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08-13-2008, 07:35 PM
twwen2

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

pfffff..on the 2nd mount already. I ain't gonna let the lose of some bodily fluids slow me down. :D

andyc

Tell us more! :stick:
08-13-2008, 07:47 PM
scottc19

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:rofl: :up:

i found the replacement to my MM.

Dont let R3 hear me say that tho.

If Gary can special order it. Its so mine.

Andy did you check out my lastest usless purchase? :rofl:

Does that mean a MM case will be for sale? :)
08-13-2008, 07:54 PM
hotdun

Check out the gallery...looks pretty nice....

LINK
08-14-2008, 12:14 AM
xTKxhom3r

ok thats enough off topic for now lol back to the gtz whats the deal!!!! is it any good ? yay or nay?

btw im looking for a upgrade from a apogee gt...
08-14-2008, 01:45 AM
BulldogPO

Gabe: Will there be LGA1366 mounting kit for old GTX block?
08-14-2008, 04:02 AM
Anemone

sigh...
08-14-2008, 06:59 AM
Bojamijams

How about a teaser??

Complete this sentency andy

Results so far look __________
08-14-2008, 07:00 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

on the third mount soon...two more to go

andyc

I was just thinking and I don't think we're going to get a "true" feeling of the capabilities of this waterblock until it's tested on a dual socket system..
HMM..I wonder who we could get to test that?? :rofl:
08-14-2008, 07:53 AM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

great, but that's a subjective term;) Objective results coming soon.

andyc

Keep the results under wraps untill you are fully done, no point telling too early since anything could happen.
08-14-2008, 07:58 AM
Bojamijams

Okay.. teaser requirement filled.. I'll just keep waiting now :D
08-14-2008, 08:01 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by majestik

If you're so confident in your top secret EK mods... would you mind, you know, posting them? :p:

Martin knows them.

he's gonna try. :up:
08-14-2008, 08:09 AM
scottc19

all the gtz are gonna be sold out by the time this gets done. lol :)
08-14-2008, 03:16 PM
xTKxhom3r

come on bro!!!!
08-14-2008, 03:40 PM
DementeD

plz do...im waitin for this so i can push "order" :D
08-14-2008, 03:46 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

send me the board, chips, mem, etc and I'll work it up on the bench:D These Dallas/Matrix temp probes just plain kick ass along with the Wintest SW and quick diconnects. I'm in testing Utopia right now.

andyc

My,my,my baby? Ship it to Virginia?
Are you daft man?
It could get lost and these cpu's don't even exist!:rofl:
08-14-2008, 03:57 PM
iowamoe300

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottc19

all the gtz are gonna be sold out by the time this gets done. lol :)

Just go ahead and buy one.. I did. Whats not to like? I trust what Gabe has said about it, works with 1/2 x 3/4 comp fittings, and its nice looking. The extra testing data is just a bonus and I am excited to see it, but I am more excited to get my gtz and put it in my loop!
08-14-2008, 04:57 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottc19

all the gtz are gonna be sold out by the time this gets done. lol :)

ummm... not really.

No one has released results, and it can go either way.
08-14-2008, 07:11 PM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

ummm... not really.

No one has released results, and it can go either way.

You mean "No One at XS" right?

Be :cool:
08-14-2008, 07:16 PM
nikhsub1

Got mine today, probably won't be able to start testing until monday... been at home with a sore back.
08-14-2008, 07:56 PM
JINU

hmm ill be getting one of these aswell hope it was worth buying.
08-14-2008, 08:24 PM
Kibbler

I'm curious about temp differences between different block orientations (i.e. clockwise 90deg, 180deg, 270deg), for the sake of better hose routing. I'm guessing only 1~2deg difference, if that??
08-14-2008, 09:12 PM
majestik

Any news about when LGA1366 bracket/plate/mount thingy will be released? I'm not buying a new block just to spend another $10 on shipping a bracket later on! :p:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

Martin knows them.
he's gonna try. :up:

Oh the suspense!
08-15-2008, 05:26 AM
lyl

Anyone looking to buy, PPCs has them for cheapest (right now at least)

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24230
08-15-2008, 05:34 AM
MomijiTMO

