ASUS P5W DH - Problems + Fixes Thread

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01-18-2008, 11:07 PM
ppcli

lol i wish the crash free bios worked.i went threw the floppy then usb, before i made the call to asus.had a new bios chip in 20 hours.now i want to see if evga gets the new 780i back from rma as fast.that was just throwing 300. out the window.
01-18-2008, 11:57 PM
w2richwood

Quote:

Originally Posted by whoodiestyle

Can anyone help me and tell me how I set up raid0 on this? I just bought another 150gb raptor and want to install vista but I cant even get the board to detect the drives. Got them plugged in the ez_raid1 and ez_raid2??

hmm never mind I think I got it working now was looking at the wrong things in the manual

the intel raido works much better ports 1 n 3
01-19-2008, 04:43 AM
MacClipper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khaotic

This sounds to me like the nasty PEG LINK mode option in the BIOS is affecting these cards even before any serious 3D Function calls are being made.
If you don't already know - PEG LINK is feature on nearly all boards, just called different things by different vendors, but it overclocks the card at boot-up and its handled by the motherboard. It handles nVidia and ATI cards differently. In my experience, it's never been a good thing. If you're running the "entire" system at stock/default levels - sure it can help. But, who the heck does that? Go into the BIOS and turn that nasty PEG LINK mode to NORMAL and see how things go then.

Some contrary findings today.

I had been setting the Link Mode to Normal for the past 1.5 years following the advice of many on the www till I ran into obvious hardware (?timing) issues with a Powercolor PCS 512MB HD3870 card today. The PC freezes even in Safe Mode and until the Link Mode was set back at Auto, I could not install the card at all.

Just in case someone stumbles over this one.
01-19-2008, 09:57 AM
Troop

Hi guys,

I just noticed a few days ago that my PC will boot by simply moving the mouse when the PC is fully shut down. I did not change anything in the BIOS, I have run virus and spyware scans etc.

I checked the BIOS for WAKE on LAN type settings and unless I missed something, everything seems to be disabled. What am I missing here or does anyone have any ideas?

I am running Windows Vista Business edition, 32bit, and using BIOS version 2302. Should I upgrade? Also, what is the best way to upgrade the BIOS? I was using the software that came with the mobo, but I have read here that some folks have had problems using it.

Any help/ideas on this strange problem would be appreciated. Thanks, and let me know if you need more information.
01-19-2008, 10:12 AM
~aoe~

I know this may be a stupid question, but are you actually using the 'Shut Down' option in Vista or the button that looks like a broken circle with the vertical line at the top (same icon as the WinXP shut down icon)?

I ask because the first few times I used vista, I thought this icon was the shut down (the WinXP shut down icon is the same), but it's actually a hibernate function that saves your session and puts the PC into a low power state.

If you're hibernating, then mouse movement will reactivate the PC. I've started using this option as startup is much quicker, and I will now only 'Shut Down' around once a week.
01-19-2008, 10:43 AM
whoodiestyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~aoe~

I know this may be a stupid question, but are you actually using the 'Shut Down' option in Vista or the button that looks like a broken circle with the vertical line at the top (same icon as the WinXP shut down icon)?

I ask because the first few times I used vista, I thought this icon was the shut down (the WinXP shut down icon is the same), but it's actually a hibernate function that saves your session and puts the PC into a low power state.

If you're hibernating, then mouse movement will reactivate the PC. I've started using this option as startup is much quicker, and I will now only 'Shut Down' around once a week.

haha same here i thought that was the power off button in vista. but i never shut my pc off anyways unless im installing new hardware, power failure or restarts for updates.
01-19-2008, 02:50 PM
~aoe~

Just thought of another possibility. If it's a USB mouse plugged into either of the 2 lower USB ports (the ones for use with the remote), then mouse movement could create a signal sufficient to trigger a system power up. I noticed when I removed a mouse attached to one of these USB ports that my system powers up. Obvious solution to this problem is to use one of the 2 top USB ports.
01-20-2008, 01:20 PM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~aoe~

Obvious solution to this problem is to use one of the 2 top USB ports.

That's the only solution, as far as I'm aware.

There's also an option to disable Digital Home mode in the Bios, but it worked on some BIOS' and not on others.... can't remember which ones though sorry.
01-20-2008, 07:17 PM
Troop

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~aoe~

Just thought of another possibility. If it's a USB mouse plugged into either of the 2 lower USB ports (the ones for use with the remote), then mouse movement could create a signal sufficient to trigger a system power up. I noticed when I removed a mouse attached to one of these USB ports that my system powers up. Obvious solution to this problem is to use one of the 2 top USB ports.

Just wanted to say thanks so much. That was exactly it! Moved the mouse to the top USB port and voila, no mysterious start up upon moving the mouse.

Cheers man.

So what BIOS are you guys running these days for stability purposes? The latest and greatest or no?
01-21-2008, 10:53 PM
rvltion909

:brick:

So my box was built for strictly DAW purposes. I run some pretty CPU heavy audio plug-ins (VST) and recently picked up a Q6600 to help take some of the load off. I planned to overclock it to 3.0G and although I've been able to do so...sort of... my temps seem VERY high (as in dead CPU high)!

I set the CPU to run @ 333 MHz and the lowest VCORE option (around 1.2)

My RAM says its designed to run at 1.9V 5-5-5-12 ...so I set it at that with a corresponding 667 MHz.

It posted fine and CoreTemp showed idle temps at 48-50 degrees

Next, I ran the latest version of Prime 95. Then saw the cores shoot up to 60,70 then 80....I stopped it when it hit 82 (it had run under 1 min)

The "small fft" test shot all cores up to 82 within about 6 seconds and caused a reboot.

I see posts here for load temps at around high 60's-low 70's and idle temps in the 30's. I hear people running Prime 95 for about 30min-an hour. I wouldn’t dare running it for more than a couple mins at this point.

