I just noticed the rpm in the BIOS dropping off and kicking way back up. but, the fan was staying at one speed.
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I just noticed the rpm in the BIOS dropping off and kicking way back up. but, the fan was staying at one speed.
Oh ok thanks. Mines not doing that. Good luck with the new one! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
So any ideas on why I can't find my RAM voltage anywhere?!? lol
AI Suite, pc probe, nor hwmonitor report my RAM voltage :shrug:
When I had a P5Q Dlx it overvolted the RAM by .08, but I can't verify the voltage now on my Pro. :confused:
Great work on the BIOS Ket, it's top notch. Finally got my 16FD3's stable past 1100mhz
I would like to know that myself, yesterday I was testing some RAM on my mate's P5Q PRO with Asus 1306 BIOS, but then I noticed that I couldn't find the DRAM voltage anywhere, not in the Asus software and not in Everest Ultimate. Does anyone know a way to get a voltage readout?Quote:
Originally Posted by whodie
I don't think the Pro has anything to monitor DRAM voltage. Its the one thing I think is absolutely silly. £100+ for the P5Q Pro and Asus can't put a damn RAM voltage monitor in or use a dual BIOS thing like on the -E.
There's no vDIMM monitor on the E. It's always bugged me. Had I known this from the start, I would have bought the Deluxe.
My board has done some odd things since day 1 with the cpu fan header. It reads in bios/everest at times as twice the speed for a second, then back to normal. I thought it was a software glitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Larry
I thought the -E had a DRAM voltage monitor? I could swear I saw it listed in the BIOS :confused: Its silly things like this that make me wonder about Asus. I mean why leave such minor things like that off? People would happily pay an extra £10 for the board to get a DRAM voltage monitor and a backup BIOS. As somebody said, from the Pro onward backup BIOS chip and vDIMM monitor should be standard. Even "cheap" Asus boards are usually £20 more than a competitors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
Hi,
After seeing this thread and not been overly knowledgeable to make an informed decission over what has been put on this huge thread :) I wanted some advice if this is possible please.
Hope it is ok to post this....
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
My problem as explained there is really getting on my nerves now, I have tried pretty much all I can think of and wasted money as I go.
Since I appear to be stuck on Bios 610 to keep stable, would these BIOS here, be any use to me to sort the problem?
Any help desperately seeked... thanks in advanced.
What CPU do you have?
I may have spoken too soon, I just launched probeII for kicks and I'm getting voltage warnings. My +3 v is @ 3.34 and the bottom just dropped out of my Vcore(flashing red) perhaps it's just that Vcore is set to warn if it drops below 1. I think I may roll back to 1402 when I have time.
RMA the board. Preferably to the place you bought it from not Asus.
Ket, I just wanted to say thanks, not just for you BIOS work, but for discovering the problem with CPU-ME on later BIOSes. I recently bought a P5Q-Deluxe with a Q9300, and of course the first thing I did was flash the BIOS. I then spent a week fighting the board, and even with extra voltage to the DRAM and NB, the system was still very unstable at stock settings, with crashes, bluescreens, applications falling over, and general crappyness all over. The system behaved like a total lemon, and was even worse at stock voltages.
Now having gone back to 803, the system is totally rock solid, with no crashes or bad behaviour. After a week of major frustration, you've solved my problem and a lot of grief.
It's a pity the 803 runs my RAM a little slower than the later BIOSes, but hopefully we can hassle Asus into fixing this issue and get to use newer BIOSes.
Q6600 (G0)Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Have you tried 0803 Revision BIOS? What are your specs period?What BIOS settings are you using? I think you should post in the P5Q Deluxe thread as well. I would try KET's Modded 0803 though which is here some where in this thread..
Ket, I'm not sure it is the board. The issues I've had are as Pants-Of-Fire has also outlined above. Applications crashing, BSOD etc etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants-Of-Fire
I don't want to RMA a board to end up with the same situation with a replacement. and i've had this board for a while now also. SO they will prob send it off for repair than replace it.