Hmm I so want one just because they look so awesome!
08-15-2008, 05:39 AM
lyl

Same... if only I could use it, I could justify buying one!
08-15-2008, 05:47 AM
MomijiTMO

Don't you want a Supreme? [or was it someone else lol]
08-15-2008, 05:55 AM
disruptfam

probably me...
08-15-2008, 06:10 AM
lyl

Yeah, I do want an EK. Im keeping my loop CPU only, so I figured the EK would best block for that... But ultimately, I'd probably notice a 1-2C difference, and its hard to fit (more) bling into my student budget :p:
08-15-2008, 06:13 AM
Phat Korean

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyl

.....and its hard to fit (more) bling into my student budget :p:

sell plasma, i did:D
08-15-2008, 06:19 AM
lyl

blood for bling? ill consider :)
08-15-2008, 06:19 AM
jayhall0315

Gabe,
I did not read all 30 pages of this thread but if it has not already been mentioned please dont forget to get this new design ready for the Bloomfield chipsets (which obviously has wider spacing than socket 775 chipsets). Maybe something like ~85% of all the guys who post here will be ditching their X38/48/780/790 chipsets come around October to December.

Thanks,
Jay
08-15-2008, 06:37 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayhall0315

Gabe,
I did not read all 30 pages of this thread but if it has not already been mentioned please dont forget to get this new design ready for the Bloomfield chipsets (which obviously has wider spacing than socket 775 chipsets). Maybe something like ~85% of all the guys who post here will be ditching their X38/48/780/790 chipsets come around October to December.

Thanks,
Jay

The surface of the WB will cover the core of the Nehalems with room to spare. You don't have to cover the entire IHS just the core but this looks like it willjust about cover all of a Nehalem..Just need a mount plate with different screw mount position to match the Nehalem.
08-15-2008, 06:44 AM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

You mean "No One at XS" right?

Be :cool:

:rofl: :up:

no public results yet!

better gabe?
08-15-2008, 06:50 AM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:rofl: :up:

no public results yet!

better gabe?

Watch out everyone, Naekuh is up and sounds like he's on his second double latte..:D
08-15-2008, 07:12 AM
Eternalightwith

Double shot?!?!

Hell, Quad shot latte... FTW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Movieman

Watch out everyone, Naekuh is up and sounds like he's on his second double latte..:D
08-15-2008, 07:45 AM
menace2society

Why do they make the AMD hold down plate so :smileysex:ing ugly :mad:
08-15-2008, 08:19 AM
gabe

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

:rofl: :up:

no public results yet!

better gabe?

Here is a secret site where a set of comparative results have already been published http://www.swiftech.com/products/apogee-gtz.asp but shhh... don't tell anyone, OK ;)

be :cool:
08-15-2008, 08:39 AM
edhead281

This has been an interesting thread. I agree with Gabe as far as in keeping Martin's, Andyc's and nikhsub1's testing to completely impartial we should donate to their and our cause. What they are doing is very valuable to us. Well I was able to give Martin a small donation. However I was unable to wait for the results so I went ahead and purchased anyhow. BTW I saw the price break at Performance PCS but I purchased from John at Jab-Tech, my favorite "Dealer". So I'm just anxiously waiting confirmation that I made the right decision. Heck it has to be better than the GTX I already have.
08-15-2008, 08:49 AM
dogchainx

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

Here is a secret site where a set of comparative results have already been published http://www.swiftech.com/products/apogee-gtz.asp but shhh... don't tell anyone, OK ;)

be :cool:

:cool:

But more reviews = the more excited I am about a product. I'm not sure if its the amount of photos of someone else's machine that has a better product installed in it versus mine, or just more internet coverage. One review = i don't buy it. 12 reviews saying "i must have this product" = i've bought the thing with overnight shipping for a ridiculous amount of cash. :up:

EDIT: Just look at my sig as proof.... ;-)
08-15-2008, 09:42 AM
nusihb

It seems this water block needs to be mounted in specific way (this is from the mounting instructions):
'The waterblock North-South axis should always be perpendicular to the socket locking lever.'

But if you have the motherboard in a BTX type case, 'up-side-down'?
Do you need to mount the water block 'up-side-down' as well?
08-15-2008, 09:44 AM
Pellepel

risk it and buy one =p
08-15-2008, 09:51 AM
hotdun

Quote:

Originally Posted by nusihb

But if you have the motherboard in a BTX type case, 'up-side-down'?
Do you need to mount the water block 'up-side-down' as well?

