That's what I'm waiting to hear too, but CCC does stop at 1000 for the base 4890Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
If RivaTuner can get it up to > 1000 on stock.... that would be some insane performance
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That's what I'm waiting to hear too, but CCC does stop at 1000 for the base 4890Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
If RivaTuner can get it up to > 1000 on stock.... that would be some insane performance
Judging by the CCC limits for HD4870 which was 790MHz I would say 1050-1100MHz should be doable on most samples. We all know that most early HD4870 was doing 820-860MHz out of the box with a proper airflow.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
I'm looking forward to this card. Personally I might skip it and wait for RV870, but in general it looks like perfect upgrade for someone still ridding older than HD48xx or GF8800 series :up:
welcome to XS!:welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n
and yeah ure spot on, unlike 8800GTS>9800GTX>GTS250 this is simply going from 4870>4890, so no renaming
i wonder why they didnt increase mem speeds much though. i thought even the 4870 GDDR5 chips were rated for 1ghz?
Power savings I think - and maybe because the bandwidth is unused
yeah im basically with you. i have a 2900xt, and it does anything just fine, but not really cool uber graphics at 1920x1200. and i dont think i will go for a 5XXX card since it will be dx11 right? and i dont expect any game to look much better on dx11 until summer of 2011 when i could probably get a 6850ish for under 200$ and be much stronger than a 4890 plus with full dx11. please no one tell me how wrong my statement is with dates or models or prices, im just planning for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
OMG someone actually believed OBR!Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
:clap:
850 vs. 4870's 750 improved power usage. This is being said over and over and over. You want me to quote other people instead of him doesn't matter to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
+1. Please elaborate.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidReactor
lol it's being said over and over.. by OBR only. Quote those other people, if you can find it (no, FUD sites don't count).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
Instead, I'll take this post. and the fact that the die is bigger as facts, rather than some nVidia fanboy who's apparently gaining popularity for showing some random 3dmark results.
Even the very first post of this thread does.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
Did Intel101's post just get deleted?
GPUCafe: AMD to Bring 4890 Launch Ahead (Again)?
As far as changes go, I'm going to go ahead and believe what w0mbat said:
Meaning that something had to have changed to get 6% more per clock. Sorry haters, something was changed.Quote:
The 6% is clk-per-clk and not the overall performance.
Shhhh, don't you know they like living in their fantasy world where Nvidia completely dominates? :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
you guys seen any benchmarks yet?
i've been a bit out of it and what do you know a card just magically shows up on my desk........it's been sitting here gathering dust a bit....maybe i should yank it out and bench a little hey :D
i havent even heard of these lol >> says Radeon HD 4890 on the box :D
time to dust off the old computer hey
With all of this talk about the overclocked versions actually being better, I am beginning to worry. It seems that the greatest point of this card is the extremely high overclockability. However, I will be pretty ticked if the "reference" versions are mediocre, and the good cards require the price premium. :mad:
I envy thee.... :p: :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
because the board had more phases the card would consume way more power :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
too funny for words
F5 F5Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
what make is it?need benchies and pics.:D
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/b...253819lsf1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
COME ON COME ON!!
:D
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Hunter
:up:
say hello to my lil' friend
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/1...032009bbbb.jpg
"Game physics processing capability" :hm:
Awesome Card - CheckQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Computer To Put It In - Check
NDA Broken - Check
...
Cat 9.4s for New Card - :(
Perkam
if he gets a card right now, maybe he got a beta 9.4 driver as well ;)
Neat, where you at perkam? Or you in the US and get a special delivery? OR you shop it :P
That isn't perkam's... (I think that he wishes that it was though... :rofl: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
It is dinos's.
@Perkam: That had me busting my sides :rofl:... that really made my day! :up: :cool:
@Dinos: Is that a review sample, or a production card? And is it pre-overclocked?
But, but. but that box can't be right. It has to have more shaders than the 4870 because the IHS is bigger...Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
It has more shaders than 800 because it is an ATI product, that box has to be wrong.
?Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
There doesn't have to be more shaders if ATI optimized* them.
http://www.fpslabs.com/news/latest/h...-graphics-card
1050/1175 on stock?? Holy cr*p!Quote:
The first of these changes is that the chip has been given a tune-up to tighten the clock loops and enhance the power distribution. The second change is that the chip can now operate on two distinct power planes; one for the 3D core and one for the memory controller. This provides for greater control of the voltages and allows the chip to run closer to its optimal range. The dual power plane design also means that there is a higher potential top-end frequency and lower idle power consumption, since there is more voltage control over the different parts of the ASIC.