If you like my work so far, click the link at the bottom of my sig :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants-Of-Fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants-Of-Fire
Ket, I just wanted to say thanks, not just for you BIOS work, but for discovering the problem with CPU-ME on later BIOSes. I recently bought a P5Q-Deluxe with a Q9300, and of course the first thing I did was flash the BIOS. I then spent a week fighting the board, and even with extra voltage to the DRAM and NB, the system was still very unstable at stock settings, with crashes, bluescreens, applications falling over, and general crappyness all over. The system behaved like a total lemon, and was even worse at stock voltages.
Now having gone back to 803, the system is totally rock solid, with no crashes or bad behaviour. After a week of major frustration, you've solved my problem and a lot of grief.
It's a pity the 803 runs my RAM a little slower than the later BIOSes, but hopefully we can hassle Asus into fixing this issue and get to use newer BIOSes.
Hey hey hey now, I need credit for this one guys.. :p: All my precious trouble shooting..Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterDK
You just found out Quads hated CPU M-E, I found out Duals also hate CPU M-E :p:
:p::p::p: :rofl: Whatever, the funny thing is that no one would listen to me for a minute...
I will get the updated bios settings and post them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Do you think KETS modded 0803 will help ? I'm not sure what the benefits are... as I said not a guru OC'er etc.
Thanks
Thanks very much to you too! It hasn't escaped my attention that you are hassling someone at Asus to get it sorted (and apparently making progress), and are also having the "nothing above 803" problem that I'm experiencing.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Seriously, I'm sure a lot of people like me have been knocking our heads against a brick wall until we found this thread and the information on flashing back to before CPU-ME was implemented.
The problem is a lot of people (myself included) think we're getting something better with a newer BIOS, so we tend to want to keep messing with the settings to find what it takes to get stable and keep the latest BIOS. No one wants to admit defeat and flash back to the older BIOS, when really it's an unfixable CPU-ME bug that is never going to give a stable system no matter how many timings and voltages I tweak.
CPU M-E sure does cause havoc on duals, I stupidly switched from "Optimized" to "compatible" and got BSOD's till the cows came home....
Is the 901m BIOS good to go? I saw it was taken down for a bit but now it's back up.
As for RAM voltage, could anyone post a pic of where I need to slap my multimeter to check it?
It might be a big difference for you. I don't think my siznit here is stable 100% TBH. I have had a BSOD already once..Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterDK
Nobody seems to of taken onboard what I said about duals either. Said it in this thread and the P5Q Deluxe thread. I had all sorts of untold instability with any BIOS with CPU M-E, went back to 703 after modding it and everything worked great. High FSB, max CPU clocking and rediculously high memory clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Your problems are too numerous to blame entirely on the BIOS. Which is why I say RMA the board to the retailer, then give 803m a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterDK
hi wonderfull work Ket,
i would just like to know weather you think that by using one of your mbios's would it allow me to OC further with less vcore. Because i have a Q6600 VID 1.325v so therfore it likes a lot of juice. also it seems as if my corsair 2 gb ram 800mhz, doesnt like bein OC'd very much.
which bios version do you recommend and do i flash it the same way as the official bios's.
Im using the P5Q Deluxe mobo, Q6600, 2X1Gb corsair PC6400 800Mhz ram, ATI 4850.
thanks for your help
Which P5Q Series mobo do you have? Also, as shameless as it may be, if you like my current work and can spare a few bucks click the linky at the bottom of my sig :yepp:
ok thanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Where on this mass of topic :) is the latest or only version of the 803m for the P5Q-Deluxe? :|
Can the BIOS be flashed using the flasher @ bios level?
