Oh, two things I forgot to mention:
1) thanks in advance for the help
2) Asus has a mention of a BIOS 0401 on the site in reference to the QX9775, though the link is to the old 0302. Does anyone have the new BIOS ROM yet?
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Oh, two things I forgot to mention:
1) thanks in advance for the help
2) Asus has a mention of a BIOS 0401 on the site in reference to the QX9775, though the link is to the old 0302. Does anyone have the new BIOS ROM yet?
Did you purchase all ur parts from newegg? if you did, can you link me exactly which processors you bought?Quote:
Originally Posted by ulvac
when i had my board with NO CPU and NO RAM installed, it was giving me FF, but that is expected. there is no ram or cpu O_O.
I loaded up the cpu and the ram and it all worked fine :\ i don't know what problem you could have, but i do remember someone using some odd pair of Xeons and it posted FF on the ASUS Z7S.
Install only 1 stick of ram in 00. Install only 1 cpu in top socket. Check motherboard mounting screws, you should only have 7 studs behind the board (2 located behind cpu's should not be there they will cause a short to ground especially if you did not install the plastic liner between the board and CEP clips).
Unplug PSU, pull CMOS battery, hold down power button for 5-10 seconds. Plug in PSU, put CMOS battery back in, try to power on. Wait 20 seconds then press reset if nothing happened. If your board goes past FF but does not make it fully through the POST sequence into the bios or stops at the full screen logo or the screen showing CPU's before you can enter the bios then scream and yell at Asus for their poor bios... get your bios chip flashed by someone or asus and try again or locate a cheap 5000 series Xeon to use for flashing.
Welcome and thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ulvac
Nice parts you got there, especially like the SSDs.
Now on to the problem... like STEvil said, try 1 stick of mem in the slot closest to the NB.
What PSU are you using? Like it says in post #1, you need to connect both the 8pin 12V and the 4pin 12V to the mobo or it won't start with 2 CPUs present.
Hey jcool, no potential mobo problems by using a p4 12V 4pin from molex right?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
If i got a pci-e 6pin to 12V 4pin adaptor, would that be a same thing? or no?
i see a lot of ATX 4pin 12V and p4 4pin 12V. Not sure if there is a difference though O_o.
Ahh, it's so nice to have a little sleep to clear the mind.
OK, to milkmandan: the processors were from eWiz (NewBiiz), Intel PN BX80574E5430A. I did read the Newegg review mentioning the FF code using E5420's. Oddly, the E5430's I'm using aren't on the Asus Z7S supported CPU list (calculated gamble since jcool's E5420's aren't listed either), but they do have two listings for the E5440; I'm hoping one of them is a typo for the E5430. :rolleyes:
To STEvil: you and I are on the same page for troubleshooting steps, though I hadn't thought about the plastic liner for the heatsink clips. The clips I have came with a thick layer of Kapton tape on the spring tabs, on the side contacting the mobo, so I didn't think to much about using the pad. I'll take a look at that to ensure I didn't rub through the solder mask.
Jcool, the man: the power supply is the one that came with the case. It's Antec's funky dual Neo Power solution, wherein they have a 650W supply for the mobo and video cards, then a separate 550W supply for the accessories. It's a proper EPS supply with the 8-pin and 4-pin 12V mobo connections, so there shouldn't be any issues there. I have access to a PCP&C Silencer 750 in case there are problems with this configuration.
So, did anyone else see that mention of the 0401 bios for the QX9775 on the CPU compatibility page? Or did I miss the post saying it was bogus?
Thanks again guys.
No, I didn't see a 0401 bios mentioned anywhere, but they should make a fix since Vcore adjustment with the QX9775 doesn't work properly, as we know thanks to giorioprimo. Also AHCI/Raid doesn't seem to work properly for some people, especially when more than 4 drives are installed. Again, I don't know about that, I only got one DVD running in IDE mode... leave the Raid to a real controller ;)
Well, back to your problem. I don't see how you could solve this without trying to swap hardware, piece by piece. Try another PSU, one stick of mem, a PCI video card, only one CPU, and finally another S771 CPU.
If all that fails, you should consider the possibility of a dead motherboard and rma :/
On a sidenote, I just finished operation "get rid of :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing stupid aircoolers" - my 5420's are watered at last. Pics later or maybe tomorrow.. I'm kinda tired right now.
Nooo! We want pics immediately! Haha j/k :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
anyways i am interested in seeing how you did your set and your water blocks :) did you use EK as well ?:up:
we should compare temps now .whahahaa
just found this on youtube. finally someone with a asus z7s build.
It might be someone here!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7ZbdMSNtjc
watch it
- how the hell did he mount the EK Surpremes using that backplate? I could not get any screw through those holes ! (oh wait, my bad, his mobo tray had standoffs, no wonder) I didn't have standoffs, cek clip is the only way to go for me.