As a result, overclocking potential is off the charts. Reports have been flooding the net about this chip running at and in excess of 1GHz; a feat never before achieved with reference cooling solutions. Couple this with the fact that the memory can also be overclocked near 1.2GHz, and you have a very enthusiast-oriented card that should outperform even the most expensive competing products - and that’s not even the best part. According to our sources, you don’t need to go out and buy a factory-overclocked card to be able to reach 1GHz; mostly all cards based on the reference ATI design should be able to hit this milestone. Sweet.
:rofl::ROTF::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
lol this is just a retail card
i am not one of the lucky few that get free gfx cards
:shrug:
The EWIZ just stock them for retail sale. Check it out for price.
Who has the right? about launch date? - OBR :rofl: .. like always ...
Lastly, the launch date for the card, previously reported to be April 6th or April 9th, now appears to be April 2nd. This places it’s release a few important days ahead of NVIDIA’s GeForce GTX 275 (April 6th).
hehehe
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
You never did specify the launch date though.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Also your purported HD 4890 benchmarks just look like upclocked HD 4870s benchies; you havent even proved the fact whether you actually have the card.
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=GA-4890GB1Quote:
Originally Posted by damtachoa
$243.
P.S. Isn't this card just a Overclocked 4870?
To me the RV740 (HD4770) release seems more interesting.
Nevermind what I said above. I just saw this. Apparently these will do over 1 GHz due to other various changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Does this card use two 6 pin PCI-E power connectors or one 6 pin/one 8 pin?
2 6-pin as reference supposedly, with some AIB's opting for 1x6 and 1x8 probably for more headroom
Does xfx still warranty ATI cards for overclocking? Mmmm yum
I wish the NDA's will be lifted already so many rumors so confusing
damn they got it right. cool.
Can't wait to see this on LN2 :shocked:
It is easy to think so, but it's not. Wait for official launch/numbers ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aryton Senna
Perkam
seems like information comes here up north little bit delayed,
Ah thats ok Sampsa. We'll forgive you if you clock this baby to 1500Mhz Core :rofl: :lol: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Perkam
Wizzard has just published 0.3.3 version of GPU-Z:
* Added support for RV740 (HD 4750, HD 4770) and RV790 (HD 4890)
* Fixed G98 shader count
* Fixed GT200 process size calculation
* Added support for GTX 275
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...-Z_v0.3.3.html
OMG they are out for sale now... MUST resist urge..... I already have 3 in my cart at ewiz...... MUST resist
what's with the NDA, i was told 9th, but the cards are selling today ?
Well, it's not the first time this has happened.
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=AT-4890_1GQuote:
Originally Posted by Aryton Senna
The Sapphire is even cheaper at $238
Hexus.net has some 3DMark numbers up.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=17770
Sorry if it is a repost.
haha same as here(Thailand) on some time cards are selling before NDA :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
btw. NDA changed to 2nd Apr. ;)
does anyone know what FC waterblocks will work with this? or if the length of the 4 center holes is the same as older cards so i can tell what simple waterblocks will fit?
the holes are normal and IMO there is a high likelihood that current FC blocks will fit but they may need some modification to the VRM area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
with current 4870 wateblock, some minor modifications are needed, but there is brand new block in productionQuote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Zborgy, you have the card too? Nice :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Perkam
just make sure it comes in black
Here comes a first review from PCOnline.cn
It doesnt look to bad in the benches using cat 9.2 maybe faster with 9.3!
It is taking ages to load :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Edit :
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http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...cry2_thumb.jpg
http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...grid_thumb.jpg
http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...ysis_thumb.jpg
http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...lear_thumb.jpg
http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...ear2_thumb.jpg
http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...cod5_thumb.jpg
http://imgup3.pconline.com.cn:8001/v...arkv_thumb.jpg
got to be the best black design I seen ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
damn good looks:yepp:
i want the waterblock to come in black, but only to match the black video card
also has anyone cared to post benchies of the card underclocked to match stock speeds of the 4870 1GB? thats what im sure is most important to everyone here
i could have done better review lol whats thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Jumping the gun = stupidity. No one is getting official drivers before April.
Perkam
But it also means lots and lots of hits in their ad banners...Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Not Perkam
We have 2, photos to follow later, benchmarking them tomorrow!
as I see, everybody has 4890 :D or two, or three :DQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
can you please compare them at the same speeds to show core improvmentsQuote:
Originally Posted by initialised
Forget that, does anyone have the proper drivers for them yet? I concur with perkam on this. We don't want to jump to conclusions if we aren't see the proper drivers for them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Being retail cards, I think they must have drivers inside the box. :shrug:
That's what I was thinkingQuote:
Originally Posted by NBF
If we get time. I'll check the disc driver versions too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
is it possible they bundled 9.4 with the card, but they rushed the drivers for just this card, and will cover older cards in the official 9.4 release?