803m. It does away with that nasty CPU M-E but enhanced memory compatibility and OCing while supporting additional CPUs due to the custom P6 table.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasjeet
Check my first post. Its on there. All mBIOSes can be flashed the same way official ones can, through EZFlash, Windows or AFUDOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonsterDK
/shameless plug/ If folk can spare a few bucks click the linky at the bottom of my sig :yepp:
sorry man, i would really like to throw you some cash, but im 16, have no job and u know how it is loool. but thank you a lot, i think the P5Q deluxe has the spare bios chip so i can swap over if it messes up right?
also i will be able to flash back to official bios's in the future form a modded bios right?
thank you ever so much for your advice. i ahve to use 1.40vcore to get to 3.2Ghz from 3.1Ghz at 1.34v, and i think rams at fault even at 1:1 near as 800Mhz as possible. 3.40GHz needs 1.48vcore atm.
im going to flash the 803m mbios and see how it goes
BTW is it the last link on your fisrt post, or is it in the P5Q mBIOS pack?
It'll be the one saying 803m :up:
ok flashed, i just put my old OC settings in to see if im still stable
8X388 3.1GHz, Ram 777mhz 1:1 4-4-4-13, 1.35625vcore, 1.30v fsb term, 1.20v SB and NB, 1.80v ram.
ill run Blend Prime95 for 10 mins on a 5 minute round, then bump up my FSB to see the max for this amount of vcore. hopefully itll stay stable till 3.20ghz, that would be awesome.
*edit: i was stable at my normal OC, upping the FSB to 392X8 for 3.135ghz i recive a rounding error in 4 minutes. its always the same core, i think playing with GTL ref for cores 0 and 2 will help, but up or down is another question lol
however it failed on a large fft test of 1024 length. im going to run the 8k test as well now to make sure its vcore not the ram
flashed back to 703m and FSB stability has increased, but sacrificed 1100mhz stability on the 16FD3's :rofl:
Granted I am stuck to the 333 strap and without knowing RAM voltage it's like a shot in the dark unless I want to add a 5th set of Tracers to the dead hardware pile :p:
Thats the only downfall with 703m, memory compatibility isn't quite as good. Get some D9 GKX and you won't care about that though ;) GKX flys on 703m.
ok, small fft test is still running, therefore its a ram problem not vcore. i will loosen timings and try the default ram volts at 1.80v
*edit i was stable once i did the above so i went for 3.2ghz at 400X8 but somehow when i rebooted the bios corrupted. i resotred it from the backup and am now at 0610 i think lool.
the EZ flash is not in the bios, i think i have to do a key combination on boot up. i will flash back to your 0803M bios and see what happens next.
So, does the latest bios fix any of the FSB issues that some of the P5Q pro users have? I am using your 1104 BIOS that you posted at TPU, but I just now found this one.
This is the most updated thread. Nowhere near as many n00bs here either :p: What kind of FSB issues are you having JC?
:up: GKX flies, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/5885/evrm9.gif
You fantastic fanboy! GKX this, GKX that :p: Once my Pro comes back from RMA I'll have to maybe give 1307m another go.. 1300MHz would POST on 703m but not get much further :(
What voltage did you try?
I set 2.18v in BIOS but did no stability testing for 1300. I have a feeling it wouldn't be anywhere near stable until at least 2.3-ish anyway.
What would be the best ( or most stable ) bios out there for the P5Q-Pro so far? Or should I stick to the latest official asus release ( 1306 ) ?
Many thanks to Ket for his work :up: but that latest p5q pro bios is scary :P i'm glad i didn't try it
I'm running a Q9550 atm.
I was using 2.2v I think, so even if 1300 isn't stable 1250ish should be.
703m I had a lot of success with, 1307m might be worth a try as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenix
I dropped tRFC and tRD just to see if there was any hope and I was able to get them stable again at 550mhz. I'll have to see if I can tighten them up, but I'm happy none the less (tRFC 55, tRD 10)
Unfortunately, bandwidth at these settings is pretty sad
[IMG]http://www.overclock.net/gallery/data/500/band.jpg[/IMG]
I definitely spoke too soon, it's strange because for many days my machine was fine but then after reading that 1403M was having problems and particularly the thread recommending that it be pulled, it was shortly after that, that I noticed Voltage fluctuations (this was all from Asus Probe II) First warning was that my +3 was to high, next was that my CPU Voltage too low. This evening when I got home from work I was met with a dire warning from probe that my cpu temp was 113c!!:eek: needless to say I panicked and shut it down immediately.
