrifice seems pretty small when you consider you save a hundred dollars(more so because even they admit the 5870 cost more than 599) and you don't need to deal with dual card problems.

It looks like the gtx 480 is the best card in that review in terms of bang for your buck and performance.

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I was about to post the same thing. In that review the 480 is nearly equal to 5970 on avg fps in 1680 and 1920 res, and much faster than it in min FPS, all the while being $200 cheaper, yet the guy always talks about the 2560 resolution and how bad Fermi's do at that res.

That review puts the 480 at 30% faster than the 5870 in avg. FPS (in min FPS it's ridiculously better) at only a $100 price premium. It also makes the 470 faster than 5870 in everything but 2560x while being $50 cheaper.

I don't really find this review to be very believable, I'm sure they screwed something up with their numbers. And it looks as if they tried to "balance" these ridiculous numbers with being biased in favor of ATI in their commentary.

These 197.41 drivers are already pushing the GTX470 to the level of the 5870... In little time the GTX470 will have passed the 5870. Now all we have to do is wait for non reference coolers...

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Man that review is weird. The charts and results are extremely in favour of the gtx 480, however the writing seems like its trying to say the opposite.

"The GeForce GTX 480 is indeed the fastest single-GPU graphics card, being an average 28-33% faster than the ex-leader Radeon HD 5870. In some games, the GF100 GPU enjoys a 50% and larger advantage over the RV870. However, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 comes from a higher price category, so the difference in performance should not be wondered at."

I think the 100 dollar price difference is well worth it if we ignore power, since your getting more than a 25% performance improvement on average meaning the gtx 480 is greater bang for your buck, if just barely.

"If we don’t separate gaming graphics cards into single- and multi-GPU ones, the Radeon HD 5970 still remains the king of the hill. The GeForce GTX 480 cannot match it, especially at 2560x1600. Here are the numbers: the GeForce GTX 480 is an average 3% slower at 1600x900, 9% slower at 1920x1080 and as much as 22% slower at 2560x1600."

It strange they don't make the same price comparison with the 5970 really. When you consider most people game on 1920*1080 monitors and the 9% sacrifice seems pretty small when you consider you save a hundred dollars(more so because even they admit the 5870 cost more than 599) and you don't need to deal with dual card problems.

It looks like the gtx 480 is the best card in that review in terms of bang for your buck and performance.

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So what you're doing is taking the price metric, applying it where it's convenient for you, ignoring power (let's ignore everything that it's not good at), then you say it's the best for performance (erroneous).

Massaging data is great.

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Originally Posted by cegras

So what you're doing is taking the price metric, applying it where it's convenient for you, ignoring power (let's ignore everything that it's not good at), then you say it's the best for performance (erroneous).

Massaging data is great.

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I am not even close to doing that, I have made it pretty clear in the past, the power consumption the gtx 480 is attrocious and piss poor and a serious draw back.

I think its rather the article itself that taking in account the price/performance ratio and applying it when it convenient. Compared to the 5970 in this case, it seems like the superior value as it offers 90 percent of the performance at 1920*1080 but at being 200 dollars cheaper and being a single chip, seems like the better card.

The writing in the article is simply poor if you look at the results in the graphs of the article.

Xbitlabs' writing is usually poor. They usually throw out random explanations for results like "poor drivers", "insufficient texture units" at whim when all they're doing is wildly guessing. I wouldn't take it on too much, just look at the graphs.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

I am not even close to doing that, I have made it pretty clear in the past, the power consumption the gtx 480 is attrocious and piss poor and a serious draw back.

I think its rather the article itself that taking in account the price/performance ratio and applying it when it convenient. Compared to the 5970 in this case, it seems like the superior value as it offers 90 percent of the performance at 1920*1080 but at being 200 dollars cheaper and being a single chip, seems like the better card.

The writing in the article is simply poor if you look at the results in the graphs of the article.

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Yeah, but ignoring metrics is not very helpful to the discussion, you need to consider things as a whole. Although technically 100 extra watts isn't a lot over the course of time, that's still not an excuse.

