Does anyone know of a good way to get the bios back after a bad flash died at 37% :( tryed holding ctrl and home but i dont have a ps2 keyboard and im not sure if it still works with a usb to ps2 block plz help im losing it with this board :(
Does anyone know of a good way to get the bios back after a bad flash died at 37% :( tryed holding ctrl and home but i dont have a ps2 keyboard and im not sure if it still works with a usb to ps2 block plz help im losing it with this board :(
This sounds like an unrecoverable fail. My guess is rma time.
Doh.
just pluged a speaker onto the board i get a bleep of i take the ram out but nothing just on boot up :(
It's so frustrating. I'm getting constant reboots.
Specs:
CPU: Intel Q6600 Quad Core
Mobo: MSI P7N Diamond
RAM: 8 GB of Corsair Dominator (DDR2 1066)
Video Card: EVGA 8800GT 512MB Akimob Superclocked
Hard Drives: 2x Seagate SATA 3.0 GB - Raid 0
Sound: X-FI that came with the P7N
OS: Vista Ultimate 64bit
Power supply: PC Power and cooling Silencer 750W
Basically the system constantly reboots on me. I am running the 1.1 BIOS downloaded from the MSI website. I also took out 4gb so that I'm running just 4 right now. Any thoughts on why this is happening and how to fix it? Thanks.
It runs with 4gb but not 8? I've never tried running more than 4gb but I can see how 8 could cause problems. Could you list your bios settings?
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Originally Posted by Kyros
Check the Trfc it could be that ocz forum has some good notes on it
Under Cell Menu I have:
D.O.T Control: Disabled
Intel EIST: Enabled
SLI-Ready Memory: Disabled
System clock mode: Auto
The only thing not standard is that I have:
Dram Voltage (V): 2.2
I've played around with tons of other settings but nothing has worked. I'm about out of ideas. I've tried so many different configurations but nothing has worked. Also, I am only running 4gb right now just for testing purposes. Thanks.
I'm not sure what you mean. Sorry, I'm a network admin but I know little about OC'ing. Sorry to be so dense. I've been researching for over 8 hours the past 2 days and nothing has helped :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal
No probs heres a link have a read might help might not i see your not using ocz ram but still worth a read ;)
http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=35435
Sadly, I don't see a tRFC option with the P7N.. Am I just missing something?
no the P7n doesnt have the option to change that setting so you need to use a app like memset to check and see what its set to then if its low check with your ram maker and see if there is a spd file to change it ;)
Yeah I cleared cmos and everything was at the stock settings that I had used for about a month I know it was accurate in bios 1.0 I am usin 1.1 nowwhich didnt give me too many problems but I am very afraid to flash if Im not stable at stock speeds. The blue screen error I am getting is a hard drive error and I am using raid0 with two WD caviar 250gb drives I think it is the onboard raid controller not geting enough voltage but the added voltage to my NB causes it to be stable enough not to crash. Im afraid to run it for too longQuote:
Originally Posted by loonym
My hw moniter says
3.3v = 3.280v
5v = 4.198v
12v = 11.968v
Icore = 13.000a (average)
I12v = 1.480a
efficiency = 22% (average)
I "think" I may have got it running stable. I found an article and kind of went by the spec that they had. Amazing the damn thing won't run stable at default speeds. I had to OC it to 3 GHz and 444.4 on the RAM and now it's not crashed yet *crosses fingers".
I hope I didn't OC things too much. I really don't know what I'm doing hardly, but all my core's seem to be running around 40 degrees celcius according to Core Temp.
Anything I should pay attention to to make sure I don't fry my system?
Bababooey: I don't know how much this matters, as I don't have hat much experience with it yet, but your 5v looks way too low. It's off by 16%. I don't know what in a computer uses 5v (12v is the most important one), but I can't imagine it being off that much would be good for it.
Anyway, I've not done any OC'ing yet, but my P7N and various other parts are lying in wait for me to put them together tonight or tomorrow. I intend to go with water cooling eventually (probably in a couple weeks), but in the meantime I'll be using my processor's stock cooling. I have a Q6600. I'm a bit curious how far I'd be able to safely push it on stock, and am also wondering if anyone has any good ideas on how to keep my harddrives safe while trying to find a stable overclock. Additionally, if I'm clearing CMOS before doing stuff, I'm losing my harddrive settings every time, right? Is it easy to restore those by hand afterward?
Can anyone explain these settings as they relate to the P7N Diamond:
CPU GTL Ref: 65
FSB Term: 25
To get those numbers, what value do you actually use in the Bios?
I set my ram settings manually but it did not help. Have you ever seen hw moniter off by that much? Should I just try Prime 95 at settings that I know it runs well and if thats stable not worry about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
I can say without question that you'll never run 8gb ram without pushing the nb voltage. You may have to loosen timings some too and then if you're lucky you can run them at ddr2-800.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyros
No, I don't think anyone can explain them except perhaps the MSI engineers that wrote the bios and used those values instead of actual voltages or percentages. How they relate to voltage is unknown at least from anything I can find. In the latest couple of bios releases they have dropped the integers in favor of actual voltage settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyros
It will be very helpful to those reading and perhaps answering posts if people looking for solutions or perhaps offering solutions to issues would create a hardware sig and maybe list some bios settings. Specifics will help everyone.
Cal,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal
If the bootblock is still intact a recovery is possible.
Was your system overclocked before the flash? You should always make sure your system is stable before flashing...
I know I shouldn't feed this but I have to answer this post one more time. Have you had a P7N Diamond? If so what were your oc issues? I've had this same board since I bought it in feb and it's run at full load 99.9% of the time perfectly stable for the most part with a q6600 @ 3.6ghz on air. I just last week decided to try a new 45nm quad and that's worked pretty much flawlessly too at the same full load 24/7 @ 3.83ghz. I've never run this board with stock settings so I can't comment on any issues people may or may not have while trying that. I ran some quick benches just now, on air since that's all I have, to illustrate overclocking potential. No tricks, no mods, just straight up runs back to back. :shrug: :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Bios screens... with settings for 4ghz benchies and then my 24/7 settings for crunching WCG at 3.83ghz...
Some load temps and a basically useless screen of H/W Monitor...
Loonym,
saw your bios pics and wonder if you can give me some explanation about your settings:
- you've setted PCI-E freq to 108 Mhz, is it useful for stability or is it just your choiche?
- what is DIMM Memory Reference Voltage use for?
_ PCI Expander PLL Voltage? What does it affect?
thanks!
loonym,
With regard to your "regular" voltage settings, might they work for me with my E8500 overlock issues? Please see a my two posts on page 28 for more details. And how do you get your "System Temperature" so low? Mine if 44°C when idle. And I believe my case is pretty nice with regard to cooling.