I must be doing something wrong. I've got six friggn fans running on this thing not including the cpu fan.

Im considering "lapping" the CPU but Im not sure I want to take a risk like that yet. My temps seem to be so extreme from most of the specs I see here that I must be missing something. I might go out and get some Artic Silver (Im using some random Radio Shack knock off ATM) but I dont think that will make a 10+ degree difference.

Im actually pretty disappointed with the board (for OC purposes). Looking at Tomshardware.com I could have spent half the price and gotten MUCH better OC specs (according to their Q6600 testing) if I would have gone with an MSI.

Any ideas guys?
01-21-2008, 11:37 PM
t_ski

I think part of the problem may be the Freezer Pro heatsink. Are you sure that's enough for a Quad? I'd think you'd need something bigger than that if you want to OC.

Have you checked CPU temps in the BIOS? Is that a B3 or G0 quad core CPU? Are you sure the heatsink mount is secure?
01-22-2008, 12:57 AM
secretworld

DAW also

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvltion909

:brick:

So my box was built for strictly DAW purposes. I run some pretty CPU heavy audio plug-ins (VST) and recently picked up a Q6600 to help take some of the load off. I planned to overclock it to 3.0G and although I've been able to do so...sort of... my temps seem VERY high (as in dead CPU high)!

I set the CPU to run @ 333 MHz and the lowest VCORE option (around 1.2)

My RAM says its designed to run at 1.9V 5-5-5-12 ...so I set it at that with a corresponding 667 MHz.

It posted fine and CoreTemp showed idle temps at 48-50 degrees

Next, I ran the latest version of Prime 95. Then saw the cores shoot up to 60,70 then 80....I stopped it when it hit 82 (it had run under 1 min)

The "small fft" test shot all cores up to 82 within about 6 seconds and caused a reboot.

I see posts here for load temps at around high 60's-low 70's and idle temps in the 30's. I hear people running Prime 95 for about 30min-an hour. I wouldn’t dare running it for more than a couple mins at this point.

I must be doing something wrong. I've got six friggn fans running on this thing not including the cpu fan.

Im considering "lapping" the CPU but Im not sure I want to take a risk like that yet. My temps seem to be so extreme from most of the specs I see here that I must be missing something. I might go out and get some Artic Silver (Im using some random Radio Shack knock off ATM) but I dont think that will make a 10+ degree difference.

Im actually pretty disappointed with the board (for OC purposes). Looking at Tomshardware.com I could have spent half the price and gotten MUCH better OC specs (according to their Q6600 testing) if I would have gone with an MSI.

Any ideas guys?

I´m running mine as a DAW too, with a zalmann 9500 cooler and artic silver5. Under full load I get low 60´s core temperature, at the moment @340 fsb, 350 is stable too, only the onboard network starts generating errors (any ideas anybody? I run @ stock voltages)
If you havn´t upped the voltage, I guess the high temps mean the heatsink is either to small or isn´t seated properly.
Good luck!

winxp pro sp2
P5W DH deluxe FSB340 All V auto
Conroe Q6600 G0 @3.06
"gb corsair XMS2C4 @4-4-4-12-5 2.1v 4:5 850mhz
Ati 2400pro + 2X17"
01-22-2008, 01:57 AM
xMrBunglex

i ordered a Wolfdale E8400 today and wanted to know if i have to update my BIOS to run it. i currently have ver. 2205 now and see no need to flash if i don't have to. anybody know?
01-22-2008, 04:18 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

@xMrBunglex: You must have the latest Bios to support Penryn with this mobo.. check bios menu on Asus Homepage under our Mobo's download link

@secretworld: what do you mean "Network card generating problems"?
01-22-2008, 06:38 AM
secretworld

Thanks for asking P5WDHdeluxe!
If I open or copy a large winrar (*.rar) file over my home gigabit network I get CRC errors. Roughly 3 per gigabyte (ok not many but it just doesn´t work like that).
Things I have tried without success;
Switched from lan 1 to lan 2 port
Changed cable
loosened memory timings,
raised ram voltage
raised cpu voltage
Switched back to 100mbit
pcie fixed @100 and auto
(pci is fixed @33)

What did help is lowering the FSB from 350 to 340.
@350 the pc is 4X prime (all cores ~60°c) stable and memtest (on floppy) stable.
Vincent
01-22-2008, 09:12 AM
Falkentyne

Those high temps show that you have a bad mount. Reseat the heatsink immediately. You should not have 80C temps within 6 seconds, even with an abysmal heatsink.
01-22-2008, 09:52 AM
DrSlump

Quote:

Originally Posted by secretworld

Thanks for asking P5WDHdeluxe!
If I open or copy a large winrar (*.rar) file over my home gigabit network I get CRC errors. Roughly 3 per gigabyte (ok not many but it just doesn´t work like that).
Things I have tried without success;
Switched from lan 1 to lan 2 port
Changed cable
loosened memory timings,
raised ram voltage
raised cpu voltage
Switched back to 100mbit
pcie fixed @100 and auto
(pci is fixed @33)

What did help is lowering the FSB from 350 to 340.
@350 the pc is 4X prime (all cores ~60°c) stable and memtest (on floppy) stable.
Vincent

What kind of cable are tou using?
Keep in mind that for 1000Mbit you should use:
Cat5/e or Cat6, generally a screened cable.
It's olso good to keep away the cable from powerline.
01-22-2008, 11:11 AM
secretworld

Sure, as I said Lowering the FSB to 340 cures it so it seems that altough the network adapters are on the pcie bus, they are not influenced by the fixed pcie ratio, or the receiving chip is crapping out.
01-22-2008, 01:22 PM
rvltion909

Quote:

Originally Posted by secretworld

I´m running mine as a DAW too, with a zalmann 9500 cooler and artic silver5. Under full load I get low 60´s core temperature, at the moment @340 fsb, 350 is stable too, only the onboard network starts generating errors (any ideas anybody? I run @ stock voltages)
If you havn´t upped the voltage, I guess the high temps mean the heatsink is either to small or isn´t seated properly.
Good luck!