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Originally Posted by RSC

These 197.41 drivers are already pushing the GTX470 to the level of the 5870... In little time the GTX470 will have passed the 5870. Now all we have to do is wait for non reference coolers...

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The 197.41 drivers add no performance improvements in either single or SLI. They are simply the WHQL version of the original beta drivers.

197.17 and 197.41 are the same drivers (except WHQL)?

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Originally Posted by Marios

197.17 and 197.41 are the same drivers (except WHQL)?

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From what I can see, yes. Even the "new" PhysX software version (9.10.0129) in the WHQLs is the same version as the betas handed out to reviewers.

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=23852
GeForce GTX 480 liquid cooling Danger Den review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...r-den-review/1

Video card prices aren't going down yet.. WTF is happening? >_<

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Originally Posted by insurgent

Video card prices aren't going down yet.. WTF is happening? >_<

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using TSMC is costing them too much I guess

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

using TSMC is costing them too much I guess

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You mean ATI? The 5800s have been out for more than 6 months, I was thinking a refresh and price cuts are in order.. well maybe the 460/465 would be a better choice when new cards come out.

What price cut....:D, You see there are all the same Ati and Nvidia , when they have advantage none will cut the price.
Ati had and has advange on Nivida because they cover all segements with DX11, the have good competition for both GTX 470 and GTX 480, so why to cut prices.
I expect some small cuts from Nvidia when the yelds will raise, but this will be june/july.

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Originally Posted by insurgent

You mean ATI? The 5800s have been out for more than 6 months, I was thinking a refresh and price cuts are in order.. well maybe the 460/465 would be a better choice when new cards come out.

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I meant nvidia,

for ATi there's that the price is competitive as it is, so they'll only drop prices when GTX 470/80 does.

GTX 470 and 480's prices are very good. They don't need to go down (from their current MSRP) further to be competitive.

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

GeForce GTX 480 liquid cooling Danger Den review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...r-den-review/1

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http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-den-review/10

Why aren't these geniuses comparing overclocked 5870 to overclocked 480. Are they really that ignorant? Apples to pears.

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...-den-review/10

Why aren't these geniuses comparing overclocked 5870 to overclocked 480. Are they really that ignorant? Apples to pears.

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They are comparing the GTX480 watercooled with OC to the regular GTX480 and to the 5870. What's wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

GTX 470 and 480's prices are very good. They don't need to go down (from their current MSRP) further to be competitive.

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Unless the competition lower their prices, and they will, soon or later. I think they're just waiting to see if GTX 400 availability will remain good after a few weeks.

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Originally Posted by RSC

They are comparing the GTX480 watercooled with OC to the regular GTX480 and to the 5870. What's wrong with that?

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Nothing wrong with it at all, if you don't care about how an overclocked 5870 performs. Meaning, its annoying.

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Originally Posted by damha

Nothing wrong with it at all, if you don't care about how an overclocked 5870 performs. Meaning, its annoying.

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and how much should they overclock the 5870? should they add a waterblock on it too to make the "apples to apples" comparison?

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Man that review is weird. The charts and results are extremely in favour of the gtx 480, however the writing seems like its trying to say the opposite.

"The GeForce GTX 480 is indeed the fastest single-GPU graphics card, being an average 28-33% faster than the ex-leader Radeon HD 5870. In some games, the GF100 GPU enjoys a 50% and larger advantage over the RV870. However, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 comes from a higher price category, so the difference in performance should not be wondered at."

I think the 100 dollar price difference is well worth it if we ignore power, since your getting more than a 25% performance improvement on average meaning the gtx 480 is greater bang for your buck, if just barely.

"If we don’t separate gaming graphics cards into single- and multi-GPU ones, the Radeon HD 5970 still remains the king of the hill. The GeForce GTX 480 cannot match it, especially at 2560x1600. Here are the numbers: the GeForce GTX 480 is an average 3% slower at 1600x900, 9% slower at 1920x1080 and as much as 22% slower at 2560x1600."