- Mannekino
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Originally Posted by AaronYuri
Cheers going to pick up a ps2 keyboard today and give it a try before i rma
system was running stock and i thought stable but i was mistaken :(
The small office where the pc's are is the location of a 10,000btu window ac unit so ambient is very good. It blows directly through the pc area before the air moves out into the surrounding rooms. Also, The TRUE benefits a great deal from high cfm fans.
The pci-e settings have nothing to do with the board or cpu oc, I use those for my vid oc's. As far as actually explaining voltages like dimm mem ref, that's a litle out of my league but I was always taught (through forums like this) that a good setting for that value is 50% of vdimm. I have no idea if it helps me stabilize but it doesn't hurt :D All my settings are settled on after experimenting with my own various setups after periods of trial and error and are examples for reference only. I would not recommend any of it for anyone else but I do recommend patience and experimenting. I have killed a lot of gear so take anything I post with an x-large grain of whatever. :ROTF:
The P7N Diamond is high on my list of potential motherboards for my next build, can I expect to get 8gb of ram working on this motherboard (Patriot Extreme Viper)?
Also, if I were to buy this board along with a GTX 280, how likely am I to experience video corruption? These are the two main issues that have prevented me from going ahead with my next build, and I'd like some first hand responses from experienced P7N users, so your input would be greatly appreciated.
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Here is what I'm hoping to put together:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500
EVGA E-GEFORCE GTX 280 Ftw
Patriot Extreme Viper 4GB 2X2GB PC2-8500 DDR2-1066 (x2)
Western Digital Caviar SE16 640GB (x2)
Bgears B-ENSPIRER 7.1 DDL DTS
Noctua NH-U12P LGA775 AM2 Heatsink
Noctua NF-P12-1300 120MM Ultra Quiet Cooling Fan
Corsair TX750W 750W
LG GGC-H20L BLU-RAY HD-DVD Reader BD-ROM
Antec P182 ATX Black Mid Tower
Logitech G5 Laser Gaming Mouse
Logitech Internet 350 USB Keyboard Black
Chances are if I feel like the video corruption issue is going to be a huge problem I'll probably go for a P45, but I'd prefer to buy the P7N and keep my SLI options open...
I never experienced the video corruption but I see a lot of people saying that the latest beta bios has solved their issues. There are a couple good examples of people running 8gb ram earlier in this thread although I've never needed to try it. I certainly think it can be done with the right voltages to nb, etc but I wouldn't expect to run much over ddr2-800 speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimspoon
Ditto there, loonym. Don't even think X48 would get 8GB over 800MHz.
I experienced the corruption issue, and BIOS v1.2B1 solved it for me.
Ordered a Q9450 today, so I'll post my findings once I toy with it.
I just set up my computer today and have been having stability problems. Everything's running at stock. I flashed the BIOS with v1.21 and it seemed to fix my stability issues, but I just got an IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL crash, so something's still wrong. I'm no longer able to boot up the computer; it fails with "A disk read error occurred. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart." Attempting to get into BIOS settings yields the same result.
In addition to the stuff in my sig, I've got a SATA Samsung DVD-RW and an older IDE DVD-RW. My CPU's VID is 1.225. Earlier, I tried removing a stick of RAM to see if that'd help, but the crashes continued.
Any suggestions? I'd really appreciate it.
That error sounds like your boot order is wrong or maybe something wrong with your hdd like mbr failed. You can't enter bios at all at this point? Have you cleared the cmos?
I cleared CMOS and got into the BIOS. The boot order is currently:
1. Floppy
2. WD Caviar 640GB
3. WD Caviar 640GB
4. Seagate 750GB
5. DVD-RW
6. DVD-RW
The two WD drives are in RAID 0. After getting the BIOS settings back to how they were, the computer booted up just fine!
This is the 4th or 5th time it's crashed today, though, so something's unstable. What do you recommend I change to try to stabilize it?
I apologize for my newness; I'm entirely new to overclocking. I'm looking forward to learning how all of this works. :) Thanks.
Edit: Just rebooted again out of the blue. Happened very quickly and gave no error.
Edit 2: I tried a 75 MHz overclock without touching anything else but RAM (running 1:1) and things are running stable so far. Perhaps it will stay that way. Here's hoping.
Edit 3: Still can't get this thing stable. I'm running at 2.55 GHz now and don't know what to do to get it to stop crashing. Just been slowly upping the FSB, but I can't keep doing that because the core temperatures are rising (currently idling at 39 C).
I think the best advice to you is to slow down a little and read a lot. Overclocking, to me, is more than just grabbing a set of good looking numbers that someone threw up on a random website screenshot. The numbers I decide on for my hardware are usually arrived at after many hours (days,weeks?) of playing. Most times this includes numerous flashes to find 'my' best bios, dozens of crashes, freezes and bios resets, a few reinstalls (trueimage is my friend), hardware swaps, and the settings hopefully evolve as I dream (nightmares?) up something new to try. When I see someone saying 'my system is crashing what do I do?' the first thing I look at is ram, then power supply, and cooling. If those are satisfactory the next is timings. But 99% of the time the answer to oc problems is voltage. Naturally more voltage=greater cooling needs. If I can't get stable I generally don't have enough voltage somewhere for a given oc. Then it becomes a process of elimination, trial and error, and most of all patience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiskbit
what about an USB devices problem ??? have you tried removing all your USB devices if you have any ? I know, this can be hard if you have both mouse and keyboard on USB...
@ Grimspoon : for now, I don't regret my choices (see my sig for full spec). looks like you're about to build a killer rig :D (bios 1.2b1 fixed the video corruption problem I always had, and also fix the .5 multiplier availablility for my E8500)
loonym: Yes, I understand that; all hardware is different, and I don't expect overclocking to be a breeze. I'll be holding off on trying to achieve a high clock until I have more adequate cooling, and I realize that even then it will be very slow as I tweak lots of stuff and run stress tests for long periods of time. The thing that concerned me here was that the board isn't running at stock, but I recall that other people earlier in the thread had that issue. I'm getting a lot closer to stability now, with a higher clock. Looking good.
My power supply shouldn't be an issue. Cooling is also fine; temperatures are all safe. My RAM is currently at 566 (1:1 with FSB). Its timings are 5-5-5-15. As for voltage, I'm avoiding increasing it, as I'm running stock cooling. My current settings may be working, as Prime95 has been running for a while without fail, but it's too early to tell. Should I be tightening the timings on my RAM at all?