I think I will pick up some Artic Silver, and actually try popping the board out of the case and make sure its seated properly since I cant see a whole hell of allot besides the top of it (anybody else have as much trouble as I did trying to get that damn heat sink on there…that twist/turn clip technology is simply genius…..)

T Ski it’s a G0. Sorry, I should have mentioned that.
01-22-2008, 06:52 PM
xMrBunglex

just installed BIOS 2504 and put in my new Wolfdale E8400 and i can't say i'm very happy right now. vCore options are either Auto or 1.45-1.70. wtfrig were they thinking?

Auto has it running at 1.225, which is really too low to overclock with. 1.45 scares me with a brand new 45nm CPU. i just wanted to put this up here to see if anyone knows something i don't.
01-22-2008, 06:55 PM
S1mon-

Bunglex, with 1,225V, you should get something between 3,6-4GHz :cool:
01-22-2008, 08:01 PM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by S1mon-

Bunglex, with 1,225V, you should get something between 3,6-4GHz :cool:

you're right. i did a CMOS reset with the new CPU and didn't have my north bridge volts set right. while i would like the next BIOS to fix this awful situation, i'm now running stable at 3.6 with Vcore on auto (1.225 V). i don't think my motherboard wants to go beyond 415 FSB, but i'd like to try with this new CPU and see what i can do.

for now, i score 16,786 on 3DMark06:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4845175
01-22-2008, 09:17 PM
S1mon-

Quote:

Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

you're right. i did a CMOS reset with the new CPU and didn't have my north bridge volts set right. while i would like the next BIOS to fix this awful situation, i'm now running stable at 3.6 with Vcore on auto (1.225 V). i don't think my motherboard wants to go beyond 415 FSB, but i'd like to try with this new CPU and see what i can do.

for now, i score 16,786 on 3DMark06:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4845175

Yup, I used to have a P5W DH Deluxe and it wouldn't be stable at all above 410 FSB with 1,65 vMCH... I had the first revision of the board so there's was nothing I could do except modding it...
01-22-2008, 10:05 PM
xMrBunglex

i did some tweaking and got it up to 3.825 GHz (425*9). the motherboard definitely is the weak link. Vcore was only 1.225 so i know the CPU has tons of headroom.

i had to crank all my chipset volts all the way up to hit 425 FSB. i did a 3DMark06 run of 17,606 then put it back. i can't afford to fry this mobo right now. so i'm doing 400*9 stable with lower chipset volts. this will have to be my speed until i can afford an X38.

thanks for all the help, S1mon and P5W. i appreciate it.
01-22-2008, 10:36 PM
whoodiestyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

i did some tweaking and got it up to 3.825 GHz (425*9). the motherboard definitely is the weak link. Vcore was only 1.225 so i know the CPU has tons of headroom.

i had to crank all my chipset volts all the way up to hit 425 FSB. i did a 3DMark06 run of 17,606 then put it back. i can't afford to fry this mobo right now. so i'm doing 400*9 stable with lower chipset volts. this will have to be my speed until i can afford an X38.

thanks for all the help, S1mon and P5W. i appreciate it.

lucky you my board cant even pass 380 fsb maxxed out chipset volts :( early adopter got me good and hit my wallet quite hard for a crappy board
01-23-2008, 05:10 AM
t_ski

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvltion909

I think I will pick up some Artic Silver, and actually try popping the board out of the case and make sure its seated properly since I cant see a whole hell of allot besides the top of it (anybody else have as much trouble as I did trying to get that damn heat sink on there…that twist/turn clip technology is simply genius…..)

T Ski it’s a G0. Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

Yeah, if it's a G0 temps should be real low. I'd have to agree that it's probably the mount then.
01-23-2008, 07:24 AM
JustusIV

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but, i am buying the E8400 from new egg as we speak for my Asus P5W DH Deluxe, but i am wondering what ram i should buy with this? i plan to over clock a bit but not to the extreme.
01-23-2008, 09:25 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

Ballistic Crucial is my opinion...
01-23-2008, 11:03 AM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but, i am buying the E8400 from new egg as we speak for my Asus P5W DH Deluxe, but i am wondering what ram i should buy with this? i plan to over clock a bit but not to the extreme.

you shouldn't need more than DDR2 800 with this motherboard. the P5W just can't hit really high FSB. my motherboard is the weak link in my system for overclocking. my G.Skill DDR2 800 HK's can run faster than my mobo.
01-23-2008, 11:30 AM
JustusIV

bought "G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ" I will post results
01-23-2008, 09:52 PM
JimmyDDD

hey lawrywild, I used the same configuration as yours, but I am having problems. My temperature of my cpu and motherboard is at most 81 F. But for some reason it randomly reboots my pc and when i go to vista x64 to see what is going on, it never even lists a reason for the cause of the random reboot. any advice on what is going on and what I can do to fix this? Thanks
01-23-2008, 10:30 PM
Random Murderer

Jimmy, what BIOS are you using? there was a somewhat recent BIOS that addressed some Vista related issues.
01-23-2008, 11:07 PM
JimmyDDD

2504, i looked at bios updates but did not see any mention of that
01-23-2008, 11:56 PM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyDDD

2504, i looked at bios updates but did not see any mention of that

the BIOS that had the fix was 1707, so you have the fix.
It's probably BSOD'ing, if you don't have it set up correctly the BSOD won't even show, your PC will just reboot. I forgot how to set it so it doesn't reboot, but a quick google search should remedy that.
01-24-2008, 12:57 AM
~aoe~

In System Properties, Advanced tab, Startup and Recovery settings, uncheck 'Automatically restart' in the System failure section.
01-24-2008, 02:01 AM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

Sorry if this is a bit off topic but, i am buying the E8400 from new egg as we speak for my Asus P5W DH Deluxe, but i am wondering what ram i should buy with this? i plan to over clock a bit but not to the extreme.