- HR-05/IFX with copperbase? Isn't that just KILLING the thermal transfer? IHS --> Thermal paste --> Copper base --> thermal paste --> HR-05/IFX. At least he mounted it the same way I did using J-hook clip, wonder where he got that base.
- His temps are kinda high O_O, i hope those are his temps after a short load. 47C idle in BIOS on watercooling?
good to know he also had to shave off his ek supreme's ;)
he says something about "non-sync"?
Since CBGPCS results to be a scammer, i send a mail to my contact talking about the issue i got with the board, i don't wanna promise anything, but i hope to have soon some good response ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
What do you mean, he's a scammer?Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgioprimo
I almost figured as much, the whole "call us" kind of thing looked a bit fishy in the first place. Wanted money for the bios or what?
Anyway, here are some pics for you guys. Should have cleaned the EKs though...
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1065.JPG
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1067.JPG
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1068.JPG
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1070.JPG
http://database.he-computer.de/Bilde...r/CIMG1074.JPG
Ok, wierd set of symptoms for what turned out to be a power supply issue. After swapping around the CPU's and memory, double checking the heatsink clips weren't shorting the board, re-seating all the connections, and removing all non-essential components, changing the power supply fixed the problem. My (false) assumption was that if the supply goes bad, the CPU fans wouldn't run and I wouldn't get any response from pressing the power button. I guess that's not true. During the course of this, I've learned a couple of things:
1) I personally have about a 1 in three chance of having an Antec power supply fail (I've used 10 in the past 6 years and three have died prematurely).
2) That black plastic gasket looking thingy that came with the Z7S is actually a template to properly locate the heatsink plates in an ATX chassis. (The small holes slip over the standard ATX mounting standoffs, and the cutouts are perfectly placed and sized for the plates.) No more figuring out to mount the board with the plates pre-attached! (I'm hoping I didn't miss that info from a previous post. :shrug: )
3) Asus at least has the wisdom to ship new mobo's with the latest bios (mine came with 0302)
4) The stock Intel heatsink / fan combo is FRIGGIN LOUD!!!! :shocked: My 12 year old POS vacuum is quieter than the two of these at full tilt. My wife won't let me bring this rig in from the garage until they are replaced with something quiet. That's what you call a justifiable expense. ;)
5) A failed or failing power supply will frequently create the most frustrating and confounding troubleshooting.
On to happier subjects. Here is the link mentioning the 0401 bios:
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...model=Z7S%20WS
Like I said before, the 0401 link just leads to the 0302 listing, but someone with a reliable contact at Asus ( :rofl: ) could call them and get an ETA.
Thanks for listening and posting. I'm off to battle the SSD's. Rumor has it I'm in for some pain with these.
Nice plumbing jcool! I like the clear tops...
Thanks!
Glad you got your rig working, somehow I knew it might be the PSU.. that's why I asked whether all the connectors were in place (my board also went directly to FF when I forgot to plug in the 4pin 12V)
Temps are very good it seems, after 10 minutes of prime smallFFT I got 46/45/49/49 realtemp on CPU #1 and around 5C higher on CPU #2, which seems to be the price to pay for the in-line tubing. No idea about water temp but I assume it's rather low, 26-28C at 24 ambient maybe (360 + 120 rad pretty much for CPUs only).
Still great overall improvement, considering the CPUs are overclocked. And now I can swap CPUs or re-seat the heatsink in like 30 seconds :cool: :up:
Oh yeah, the stock fans. Mine are rated for 1,1A at 12V... small wonder it's loud one of those draws more power than all my 120mm fans put together (including pump probably :ROTF: )
Good to hear you got it working!Quote:
Originally Posted by ulvac
But yes you did miss that black plastic gasket info ;) i posted about it in one of my posts.
jcool: i see you used the clips as well :) Btw how much are they bending? my CEK Clips are bending a little/moderate amount, but at least my mobo is straight.
I used clips + backplates, no bending at all.
EDIT - HR-01X's with a 120mm fan on each.
So I've FINALLY crawled out of the ashes of a busted PSU and I have my ASUS Z7S up and running again.
Now couple questions.
1. I used ORTHOS Beta to stress test my RAM and cpu, this program only puts 2 of my cores under load on 1 CPU O_O. Anyways, how do i get it to stress all 8 of my cores?
The Coretemp values go up to 59-61C. Is that high? I am overclocked at 3Ghz, 375 clock speed. I tried 400, but windows crashed (blue screen of death), it may not be stable, i haven't tried since the first time.