It strange they don't make the same price comparison with the 5970 really. When you consider most people game on 1920*1080 monitors and the 9% sacrifice seems pretty small when you consider you save a hundred dollars(more so because even they admit the 5870 cost more than 599) and you don't need to deal with dual card problems.

It looks like the gtx 480 is the best card in that review in terms of bang for your buck and performance.

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there is only 2 logical explanation to this f up review first nvidia paid well for rehash sec bit tech is one lame site :ROTF: cause there isn't any performance improvements with new drivers and seems they are pulling numbers from there bottocks :D and i love how nvidia fans got excited even they don't see those improvements in there own rig thats hilarious :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

and how much should they overclock the 5870? should they add a waterblock on it too to make the "apples to apples" comparison?

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No, I'd say put the 5870 under dry ice so we get a sense of how much faster a 5870 can be.

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Originally Posted by damha

No, I'd say put the 5870 under dry ice so we get a sense of how much faster a 5870 can be.

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or maybe add another 5870 and failing to mention it :D

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Originally Posted by eric66

there is only 2 logical explanation to this f up review first nvidia paid well for rehash sec bit tech is one lame site :ROTF: cause there isn't any performance improvements with new drivers and seems they are pulling numbers from there bottocks :D and i love how nvidia fans got excited even they don't see those improvements in there own rig thats hilarious :ROTF:

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I thought most people loved xbitlabs reviews. I don't think they paid anyone off with the tone of the writing in that review.

Galaxy GeForce GTX 470 GC SLI Review
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/..._gc_sli_review

Zotac GeForce GTX 480 Review
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=518&Itemid=72

GTX 480 vs HD 5870 - Single and Multi Cards
http://lab501.ro/placi-video/nvidia-...tii-multi-card

Galaxy GTX 470 KFA2 Review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/kfa2-g...tx-470-review/

Zotac GeForce GTX 470 Review
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=516&Itemid=72

What is the difference between the KFA2 and the GC from galaxy ?
Tiger-direct already listing the GC in stock for 380$

GTX 470 2 and 3-way SLI Review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...ay-sli-review/

256.76 Beta Review

Only 1680X1050 :(

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Originally Posted by Olivon

256.76 Beta Review

Only 1680X1050 :(

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Pretty impressive jumps in directx 11. The biggest flaw in current gtx 480 performance is 2560*1600 performance. That needs to be tested.

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What is the difference between the KFA2 and the GC from galaxy ?
Tiger-direct already listing the GC in stock for 380$

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There are the same card, on Galaxy page there is a single custom GTX 470.
They are naming differently by region to sell...
GC for America and KFA2 for Europe

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Under their all new premium brand KFA2 (Karte for Action) series has now released a completely customized GeForce GTX 470. I tell you, the card is looking really good. Custom everything, dual-BIOS, removable fan to clean up dust, standard overclock, lower temperatures, lower noise levels .. well that all sums it up real quick really.

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KFA is short for Karte For Action, it's a premium brand from the guys and gals over at Galaxy. KFA2 is an actual brand all by itself targeted at the European region.

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( guru3d).
So you can buy GC.
The strog part....
http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/a...5/DPP_0127.jpg

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GeForce GTX 4-Way SLI Review
You know, a couple of weeks ago I started to get the Guru itch, it happens so often really. In this case, the itch to achieve something remarkable with hardware. Reaching that x-factor with cool gear. Right at that time NVIDIA released a new driver for the GeForce GTX 480 cards, that new driver supports 4-way SLI on just one title ... 3DMark Vantage.

And as silly as it really is, it intrigued me. You know, the fastest multi-GPU setup I created last year achieved a 26449 mark (P score 3Dmark Vantage). Now with the recent refresh of the X58 motherboards, the all new Core i7 980X processor and the GeForce GTX 480 slowly becoming available we figured, frack it ... go for it. Create an uber-PC worthy of breaking that personal 3DMark Vantage score of mine.

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http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...ay-sli-review/

I must say that I have had the chance to actually test two of these finally.

EVGA GTX480s

and the reviews WERE MEGA BIASED AGAINST THEM.

