$142 for a gig of UTT? Hello impulse buy :p, hell DDR Booster is only $40 more, $180 total; still less than the Patriot TCCD BP 1gb
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$142 for a gig of UTT? Hello impulse buy :p, hell DDR Booster is only $40 more, $180 total; still less than the Patriot TCCD BP 1gb
I guess newegg has the utt in stock.. i might have to gamble again.
and the price of the speed premiums on newegg just went DOWN... thats surprising. still out of stock though.
to make way for the new DDR450 BH5 maybe :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pik-ard v1.1
yep, that those of us that jumped at this have missed. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
godsa we have same TWINMOS!!!!
05034
W00T
tell me what you hit max with 3.3 please
I've read the entire thread froms start to finish, and I think I've got all the different signs:
Two dots on the chips
AA4T(not AADT)
Metal Staple like things at the side of the chips
44,50 or 60D at the end of the third line of code on the chips
A small hole in the bottom left of the chips
Are these things all correct, and are there any other specific things to look out for that are exclusively on ram with UTT chips? Also, are all speed premiums definately winbond UTT, or have some been not so?
all the characteristics are correct,Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
advantage of speed premium sticks is that those usually have 44D chips on them, with which you have a bigger chance to OC further than with 50D or 66D chips.
Both regular TwinMos and speed premium sticks come in two flavours, with winbond utt chips or with PSC chips.
So always ask which chips are on the sticks you're gonna buy :)
I've decided to sell my 1 GB kit of Speed Premium with a DDR Booster. My CPU can do more than 2500 mhz but my ram won't go over 250 2-2-2-5 at 3.5V. I guess I'll keep with my TCCD than.
Is there a thread somewhere explaining TCCD ram, I've just got back into ram and am utterly lost :(
Tedy Wrote:[quote]godsa we have same TWINMOS!!!!
05034
W00T
tell me what you hit max with 3.3 please
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I will but for now Im out of commision..My an7 board was sold...and my Dfi is on its way from New egg but as soon as I get it..I need to send it out for mods..
So not for a week or more..
Tedy..U got 245..or is it higher now?
Here are a couple of links to short articles that might be of interest to those following the Winbond UTT story. It might also shed some light into the recent drop in listed price for the TwinMOS, as well as many of the other value rams currently available.
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Ma...ages=A4&seq=12
http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050201B2058.html
http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050131A4011.html
godsa nope 245 2-2-2-11 DC 3.3 ....10 errors in 7 hours #5.
Winbond selling unlabelled DRAM chips in the spot marketQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Not sure how to interpret this story. Is there a problem with the chips being sold on the spot market? Is there a problem with the .11 process outside of the yields? Winbond spokesperson uses the word "if" and the phrase "most likely" when denying the rumor they were allegedy selling .11 process chips rejected by Infineon. Hopefully all is well and real story is Infineon rejected the chips due to a soft market and with a wink and a nudge to Winbond, let them sell them on the spot market. ;)
Does anyone have a darker vision of what transpired?
Glad you made it this far in to the thread. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
TCCD is now somewhat more of a closed book so there are fewer active and vast "OMG!!1!" threads dedicated to it, although recent sporadic reports of results at high VDIMMs may refresh the issue.
Suffice to say that at this time many of the major names in 'enthusiast' RAM are putting out very similar products, generally employing one of two BrainPower PCB revisions.
In most cases the quality difference is attributed to how stringent the speed-binning process is, although as always Lady Luck plays a major role too.
Sorry to ask, but what is "speed-binning"?
speed-binning = burning ram aka finding high fsb chips
The selection process whereby chips are filtered in terms of their performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
i.e. In the case of G.Skill and their 4800/4400 LA/LE/L... sticks.
Same PCBs, same TCCD chips but a variety of performance ratings allocated by the quality/determined performance of the IC used.
TEDY:You think its your chipset right?Quote:
godsa nope 245 2-2-2-11 DC 3.3 ....10 errors in 7 hours #5.
3.4 You could probally get 250 easy.. 10 errors in 7 hours is nothing ;)
I just got my 2x512Mb sticks of WB UTT (That the shop called them)
They are of the brand V-Data and on the chips it says:
============
V-Data
40503
VDD8608A8A-5B
============
I plugged them in and booted up in the same settings at my 2x256mb BH-5 whitch is 260 10-2-2-2-9-12 1T 3.36v but i couldnt get in to windows, it just reboots when checking the sata raid driver or something (and i dont have any sata drives) so i tried the settings 10-2-2-2-10-15 and then it worked fine :)
A screen shoot of it, totaly stable:
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f..._3.36v_nr2.bmp
And here is another one but it isnt 100% stable yet, but iam working on it :)
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f...2_1T_3.56v.bmp
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vdata as in value adata ram. I had this assumption in the beginning of this thread. I called Adata and they told me they weren't using utt. pretty new dates on those? maybe something has changed since then.
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Originally Posted by specofdust
There is a whole series of articles and review over at AnandTech that cover TCCD, from its first debut in Corsair PC3200 to the latest implementations. The link below is to the first article which introduces Samsung's TCCD chips. You can entertain yourself for hours reading those reviews, plus others spread across the net. The one thing that has always puzzled me is that everyone of the major module makers has at least one product featuring the Samsung TCCD chip. Everyone except Samsung, that is. Has anyone ever seen a Original Samsung TCCD module, outside of the one pictured in the Anandtech review? Perhaps they decided they could make just as much or more money by selling the ICs to others.
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2082&p=3
i dont think vdata and adata are the same company... in most stores that sell both they are under different manufacturer headingsQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
@ wez , very nice clocks there! :) how about a 1M superpi?
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Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Actually, they are the same company. Look under the "Multiple Brand Strategy" caption part way down the linked "article". It names both brands.
http://www.adata.com.tw/en/news/newsroom002.htm
Speaking of value ram and UTT keeps bringing me back to a topic that has surfaced every now and then, but has never really been pursued or resolved, or at least if it was, I missed it. If Winbond is selling UTT, which are either the excess or the cast-off chips that Infineon did not take, then what about the chips Infineon did take? Has anyone run across any of these and tested them to see if they perform like these TM? Logic would dictate that they should. After all, OCZ has used these excess chips in their PC2700 Value Series, Kingston uses them in their KVR PC3200 and both of these ramp up pretty good so if these are the cast-offs, then shouldn't the Infineon "keepers" perform even better, or at least as good, at high voltages?
I just saw some Infineon based PC2700 ram with codes ending in BT-6 (new with 0503 mfg date), but it did not have the Winbond physical attributes (dimples, etc). Would they look different or should they look like the UTT?
Anyone tested the Infineons?