(Now I wish I had looked a bit more carefully) Anyhow I flashed back to the stock 1402 for a minute just to get my bearings, my temps and voltages appear fine.
I'm not convinced it was the 1403m bios but it does seem likely. It's also possible I'm having mobo troubles :( time will tell I guess
The V2 1403m I pulled days ago, the first 1403m I done should be fine, you would be the first to say your having issues. As I said earlier in the thread though, once you find a good BIOS where everything plays nice and clocks well, theres no ned to upset it ;)
Here are a couple of presents,
1: http://rapidshare.com/files/15144936...-1406.rar.html
2: http://rapidshare.com/files/15145021...-1406.rar.html
I don't know what's up with these but, good luck :p: I asked him if it was in there still and he said yes. :shrug: Oh well give it a try those who dare.. lol.
Interesting... Are you gonna be the Tester? :D
Larry
No P5Q Pro? Bad Asus. Very very very bad Asus :shakes:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Lar
Lol, I know but, some one here will have big enough balls to give it a go. He sent me the P5Q E by accident lol. I am at work today so, I can't try it till I get home.
Want to make out you have a P5Q Pro you just purchased also exhibiting the same behaviour to see if you can get a beta 14xx BIOS out of him? :D
ah, its just for true motherboards :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Truehighroller Where did you pick those bioses? I Dont want be first to try, I have only one bios chip left atm :cool: (Going to order one new)
Like last time when 1402 REV2 came from ket, i was going to look at comments about it but well... My computer crashed just when i was opening this theard to see what DEE said about bios. After crash i flashed straight to that bios and... Doh one dead bios chip can tell the rest....
Lol, I should ask him for the other he might give it to me. He said he is going to do testing with my shiznit and this BIOS today so.. I figure if he using it it can't be that bad.
Edit: I asked him for it lets see if he gives it to me.
I have -2000Mbyte/s with DDR2 Corsair Dominator... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by whodie
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5...ememqc7.th.jpghttp://img159.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif
Which settings help your performance? 5-5-5-15 vs 5-5-5-18 difference is minimal...
Thank you
And for @ket:
Why you say that 803m are better for clocking? I read on many post that 130x/140x give a little gain of vcore... :confused:
Sorry for my eng :D
Well i stick whit 0803 for now, Dont want see that CPU MARGIN anymore :)Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
I visited downloads page for P5Q-Pro and I noticed something new in the "Bios History", it had 1406 listed there, says fix for prime95 crashing etc ( but there wasnt a download link for 1406 ).. I refreshed the page and saw that the "Bios history" has been reverted to the old version and 1406 got removed... What are asus cooking ?
As P5Q DLX doesnt support 533FSB (Pentium 805:mad:) officially, is there any change in this modded bios?
Quote:
Originally Posted by lenix
I had noticed this when I first started messing with P95 on my setup running 1102. I would never make it through testing with it but, with Lynpack "IBT" everything was fine so, I just stopped using P95. This is very interesting and I actually said at one point in a post that I didn't think it was working right and every one shunned me like I was crazy... Very interesting indeed.....
Going to try 1406 on my p5q-e right now. According to Asus 1406 fixes Prime95 errors w/ yorkfields.
edit: wow, so many posts while i wrote this!
The implication is "there's something weird about Prime95", but I find that any BIOS over 803 at stock settings will crash both Prime95 and IntelBurnTest in a matter of seconds/minutes. You can boost NB and DRAM voltage and get through a lot of runs of both programs so that you think things look stable, but in everyday use, you'll still get programs crashing and generally falling over all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
The same hardware at stock settings is rock solid with BIOS 803, and has no problems with Prime95 or IntelBurnTest, so I'd point the finger squarely at the BIOS rather than Prime95. After boosting the voltages, you can get through a lot of Prime95 and Linpack testing and have what looks like a superficially stable machine and still end up with a flaky and unstable machine that crashes all the time.
Right, that's what I meant the BIOS.. Sorry I wasn't mmore clear.