Thanks much, loonym. Your posts regarding success with this board in this thread eased the worries I developed after ordering the board and reading about some of the early troubles people came across. :up:
gamin: My keyboard isn't USB and my mouse, while USB, is hooked up through an adapter. I've had a USB cam hooked up at times, but it didn't seem to have any negative effect (though the extra beep when powering up concerned me for a bit until I realized it was the USB!). I'm actually a bit surprised that I haven't come across several of the problems others have seen, such as SATA issues. The machine's running a lot more stable now, so I'm hoping I don't run into any more problems. Aside from not running at stock, I'm really, really liking what I've seen of this board so far.
I've had the same situation after some time when I was running unchanged OC and then decide to try higher... Answer was somewhere else than in bios.. I'm not sure if it's the same issue but it looks like.. My crashes started after vista startup when background programs was starting but just when I changed my OC /up or down or default/... So I had feeling it's software based problem... That was some profile I've set while I was not changing OC so I did't see anything wrong.. Profile was set in nVidia control panel, I used it just for fan speed setting but it saved my OC as well and that settings are running after system startup so it probably trying to change bios OC and crashing /with new vid drivers is this nVidia OC utility again as nTune and disappeared from control panel, I've read at nVidia site.../ So I set my OC to the same as were in that profile, started up system, deleted profile and everything is nice and shiny now.... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
panheimer
Really no issues with G15+G9 and other usb devices after 1.2B1 flashed.... I'm trying to keep chipset drivers up to date and it's working for me /always using those from nVidia site /
grimspoon
I was surprised that video corruption was bios issue / believed it's driver problem / but with 1.2B1 it's solved..:up:
Ultimately, I think my issue may have been related to SATA rather than anything else. After running Prime95 for hours, I had no troubles, but as soon as I was doing general use again, I ran into problems. I installed the SATA drivers for the 790i after seeing in a thread somewhere that they work and have had no more issues. For anyone having trouble with SATA, this is probably the way to go.
New beta out: http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?to...3750#msg863750
Dated 25/06/2008. As usual post feedback in the thread.
P.S Got my Q9450 today. Currently running 400 x 8 @ 1.2v VCore. I'll update later after I push much further.
I have been having some hard drive issues. I increased my south bridge voltage to 1.55 seems to have helped and I get my best results in everest disk bench at that voltage. I am using 2x WD caviars 3gb/s 16mb cache 7200rpm on a 64kb stripe (I should have used 128) and I get a really high average read access (16.88ms). My other scores are good Liner read (begin)= 150.4MB/s linear read (middle)=132.4 MB/s Linear read (end) 73.8 MB/s random read 113.9MB/s Buffered read 316.5MB/s What could be causing my high average read access?
There's a new beta bios, you can d/l the 1.22 beta at msi forum. http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=115073.0 Registration is required I believe to d/l
To those of you running SLI, what did you have to do to get it enabled? I have two 8800 GTS cards and have SLI set to enabled in the NVidia control panel, but I see almost no change in 3DMark06 score. When I enable "Show SLI Visual Indicators", there are no onscreen indicators in anything I've tried (Half Life 2, Crysis, 3DMark06). I've looked all around and can't figure out what may be wrong; is there a step I missed?
Sometimes enabling sli requires a second install of the vid drivers.
I've uninstalled and reinstalled a few times, but it doesn't help at all. I'm using the newest Geforce 8-series drivers.
I don't have a change log for the BIOS. I have no idea what has been done to it. If anyone has an idea, it will be Jack. He will post it here: http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=115073.120
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Nope, at the moment I don't have any info.
I've had this board for about three weeks and I felt like sharing my experiences here as I found this thread invaluable for both research and troubleshooting. This board was attractive for what I wanted and I decided to take a bit of a risky plunge when I purchased it - I come from a long line of AMD-based systems and I was never big on SLI. I've of course been a guest/lurker at XtremeSystems for quite some time and I'm a member of many other similar forums, and likewise I have a good deal of experience under my belt. My current system configuration is in my signature for reference. I only hope that my issues and solutions with this maturing board will be useful to others, via my elaboration.
I had two major problems with this build that I've been tackling for several weeks now, and I've only found a solution to one of them. The first problem is characterized by the inability to get the system at all stable past about, well, what I have my system at currently. Usually the system simply freezes, usually a few minutes into OCCT, although if I jack up the FSB voltage and tweak the GTLs I can get it stable up to 30 minutes of OCCT. I generally attempt this at a FSB of 1422 (9x355.5 = 3.2 GHz), and regardless of voltages or other settings (it does pass Memtest) it will freeze in that manner, although again a relatively high NB (1.4-1.45) and FSB voltage (1.313) will get it progressively more stable. I imagine if the board had higher FSB voltage settings I might be okay, but I still find it a bit perplexing considering the ease of 3.1 GHz stability.
The second problem was that the system would OCCT fine from stock to 3.1 without a problem, but games would eventually crash. The games exhibited behavior such as orange checkerboards, VPU recoveries (brief black screen), freezing, speeding up of visuals after a pause, CTD, etc. The higher the OC, the faster this happened; I tried switching the PSU and memory before finally in a last ditch effort I wedged a decent fan over the NB. Everything is quite stable, now, so I conclude the NB was overheating, although why it would do that even on stock is beyond me. My best theory at the moment is the motherboard design coupled with my CPU cooler configuration somehow trapped a lot of hot air in that region.
This motherboard also has some other small issues - the known USB keyboard issue - that I won't elaborate on too much. One of them is that the 2nd LAN's USB ports don't register with the BIOS properly (if I plug in a flash drive to one, it won't be listed/detected on POST as a storage device) although they work fine in the OS. The second is a proclivity for this motherboard to come up blank and need a BIOS reset after unplugging the power cable and moving around hardware - this did not happen on my PSU switch, but it did on memory switching and slot changing, X-Fi slot changing, and front USB hook-up. These were particularly noticeable in BIOS v1.1 but I still have those issues in v1.2b1 to a lesser degree.
I would appreciate any assistance on the FSB problem, and I hope my solution for the gaming crashes will be of help to some users. It's possible my board has specific issues or my configuration is unique, but I just don't like giving in to RMA/replacement. I took some time testing and organizing my findings and wanted the information out there. This thread seemed the best place to do that, so pardon the length of my post. XS is the only forum I know that can fully appreciate the crazy tinkering of hardware pioneers.
I've been doing various tests in 3DMark06 and have managed to get scores from 12,000-14,000 with SLI enabled in different modes. Forcing software to use only a single card, I get around 12,000. I've also not noticed any improvement in frame rates in Crysis or Half Life 2. From what I've been reading, I should be seeing more improvement; is this normal, or is something wrong with my system (perhaps a CPU bottleneck or some other issue)?
Both 8800 GTS 512 cards are running at 650/972/1625.
I don't have my system set up in SLI yet, Fiskbit, so I'm sorry I can't help you, but I am getting my second card this week and I will report my experiences in 3DMark06.