2. I can't seem to get realtemp working on Windows Ultimate 64bit. It says driver not loaded? Anyone got an idea or a suggestion? :\
Disregard my #2, I got real temp working. :) Stupid me.. 40-41C idle cpu temps
3. CPU-Z reflects like the wrong information about my CPU speeds. lol It says my multiplier is 6. When in the BIOS it is set to 8. Am I doing something wrong, or is the program just retarded? Coretemp and ORTHOS all read my CPU speed correctly :\
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HOLY COW.... O_O
under 100% CPU LOAD on ALL 8 cores for 10+min, 47C highest realtemp i get O_O (nothing even passed 50C)... cinebench10 in 40 seconds. not as fast as jcool obviously, since i am only clocked at 375x8. but this is still DAMN good.
Disable C1E and Intel Speedstep technology in the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
jcool;
Nice looking rig!:up:
One day I'm gonna have to make a sticky or something about these questions, as they keep coming up :D
Use prime95 to test all cores. SmallFFT test is for testing the CPUs only, blend will test mobo and mem too (or some of the mem, it won't use more than ~1,8GB unfortunately, but that's what memtest is for anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
No, temps are fine. Coretemp still assumes the wrong tjunction for all 45nm CPus, meaning that it constantly shows too high temps. You can substract around 10C from coretemp (and Everest) core readings, so you are running around 50C which is great.Quote:
The Coretemp values go up to 59-61C. Is that high? I am overclocked at 3Ghz, 375 clock speed. I tried 400, but windows crashed (blue screen of death), it may not be stable, i haven't tried since the first time.
This is due to the EIST/C1E feature clocking down the CPUs in idle. If you open CPU-Z while running prime, BOINC or Cinebench, you'll see the full 3Ghz.Quote:
3. CPU-Z reflects like the wrong information about my CPU speeds. lol It says my multiplier is 6. When in the BIOS it is set to 8. Am I doing something wrong, or is the program just retarded? Coretemp and ORTHOS all read my CPU speed correctly :\
About your OC: What CPUs and mem are you running again? Try max FSB with 6x multiplier, that way you can rule out what's limiting you one by one. The mobo doesn't need more juice till >430 FSB, so you can leave the MCH voltage. It's either your mem crapping out (--> more volts), or the CPUs can't handle the FSB (unlikely), or the CPUs need more Vcore.
Using the 6x multiplier will help you clear that up.
@Dave Thanks :D
Though I really need to start cleaning my rigs before taking pictures :rolleyes: :shakes:
Maybe :) like a comprehensive sticky devoted to this board, whahaha. :) i could helpQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I am running Intel Xeon E5430 2.66Ghz, and Crucial DDR2-800 FB-DIMM. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I'll get back to you when i lower the multiplier and max my FSB.
Ok so it's down to the CPU's I'm afraid. They need more Vcore or more VTT. Now if it's Vcore they're craving (if you can run 400x6 then it's Vcore), you can do something about it by performing a Vid pin mod (so your CPUs will have a higher default Vcore). It's rather tricky but it can be done.
If you don't get your FSB any higher you're pretty much screwed, as there is no possibility to adjust the VTT on the Z7S as of yet (unless you put in QX9775 CPUs).
Hmm as awesome as it is...Prime95 crashes for me, I get bluescreen of death after a few mins into the test. I did SmallFFT, that didn't crash as far as I know, but i only ran it like 4-5 min. Strange thing is, while testing, only 7 of 8 cores were being used. 1 core didn't work or some thing O_O.
Large FFT, crashed after 2 mins or even less. But all cores were working.
Blend, crashed after 2 mins or less, and 1 core stopped working in the middle.
I hope this isn't a major issue, whahahaa...
Dang, if large and blend are crashing, it's either the CPUs having trouble with the FSB, the motherboard (unlikely below 400) or the mems being faulty/crapping out.
Try running prime large or blend with slightly lower FSB and run memtest+.
What do you mean, only 7 cores are running? Taskmanager must show 100% load on all cores when running prime.
When Prime boots up, it opens up a window for every core in my compy. Working thread... So a total of 8 windows. 1 of 8 says hardware failure and stops running while the other 7 keep running. The error message i get is "Round was 0.5, expected less than 0.4"Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I returned my clock speeds back to the normal 2.66Ghz with 333 clock and prime acted perfectly :\ No errors in anything, Large, Blend, SmallFFt, all worked perfectly no issues. :\
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okay back after some testing.
i get bluescreen even before windows boots when i do 400 clock at 6 multiplier :\ (2.4Ghz) So its even slower than cpu.. i am guessing i have a RAM issue.
i get bluescreen during cinebench10 when i run clock at 390 at 8 multiplier, 3.12Ghz, :\ at least i boot up, but when i run a benchmark, it bluescreens.
this is a RAM problem huh? not fast enough or is it overheating? odd that the rams were rated for DDR2-800 :\
You have a good fan on the ram, right? And airflow for the northbridge too? They both get incredibly hot.