No P805 support with any mBIOS, its not possible.
803m is for P5Q Deluxe owners having issues booting Vista
All I can do is check the ftp links I have to try and find this 1406 P5Q Pro BIOS when I can get access to my HDD again.
Drop few comments about that when ur done!Quote:
Originally Posted by samsonJS
Until asus remove CPU M-E nobody will have a headachless experience.
Ohhh cmon ASUS. Give us P5Q PRO 14xx with Prime95 fix
I know right they are having issues with damn everything under the sun obviously because of it being there, and still they come out with new ones with it still implimented?????????
Well even monkeys needs something to do :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Asus really are dimwits. FFS just remove CPU M-E, forget all about it and fix everything else up. So basically.. scrap all BIOS versions apart from 70x for the P5Q Series, apply all the bug fixes but LEAVE OUT CPU M-E!
Compatibility mode don't fix anything?
Its 50/50. Generally what people agree on is if you start getting problems with a BIOS that has CPU M-E, go to a BIOS that doesn't have CPU M-E.
Please if anybody gets ahold of the new Bios being listed on Asus page for the P5Q-Pro, post it here :D maybe Ket will take a look at it too :)
I don't get what takes asus so long to do the Pro BIOS. All the P5Q boards are basically the same with a few minor differences. If I could, I would shove a firework up the arse of every asus BIOS dev worker.
They can come out with a BIOS for people that have PCs with CPUs in them and then the BIOS for people with PCs that don't have CPUs in them ,novel idea right..... :rofl::ROTF:
lol. Cleva asus :D /sarcasm.
1406 seems fine, but I haven't had big problems with any BIOS except 1306, which worked but was a lousy OCer. I guess I'm lucky all my hardware just works and CPU M-E doesn't bother me. I keep hoping for some better OCing capabilities w/ new BIOS versions but I haven't seen any improvements over m704. In fact, at stock speeds I get tighter timings on m704 than any other version which allows me to drop the PL to 5. Perhaps I should just stick w/ m704 and be happy things work for me. If it ain't broke...
I thought you would like that Ket. Guy with no issues and pl5, I would be happy with that.
The 7 series mBIOSes are very special IMO. They sacrafice very little for great stability and OCing abilities :up:
ED - check your post number true, lucky 7s! :D
Sure is lol. I didn't notice that there, maybe I should play the lottery. :p:. That would be nice right now a couple million dollars..The tech didn't email me back after that last email today. I bet he chewed them out like how could you guys screw this up again... :rofl:
lol. Give that tech my email and i'll school him about the products hes supposed to know about :p:
I just got back from hospital from burning my foot with boiling water and, it hurts. lol to say the least. I literally pulled off skin when I took off my sock... Let that be a lesson to you kids lol don't dump boiling water onto your foot :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Holly crap, 2nd and perhaps 3rd degree burns? I got some of those by playing with electricity once... not a good time. Get well bro.
I just saw the 1406 in the P5Q PRO BIOS history... Is it coming?
EDIT: LoL. Nevermind, got it. Just used an alternative server (dlcdnet.asus.com or dlsvr04.asus.com instead of dlsvr.asus.com) and renamed 1306.zip to 1406.zip ;)
ASUS maybe out of sync with its download servers but hey, nobody can keep a man's brain out of sync.
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/...S-PRO-1406.zip
Basically it refuses to post over 390 FSB. I can get my E5200 to 4.2GHZ with a 330 FSB and a 12.5X multi@ 1.55V, but I can't get it to post at 400x10 even up to 1.6V. Even up to 1.5V on the NB. I was having NB heat issues, but I have taken the NB heatsink off, scraped the goo they call TIM off and put arctic cremique on it and then I added a 20MM fan to it and my temps are more acceptable now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
I have tested this FSB issue with different chips and different ram, I get different results with each. I got an E6300 to 410 stable, an E1200 to 320, and an E2180 to 350.
Its the chip you are using. The E5200 isn't known for its FSB capabilities, and in fact, for an E5200 390FSB is pretty good.