Also I'd like to update the thread on my situation as I believe I have finally made progress on the FSB issue. If you recall from above, I mentioned that 9x343 was happily stable while 9x355.5 wouldn't budge for the most part. Well after playing around with some of the memory voltages and other things the other day, I noticed more stability at 3.2. I also noticed that while I had to set SLI-memory to Expert for 3.1 to be stable, it had to be Disabled for 3.2 to even POST. I came to the conclusion earlier tonight that the motherboard's auto values for my RAM's TRC was dependent on FSB such that the auto values for Expert were too low sometimes while auto values for Disabled were too low in other times.
I had written down all the values - literally all - that CPU-z and Everest reported for the memory timings, and compared the stable 3.1 to various other configurations (3.2, 3.4, 3.6, etc.). I toggled SLI from Expert to Disabled as well and checked those values. What I noticed was that the memory was only stable at a TRC of 48T (45T is SPD according to CPU-z) but that the system was bootable at 32T (which is what SLI Disabled defaulted to at 355.5 FSB) and not stable at all. I also noticed that at FSB 400, for example, SLI-memory needed to be enabled but had a value of 36T, but SLI enabled at FSB 355.5 was unknown (no POST) and likely sub-32. This was regardless of what I set for memory speed - 1066, 1000, 800, etc.
So I went back to 355.5 and booted with SLI-memory Disabled, but then used Memset to change the TRC to 48T in Windows. Voila - OCCT for an hour just as a probing attempt went without a hitch, where setting any value to RAM in BIOS right before it would result in a crash within 5 min. Even top voltages managed only 20-30 min on lucky runs. So I'm pretty confident that I have at least narrowed down the issue.
The quick report is this: users having instability in games but not OCCT/Prime should consider active cooling of the northbridge, even on stock settings. Users with problems getting past 3.0-3.1 GHz on a quad, or past 350 FSB, should go with bootable/POST-capable BIOS settings for memory and then use memset to raise TRC in Windows. FSB Term and memory voltage of course help, as is well-known, but these two particular problems seem to have specific solutions. Hope that helps somebody and I'll be back to diagnose my SLI problems that I'm sure will crop up.
I got a private message asking for how I fixed the SATA drivers issue, so I figure I may as well post it here so others can benefit. This thread has instructions on how to install the 790i SATA drivers. Install those and everything should work fine from then on.
XavierMaxx: Good to hear you're getting things working right! What kind of card are you going to be running in SLI?
I've been fiddling around more. I removed one of my cards and ran 3DMark06 and Crysis. I noticed no slowdown in Crysis and I recorded a score of 12,979 in 3DMark06 (5391 SM2.0, 5489 HDR/SM3.0, 4123 CPU). Upon adding the second card back in and getting everything installed, I ran 3DMark06 again while forcing AFR2 and got 14,428 (5319, 7096, 4128). I got a slightly lower score than with only 1 card installed when letting the application itself decide what to use.
Nice findings XavierMaxx, thanks for the post :up:
Nvidia chipsets are notorious for their heat output. I was amazed when I pulled the circu-pipe early on and saw what MSI qc apparently thinks passes for good TIM and heatsink contact. There was this extremely hard purple compound that looked sort of like dried epoxy. It was very difficult to clean from the chips and sinks. On the mosfet area there was a typical rubbery thermal pad that only showed partial contact from 1/2 the fets. That was discarded. I coated everything with a liberal dose of ceramique and after tweaking the pipe unit a little so it sits flat, I put it back together.I use a small fan on the nb as well as the mosfet area. Unfortunately there's no software that will read these board temps but I feel much better having done all that.
Fiskbit, 3d06 probably doesn't scale as well with sli as most games and you may as you said be cpu limited. You will of course as you know see 06 scores rise significantly with higher cpu clocks. You keep mentioning crysis which got my interest since that game should scale well with sli. Are you running the time demo bench? I almost thinking no since you mentioned that you 'notice' no slow down. It might be useful to you to try crysis bench and maybe some other fps time demo benches that record frames if you think your sli isn't working as it should.
I've tried the game's benchmarks as well as just testing various parts of the game in normal gameplay conditions with the framerate displayed. There is no consistent change in framerate in either case. I'm not too worried about this at the moment, as I'll be doing some overclocking within a month or two. If I don't see any sort of substantial change at that point, I'll become more concerned.
Regarding temperatures, I've been using SpeedFan and it has a few temperatures I can't identify. I think Temp1 is some sort of motherboard temperature, but I'm really unsure. It idles around 32 C. I have no idea what Temp2 is, and it idles around 47 C. I'm assuming Core (73 C) is one of my GPUs, and then there's one labeled Ambient that idles at 56 C and most certainly is not the ambient temperature. Any idea what these might be?
Do you recommend reseating the cooling components on the board, then? I've not been too concerned about built up heat there because my case has two 25cm fans that blow on the motherboard and harddrives, and the northbridge heatsink doesn't seem to get uncomfortably warm. If it's badly seated enough that reseating will lower temperatures noticeable, though, I may as well.
loonym, sorry to bother you again, but how did you put a fan on the nb? i've also have a TRUE in push pull, so on one side of the circu pipe is the heatsink fan, while on the other side is the back of vga card and can't imagine a way to push some fresh air on the nb. do you have any pics of your rig?
My SB is getting very hot theese days, (my room has 33° C) and reaches as high as 65° C while playing games in SLI. The strange thing is that the sb temp reading seems to be linked with the 2nd GPU as it goes up and down according to the GPU ambient reading with a margin of 2°C difference. Is there any way to active cool the sb? i've tried to put a small 40mm fan on it, but there are not enough space under the vga cooler.
i've also tought to replace the circupipe with HR05ifx, i've got two of them, one SLI version and one normal, bot neither one fit between the two 8800 ultras.
Fiskbit: Thanks for the words of support, we need all we can get with this board. I'll be running 8800GTS-512s like yourself, albeit BFG instead of EVGA. Can't really go wrong with either brand. I'm anticipating more issues when I do it so like yourself I am tackling them one at a time.
I agree with loonym that 3DMark06 doesn't always seem to scale well with SLI, or at least that's what I've seen in my research. Likewise, though, Crysis should show some noticeable gain. Most people point to drivers in cases like yours but I'm a bit more old school and would say check the hardware instead; I know, for example, that one solution over at the MSI Forums for SLI instability on this board was to use just 1 SLI connector.