Yup I have the OCZ Memory cooler right over the RAM, and I have the thermalright hr-05/ifx for NB, both are nice and cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
If you are getting errors in prime SmallFFT immediately, your Vcore is too low for that clockspeed. :(
Seems like the CPUs you got aren't very good, just like my E5440 were a great disappointment.
If you open up CPU-Z, what revision does it show? Should show something like C0 or C1, if it's B something you have your answer, B step Harpers suck (in my experience anyway) :(
My is Revision C0 O_oQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
The core voltage is 0.080V
So this is a CPU problem not a ram problem?
Well either way this compy is still blazing fast O_O @ 3.0Ghz.
Heck i could even go back to 2.66Ghz :\ cinebench only went up by 4 seconds when i benched at 2.66. really dont think that 4 seconds is going to make my life phenomenally better anyways ;)
creating the build log as i write this.. might take a few days as i want to be detailed
Core voltage is a little on the low sideQuote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
just kidding , cpuZ reads it all wrong :D
Hum, if your CPUs are C0 (like mine) they should at least do FSB 400... strange.
You are right of course, these things are fast even at stock speeds. And 4s don't matter, but what does matter is the WCG performance. And there, every Mhz helps - that's why I keep pushing ;)
You might wanna try FSB400 with 6x mult again (remember to disable EIST and C1E under CPU features for this) and run memtest from CD or USB stick. That way you'll see if it's the ram crapping out.
memtest from CD/USB stick? you mean prime?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
and i dont see EIST in the CPU config menu O_o
Dan,Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
Jcool is talking about memtest86. look over here : http://www.memtest86.com/
argh the toils of having to boot from CD :(Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
gna need to reconnect the IDE drive, which i really don't wanna do haha..
tried 385 x 6 and with x 8 and it failed during a cinebench run.
tried 380 x 6 and with x 8 and it ran fine.
i'll try memtest when i reconnect my IDE drive.
can't seem to get memtest on my usb stick.
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it could be i got some DDR2-667 ram? maybe newegg was wrong or Cruicial lied about that DDR2-800 speed :)
should I be worried that prime95 crashes when i run it at 375 x 8? Cinebench10 is fine :\ On normal use, will i run into problems?
When your system is not prime stable , you can experience all sorts of instability. Random reboots , lockups , games crashing , WCG errors , etc...
I wouldn't recommend it . Not primestable = failed overclock in my book .
I think jcool will agree with me :)
Any recommendations for fix?
or other BIOS settings i should be aware of?
I still can't find EIST in the BIOS :\
been using the 64bit version of prime95 as well.
EIST is called 'Intel speedstep technology' in the bios.
just above 'clockgenerator'
EIST stands for 'enhanced intel speedstep technology'
You could try to raise the NB voltage and/or FBdimm voltage.
(jcool is running stock voltages , I use 1.35v NB and 1.86v FBdimm , ymmv)
Ahhh the speedstep, i turned that off a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
what does tweaking these voltages do?
I tried it, and not my prime doesn't CRASH anymore, but one of the workerthreads just doesn't work :\, after some odd 30 seconds of running prime, it says 'error: rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4' and it stops, all the other cores, just keep pumping, no problems. :\ OC at 375 right now.
If prime smallFFT fails at FSB 375 on Core 0, then that core can't handle the Mhz (that error you describe is typical for too low Vcore). Back down to 370 or something and try again.
Running a system on WCG that fails prime that fast (even if it's only 1 core) is not advisable, since it can errors of all kinds (like Jaco said).
I'm still not clear as to what fails in your rig. Just follow the testing instructions I gave you and you'll know exactly what's holding you back.
I would try memtest first , I suspect something's wrong with the ram.
Or maybe you need more NB voltage , but I guess you tried that already.
Running memtest now....30% done, no problems so far. I am hoping RAM will pass 100%
if thats the case, I might just be unlucky with some CPUs that aren't that overclockable...
NB voltage? guess i should play around with the voltages more?
What about the dual adjustment one?
tweaking SB voltage has no effect right?
Don't forget to let it do a few runs through. Just one pass won't pick up deep heat related issues.
a few runs? this test as already ran for 2.4 hours O_o and its still going...Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
the total completion is now at 80% still no errors
You'll see a %age completion. Once that hits 100% it starts again from the beginning but it indexes a total number of "passes".
I had a RAM problem on one machine a while ago. It would boot and SEEMED to run just fine, but it would frapp out WCG jobs randomly. I had to let it Memtest run through 8 complete passes before I could pinpoint the problem. One module had "issues" but only once it warmed up enough.
Of course the modules warmed up much faster running CPUburn, but then I couldn't tell if it was a CPU, northbridge or RAM issue.
If you want to know this thing is 24/7 stable, you should at least consider just leaving it running memtest overnight or longer.
will memtest tell me exactly which module is problematic? or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
each pass is taking like 4 hours O_O is that how long urs was?