Many people have used G-skill on this thread (Me included). I'm using the 6400 HZ and can definitely recommend them. They give you lots of headroom, mine go as far as 1000 Mhz 5-5-5-15, I generally keep them around 834Mhz @ 4-4-4-4 though.
01-24-2008, 02:26 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

[1] While doing an average o/c i.e E6600 from 2.4 to 3.0 GHZ with this board is a good idea to disable Hyperpath & Dram Throttle?
I don't get why we should disable these 2 options but in several forums it is written that they should be off? Being Enabled these 2, is there any chance of damaging smthg?

This is an old question of mine still without answer..
anythin' on that?
01-24-2008, 03:18 AM
MacClipper

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

This is an old question of mine still without answer..
anythin' on that?

You can try leaving them enabled but do test for rig stability cos they are probably intended to make the system faster (iirc Hyperpath tightens timings) if your components are up to scratch.

HTH.
01-24-2008, 03:20 AM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

This is an old question of mine still without answer..
anythin' on that?

not a chance on damaging something, but throttling should be disabled for performance's sake.
Hyperpath doesn't really matter unless you hit an fsb wall.
:up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacClipper

(iirc Hyperpath tightens timings)

sort of... it changes the boot strap of the north bridge and limits the fsb by doing so.
01-24-2008, 05:15 AM
mister_no

Here an new bios with Yorkfield-Support; made by me!

http://rapidshare.com/files/86220167...field.rom.html
01-24-2008, 05:29 AM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

This is an old question of mine still without answer..
anythin' on that?

Alot of the hints & tips for overclocking this board date back to when it was released when there were alot of problems o/c'ing the board due to bad bios'.

I've played around with both settings from BIOS 2004+ as I've only been using this board since September 07 and they never effected my performance.
01-24-2008, 05:55 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

thanks alot guys for your answers!
i would also to ask if there are some "Must Do" settings for every o/cing situtation for our board.

i.e "Must Do":
Pci-E: 100
Pci clock synch: 33.33

Are there any others for a safe and harmless o/c?
01-24-2008, 06:19 AM
secretworld

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

thanks alot guys for your answers!
i would also to ask if there are some "Must Do" settings for every o/cing situtation for our board.

i.e "Must Do":
Pci-E: 100
Pci clock synch: 33.33

Are there any others for a safe and harmless o/c?

Beyond fsb290: Hyperpath3 disabled
01-24-2008, 06:31 AM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

thanks alot guys for your answers!
i would also to ask if there are some "Must Do" settings for every o/cing situtation for our board.

i.e "Must Do":
Pci-E: 100
Pci clock synch: 33.33

Are there any others for a safe and harmless o/c?

eh, i keep my pci-e bus between 110 and 115...
01-24-2008, 06:58 AM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

eh, i keep my pci-e bus between 110 and 115...

I second that, but only if I overclock my gfx card. It's more stable running at 110 compared to 100. But if your GFX card is stock I'd use 100.
01-24-2008, 07:43 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

i thought... for pci-e, everything above 100 is possible to harm (burn) your pci-e slot in a 24/7 oc/ed system because of the overvoltage on this slot....
01-24-2008, 07:57 AM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

i thought... for pci-e, everything above 100 is possible to harm (burn) your pci-e slot in a 24/7 oc/ed system....

?
never heard that. what i do know is that sometimes it adds stability to an overclock, so i do it whether the system needs it or not...
01-24-2008, 10:32 AM
t_ski

The only thing I have heard, is that if you set the PCI-e bus too high, it can mess with your SATA controller(s) and corrupt data.
01-24-2008, 01:51 PM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_ski

The only thing I have heard, is that if you set the PCI-e bus too high, it can mess with your SATA controller(s) and corrupt data.

Which is 100% true. Even worse if you're running RAID. I leave my pci-e at 100. Over 110 and you're taking a big risk.
01-24-2008, 03:20 PM
xMrBunglex

i tried 115 MHz on my P5W once and Windows wouldn't load. i have SATA RAID-0, so i put it right back to 100 MHz. i think only people with newer chipsets can overclock their PCI-E successfully anyway. 975X doesn't seem to like it.
01-24-2008, 08:07 PM
JimmyDDD

if you oc do you still set it to turbo or auto
01-24-2008, 09:14 PM
w2richwood

i sit mine to standard
Rich
01-24-2008, 11:18 PM
Cordite!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyDDD

if you oc do you still set it to turbo or auto

Trial and Error applies here mate.

Depends on system, CPU and RAM being used plus the height of the O/C.
01-24-2008, 11:20 PM
Cordite!

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

i thought... for pci-e, everything above 100 is possible to harm (burn) your pci-e slot in a 24/7 oc/ed system because of the overvoltage on this slot....

It's stressing it more, not overvolting it !

My pardon for not using multi-qote.. [blush]
01-25-2008, 09:19 AM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyDDD

if you oc do you still set it to turbo or auto

Another one of those "strange" Asus options. I haven't noticed any difference between standard or turbo (although I only tested this in 3dmark06). I think it only has an effect if you use the Asus A.I. Overclocking.

Can anyone alse confirm this?

For the record... I leave mine set on turbo.
01-25-2008, 11:43 AM
ASTROBOT

I'm just wondering if the P5W-DH-ASUS-Deluxe-2004-G0-45nm-Edition (Modified by lawrywild) support the new chip E8400 or E8500? If it does is it better than the 2504 bios? Thanks.
01-25-2008, 02:31 PM
JustusIV

I just got my e8400 in, is there any way to upgrade the bios without a floppy drive?
01-25-2008, 02:54 PM
P5WDHdeluxe

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

I just got my e8400 in, is there any way to upgrade the bios without a floppy drive?