I also have read that our cards tend to automatically slacken, even in SLI, if temps get a bit unwieldly. I'm not sure if this is true but I can tell you that my single 8800GTS hits 62C core load on this board and you generally want to stay below 80C. I use Rivatuner to boost the fan speed manually on startup. The GPU temps show up in Everest quite readily and obviously.
loonym: I'm glad I'm not alone, and I know all about cooling mods...I've just been a more relaxed OCer in recent times so I need to get my feet wet again. I will say without a doubt that a lot of the problems I see on MSI Forums with OCs and stability are no doubt linked to the two problems I had. I can say with certainty now after runnin OCCT overnight that indeed I overcame that second hurdle. Your perseverance in this thread and at the MSI Forums is much appreciated by the community.
I put the small fan (50mm) on the side of the big nb sink right behind the vid card and simply used a couple zipties to hold it. There's plenty enough room for a small fan. I love fans so I have 'em everywhere I can think of. I don't have any measuring equipment and I don't know of any software that will measure the temps I'm interested in like the pwm area and the nb so there's no way to tell if any of my efforts paid off or not but it's just something I do with all my setups. I simply don't trust the consistancy or quality of factory installs whether it's vid cards, mobos or whatever, even though some are rather good upon inspection. As far as the southbridge goes I've never really worried about that temp too much since I only apply 1 notch over stock voltage but I think if that cover was gone off it I could manage to squeeze a tiny fan there too, in between the cards it looks like enough space. I'm redoing my install, hopefully this weekend, in an Xclio WTBK Advanced, which btw I notice is the same case Fiskbit is using. I'm going to be using my current sunbeam full tower for a P45 cruncher I'm building. I want to try one of those $99 MSI P45 Neo-f boards. I'll take some pics then. I'm a little embarrassed about the state of my cable and fan management at this point :shakes: Very sloppy :D
Zipties: man of my own heart. I've used them to rig all sorts of cooling that defied physics. I'm happy at 3.2 but trying 3.4 for fun, and I can see my vDroop is getting huge now, so I will probably have to do something about the MOSFET cooling. I agree with the statement that you can't trust the manufacturer's cooling solutions, at least in regard to thermal interface, and I have a proud tradition of modifying them since my NF7-S days and perhaps even as far back as my MSI KT333 boards. As far as cable management goes, lol, let's just say my attention to such things is proportionate to the visibility - and I don't have a window.
I haven't had time to fully inspect the cooling on this board yet but I don't see why zipties wouldn't work, although I have used Arctic Silver epoxy in the past (nasty stuff). I find that modifying retail cooling products is often the best way to handle this situation. For example, and this is on the extreme end, I removed and covered metal from a Vantec PCI dual-fan cooler so I could mount it vertically next to a CPU heatsink and northbridge (air going from RAM side to their side). It brought down temps a good 10C, and it wasn't too expensive. It also stayed in place with only mild tying.
loonym: I really like my XClio case, but am still disappointed by a few aspects of it. The hard drive bay design is pretty poor; they made the back ends of the hard drives face the side for easy port access, but this leaves little room between the edge of the case and the ports. My power supply had 3 SATA power cables on a single bundled cord, which would have worked great here were it not for the amount they'd have to be bent to get them to fit. I ended up having to use some Molex->SATA power converters due to fear of cords breaking from bending too much.
The toolless design on the front drive bays is pretty awful. The rails, at least in mine, are neon green (yet a review I saw showed black rails!). They stick out the front for 'easy' removal of drives, and installing drives with just screws looks like it'd be very hard. I always remove toolless hardware when I can because I don't trust them compared to screws, and I remain irritated by how bad the toolless design is here and how ugly it is.
Aside from that, the case is awesome. I'm a little disappointed by the fan noise (I expected the massive fans to be a lot quieter) and wish the LEDs could be turned off without turning off the fans, but the front temperature readout is great and it cools like a beast. Definitely a nice case.
XavierMaxx: I just upped my 8800 GTS fan speed to 50% (700RPM) using the NVidia control panel. You say you change fan speed on startup, so it sounds like you do this a lot. Doing it with the NVidia control panel should make it permanent. What temperature do you idle at? Mine is now down to about 60 C for GPU1. GPU2 stayed very cool even before I messed with the fan, always being in the upper 50s. I don't really know anything about acceptable GPU temperatures.
Since I have a floppy drive and IDE DVD drive, I need to get some new rounded cables to replace the ribbon cables. The cords in my case are all zip-tied, as well, and the ribbon cables are so bulky and block so much air!
You can have up to three temperature readings for each video card: GPU, memory, and ambient. It's possible you are only reading GPU and ambient, though, and for the most part you only need the former. More or less I consider 80C a limit for load temperatures all the way back to my GeF3 Ti-500, as the dense silicon in video cards starts to get twitchy around 75C in my experience. Generally I experienced stability and/or performance issues when my cards starting hitting 80C.
Idle isn't as important but for your reference, mine idles at 43C with this board (42C on my last). Load, again, is 62C (55C with my old board), which I consider more than reasonable, although I would tolerate up to 70-75C personally as long as I was confident the ambient wouldn't spike. I kept my fan speed at 75% on my old system, and 86% on this one (to compensate for the higher temperature inherit with this motherboard). In the past I generally determined the optimal manual setting by measuring (with RivaTuner or similar) the fan speed when it is on auto through a long gaming session (1 hr). Whatever % the fan was at when temperatures reached equilibrium with it, I used as a baseline and added % until the load temps were reasonable.
As is implied by my information above, I have found this motherboard to have a higher general ambient heat than most so it is important to adjust your cooling to meet the need. I often find that even the little things can make a big difference, depending on the source of heat build-up. Certainly I suggest active cooling on any motherboard bridges near a video card and I always override the auto fan settings.
Not sure if you guys sorted your SLi problems, but here is what I did to see an improvement in 3DMark06. What you need to do is go into the nvidia control panel and force some settings for the 3dmark app. Specifically, I needed to set the SLi render mode to something other than nvidia recommended to see any performance increase (have it on alternate frame rendering 2 right now for 3dmark). Doing that gave me a very noticable performance increase. I couldn't say exactly what it was since I was also overclocking the CPU. That being said, 3dmark06 is very CPU dependent. When I had my CPU at around 3.8ghz, my score was over 17k. With CPU at stock speeds (3ghz) it was something closer to 14k or 15k (don't really remember which).
As for all my other games, I have not had to force the SLi mode to get both of my cards to render the scene; all of them just work with the nvidia recommended settings. One way to check this in Crysis (since you mentioned that game) is to hit the tilde key (~) to open the console while you are playing and to type "r_displayinfo 1" (without quotes of course). In the top right hand side of the screen a bunch of information will be displayed. If it says "MGPU" or "Multiple GPU" in there somewhere, your SLi is working correctly. For me, with everything on very high (cept for antialiasing) at 1280x1024 I get around 30-50fps in Crysis.