How long each pass takes will vary depending on how fast you're running your RAM and of course how much you have. My machine was somewhat smaller than yours is, so it only took about an hour for a pass.
As for reporting, it will tell you what test the error happened on, what memory address is happened at (in hex) what it was supposed to read and what it DID read. Since I don't speak hex that well I just pulled modules till I found the culprit, but if you're running in single channel mode, higher addresses tend to be on the second (or later) sticks. In dual channel I don't know. In quad channel, I hate you for having hardware that fancy :p: and I REALLY have no idea.
well #1 pass went through successfully with no issues (took 3 hours), i'll leave it running and see if anything else comes up
i am running this at 400FSB with 6 multiplier. :\
no issues so far.
leaning on the fact that maybe it is not a RAM issue, any suggestions I can do at this point? More voltage to the NB? over the Dual Adjustment? vice versa?
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I read up on some other forums, with my problem with one core crapping out and reporting in prime95 "Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4" they say not enough voltage to the cpu :\ besides a volt mod, will adding voltage to NB, Dual Adjustment, help at all?
Put your fingers on the ram heatspreaders.. if you cant hold them there then they're running too hot. I suspect this is part of the issue because that OCZ cooler is rather small and pitiful iirc...
I can place and hold my fingers on the heat-spreaders just fine and hold them as long as i need. Not even as hot as a car steering wheel on a baking day. I got some good airflow down there as I have a 120mm fan next to the RAM as well. and I have 2 more 120mm fans blowing at the OCZ cooler as well. Though aren't FB-DImms suppose to run hot? :\Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
OCZ works fine for me :\ It's better than the dominator in my opinion.
If ram heat is the issue, i prolly should purchase some heatsinks like jcool. but not until i find out what the problem is.
2nd pass for memtest, 70% done and no problems so far :\
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aww now this is messed up...
I am underclocking, 2.25GHz, at 375FSBx 6. And prime is giving me that stupid rounding error again.
I've even fed the NB 1.40V, which is the highest setting O_O...
I am unstable even at underclocking. wow....
memtest ran perfectly at 400x6 :\ 3 complete passes, 6 hours of testing, no errors :( *sigh*
I am getting a strong itch that maybe although my RAM is 'okay', the speed clock is lying, and that its not really 800 but 667.
the BIOS - system information - memory information shows my RAM at 667Mhz, but i duno if thats because of the E5430 :\
what does ur say jcool? I know you got E5420's, so theoretically, ur BIOS should also report your RAM as 667. :\
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any more suggestions?
at stock voltages....going to slowly step up from 333 and see when prime starts to crap out on me.
375 x 6 gives the same errors as 375 with max mult? Ok then, it's probably VTT. Even though it shouldn't be at that kind of FSB with C0 chips...
Maybe (just maybe) your prime version is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up? You said you are using 64bit prime.. don't. Use the normal 32bit V25.5 or 25.6 and retest.
If the problem persists, you will need to run FSB 370 at max multiplier to remain stable :(
Oh dont? whoops..i've been running 64bit prime all this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by jcool
370 x 8 with 64bit prime gives me 1 error 26 mins in :\ guess its not 100% stable
lemme try 32bit prime and get back to you, :\
how long should i be running prime95, before the system is deemed 'stable'?
JCool ... is there a bug in the 64bit version? Shouldn't it be the appropriate one to use on a 64bit OS? Does your chewing gum lose it's flavour on the bedpost overnight? No seriously, is there a problem with the 64bit version?
well 32bit prime just ran 360x8 multi 8+ hours with 0 fails/errors/crashes. time to start going back up.
maybe it was the version :\
This is the way I look at stability....Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
If it is stable for all the tasks, games, folding, whatever YOU do, it's stable. I only run orthos or prime for 15-20 minutes, it gives me a good idea if my clocks are stable, then I run BOINC & if it can handle that 24/7, it's good for me.
15-20 min? i had a core crap out on me like 40+ some odd minutes into the test :\ wouldn't that be considered unstable?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Hicks121
Don't really care about priming at all...
If pc is stable only for 2hrs then i just lower the clocks, if 20hrs i don't really mind to do anything to clocks :D
Some time ago I tried the 64bit prime versions, but they triggered all kinds of odd behaviour on my machines (all running on XP x64), and since some other people also reported problems with 64bit prime I just went back to the normal 32bit versions, which work fine on any rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by D_A
As far as I know 64bit prime has no advantages over the 32bit version anyway.
I know some of you guys don't care about prime, and I don't run prime for longer than 2-3 hours on my mainrig either. But when I'm talking about my server then it needs to be stable no matter what. It's running 24/7 for weeks or months without reboot, and I don't want any uncertainties there.
Also prime errors usually tell you what part is crapping out, so you can focus specifically on that failing part.