Rule of thumb is to have the output port topside to allow air bubbles to escape.
08-15-2008, 09:52 AM
lyl

Quote:

Originally Posted by nusihb

It seems this water block needs to be mounted in specific way (this is from the mounting instructions):
'The waterblock North-South axis should always be perpendicular to the socket locking lever.'

But if you have the motherboard in a BTX type case, 'up-side-down'?
Do you need to mount the water block 'up-side-down' as well?

I assume that you wouldn't flip the block (so the GTZ is still right side up).

The waterblock would not see the difference (think of it as just changing the layout of your board and the processor is at the bottom)
08-15-2008, 11:12 AM
G-UNIT91

@gabe: when the successor MCW60?:D:D:D
08-15-2008, 11:21 AM
DementeD

i bought it ..i hope its as good as swiftechs benches for the q6600
08-15-2008, 11:25 AM
faster3200

I just bought one of these from performance-pcs. I should be getting it on or around Monday. With all that we know so far I would say worst case scenario we get a block that performs within 1-2 degrees of the EK and is less restrictive.
08-15-2008, 11:30 AM
roofsniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-UNIT91

@gabe: when the successor MCW60?:D:D:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by gabe

Probably by end of next week beginning next.

im waiting for it to come out before i buy my wc system.
08-15-2008, 11:36 AM
Rapt0r

Hmm if this baby is also optimised for the new LGA1366 Nehalem cpus,that will be great.
08-15-2008, 11:39 AM
_G_

Ordered mine from petras, works out the same for me since I have to pay tax thru performance pcs

ps: I better get a pen! lol
08-15-2008, 11:51 AM
Eternalightwith

hmmm

I believe they are out end of next week. They replaced the original MW60 and this is
rev. 2 They are selling soon, as old stock rev. 1 is gone or almost.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=198501

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-UNIT91

@gabe: when the successor MCW60?:D:D:D
08-15-2008, 12:16 PM
roofsniper

he said they are shipping out now but they are not being sold yet.
08-15-2008, 02:46 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapt0r

Hmm if this baby is also optimised for the new LGA1366 Nehalem cpus,that will be great.

thats what im trying to find out.

:\

Martin my messurements please.
08-15-2008, 02:55 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

thats what im trying to find out.

:\

Martin my messurements please.

I'm still waiting on the UPS man, nothing yet...
08-15-2008, 03:33 PM
roofsniper

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

All,

Just got thru compiling my results. Gabe and Stephen at Swiftech are looking over them. Once they verify accuracy, I'll post the results. Thanks God this is over, I've had a blast, but I'm exhausted:) 18 hrs a day between full time job and 7 straight days of testing.

Stay tuned,

andyc

nice thanks for doing the testing. can't wait to see them.
08-15-2008, 03:51 PM
Xilikon

Cool, thank you for the testing :)
08-15-2008, 03:52 PM
Martinm210

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

All,

Just got thru compiling my results. Gabe and Stephen at Swiftech are looking over them. Once they verify accuracy, I'll post the results. Thanks God this is over, I've had a blast, but I'm exhausted:) 18 hrs a day between full time job and 7 straight days of testing.

Stay tuned,

andyc

:clap:

Awesome! Looking forward to the results!!:up:
08-15-2008, 03:56 PM
nikhsub1

Nice! But Andy, how can anyone verify accuracy besides you?
08-15-2008, 03:58 PM
Sadasius

Good stuff! Thanks for the testing. Now I will pull up a chair....Where's the popcorn?
08-15-2008, 04:05 PM
gillbot

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch

hummm your free WB is getting in the way of results?

as niksub1 said i echo that

I was wondering the same thing. If you have results, why would the vendor need to review them before they were posted. :shrug:
08-15-2008, 04:07 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch

hummm your free WB is getting in the way of results?

as niksub1 said i echo that

ECHO~

ECHO~

ECHO~

meaning i +2

Why would they need to validate anything Andy? You did 5 mounts. Used YOUR bed, and YOUR system.

How could they validate anything without standing over your sholder.