Hope that helps out. If any of you still have problems with the SLi settings, I can try to help, just PM me. I spent quite a bit of time messing around with settings to get them tweaked to my liking. :)
After seeing a few people with promising results, and loonyms positive comments i've decided to try this board again. This is my only choice besides the EVGA 790i if i want 3way SLI and room for an additional pci-e sound card. Since i already have a bunch of DDR2 i decided to go this route. If it doesn't work out I'll sell it in a custom build. My board came in today but i wont have time to test it until tomorrow. I've had great success with overclcking the reference and asus versions of the 680i and 780i chipset boards. I hope i can master this one as well. Quick question... What is the difference between the p series bios and the regular numerical? (ie p07 or 1.22) and what is the recommended bios now. the 1.22? Thanks. I'll post my experiences tomorrow after tackling this monster. I'll be using all of the hardware in my sig.
I have seen people face difficulty getting 8GB to cooperate with this board, but I'm sure that's true of many boards and might just require further perseverance. I'm assuming that you would be moving your signature's system to the P7N Diamond, though. The P series BIOS is geared towards performance and, as is mentioned on the first post in this thread, is based on 1.1B6. I personally would remain with 1.2B1 as it has worked well for me and 1.2B2 still lacks notes as far as I know. If I had to guess, though, I'd say 1.2B2 is probably an attempt to fix lingering 780i video corruption issues.
Yes i will be moving my hardware to this board, but slowly. Ill be using 1 video card and 4gigs of ram on the bench to start. If by the end of the day i cant come close to what im running now then i'll probably not put to much more effort in to it. It all depends on how i progressed. I'm not looking to beat my current config but i wont settle for anything less. I'll start by removing the heatpipes and applying better TIM. If i can reach the same OC with the 1 video card and 4 gigs then ill add the rest of the hardware and go from there. I have a feeling that 8GB issues are tRFC related as per the OCZ article. If i can get a comfortable and stable OC with the 4gigs then i'll look in to having the tRFC values changed to accommodate 8gb. Hopefully g-skill can help if not i think i can use SPDtool to re-write the SPD. On auto with my Striker tRFC is at 54 though so maybe i wont have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierMaxx
Anybody seen the P7N2 Diamond anywhere yet?
http://www.dvhardware.net/article26794.html
http://www.msi.eu/news/press/2008/PR...2-Diamond.html
http://www.futuremark.com/news/53005...d_motherboard/
This guy says he already has one but i cant find them for sale anywhere.
http://www.asktheramguy.com/v3/showthread.php?t=70183
Well it does seem people have had better luck with overclocking C2Ds on this board than the quads, but there are definitely some quirks and nuances to this board that can simply be hit by an unlucky setting. I do have to use Memtest to get stable as I mentioned in one of my prior posts (runs on startup), although not for tRFC; for reference, the BIOS auto setting seems to result in 68T for my memory. I'm only using 4GB, though, but I do agree with your intuition about the 8GB problem being related to timings somehow. I am glad we have tools at our disposal to improve our chances with relatively immature hardware, certainly helped me out on this one.
Ok she's on the bench Installing Vista 64. Be back soon with updates....
Ok she's on the bench Installing Vista 64. Be back soon with updates....
Ah lucky catch on my part, checked the thread right after your post - good luck with that and let us know how it goes.
As for my results, 3.4 seems unattainable for one reason or another, I suspect it will require fine-tuning like 3.2 did. Boosting CPU voltage past a point does nothing for stability (~25 min OCCT) and same with NB voltage, so I assume either I need more FSB term (I do need more than 1.25 for 3.2) than the board can deliver currently or I will have to do some GTL tweaks. I have a FSB hole between 3.2 and 3.4 at 9x, and 1600+ seems unstable at any setting, so that remains my best bet unless I tweak up to find the edge of the hole (I expect ~3.25).
Ok so far so good. After about 45minutes of playing she's running at the same speeds as my ASUS striker II Formula. I still only have 1 video card in and 4 gigs of ram. I ran about 15min of small fft and was ok then i stopped it to run memory tests and super pi. I just started Prime back up in this screenshot. I will let it run while i run back to the shop and pick up my sound card. The temps are high ATM because my TRUE isnt mounted correctly. The backplate is still on my striker so it s not mounted tight at all. Heres the SS.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/516/captureca4.jpg
Looks pretty good. Gives me a clear idea of your system characteristics.
I see that you have the Sidebar so I assume you are running Vista, especially since the screenshot border is using the default snipping tool stroke. I mention that because Super PI crashes on me and I've heard it is a Vista compatibility issue (although I did not bother to try XP compatibility mode now that I think about it). It might be an x64 issue, too, but I'd assume with 4 or 8GB you are running that as well. Do you know anything about that?
I see that your GPU core is 60C idle there, that is what I would consider borderline for idle (you want 50-55C auto and 40-45C manual) but it is likely due to automatic fan control. I am curious as to what you hit under serious load, my expectation is that it will be at least low 70s and as high as 80+. The automatic fan control probably only hits about 50% at that point, so a manual setting of 86% like I use on this board would net you closer to 65C or so.
Everything else looks great...hope it works out for you under more testing, this board needs more users to fully probe its strengths and weaknesses.
OK 45 more min woth of prime with no errors. I just added the other 4GB of ram and still doing well. 8gb at 933 5-5-5-15. This is the same as the striker. I havent even tried to tweak this system yet just wanted to se if it could hang. I apears that it can. I'll now install the board in the case and continue. I'm using the 1.1b2 bios and loonyms bios settings here where he was calling me out for downing this board. Thanks Loon! The only things i changed were the vcore and NOT setting the SLI memory to expert. Heres a SS of the 8GB of Gskill.
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2644/capture2hr2.jpg
On the striker with all 3 cards installed full load is 60-68c with fan set to manual on 80%. Of course the middle card always shows the hottest. The ss earlier the fan is set to auto. I havent touched any of that stuff yet. Yes i'm using vista 64 SP1. I havent heard of or had issues with super pi in vista 64. I haven't used it much though.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierMaxx
Was just checking as I know Fiskbit was having some issues with SLI and/or GPU temperatures, thank you for clarifying that. Your temp results look spot-on so that helps provide a good benchmark for determining if anybody is having overheating issues on auto. My card definitely runs hotter with this board, I imagine it has to do with the chipset more than anything; glad to see it wasn't my imagination. Guess I'll have to look into my Super PI issue some more...it makes me nervous, lol...although I passed a 2-hr run of CPU-focused OCCT last night plus loops of PCMark Vantage overnight without a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
Well, I wasn't having issues with temperatures, per se; I just didn't have the fan speed upped. I'm running them at 50% for the colder card and 60% for the hotter card. Current temps are 56 and 60 C, but case ambient is 5 or 6 degrees higher than usual because it's a hot day.