Yes, through EZ Flash 2 with a usb key...
Check your manual for further details...
01-25-2008, 03:46 PM
speedyaxon

Hey guys, weird problem I'd appreciate any help on. Just flashed my Rev. 1.02g P5W to Bios 2406. Popped in a Q6700 and got into Windows. 4 cores show in the device manager. However, only 2 cores show up in the task manager. Also, in the advanced options in the boot.ini tab in WinXP Home, I only have a maximum of 2 processors.

CPU-Z recognizes as quad, so does device manager, but it seems like everything else is seeing it still as a dual-core. (I upgraded from an E6600). I'm set as a ACPI Multiprocessor in the device manager under computer, so that's not the problem.

Any ideas on what's going on? Thanks a ton!

edit: Got it solved. I was using a modified boot.ini that was somehow preventing Windows from using the other 2 cores. I selected originial boot.ini in msconfig, rebooted, and now I have all 4.
01-25-2008, 04:30 PM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

I just got my e8400 in, is there any way to upgrade the bios without a floppy drive?

just extract the BIOS and save it at the root directory of your C: drive. then you can enter the BIOS and flash it from there. it's the safest way to flash imo.

Speedy, i know a guy that upgraded from a dual core to a quad and he had to reinstall Windows to make all four cores run.
01-25-2008, 04:35 PM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

I just got my e8400 in, is there any way to upgrade the bios without a floppy drive?

yes, EZFlash is on your driver cd, it flashes from windows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedyaxon

Hey guys, weird problem I'd appreciate any help on. Just flashed my Rev. 1.02g P5W to Bios 2406. Popped in a Q6700 and got into Windows. 4 cores show in the device manager. However, only 2 cores show up in the task manager. Also, in the advanced options in the boot.ini tab in WinXP Home, I only have a maximum of 2 processors.

CPU-Z recognizes as quad, so does device manager, but it seems like everything else is seeing it still as a dual-core. (I upgraded from an E6600). I'm set as a ACPI Multiprocessor in the device manager under computer, so that's not the problem.

Any ideas on what's going on? Thanks a ton!

check bios and see if there's hyperthreading and toggle it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

Speedy, i know a guy that upgraded from a dual core to a quad and he had to reinstall Windows to make all four cores run.

well, you can do that, too.
when i upgraded from my dual to a quad it was picked up right away, but i have hyperhreading disabled in bios.
01-26-2008, 06:07 AM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

just extract the BIOS and save it at the root directory of your C: drive. then you can enter the BIOS and flash it from there. it's the safest way to flash imo.

Speedy, i know a guy that upgraded from a dual core to a quad and he had to reinstall Windows to make all four cores run.

Does that work? I was under the impression EZ Flash 2 can only read from FAT drives?
01-26-2008, 10:33 AM
Falkentyne

Ok guys, since no one has posted anything substantial about the LAST bios release, is BIOS 2504 worth using, or is it buggy and broken? The few posts I actually saw about this BIOS did not seem favorable at all.

And does 2504 actually detect the L2 cache on QX9650 correctly? (applications do and use it correctly (Tested in everest benchmarker, Sandra memory test, etc), but 2406 (and the one before 2406) show 0 KB, which seems to cause 3dmark to also show 0 KB :rofl:

And to the person talking about Larywild's bios,
I don't know if it works. It detected 400 something mhz for my QX9650 and completely failed to boot the system past BIOS (lockup on NVRAM if attempting to use default settings, or NO POST after trying to save and exit settings). I was able to flash to 2302 within the BIOS, though. 2004 is stable *if* it works, but i would rather use at LEAST 2302, if not 2406.
01-26-2008, 12:48 PM
freeza

Question.

I just picked up an E8400 the other day, oc'd to 3.6 ghz right off the bat with 400*9, okay here's the deal.

I have g.skill pc2-6400 ram 4x2GB (8GB) and i can't seem to make the board run stable @ its rated speed (800 mhz), i have to underclock it to 600 mhz to get it working fine. i even upped ram voltages to 2.05 and still not very stable. Is this a known issue when filling all the ram slots up and/or maxing out the ram capabilities of this motherboard? Should dram thermal throttling be disabled? because it is set at auto and hyperpath 3 is set to disable, and SPD timings are set to auto because nothing else would work.
01-26-2008, 01:47 PM
Lurker246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne

Ok guys, since no one has posted anything substantial about the LAST bios release, is BIOS 2504 worth using, or is it buggy and broken? The few posts I actually saw about this BIOS did not seem favorable at all.

And does 2504 actually detect the L2 cache on QX9650 correctly? (applications do and use it correctly (Tested in everest benchmarker, Sandra memory test, etc), but 2406 (and the one before 2406) show 0 KB, which seems to cause 3dmark to also show 0 KB :rofl:

And to the person talking about Larywild's bios,
I don't know if it works. It detected 400 something mhz for my QX9650 and completely failed to boot the system past BIOS (lockup on NVRAM if attempting to use default settings, or NO POST after trying to save and exit settings). I was able to flash to 2302 within the BIOS, though. 2004 is stable *if* it works, but i would rather use at LEAST 2302, if not 2406.

I've been running 2504 for about a week. Folding 24/7 on 3 different OS' on various different days. It's been stable as a rock and folding is flying on gutsy 64bit.

I've only had a chance to play COD 4 on XP for a couple of hours, it's been fine when playing that as well.
01-26-2008, 03:46 PM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne

Ok guys, since no one has posted anything substantial about the LAST bios release, is BIOS 2504 worth using, or is it buggy and broken? The few posts I actually saw about this BIOS did not seem favorable at all.