I cannot condone Nvidia's business practice of lying and cheating their fans.

However these products are not bad -

they do not get too loud at all!

they do get extremely hot!

They have good performance - with two in SLI and a 980X I was able to get

P37,058 score on 3dmark Vantage.

That is a good run for every component on stock air cooling.

So even though Nvidia has forever damaged their reputation with me because of paper launches lies etc - the cards are not as bad as the reviews say, are quiet and scale great in SLI.

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they do not get too loud at all!

they do get extremely hot!

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u do know thats how physics work, if u have a heatsink that can cool 200W, and you give it 200W, you can have higher temps with no noise, or lower temps with high noise.

most cooling solutions are built for maximum profit, so i bet if you take almost any normal card (not those wich go for 50$ more and are the same clocks), i bet to reach the same temps, they will be about the same noise levels.

why should ATI let their 5850 cost 5$ more so it can run 5-10C lower than their 5870? they wouldnt, they pocket the extra cash and let everything reach the highest safe level possible.

btw you should try to keep your personal opinion out of your posts, its nice to give an opinion on results, but how you feel personally about a brand does not help others in anyway.

Inno3D GTX470 Hawk Review
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...rticleId=27610

I tested the Galaxy 480 against a reference 5870. It was significantly louder than the 5870 and not significantly faster on average FPS. However, I definitely did feel the "higher min FPS effect" on some games (Crysis). The game definitely felt more stable. These cards are hot, but their prices are justified.

NVIDIA Geforce/ION 256.76 driver leaked
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/top...vidia-desktop/

galaxy kfa2 gtx470 oc OVERCLOCKED to 800mhz core review

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What this does to the value is just disturbing with it now coming in as the best valued card to date we've tested.

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http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/32...g/index19.html

that hardocp review telling everyone to not buy a 470 sticks out more every week

unfortunately reviews need to be redone with those new drivers. while they make no significant difference in some cases, its a big difference in others. also lets hope one reviewer on the whole internet gets his head out of his ass and compares apples to apples with overclocked nvidia and amd cards, and looks at minimum fps rather than fumbling over 100fps averages

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that hardocp review telling everyone to not buy a 470 sticks out more every week

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I will be arsh, HardOCP is a shame, totally biaised site :yepp:

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Palit GeForce GTX 470 Dual Fan - TechPowerUp

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Palit GTX 470 Dual Fan Review
Palit is one of the first companies to release a custom designed GTX 470 card. They changed the PCB design and the cooling solution to meet their demands, first of all allowing the cards to be built at a more affordable cost level.
In regards to specifications and clocks nothing has changed, the Palit GTX 470 offers exactly the same performance at the reference design, the only notable change is the reduced price of $330 vs. $350 of the reference design.

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http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P..._GTX_470_Dual/

Comparison Revisited, Methods Refined: Nvidia GeForce GTX 480/470 vs. ATI Radeon HD 5870/5850
http://www.techspot.com/news/39178-c...5870-5850.html

ASUS GeForce GTX 480 ENGGTX480 Review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-g...gtx480-review/

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 480 AMP! - Fermi done properly
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24925

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Comparison Revisited, Methods Refined: Nvidia GeForce GTX 480/470 vs. ATI Radeon HD 5870/5850
http://www.techspot.com/news/39178-c...5870-5850.html

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If their numbers are accurate, by my score the 480 is marginally-significantly faster than 5870, but 470 is not significantly faster than 5850.

Very little significant performance advantage means the lower power, cost, and noise are significant advantages for AMD.

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

If their numbers are accurate, by my score the 480 is marginally-significantly faster than 5870, but 470 is not significantly faster than 5850.

Very little significant performance advantage means the lower power, cost, and noise are significant advantages for AMD.

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Well there's always the overclock route in which case the 470 could beat the stock 480 when they were first reviewed.

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Originally Posted by Helloworld_98

Well there's always the overclock route in which case the 470 could beat the stock 480 when they were first reviewed.