I had to do a complete reinstall of windows last night and will be looking at SLI again soon. Perhaps things will run more smoothly this time.
Sounds good, let us know. No new information for you, although I poked around SLI Zone a bit...only real cause mentioned was a CPU bottleneck. Oh well, keep truckin', a format is a clean slate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiskbit
This board will now not post at all at the same settings as before. I've been playing the past 2 hrs with no luck. Posts at default settings but thats all. :(
Edit: Re-Flashed bios and now booting at 4200mhz again with all 3 video cards. Re-installing windows with OC'd settings on RAID array. I'll post 3d performance soon
LOL @nugzo... I don't know if I really called you out but I just know what this board is capable of with a little patience. Very odd it wouldn't post again with same settings nugzo until you reflashed. I can usually get by with a cmos clear if I get a no post due to bad settings. I see you're using that 1.22 beta bios. I still haven't tried it but I suppose I should. Do you suppose the original flash could have been partially corrupted? I can remember some of the old nf2 boards needed to be flashed twice for it to 'take' good, and dogg had kind of a similar problem that was solved by a reflash or 2 I think. Nice to see those numbers you're putting up with 8gb. Very nice results. Makes me wonder if the issues some have had w/8gb are related to brand and model although a couple others in this thread posted some great 8gb numbers too. I'll be looking forward to your tri-sli tests. I don't think I've seen any from this mobo yet so I'm very interested. As far as the P7N2 goes, I've been waiting all spring for it since msi added it to their website products list. So far all I've seen are a very few people with samples and not much even of that. I've emailed MSI and also a couple of their distributors and the last answer I got was mid-june which of course has come and gone. Very disappointing. I'm going to try an XFX 790i reference board for a bit until the MSI finally hits shelves.
edit: Here's a new MSI P7N2 790i review posted today at tweaktown so it must be near. :D
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/148...ard/index.html
I give this board a :up: so far. Tri-SLI numbers are close to the Striker II F. A couple of hundred points lower but i havent tweaked this board at all yet. It boots faster than the Striker. The USB keyboard bug sucks.. I'm using a new G15. I have a ps2 keyboard under the desk though so i can live with it for a while. Vcore is also lower for same settings but i havent stressed it for any length of time yet. I may need more voltage but dont know yet. I havent tried to push the CPU any further yet either. I wanted to see if i could get what my MAX stable on the striker was.... and i have quite easily. Video cards are OC'd to 800/1200 with fans set to 100% and they never passed 60c during 3dmark06 and vantage. It looks like there may be a Diamond Pwns Striker II thread in the near future. My Striker Pwns EVGA thread brought alot of attention to the striker, maybe its time the Diamond got a little dap. 3d mark screenies on the way!Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
P7N2 Diamond will pop up when the P45 Diamond boards do (before the end of this quater/July timeframe).
Update on my results with the Q9450:
FSB mode: "Linked"
CPU vCore: +0.175000 (I think | VID is 1.1500v)
NB: 1.55v
SB: 1.525v
FSB VTT: 1.313v
PCI-E: 102MHz
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...J123/p7n-1.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...nderload-1.jpg
Currently trying to get 450 x 8 stable. But the NB keeps giving up on me. Tried 1.6v and max ref, still not stabilizing.
I've been running these speeds for a few hours, appears stable. Still haven't hit the minimum of 3.6GHz I set in my mind. Got plenty of temperature headroom.
There is no possibility to underclock on the 1.21B BIOS, is there on the official 1.1? And Nice Aaron I get about 15000 3dmarks with my E8400 at 3.8ghz. I want to underclock to minimize powerdraw while simply torrenting. But it fails to post with a lower clock or multiplier lower than 8. Can't lower Vcore at all.
Should automatically lower vcore and multi in certain conditions if you enable C1E and EIST
You'd think but it will not even post if I lower it too far (which, isnt far)
Here's some 3Dmark scores. I've been having some issues though. Twice my system has degraded to the point of no post. 3dmark scores and memory bandwidth will drop. memory read will go frm 11k to low 9k. This last episode i re-flashed bios 3 times still no post at these OC'd settings. I had to slowly up the OC until i reached theses settings, now i'm good to go. I'll play with voltages and see if i can figure it out...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4969/capture3qi7.jpg
Very impressive vantage run. :up: I'm still really puzzled by your no-post situations. That's very odd behavior. If you hit on a cause or solution please keep us innformed.
I also had to slowly go up the settings. Going too high, too fast, resulted in a no POST. I've experienced this on many MSI boards and have just accepted it.
Got some free time tonight, I'll try aiming for the 3.6 stable I'm looking for.
hi all...
loonym..
I've got a problem with P07 flash but by your recommendation I flashed with all blocks programming setting ... that worked well... since then I'm using this setting every flash and it works on first flash...
With 1.2B1 I'm able to run my RAM with CL4 and T1... So my issues are solving one by one with every bios update..
P7N2 in Czech online store with delivery in 2 days...
http://www.czechcomputer.cz/product.jsp?artno=56218
New to the site, very impressed with all the info and help !
Talking about help :D
I've got my Q9450 to 3.3Ghz on air so far and am having a few issues priming it, i get to about 3 - 4hrs and Vista 32bit freezes :confused:
I've been slowly upping the FSB Term and CPU GTL and it doesn't seem to be helping, didn't want to up the Volts of the CPU and NB anymore if possible.
Settings so far are
FSB Clock - 1650
DRAM - 900
CPU Ratio - 8
CPU Volts - 0.1250 (CPUZ = 1.26 idle, 1.22 load)
DRAM Volts - 2.20
NB Volts - 1.4
CPU GTL Ref Volts - 0.861 (think, will check)
NB GTL Ref Volts - 0.851
FSB Term Volts - 1.281
Everything else on Auto, all the usuals in BIOS are disabled.
OCCT's 1 hour runs fine, did multiple times, Temps with room temp of 18c get to 48c with Real Temp.
Question is do i need to keep playing with the FSB Term Volts and CPU GTL Ref Volts or am i heading in the wrong direction ???
Cheers
To be honest Leeroy, you may not be able to push much further without upping the vcore some more.Very good results with that little voltage :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeroy
Cheers LoonymQuote:
Originally Posted by loonym
Guess i'll have to up the vcore a bit more to gain some Prime stability, just trying to keep the temps down :rolleyes:
Running BIOS 1.1 and have noticed that when i up the FSB Term V, the CPU GTL Ref V goes up automatically, however if the CPU GTL Ref V is up too high it doesn't happen.
Haven't noticed this thoughout this thread so i'd thought i'd mention it.