And does 2504 actually detect the L2 cache on QX9650 correctly? (applications do and use it correctly (Tested in everest benchmarker, Sandra memory test, etc), but 2406 (and the one before 2406) show 0 KB, which seems to cause 3dmark to also show 0 KB :rofl:

And to the person talking about Larywild's bios,
I don't know if it works. It detected 400 something mhz for my QX9650 and completely failed to boot the system past BIOS (lockup on NVRAM if attempting to use default settings, or NO POST after trying to save and exit settings). I was able to flash to 2302 within the BIOS, though. 2004 is stable *if* it works, but i would rather use at LEAST 2302, if not 2406.

I'm using 2504, no problems here. it seems stable and way better than the previous bios i was on, 1707.
01-26-2008, 04:11 PM
rvltion909

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvltion909

:brick:

So my box was built for strictly DAW purposes. I run some pretty CPU heavy audio plug-ins (VST) and recently picked up a Q6600 to help take some of the load off. I planned to overclock it to 3.0G and although I've been able to do so...sort of... my temps seem VERY high (as in dead CPU high)!

I set the CPU to run @ 333 MHz and the lowest VCORE option (around 1.2)

My RAM says its designed to run at 1.9V 5-5-5-12 ...so I set it at that with a corresponding 667 MHz.

It posted fine and CoreTemp showed idle temps at 48-50 degrees

Next, I ran the latest version of Prime 95. Then saw the cores shoot up to 60,70 then 80....I stopped it when it hit 82 (it had run under 1 min)

The "small fft" test shot all cores up to 82 within about 6 seconds and caused a reboot.

I see posts here for load temps at around high 60's-low 70's and idle temps in the 30's. I hear people running Prime 95 for about 30min-an hour. I wouldn’t dare running it for more than a couple mins at this point.

I must be doing something wrong. I've got six friggn fans running on this thing not including the cpu fan.

Im considering "lapping" the CPU but Im not sure I want to take a risk like that yet. My temps seem to be so extreme from most of the specs I see here that I must be missing something. I might go out and get some Artic Silver (Im using some random Radio Shack knock off ATM) but I dont think that will make a 10+ degree difference.

Im actually pretty disappointed with the board (for OC purposes). Looking at Tomshardware.com I could have spent half the price and gotten MUCH better OC specs (according to their Q6600 testing) if I would have gone with an MSI.

Any ideas guys?

Got it! :yepp:

Yea...it was the heatsink setting. Im relatively new to this so...the way I set the thing was wrong (it wasnt even touching the CPU). The clips had not been locked in place. I still cant see the sense in this ancient technology sitting on a motherboard with a quadcore micro processor. :ROTF: Am I alone here? I actually wasnt able to lock one of them correctly. The amount of pressure I had to apply was ridiculous and I didnt want to chance breaking the damn board or CPU ( I saw the board begin to bend and collapse).

I literally spent about 5 hours disconnecting all the wires, removing all the screws, removing the old thermal compound, reapplying some new Artic Silver 5, placing the heatsink back in, putting the board back in the box, reconnecting all the wires, making a few more OC settings and stress testing for a bit.

My idle temp is now around 28-29. The Prime 95 stress testing reached about 50-51. I did a half ass "lapping" job on the heatsink (ran some sand paper in one direction for about 10min...the copper layer is still there but its very smooth...?)

I do have a couple questions though:

-I applied the Artic Silver 5 to the CPU and heatsink...is that ok/necessary?

-Is there any advantage or disadvantage to having the box laying on its side rather than right side up?

-After 3 minutes of Prime95 testing I received 1 error. After about 15min I moved the mouse around and got myself a reboot (any way to tell if this is due to a certain RAM setting or CPU specific?)

-I know LarryWild created the 2004 BIOS edit but I see he was not using is...? Was there any specific reason for that? Im running the most recent version on the ASUS site.

(My RAM is running at 1.9V The CPU is set to 333. VCore is set to the lowest option available)
01-26-2008, 04:13 PM
w2richwood

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeza

Question.

I just picked up an E8400 the other day, oc'd to 3.6 ghz right off the bat with 400*9, okay here's the deal.

I have g.skill pc2-6400 ram 4x2GB (8GB) and i can't seem to make the board run stable @ its rated speed (800 mhz), i have to underclock it to 600 mhz to get it working fine. i even upped ram voltages to 2.05 and still not very stable. Is this a known issue when filling all the ram slots up and/or maxing out the ram capabilities of this motherboard? Should dram thermal throttling be disabled? because it is set at auto and hyperpath 3 is set to disable, and SPD timings are set to auto because nothing else would work.

try uping your nb volts one bump
Rich
01-26-2008, 05:10 PM
alexlyc

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeza

Question.

I just picked up an E8400 the other day, oc'd to 3.6 ghz right off the bat with 400*9, okay here's the deal.

I have g.skill pc2-6400 ram 4x2GB (8GB) and i can't seem to make the board run stable @ its rated speed (800 mhz), i have to underclock it to 600 mhz to get it working fine. i even upped ram voltages to 2.05 and still not very stable. Is this a known issue when filling all the ram slots up and/or maxing out the ram capabilities of this motherboard? Should dram thermal throttling be disabled? because it is set at auto and hyperpath 3 is set to disable, and SPD timings are set to auto because nothing else would work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by w2richwood

try uping your nb volts one bump
Rich

Dont forget to cool down the nb, it will get hotter as you bump up the voltage. In my experience, the stock nb heatsink even with the included cooler isnt sufficient at stock voltage at all...
I tried 388 fsb with my Q6600 @ 1.35v, NB @ 1.65v, x9 multi, but I still haven't fully stabalize my system.
01-26-2008, 07:33 PM
JustusIV