Unboxing Photos:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/...5fd1e3b7_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/...7018a9e9_b.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3633/...fe405dee_b.jpg
Benchmarks and overclocking tomorrow!
my e-peen is at half mast
i am guessing this requires 8pin + 6pin because at the back it shows 8 + 6 solder points at the top
i will wait for real reviews to come out this should be better then gtx285!
It has the solder points for non-reference cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS
Reference ones are still 2 x 6 iirc
That 8pin plug is not soldered onto the board. Pads are empty.
This is the same length as the 4870 right? :confused:
yes same length
@largon, yeah I noticed that too, if the cards I buy dont have 8-pins already I will be adding them on :)
as long as they have non refrence design water blocks i going to get that then
is it possible to splice the wires to get the same effect of 8pin? and i know someones gonna tell me thats stupid cause the wires may be stressed with too much heat, but your talking to someone who connected a 226W peltier via molex connector and never had a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
well you could solder wires to the board then plug the ends into the pins 7 and 8 on the PCI 8-pin connector... thats how I would do it if I couldnt get an 8-pin female port.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
I don't get the point of the 8-pin connector..
The extra 2 pins are just two extra grounds that are actually short-circuited with the original ground pins, in the cable itself. At least that's how they do it in my Corsair.
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense from a transport perspective. The only reasonable explanation I've heard is that the contacts may get too hot carrying all that current so they need to distribute the load a bit so they don't break down.
heat is the real issue from my understanding, which is based on hobbies and a highschool electronics class. the wires have limits due to the plastic shielding that will melt when too hot, however the wires inside the card can probably handle a much higher heat load and is not nearly limited. but i dont know exactly what happens to wires that have too much current applied, i dont know how quickly before the copper is damaged.
How much performance is expected from the Cat 9.4 drivers?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
8-pin adds an extra 75w of power.... (available)
I am going to reserve my judgement on the numbers until the cards are tested with CCC 9.4.
:fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Only boards you will see with 8pin+ 6pin are non-reference.
iandh, any idea if your current 4870 sinks will fit the 4890? I'm almost ceartain that the memory sink will, but I am unsure about the VRM sinks.
let see some naked pics to verify the goods are well placed
if i could order the 2gb 4890 today be an even more dulce today
Wasn't that part of the PCIe 2.0 spec?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
yeah but PIC-E2 + 6-Pin + 6-pin = 150+75+75 = 300W - PIC-E2 + 6-Pin + 8-pin = 150+75+75+75 = 375W IIRCQuote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
so basically if there two 6 pins then it takes about 300 if there is 6+8 pin it takes 375?
thx that means my tri fire wont be able to get handled on my enermax 1050
no card uses that much, its just the cap. i think the card will be about 200-225W
Are these coolers the same as the 4870s or have there been any design upgrades? ATI hasn't exactly been running all that cool with its high end models lately so I'm curious if these are marketed to OC a lot how many of these will be dieing in droves.
yeah like dan said above me, thats just the maximum lol....Quote:
Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS
actually the ATI cooler is pretty good, its just the retarded fan profile they put on the 4870 that made them run hot ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Glow9
I agree. Right now, running F@H on my 4870 @ 850 core, and fan manually set to 46%, not too loud, core is at 78C (with an ambient of 80F).Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
And I remember a bit back, that someone claimed that there is a third heatpipe on the 4890's sink.
A 3rd heat pipe would be nice, more importantly non crap paste would be nice too. Too much dicking around taking the cooler off for something that could have been done easy from the start. Keep me posted if it does have another pipeQuote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
AbsolutelyQuote:
Originally Posted by flopper
Yep, that was me. Heard that back before the pictures started showing up...Quote:
Originally Posted by ColonelCain
Can see the third heatpipe in this pic and this compared to the 2 heatpipe design of RV770, seen here, here and here.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Edit- Also had heard that they should be using a newer model fan on reference retail cards that perform slightly better as well, airflow and noise, but I haven't seen any proof of that yet other than slightly different numbers on the fans but I can't find good enough pictures for either one.
XFX Radeon HD 4890 pictured, priced and on sale
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...D_4890_01r.jpg
http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/new...D_4890_03r.jpg
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=25423&catid=2Quote:
First to spill the 'real' beans on the Radeon HD 4890, Dutch store Salland is now listing one of the two XFX RV790 cards as being in stock and ready for snatching by impulsive buyers. Available here, at 259.95 Euro, the card is bundled with Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X., and is based on AMD's reference design meaning it features a 55nm RV790 GPU clocked at 850 MHz, 1GB of GDDR5 memory at 3900 MHz, 800 Stream Processors and a 256-bit memory interface ...............