My system has been up at 390FSB for 2+ months now and it seems very stable 24-7, I could have gotten better vid cards in retrospect, but I still can later.
This build is the very best in afforability for pure power, till next year at least when the 8 cores come out, then we'll be talking about dual 8's in a few years, lol, till then jcool's machine rules the affordable heap of PCs out there who dare to push the envelope of crunching power.
I almost hate working on my other Pc's they are WAY too slow now. :)
ZIO
Alrighty so my limit for overclocking is around the 365-369 range (around 2.9Ghz). 370 has issues still after 10-20 min. though i am running a little slower than expected, i guess this the best i can do. prime is very stable in this range :\Quote:
Originally Posted by ZIO
I am sure my RAM can handle it, it probably is a little on the hot side, but no time/money to get some heatsinks for it.
tried a few voltage combos, none of them seemed to help at all :\ if VTT is the problem here, increasing just NB voltage wont help right?
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ordered my 4870 x2, should be here tomorrow, hopefully i'll have some benchies for those then.
if only asus made a bios that had as many OC settings as the Intel Skulltrail, then i would be one happy camper...
You tested temps after being loaded for an hour or so, right? At idle the fb-dimm's arent so bad but when loaded they heat up. No they are not supposed to run hot, they just do because they are consuming way more power than an average stick of DDR2.Quote:
Originally Posted by milkmandan
Yes, after 1-2 hours of prime, i put my hand on the ram, its cooler than my SB heatsink O_O....its a little on the higher warm side, but its not burning or anything extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
the SB gets hot...
Is there a program i can use to monitor RAM temps? kinda like Realtemp or Coretemp?
That would depend on whether the modules even HAVE temp sensors of some sort built in and if the board can read them.
... but I'm breaking in my system with prime and memtest myself right now. One quick question to the crowd. Which version of memtest is everyone using? I've used one from memtest.org and one from memtest86.com. The .org version has a more recent version (Feb '08 vs. Dec '07), and recognizes the correct chipset and CPU series, but misreports the memory and CPU clock speeds. The one from .com is way off in everything (2.8GHz Pentium III?!). Is there another version out there that's more up to date and/or accurate?
So far, I have 400MHz FSB with 7.5 multiplier and all stock coolers. It's rock solid with prime95 on small FFT for 8 hours overnight in a hot garage (28-32°C). Worst-case temp was 72°C on core 0 (per speedfan), with others reporting between 65-70°C. I'll post a pic of the report tomorrow.
Next stop, some real cooling.
I use memtest86+, the latest version.
Wow ur lucky that you are having rock solid prime results. I have watercooling and I'd be happy just to boot with 400FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ulvac
I used memtest86...
I just did 368 FSB with 8 multiplier and Core #8 failed with that stupid rounding error after 3 HOURS of prime. (all my rounding errors are on Core #7 or #8, never any other core)
I can't even boot windows with 400FSB
I am doing blend test, and Core #8 only gets rounding error after 3 hours of testing.
Going to run superpi at 32M and see if that fails me :\
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I heard that cpus even at stock speed will eventually fail at prime.
Maybe i am going over my head for this stability issue and I should just clock it back up to 370+ and run it, i mean, windows boots fine :\....
several other people have the same issues as me, prime fails early and they seem to be okay for day to day use.
Yes they are ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
In most server environments FBDimms run at 80-90C on end, which is no problem at all theoretically. They'll just start throttling at some point, which is something I didn't want to risk, hence the improved cooling. But they don't die at that kind of temps.
Every FBDimm has an AMB chip, whose temp can be monitored through the bios (for each stick individually on the Z7S). Mine range from 42 to 52 idle - load.Quote:
Originally Posted by "DA
As for memtest, I also use memtest+ 2.01. It's faster than the old memtest especially with large amounts of mem.
Milkmandan, seems like you really got some crappy CPUs, I'm sorry m8 :(
Anyway, I think you can stop priming now and start crunching. If you wanna give it a go, let it run at 370 and keep a close watch.. if the machine can run 24/7 and produces no errors in WUs I would keep it at that. If you encounter any problems, back down to 365 which should be 100% stable.
The reason why 370 might be working for you is that BOINC doesn't drain as much power as prime, meaning the vdroop is 0,01V lower (in other words, while running BOINC, Vcore and VTT are usually 0,01V higher than when running prime, at least for me).
Oh and don't worry about the SB temp, mine gets flaming hot, too :shrug:
By the way.. CPUs won't fail prime at stock speeds, or truly stable overclocks. I once forgot that I had prime running on one machine and checked back after 10 days or so... it was still running :rofl:
alrighty, i'll give WCG a run
and horray ?
super pi 32M ran successfully...17 odd minutes.