Hi guys! This is my first post and I'd love if you could help me with a few things! I'm not a complete moron(;P) but there's something that is buggin' me with my brand new computer.
I get these freakish random reboots and I'm not sure what can cause them. Although nothing seems to be wrong in prime95, memtest and Everest doesn't show anything specific either.
I've tried to swap the RAM modules and only using one.
I've tried switching to another PSU.
I've tried with another graphics card.
I've tried in all kids of operative systems and live-cd's.
But nothing seems to help!
After a good hour of "googling" I read that it might be the motherboard that doesn't set the voltages right. So. Here I am, trying to figure out how to flash my BIOS with the new beta version available on MSI's forum (that I read in the first post in this thread). I tried to flash with my USB memory stick, but I get a message telling me that the partitions are faulty. Is there any way I might flash with a floppy disk instead?! I know how to make a start-disk but where do I put the BIOS? :o
Please, I'm kinda desperate for help here! Is there someone that has had the exact(or same) problem that I have? And do you have a solution?! : (
My specs are:
Motherboard: MSI P7N Diamond, nForce-780i
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz
RAM: Corsair TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF Dominator 2x2048MB (with the fan)
GFX: XFX GeForce 9800GTX 740M 512MB XXX
PSU: CORSAIR TX 750W (ought to give my system more than enough power!)
HDD: Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10000rpm 16MB cache
Also: I'm sorry for my typing, I'm Swedish so there's probably a few errors.
:welcome:
I flashed my BIOS to Official 1.1 with a Floppy, put the BIOS stuff on one floppy and used a boot disk to startup, swapped floppies and flashed the BIOS :D
Not the recommended way but it worked :rolleyes:
Hi Peeps !!
Does anyone have any 4GHZ settings for a Q6600 yet ?
I can be at 3.6 ghz all day but struggle to go any higher, i have had a 3.78GHZ but it wouldnt pass prime testing :(
im running aQ6600 @ 3.6 at 1800 x 8 vcore +.235 on bios with a 1.250 vid
1.475 NB 1.55 SB FSB term .879 v...
Im getting some really good 3dmark 06 scores 18500 with two 8800GT in SLI and prime is stable for like ever !!!:yepp: ( Im saving for two 280 GTX`s) that should kick ass !!:D
Also does anyone have the new dtek fusion V2 ?? im gettin some weird readings for the temps, ihave two cores running 6-7 deg C higher than the other...is this ok?? or am i gonna fry something ????
I flash with a floppy drive too. Just the way Leeroy described it.Boot with one disk, flash util and bios on a second disk. aelgen, I have had random reboot issues early on with this board but that was all several bios releases ago and I haven't even thought about it for at least 2-3 months. Are you certain you have correct ram timings and voltage? Some ram won't stabilize with 1T command rate and there are a couple bios' for this board that set that as default.
>|S|<blaster, nice that you're finding that easy 3.6ghz oc with your quad, that's as it should be :D 4ghz is a lofty goal and I hope you achieve it. Personally I'm not willing to pump the volts into my cpus that I know is needed to run like that 24/7, although on good water I might be a bit more daring. I routinely run 4ghz+ for benching fun whether it be on the x3360/q9550 or the q6600's but stabilizing for daily operation at those frequencies is something I haven't tried with my modest air cooling. It's not out of the ordinary for 1 or more cores to run at different temps from the others. I see it all the time on my setups and there are people that report cores that vary as much as 10c. At first I didn't like it but now I simply ignore it as an intel quirk. For awhile I carefully calibrated realtemp to average the temps out but now I don't even bother with that although it works well.
LoonyM....
This may sound daft but if i have the 4 pin power cable in at the moment for 12v and i have the 8 pin cable available, would it be better to use that one and if so what differance does it make ????:rolleyes:
By all means use the 8pin if it's available to you. I'm quite certain that power socket supplies the cpu socket exclusively so you may find it easier to stabilize using the 8 vs 4pin.
I still have BIOS 1.0.. and everything is at default (auto) settings. I have no clue what ram timings I should have. The voltages listed on Corsair's web page says 2,20 V. But I have the default value of 1,80 V. (I think)Quote:
Originally Posted by loonym
Would it be safer to up the voltages a bit or do you recommend that I flash bios to the latest beta? (would also be great if someone can link to some flash-utility with a brief explanation how I should go about doing it! :p)
Thanks for the response.
Hi, my first post here. Just so as you know, the P7N2 Diamond is now available in the u.k. I was at a computer fair on 29.06.08 in Woking, and the guy's there had 2 of them on there table. I could tell you who had them, but i dont want to infringe any sort of advertising rules, (especially on my first post), but feel free to PM if you want to know who has them.However, im pretty sure they will be everywhere in the next few days. The board looks very clean, and according to the retailer i spoke to, "has all the features of the striker extreme, with none of the problems!", thats what he told me anyway. I nearly bought the thing, but was really after the striker extreme myself, but im now wondering if this board would be a great alternative. Just thought i'd post a heads up for you anyway, and i hope it helps.
Hi everyone,
Sorry for the lack of participation recently. Other parts of my life have taken over atm and I've had very little time to tweak or otherwise enjoy this hobby of mine. As the originator of this thread, I do want to point out however that messages should stay related to the original P7N Diamond. The P7N2 is based on a different chipset with different characteristics and will likely contain a different BIOS. The information we've compiled in this thread about the 780i P7N is fantastic, but it can easily become confused with information from another board (as if the P7N wasn't confusing enough.) When the P7N2 becomes widely available, I'm sure a similar thread will be started on XS dedicated to that particular board (if one hasn't already.)
Thanks!
Hi, i didn't played with this board for the whoole weekend as i've sold the dfi mobo and the q6600. I've just putted a q6700 on this mobo and have some strange issue. First of all i've cleared cmos with the apposite button, and entered bios to set everything at default, f10, saved and waited win to boot and...the system restarted!
Cleared cmos again, checked all parameters and restarted win again...another reset...what's wrong with it?
As i've heard somebody else having problems with default settings, i tried one the latest stable config found for the q6600 with this board, nothing special, just the first oc settings i've found stable (bios 1.2b1):
CPU Multi X9, FSB 1360, RAM 680, NB 1.225, CPU GTL 0.833, FSB 1.250v and a little bump of +0.025 on the CPU just to give some margin. Saved bios, passed POST and started loading windows...and another reset!
But this time i've noticed that while i've setted a x9 multi in bios, during post it displayed a x10, so i've ended with a 3.4 Ghz oc instead of a 3.06 Ghz!
Entered bios again and checked againg: x9. Saved and restarted and x10 again! What's wrong? Tried even to change to x8 and saved, but after restart the same x10 was displayed during POST.
So: is it a bios bug? Can't change multi with a q6700?