I just wanted to say thanks for helping me get my bios updated to my 2504, i ended up just putting it on a flash key and booted into bios. My bios say the key as drive c and say the new bios on there and bam installed like butta. Anways i have my new e8400 installed and my new ram and heatsink and things are looking good the one concern i have right now is that my temps seem a bit funny. I am using speedfan 4.33 and these are my readings. Cpu 13c and AUX 122c and those never change during idle or load. I am assuming the AUX reading is just a fake reading that doesn't even really exist but why is my cpu always at 13c?
Anywho, you guys have been a big help in this adventure.
thank you.
01-26-2008, 07:34 PM
Random Murderer

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

I just wanted to say thanks for helping me get my bios updated to my 2504, i ended up just putting it on a flash key and booted into bios. My bios say the key as drive c and say the new bios on there and bam installed like butta. Anways i have my new e8400 installed and my new ram and heatsink and things are looking good the one concern i have right now is that my temps seem a bit funny. I am using speedfan 4.33 and these are my readings. Cpu 13c and AUX 122c and those never change during idle or load. I am assuming the AUX reading is just a fake reading that doesn't even really exist but why is my cpu always at 13c?
Anywho, you guys have been a big help in this adventure.
thank you.

eww, speedfan. try coretemp.
01-26-2008, 08:08 PM
JustusIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

eww, speedfan. try coretemp.

Thx for the tip. I installed coretemp with slightly different results my my temps are reading 46C for one core and 40-42c on second core under load or idle. Is this strange behavior or is a good heat sink really able to keep my temp that stable? its the ZALMAN CNPS9500

Code:

22:05:01 01/26/08 3001.21 46 41 22:05:02 01/26/08 3001.21 46 41 22:05:03 01/26/08 3001.21 46 42 22:05:04 01/26/08 3001.21 46 40 22:05:05 01/26/08 3001.21 46 40 22:05:06 01/26/08 3001.21 46 42 22:05:07 01/26/08 3001.21 46 41 22:05:08 01/26/08 3001.21 46 42 22:05:09 01/26/08 3001.21 46 41 22:05:10 01/26/08 3001.21 46 41 22:05:11 01/26/08 3001.21 46 41 22:05:12 01/26/08 3001.21 46 42

Here is a quick showing of coretemp log under orthos
01-26-2008, 08:15 PM
Random Murderer

that seems a bit high to me, especially for 45nm...
how much thermal paste did you use, and what kind?
01-26-2008, 10:53 PM
JustusIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

that seems a bit high to me, especially for 45nm...
how much thermal paste did you use, and what kind?

Artic silver
I think i put a bit much on but the odd part to me is the temp not moving between idle and full load.
01-26-2008, 11:44 PM
freeza

I upped the NB to 1.65 like yours, alexlyc. Should i up any of the other voltages too? such as ram, ICH, cpu or any others or leave it as is?
01-27-2008, 02:53 AM
MacClipper

Finally made use of the 2nd PCI-E slot again, HD3870 Crossfire done successfully.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4918330
01-27-2008, 03:03 AM
xMrBunglex

good stuff. now clock the hell out of them :D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4845817
01-27-2008, 03:49 AM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvltion909

-I know LarryWild created the 2004 BIOS edit but I see he was not using is...? Was there any specific reason for that? Im running the most recent version on the ASUS site.

I was using it with my Q6600 G0 for about 3 months but then upgraded to 2406 because it runs fine for me. 2205/2206 etc didn't which is why I made that bios.
01-27-2008, 08:04 AM
MacClipper

Quote:

Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

good stuff. now clock the hell out of them :D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4845817

I would but one of the cards seem to be giving me some trouble, would you kindly share your detailed PCI-E settings? I had to revert the PEG Link Mode to Auto else Windows would hang.
01-27-2008, 10:42 AM
JustusIV

Am i blind, i read the system memory and the bios section of the manual but havent seen it anywhere. I dont know how to set the speed of my memory i just installed two sticks of gskill 6400 but it detected it as 5300 or something. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks for all your help guys
JustusIV
01-27-2008, 11:37 AM
~aoe~

The reason POST reports PC2-5300 is because the stock FSB for your processor is 333MHz and this is what the FSB it's currently running at. It's just the way the memory is reported.

This is nothing to worry about. The memory is still rated for 400FSB.

To set the memory frequency, go to JumperFree configuration in the Advanced menu, then set AI Overclocking to Manual. You will then see the option DRAM Frequency. Here you can then set the required value.
01-27-2008, 04:49 PM
w2richwood

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

Am i blind, i read the system memory and the bios section of the manual but havent seen it anywhere. I dont know how to set the speed of my memory i just installed two sticks of gskill 6400 but it detected it as 5300 or something. Can someone point me in the right direction?
Thanks for all your help guys
JustusIV

1:1 is still best run your ram with fsb if your gonna oc
Rich
01-27-2008, 06:24 PM
xMrBunglex

to adjust your memory timings, go to Advanced / Chipset. disable Memory Timings by SPD and you'll be able to manually set your latencies if you want. this motherboard doesn't list the timings in order though. if CPU-Z shows timings as 1-2-3-4, you'll have to set them as 1-3-2-4 in this motherboard's BIOS.
01-27-2008, 09:56 PM
t_ski

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvltion909

I actually wasnt able to lock one of them correctly. The amount of pressure I had to apply was ridiculous and I didnt want to chance breaking the damn board or CPU ( I saw the board begin to bend and collapse).

That's very normal for the board to bend and bow. If it worries you, try mounting the heatsink with the board outside the case, where you can provide some extra support for the motherboard.

Quote:

I applied the Artic Silver 5 to the CPU and heatsink...is that ok/necessary?

No, it is not necessary. It is best to apply the compound directly as shown by Arctic Silver, which is a line across the cores.

Quote:

Is there any advantage or disadvantage to having the box laying on its side rather than right side up?

Are you talking about the computer case? No, there's no advantage. Most heatsinks today are designed to work either horizontally or vertically.