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oh my god, i just booted into windows with 400FSB at 7.5 multiplier -_-... finally! this is the first time ever.
but..
prime locks up, starting any type of test, and system reboots, super pi crashes, but windows just force closes it.... cinebench10 runs fine...
tried 400fsb with 7 multiplier, booted to windows, cinebench10 runs fine, prime runs fine, but worker thread #7 and #8 fail for rounding error, and the rest of the test keeps going :\
bummer...past my RMA dates as well..
guess it really is bad CPU.. :\
do we know if ASUS will ever release a newer BIOS for this? maybe with some better OC options? If i could increase Vtt or Vcore i am pretty sure i could get this stable...
hahah if only invested in some better xeons lol this wouldn't be a problem. hahahaha
My CPU's can run at 100c too but that doesn't mean they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Mine are running 70c+ loaded, 400mhz 1.9v. Not bad considering they never did more than 386mhz at 1.8v on my X7DAL-E 24/7 stable. 429 with dry ice on them and the X7DAL-E.. I should dry ice them on the Z7S lol.Quote:
Every FBDimm has an AMB chip, whose temp can be monitored through the bios (for each stick individually on the Z7S). Mine range from 42 to 52 idle - load.
As for memtest, I also use memtest+ 2.01. It's faster than the old memtest especially with large amounts of mem.
Milkmandan, seems like you really got some crappy CPUs, I'm sorry m8 :(
Anyway, I think you can stop priming now and start crunching. If you wanna give it a go, let it run at 370 and keep a close watch.. if the machine can run 24/7 and produces no errors in WUs I would keep it at that. If you encounter any problems, back down to 365 which should be 100% stable.
The reason why 370 might be working for you is that BOINC doesn't drain as much power as prime, meaning the vdroop is 0,01V lower (in other words, while running BOINC, Vcore and VTT are usually 0,01V higher than when running prime, at least for me).
Oh and don't worry about the SB temp, mine gets flaming hot, too :shrug:
By the way.. CPUs won't fail prime at stock speeds, or truly stable overclocks. I once forgot that I had prime running on one machine and checked back after 10 days or so... it was still running :rofl:
I really dont think that his problem is the CPU's or the memory given the wide range of cpu frequency and memory frequency he has tested. The one way to test might be to try each CPU and each memory stick individually.
Sadly time is something i dont have much of ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Doubt i am going to be taking apart the system just to find out whats wrong with my system. even if i did find out, i wont be getting any new parts anyways...
I am already achieving an overclock, from 2.66ghz to 2.92ghz. yeah it's not great, but beggars can't be choosers :) I prolly could push it a little more, but 365 FSB is ultra stable. 9+ hours each of small fft and blend with 0 errors. I don't even plan on running this rig 24/7. I could, but for energy reasons i prolly wont.
my cpus are in fact 1333Mhz FSB with 2.66ghz, the fact that i am running 1460Mhz with 2.92Ghz is fine with me. plus OCing is not guaranteed for everyone anyways.
i'll be keeping my eye out for a BIOS update though, wish Asus would get smart and make Vcore and Vtt options available to all CPUs.
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I'll be going to Taiwan in 1.5 weeks, I used to live there, maybe i'll give Asus a call and give them a piece of my mind ;)
hey jcool are these options available in the bios when used with qx9775 or is this guy trying to get somebody
http://cgi.ebay.com/SKULLTRAIL-BY-AS...QQcmdZViewItem
the winner of that auction is also on XS (if i'm not mistaken)
Check back a few pages.. giorgioprimo confirmed that Vcore and VTT become available when using QX CPUs. Only that Vcore doesn't work right so far, it's only stock or 1,6V no matter what you set (which is too much except for benching).
So what they sell there with the mod and all (IF it's real) is more of a benching-only rig.
no im mean the part about having 1.9v vcore
It's a system from 'custom built gaming PCS' .
With the mods CBGPCS explained here
That user is banned ? Why is that ?
The 'vcore offset' is probably a feature of the 0718 bios.
I am I am I am! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Jaco
I actually was only interested in the CPUs (putting together a skulltrail system finally) and he was really awesome to deal with. I ended up with a screaming deal on the pair of procs + the fbdimms and I can't wait to get it all together!
Anyway, I had the chance to talk to him on the phone and he explained the mods for this board to me... he said the vmod required some 28 resitor changes and 6 additional mosfets, but with an updated bios he got directly from ASUS, he is able to get the vcore up to 1.9. It is with the custom bios from ASUS that he was able to get the screenshot from the above mentioned ebay listing. Anyway, would definately make for a hell of a benching board.
I just wish the damn thing supported SLI :(
Ya but like I said, who wants 1,9V on a Harpertown except for LN2 benches :rolleyes:
Hell, even 1,6V is way too much for crunching use. Congratz on winning the auction tho ;)
What did you buy, CPUs, mem, board too?
actually I only took the CPUs and ram... Need skulltrail for my sli NEEDS :)
Hi, can any one pls help me, as you can in pic i attach is picture cover of kingston with ram at 800 Attachment 84621, but went i look in bios it only with 667 Attachment 84622,why? how i can update it.