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I agree, but we can't judge the overclocking situation without an apples-to-apples comparison of both AMD and nvidia cards overclocked to their normal max. So far every cripple reviewer has been comparing overclocked nvidia cards to stock AMD ones . . .

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Originally Posted by bamtan2

I agree, but we can't judge the overclocking situation without an apples-to-apples comparison of both AMD and nvidia cards overclocked to their normal max. So far every cripple reviewer has been comparing overclocked nvidia cards to stock AMD ones . . .

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well I just compared a 900MHz 480 to a 1048MHz ASUS 5870 matrix platinum's MW2 results,

and to say that the 480 was a bit better than the 5870 at 1920x1200 is an understatement, the 480 got 169fps and the 5870 got 132fps

Zotac GeForce GTX 470 AMP Review
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/g...gtx_470_amp/4/
Translated
http://translate.google.com/translat...2F&sl=de&tl=en

http://www.nordichardware.com/images...89-AR_XL_1.jpg

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EVGA runs water-cooled GTX 480 cards at 1 GHz GPU clock
EVGA is one of few manufacturers selling graphics cards with water cooling from factory. It's hardly news, or surprising for that matter, that it has given NVIDIA's flagship GeForce GTX 480 the same treatment. The company says that the card reach over 1 GHz in the lab.

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http://www.nordichardware.com/compon...gpu-clock.html

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

http://www.nordichardware.com/images...89-AR_XL_1.jpg

http://www.nordichardware.com/compon...gpu-clock.html

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would be better if they sold them at that stock...

AMD would be jealous

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Inno3D GeForce GTX 480 iChill Black Series Review
Recently there have been more announcements from Inno3D regarding their iChill products, the new Fermi based enthusiast range of graphics cards get hot, really hot. And since the very beginning we already have been saying this, GeForce GTX 470 and 480 products would work really well on liquid cooling. A recent review on the GeForce GTX 480 with a Danger Den Cooling block (water-cooled) has shown that the performance is tremendous really. With a liquid cooled loop you can bring down temperatures towards roughly 50 Degrees (under full load), that's roughly 40 degrees less than the reference cooler offers. Obviously you'll need a proper water-cooling setup to add this card to but yeah, today we'll review the i-ChiLL GeForce GTX 480 Black Series equipped with a liquid cooling block.

In the package we'll spot a "full cover" water-block that is responsible for cooling down the GPU, Voltage Regulators, I/O chip, memory modules, and other critical components......

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http://www.guru3d.com/article/inno3d...series-review/

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 Superclocked+ Review
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...ed-review.html

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EVGA GeForce GTX 470 Superclocked+ Review
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...ed-review.html

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Seems the backplate and the airflow bracket really work well:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...X470-SC-69.jpg

EVGA GTX 480 Hydro Copper FTW Review
http://hothardware.com/articleimages...hc_angle13.jpg

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The EVGA Hydro Copper FTW GTX 480 looks to eliminate two of the biggest objections against NVIDIA's GF100, heat and noise. Once the custom waterblock from Swiftech is added to an existing liquid cooling loop, this videocard runs dead silent and operates at much lower temperatures than its air cooled counterparts. As an added bonus, it comes overclocked right out of the box, and with further tweaking we expect it to hit even higher levels of performance. Read on as we add this baby to our watercooling loop to see how well it performs in stock form and how far we can push it past its rated speeds........

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http://hothardware.com/Reviews/EVGA-...er-FTW-Review/

Now thats looks hawt!

Nvidia Launches Tool to Enable Easy Creation of GPGPU Software for Windows - XbitLabs

Nvidia Parallel Nsight software is a really important step for nVidia :yepp:

anyone interested in the EVGA hydro copper watercooled 480, take a look here.. Basically on par with the koolance blocks etc, doesnt even go past 50c load with 900+ core
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Qy_...eature=related

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Nvidia Launches Tool to Enable Easy Creation of GPGPU Software for Windows - XbitLabs

Nvidia Parallel Nsight software is a really important step for nVidia :yepp:

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would be more interesting if they made an emulator so you could run any windows CPU based programs on their GPU's