Thats like me asking martin to validate my EK Supreme tests when he hasnt even seen my injectors.
08-15-2008, 04:19 PM
NaeKuh

Andy... please, dont sugar coat anything.

Be honest with us.
If you see flaws, then let us know the flaws.
Speak freely.

You teling us you had to validate is not looking good for you right now.
08-15-2008, 04:33 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

If I say something it's honest. I make a 6 figure salery, and could get 100 blocks here tomorrow with a single click of the mouse, throw them in the trash, and it wouldn't effect my financial well being in the least. So I have no reason to miss represent something at all.

It's a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing hobby, it's not worth my integrity.

So if I'm not looking good to you right now, you can go take a flying leap off the nearest building. And please do so quickly.

andyc

I hope this wasnt directed at me.
08-15-2008, 04:34 PM
IanY

Excuse me, its only a forum, and its only a hobby. I wasn't going to chime in, but please just relax.

This is ONLY A WATER BLOCK. Not war and peace. Not life and death.

No need to fling such negativity.. both directions..
08-15-2008, 04:37 PM
Xilikon

Yes, chill off guys... I think that Andy wished to show the results to make sure it's not too different. I will just shut up and wait till numbers is posted.
08-15-2008, 04:39 PM
IanY

Let's all post our W2s online. Forget that.. how about the full 1040, including all schedules ?

How ridiculous does this have to get? Talking about income? How about investable assets and net worth as well ?
08-15-2008, 04:41 PM
majestik

Don't think we have those in canada!

But, feel free to give me your online banking information and i'll.. validate it for you!
08-15-2008, 04:41 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilikon

Yes, chill off guys...

was my comment at all directed with hostility?
08-15-2008, 04:44 PM
gillbot

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

If I say something it's honest. I make a 6 figure salery, and could get 100 blocks here tomorrow with a single click of the mouse, throw them in the trash, and it wouldn't effect my financial well being in the least. So I have no reason to miss represent something at all.

It's a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing hobby, it's not worth my integrity.

So if I'm not looking good to you right now, you can go take a flying leap off the nearest building. And please do so quickly.

andyc

This is the dumbest statement i've ever seen on this forum. I don't make 6 figures? I guess that further proves i'm not worthy of a GTZ? :rofl: :up:

My point is, the string on that block must be tight if you need to have them review your findings instead of just letting everyone know. I should just buy one and post an HONEST review myself, but since I don't make 6 figures I guess I can't afford to do so. :clap:
08-15-2008, 04:45 PM
IanY

Its A F0king $59 Water Block!!! {as per PPCs}
08-15-2008, 04:46 PM
Movieman

Thank you Ian..

To the others here, who I know and consider friends.
There's been some things said here that shouldn't have been.
Came across even to me who knows you as not exactly friendly.
Shall we say that this was said due to excitement over wanting to see results and bury this?
Some honest advice here:
Never,Never,Never write in anger. I've made that mistake a few times and lived to regret it.
Never let the little things in life such as a hobby get in the way of the more important things such as friendships.
It just isn't worth it and what are we talking about realistically?
If one waterblock runs at 1-2C hotter than another?
In day to day use what damned difference does it make unless your system is at the absolute limits of it's cooling and then realistically you should probably have a bigger radiator or add another or increase the fans cabability to whisk away that heat.
I'm not expert here, far from it, but losing friendships over this is just plain dumb.
Now I'm going to say this and hopefully the people involved don't get their panties in a bunch over it but there's two people here that I beleive owe Andy an apology.
He's too good a guy for the treatment he got here tonight.
08-15-2008, 04:47 PM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaeKuh

was my comment at all directed with hostility?