Now my in bios is in Version 0302.
Adam,
That's most probably because the cpu is running 333FSB.
If you want the ram to run at 800Mhz , you'll have to overclock the cpu to 400FSB.
What does cpuZ say about the memory ? I bet it says 800Mhz 5-5-5-18
Are these 4GB sticks?
The Z7S currently only has a 1:1 divider for FSB:Dram. So like Jaco said, you have to overclock your CPUs to FSB400 if you want to run the mem at 800Mhz.
If they can't handle the extra Mhz, you can lower your multiplier by 0,5. Higher FSB is beneficial on a dual S771 anyways.
hi, i forget to bring my cpu-z printSc to office, cos my house didint install any connection to internet, ok this is my office pc, it have same problem, ram is 667, and bios show up is 533. and this is the image for cpu-z.
Attachment 84662
Attachment 84663Attachment 84664
Attachment 84665Attachment 84675
and 1 thing i dont know how to OC this thing :confused:, never do it before. can show it to me pls....
thank for replay.
thats.. interesting.
Are you using FSB1066 CPUs on the mobo, like older Clovertowns? Must be, but even then SPD should show 400Mhz capability...
FSB option is found unter "advanced features" --> "clockgen settings" or something. Just set it to manual and increase gradually.
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Originally Posted by jcool
FSB1066 CPUs you mean procese?
this is 1st page i didnt post.
Attachment 84679
is that picture for your office computer or the home?
well you are using E5420's :\ def Harpertown
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aside from all that.
I did a small run with 3dmark06 and vantage
got high 17,000 for 3dmark06 and and P14684 for vantage
with 4870x2.
not sure why my 3dmark06 is low.. should be a bit higher.
-- got my youtube video up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug7ieHQmy8Q
this should be helpful for anyone who wants to do a similar build... with the ASUS Z7S WS.
and of course thank you everyone here at XS :)
Are you sure the ram you bought was 667mhz?
Hi,
all i post at here is from my office computer,
as what i know this ram is 667mhz ram, i will send it today to shop for theme to repair it, any solution i let you guy know.
Hi, i back with news, not good news:down:, as the shop technical say it cos of ram,
4Gb ram in one module is unable run properly after test, we replace with 2Gb x 4 module = 8Gb is okay and runing at 667mhz:up:, okay that all i have in this moment.
Okay, so no 4GB modules as of yet :/
Sucks, thank you for this information.
hi everybory, i would like to present you my watter cooling of my motherboard
http://www.aquacool.cz/galerie/pc002-002v.jpg
http://www.aquacool.cz/galerie/pc002-001v.jpg
http://www.aquacool.cz/galerie/pc002-003v.jpg
http://www.aquacool.cz/galerie/pc002-004v.jpg
separate blocks before nickels:
http://www.aquacool.cz/pictures/z7allv.jpg
Looks amazing :shocked: Are these blocks custom made? :up: I don't recognize any of them.
Looks really slick, apart from the plug and cool fittings.. those really suck IMO.
Oh and where the hell did you get that Asus ram fan?
I agree, VERY nice looking setup..Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
Oh a FYI guys;
A while ago we had over 200 guests in the WCG section and from what I could see over 175 of them were on this thread.
I think someone linked to this thread and that link went worldwide.
Actaully slowed down the site for over an hour..:rofl:
Blocks are made by my friend http://www.aquacool.cz/index.html. Fan on RAM is for their high temperature. Water cooling for RAM is in work.
http://trancebiotic.wz.cz/hlplat.jpg
http://trancebiotic.wz.cz/platky.gif
http://trancebiotic.wz.cz/cpu.jpg
Jeez, so that's why my ftp traffic has gone through the roof lately - luckily I got unlimited :wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
@A1Ex: No, I meant, where did you get that particular Asus ram fan? I know the mems run hot ;)
Was it included with your mobo? Because no one else got that...
Someone's got a friend with a CNC mazak/milling machine... :up:
Very nice fabrication, A1ex! Very slick...:)
-SS
Hell yes that is SMEXY. I love the chunky pins in the waterblocks and the board looks positively sveldt without all the Asus coolers on it. Nice work.
This page is full of nice waterblock pr0n :ROTF:
The fan is called 'ASUS MEMCool' and its 13.59€ on Amazon (at least here in Germany). The only thing you have to do is change the fan itself. A small EBM Papst fan like the Papst 612 F/2L will do proper RAM cooling without the noise of the original Delta fan (2000rpm vs. 6500rpm)... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
I want that board! :D I just love dual socket mobos!
So they finally sell the addon fan..Quote:
Originally Posted by Breit
I don't need one as you may have seen :D - just being curious.