Ket, did you take a look on the new PRO bios ? what do you think ? :P
I have the new Pro, -E and Deluxe BIOS but haven't looked at them yet. I'm running off the lappy right now, which as good as it is, things go slower not having my main system.
Well, whenever you get the time, leave some feedback :D
Not much seems to of changed for the 1406 P5Q Pro BIOS, memory table is larger, up to P5Q Premium 1401 standards, CPU M-E is still present :down: More than likely the fan control is still broken. You will notice when trying to use normal silent or turbo modes, you can select them but fan RPM never changes from silent mode speeds. Looking at the Deluxe BIOS the same story applys. Difference being memory compatibility seemingly surpasses that of the Premium 1401 BIOS. Asus just need to move their arse and release a Premium 1406 BIOS.
Okay, I took the jump and installed 1406 on my Deluxe. My machine is very sensitive to the CPU-ME problem, and will not pass even one Prime95 Merge. However, even at stock settings (just the DRAM upped to the recommended 2.2 v) and everything else set to auto, it just got through the first four tests without falling over. It never could do that on anything higher than 803 before.
I'll have to check over a period of time to see if things are generally unstable.
So my initial response based on a few minutes and a few Prime tests is that 1406 is a lot more stable than the previous 1xxx BIOSes, but I'll need more time to get some usage in before I can tell if the problem is resolved or not. 1406 is certainly not instantly and obviously broken like the previous few BIOSes.
Just passed some quick IntelBurnTest runs and some MySQL abuse. Could it... could it be fixed..? :shocked:
BTW, my CPU-ME is running at the default "optimized" setting, although my memory seems to be running at compatability mode 06. I think (but not one hundred percent sure now) that the other 1xxx BIOSes ran it at 05.
Pants-Of-Fire, please put your setup in your signature, it helps us understand your problems better when we know what CPU you're running, etc.
When you speak of "compatibility mode 6", what are you referring to? You mean Performance Level?
Done, but my problems appear to be fixed. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
Yes, that's correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee
My P5Q-Deluxe just ran through 30 IntelBurnTests at 2 gig of RAM settings, with everything at stock, and it gave no errors. It seems like 1406 does fix the instability problems with 45nm quads, and anyone else experiencing the same issues and stuck on the 803 BIOS should give the new BIOS a go.
Ah, great stuff. Glad your problems look like they're fixed. :up:
Higher RAM clocks usually require higher PL numbers. My CellShock needs to be at PL7 for anything up to DDR1160. After that, raising it to 8 helps stabilise.
*smug look* On 703m I could run PL6 @ 1216MHz, nana :p: :D
Not good! Spilled some scalding hot coffee from a damn dunkin yournuts a few years ago while driving and it went down my work shoe. Almost hit a car when that happened, whole ankle blister'd up. :( Take care of that and sorry to hear that.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Larry
Heck, I'm just glad right now that Asus have figured out how to update BIOSes without causing every program you run to crash and burn. I couldn't even consider any overclocking until I could get stable at stock speeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Having said that, I did try bumping down to PL5, and it was nasty. I could just about reboot to the BIOS (which wanted to recover itself off the backup because it kept insisting it was corrupt), and on the one occasion I got into Windows it bailed out as being unable to find pci.sys. :eek:
I ended up reflashing 1406 and it's okay again. My system really doesn't like lower PL levels than those chosen under "auto". It tries to hurt me when I go to PL5.
*even more smug look*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
I can run PL6 at 1302+ MHz :D
:p:
The fact Asus bioses corrupt themselves so easily when you push the PL too low or the ram too high is incredibly concerning, it happened perhaps 10 times on my P5Q-Deluxe before I RMA'd it. The issue was one of the issues I cited for my reason for RMA.
Thankfully my Maximus II Formula has not done it once.
You can adjust PL inside Windows using MemSet. Download, install, then decrease the PL number until Windows freezes, then reboot and set PL to the last number that worked before the freeze.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants-Of-Fire
How can I unlink my memory so the speed doesn't get increased while overclocking the cpu ?