Maybe not but I said that to everyone... It's just a waterblock :rofl:

If gabe know that we want a independent review, he should not have strings attached when sending review samples ;) However, since we don't know what Andy, Martin and Scott agreed with them, we cannot comment about that :shrug:
08-15-2008, 04:51 PM
gillbot

I'm not with the norm here, to me 1-2°C isn't enough difference to pull my rig apart and buy a new $70 block. Hell, I am still running an apogee GT with a Dtek FuZion v1 still sitting in the box. Many of the reviews i've seen place the Apogee GT near the performance of the V1 FuZion so it just isn't worth it to me.
08-15-2008, 04:55 PM
IanY

I can see Naekuh meeting with his private bankers tomorrow to get a second lien mortgage on his Beverly Hills home to order about 100,000 of those GTZ blocks hahaha
08-15-2008, 04:58 PM
NaeKuh

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanY

I can see Naekuh meeting with his private bankers tomorrow to get a second lien mortgage on his Beverly Hills home to order about 100,000 of those GTZ blocks hahaha

i live next door to you.

whatcho talking about? :rofl:
08-15-2008, 05:01 PM
Xilikon

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcoffey

They are checking my sheet that I used to compile the results for any errors. Or to check for abnormalities. It's a common courtesy and practice. It's the first block or any piece of gear that I didn't pay for out of pocket that I've tested. So I have 0 tolerance for any implication that I would some "sugar coat" or miss represent something just because I received a smaple, ot tested a prototype.

I'll put it to you another way. Gabe at Swiftech cares about the results and how it competes against the EK and D-TEK. I'm sure Danny at D-TEK and Eddie at EK do, but I could care less either way. I have no vested interest in how the block or any other one performs. I only have a vested interest in the way I test, and the acurate posting of those results. Which I've done each and everytime to the best of my ability.

There's already been several references to someone, somehow cooking the numbers or giving less than acurate information. It's uncalled for, period. So yeah, I get pretty pissed one someone points something like that my way, andI have a right to get pissed.

I'll say it one more time. It's a hobby, there's no motive to treat it otherwise.

andyc

Thanks, that's precisely what I thought about your motives and I would have done the same as courtesy.

Guys, let's think for a second : Everyone know Andy did the testing so if Gabe say the results cannot be posted, everyone will know it's fishy and just with that, Swiftech will lose the sales for sure due to the attempt to witthold the results.
08-15-2008, 05:03 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by gillbot

I'm not with the norm here, to me 1-2°C isn't enough difference to pull my rig apart and buy a new $70 block. Hell, I am still running an apogee GT with a Dtek FuZion v1 still sitting in the box. Many of the reviews i've seen place the Apogee GT near the performance of the V1 FuZion so it just isn't worth it to me.

A voice of reason..^^
I have two apogeeGt's on my dual clover.
Dropped the temps on those B1's from high 70's to 51C at load.
That to me is what a WC system should do.
Take unsafe temps and make them into safe ones.
Whether changing to another WB that is oneC cooler or hotter doesn't change this by one iota..
The testing to me is just to see if a certain block performs in the same temp range as the others out there.
If Gabe's unit runs 4-5C higher or lower than the rest THEN there's something to dicuss but not if it's within 1-2C of the rest either way.
From there it's looks and company preferance that decides not 1C of difference in observed temps.
08-15-2008, 05:05 PM
IanY

Gabe, I cannot tell you what to do, but if I were you, if RCHN were my company, I wouldn't hand out blocks to anybody anywhere for any reason. You should control info about your own product and ensure the integrity of information. Your product's capabilities should speak for itself, not some third party on some hobbyist forum. Look at the resulting nonsense. Just a kind suggestion, with full respect to you.
08-15-2008, 05:08 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch

you're correct

I'm sorry if offended with my comments, I'll be quite for the flame wars early in this posting will rise.

Thank you very much..:up:
08-15-2008, 05:14 PM
MomijiTMO

Hilarious. Take a step back and see look at the slurs in this thread. It was over reviews being biased first then it progressed on to manipulated test results. I mean com'on =S.

PS : I want a 6 figure salary =( Can I have one please lol
08-15-2008, 05:17 PM
RickCain

Man I got a full truck load of popcorn out front waiting for results. :yepp:
08-15-2008, 05:18 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

Hilarious. Take a step back and see look at the slurs in this thread. It was over reviews being biased first then it progressed on to manipulated test results. I mean com'on =S.

PS : I want a 6 figure salary =( Can I have one please lol

I have yet to see any proof of any review being biased.
I recently reviewed a motherboard and I sent the review in to that company before posting for two reasons: courtesy and to make sure I didn't have a spec wrong..
No bias at all, just covering my backside to make sure all the facts were right.
Yes, I would also like a 6 figure salary,5 would also work at this stage..:D

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