Quote:

After 3 minutes of Prime95 testing I received 1 error. After about 15min I moved the mouse around and got myself a reboot (any way to tell if this is due to a certain RAM setting or CPU specific?)

No, only by trial and error. Make one adjustment and test. If that doesn't work, change it back and try another. Don't change too much or you won't know what's messing things up.

Quote:

I know LarryWild created the 2004 BIOS edit but I see he was not using is...? Was there any specific reason for that? Im running the most recent version on the ASUS site.

I believe he just moved on to one of the later BIOS files, simply because it's working well for him, perhaps better than the 2004 in his case. Sometimes, same setups may like different BIOS files. I know this was the case back in several past motherboards...
01-28-2008, 12:58 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

i can't see in bios any option, if our cpu reach a specific temp.(i.e over 70c) our system to be shut down... how can i configure this one?
01-28-2008, 07:24 AM
mister_no

New Bios:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so.../P5WDH2602.zip
01-28-2008, 10:31 AM
PrinceFi

Hi,
I don't know what I'm doing wrong but something.

I'm always having this AUTO only in CPU Vcore in bios. I've now tried several times with different bios, always cleared CMOS (with AFUDOS and with EZFlash) and after flashing bios cleared CMOS.
But I'm stuck with this AUTO option only.

Maybe somebody have an idea what is wrong with my bios settings :
http://prince.1g.fi/kuvat/bios/
01-28-2008, 11:03 AM
P5WDHdeluxe

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceFi

Hi,
I don't know what I'm doing wrong but something.

I'm always having this AUTO only in CPU Vcore in bios. I've now tried several times with different bios, always cleared CMOS (with AFUDOS and with EZFlash) and after flashing bios cleared CMOS.
But I'm stuck with this AUTO option only.

Maybe somebody have an idea what is wrong with my bios settings :
http://prince.1g.fi/kuvat/bios/

have you disable the EIST and C1E options under the "Cpu Configuration" Menu?
01-28-2008, 11:59 AM
PrinceFi

Quote:

Originally Posted by P5WDHdeluxe

have you disable the EIST and C1E options under the "Cpu Configuration" Menu?

Yea I have. I know that should do it, but no :(
01-28-2008, 12:26 PM
w2richwood

i know you said you cleard cmos but try again by pulling power plug battery and set jumper on 2-3 for at lest ten min.s and try again
Rich
01-28-2008, 01:01 PM
eXcelon

Well, I have finally got my E8400 stable at 3.6GHz. The memory listed in my sig won't boot at manual timings and with SPD enabled it fails memtest. I notice a change in stability with my MCH at 1.65, but it's still inhibiting me from overclocking any higher. I think it's time to get a new board.

IDLE Temps: 38C
LOAD Temps: 56C

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9946/92693133yh9.jpg
01-28-2008, 01:05 PM
Random Murderer

if your mch is only at 1.65, you may want to up it to 1.75 and push the fsb a bit further.
01-28-2008, 01:21 PM
nicko

Quote:

Originally Posted by mister_no

New Bios:

ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/mb/so.../P5WDH2602.zip

Thx for the info.

Did someone try it?
01-28-2008, 01:24 PM
JustusIV

arg, is there any way to get this thing to run a raid 0 for an os without a floppy drive? i have the raid consctructed but windows needs the drivers to see it. Can i use a usb key? i have the cd but it wont extract the intel ich7r 32/64 bit raid driver drivers onto a usbkey. anyhelp is greatful
Thanks
JustusIV

*edit*
Also should i use the Intel or the Jmicron for my raid?

*edit*
Someone please stop me before it is to late if this is a bad idea.
Since i dont have a floppy drive i got a copy of the drivers i need for the raid. In there raw form not the make a floppy exe that you get from asus. Then using nlite i am going to preload the drivers for the raid. so in thoery i can boot from the cd and it should pickup my raid. any last words for me?

*edit*
Just letting everyone know worked like a charm, no floppy needed.
01-28-2008, 01:32 PM
eXcelon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

if your mch is only at 1.65, you may want to up it to 1.75 and push the fsb a bit further.

I forgot to mention my board is the 1st revision so I can only go up to 1.65. Also for anyone who is wondering, I am running the newest bios and haven't noticed any difference. Vcore minimum is still to high for 45nm and needs to be set to auto with bios 2602.
01-28-2008, 03:36 PM
evident

hi, long time lurker of the thread, first post here

with the 2504 bios and the e8400 CPU, EIST function no longer works ,even if i enable it. So CPUZ reports me at 3.0 ghz at all times. 2602 bios completely removes that option.... so this means i can't reduce my power consumption, which is the reason why i bought this cpu? :( is anyone else having this problem?
01-28-2008, 03:48 PM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustusIV

*edit*
Also should i use the Intel or the Jmicron for my raid?

EZ RAID is obviously the easiest to set up and doesn't require any floppy disks or special drivers. the Intel Matrix controller is faster though. i've run both and can confirm that the Intel RAID is a little faster than the JMicron
01-28-2008, 04:55 PM
freeza

i have this issue too, evident.

I wish they'd put EIST back in. I liked having it on.
01-29-2008, 02:09 AM
PrinceFi

Quote:

Originally Posted by w2richwood

i know you said you cleard cmos but try again by pulling power plug battery and set jumper on 2-3 for at lest ten min.s and try again
Rich

I have done that also few times already :(
Btw, battery is located in wrong place, I had to take my Geforce GTX away also ;)
01-29-2008, 08:39 AM
JustusIV

So i might have went a little fast in my over clocking. Turns out i am not 100% stable at 3.6ghz, the odd thing is i felt like i was stable at that speed before i oc'ed my video card, but my crashes can happen during orthos testing, but it could be it started happening when i added my hd's. a total of five in the system 3 sata, 2 in a raid0 and 1 all alone, and 2 ide on a ide controller card that was also added. Any tips for what to do for a newbie overclocker?

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