Are new G0 chips really too good OCers? - No!

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07-22-2007, 01:42 AM
rob[GL]

Just got finished testing mine...

Right now, 12 hours orthos stable with 1.5v, E6750... 450FSB x8 multi... 3600MHz

50c max temp under load

I'm very happy with my purchase.
07-22-2007, 03:59 AM
ziddey

the "loosened strap" doesn't matter so much once you overclock. For instance, on the p35, 1:1 belongs to 333strap anyway, so even if you used a 266bsel cpu..
07-22-2007, 08:18 AM
JargonGR

Quote:

Originally Posted by lopri

I agree the specific chip that I kept may be an exception vCore-wise, but I think hitting 3.50~3.60GHz with ~1.50V was pretty common with most E6x00 chips? (Before Intel started binning for Q6600s) Now we have these E6850s that hit 3.8~4.0GHz with 1.55V-ish vCore. Can't really see the point of upgrading, especially with their lower multipliers and loosened strap. I mean, outside professional benchers, I don't think the difference between 3.60GHz and 4.00GHz is something to go through the hassle of upgrade for.

Q6600, on the other hand, is a different story. It's unfortunate that there are only handful of apps that can take advantage of quad-cores, but for folks who use them, it's a god-send. Previously these folks had to rely on workstation boards with dual sockets for their productivity.

This my dilema right now. I have an E6600 @ 8x450 FSB for 3.6Ghz right now on an ABit IN9 32MAX. This board is not that good for Quad high fsb overclocking and I am not getting another board now before X38 is out so no Quad for me right now (this is a gaming machine mostly). So I was thinking of the E6850 as an upgrade and possibly using my old E6600 to my home theater PC. But unless I get to at least 4Ghz I see no point. But do your really think that 400Mhz is pointless? That is IF I can hit this speed (on water ofc).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziddey

the "loosened strap" doesn't matter so much once you overclock. For instance, on the p35, 1:1 belongs to 333strap anyway, so even if you used a 266bsel cpu..

Are there any benches comparing those straps? Although there should not be a big difference if any.
07-22-2007, 03:06 PM
Tony

Guys, you want a good chance of a good clocker buy the 6850, Intel quite rightly are binning the CPU's now quite tightly, they are after all here to make money ;)

With the price drops the 6850 is an awesome buy, the 9 multi is perfect for 680i running 1800+fsb with ram linked and Sync DDR800 1T with tight timings with water or air cooling.

If the CPU cost like $500+ i would say go with a lower model but 299 or so is cheap enough to not even consider one the lower end CPU's and the chance it could be a poor clocker.

The odd awesome 6550 etc will drop thru the loop but overall the highest clockers will be the 6850's
07-22-2007, 03:09 PM
Tony

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Originally Posted by JargonGR;

This my dilema right now. I have an E6600 @ 8x450 FSB for 3.6Ghz right now on an ABit IN9 32MAX. This board is not that good for Quad high fsb overclocking and I am not getting another board now before X38 is out so no Quad for me right now (this is a gaming machine mostly). So I was thinking of the E6850 as an upgrade and possibly using my old E6600 to my home theater PC. But unless I get to at least 4Ghz I see no point. But do your really think that 400Mhz is pointless? That is IF I can hit this speed (on water ofc).

Are there any benches comparing those straps? Although there should not be a big difference if any.

most of the newer boards have chipset strap settings now, if you need to you can force 1066 on the chipset but overall FSB will drop.

Again this points to buying the CPu with the highest multi will always gain you the highest speeds.
07-22-2007, 10:27 PM
OBR

Tony - yes it is right, i ve tested many G0 chips, but ALL of E6850 are good Ocers to 3900+ MHz...

With E6750, E6650 you have only little chance for great OC ...
07-22-2007, 10:49 PM
Neon Biker

Too bad the E6850 is priced the same as the Q6600.
07-22-2007, 11:22 PM
I)ickie

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Originally Posted by Neon Biker

Too bad the E6850 is priced the same as the Q6600.

If what tony is saying is true perhaps the retail q6600's certainly won't overclock like their ES brothers.
They will prob reserve higher clockers for Q6850.
Without overclocking thier chips how do they bin.
Perhaps this is a poor example but I have never seen or heard of a e6600 that can't run at e6700 speeds @ stock volts.
07-22-2007, 11:44 PM
irenic

i think the real advantage of q6600 G0 is it runs cooler than the b3.. other than that might be the same.. so to those who already owns a very good wc system or other extreme cooler, dont really need to wait for G0..
07-23-2007, 01:22 AM
Solarfall

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Originally Posted by I)ickie

Perhaps this is a poor example but I have never seen or heard of a e6600 that can't run at e6700 speeds @ stock volts.

not uncommon.. mine can do over 3ghz with stock volts..
07-23-2007, 02:51 AM
OBR

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:
07-23-2007, 02:55 AM
SoulsCollective

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBR

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:

For the future. Your argument is only valid if you aren't going to be buying new software or games from now on.
07-23-2007, 03:17 AM
Lu(ky

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBR

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:

OBR Your OC is with the Striker or eVGA board???????
07-23-2007, 03:33 AM
JohnMike

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBR

If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:

How many fps do you gain going from 3.6Ghz to a 4Ghz CPU?!... 3, 5, 7 fps?!... :down:
07-23-2007, 03:42 AM
Servo128

I really can't make my mind up, which one to buy.

I do like alittle overclocking, I do encode video, and I do play games.

I don't like the heat issue with quads.

I'm sitting here with two shopping baskets, one with the q6600 (Not G0) and the other with a 6850, and I can't bring myself to press the checkout button!!

I'm in urgent need of medical advice, it's driving me nutz!!!
07-23-2007, 03:49 AM
SoulsCollective

Definitely go for the quad. It's far more future-proof than the dual-core - all new release apps and games will be multi-threaded, and four cores at 2.4GHz are better than two at 3.0GHz.
07-23-2007, 04:28 AM
ziddey

it's too bad they don't sell 2mb versions of the conroe chips anymore. if they had a g0 that'd goto 4ghz and only had 2mb, but sold for say $160, i'd totally get it.
07-23-2007, 04:30 AM
Countryman

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Originally Posted by SoulsCollective

Definitely go for the quad. It's far more future-proof than the dual-core

Its certainly not 'future proof' with the cheaper and cooler Penryn Quad only 6-8 months away. :shakes:
07-23-2007, 04:33 AM
SoulsCollective

Quote:

Originally Posted by Countryman

Its certainly not 'future proof' with the cheaper and cooler Penryn Quad only 6-8 months away. :shakes:

You entirely missed the point of my statement. My point was merely that with software development on the verge of a multi-threaded renaissance, a quad-core will age better than a dual. Whether it represents an astute purchase given expected future hardware releases is an entirely different matter again.
07-23-2007, 04:38 AM
RPGWiZaRD

I think I'll pick a E6750 as it's so cheap 172€ and hold onto it till Yorkfield arrives and gets more afforable. It seems ppl have had greater luck in europe so far with these ones, just saw a pretty nice result on aircooling. http://forum.geizhals.at/files/53810/6750%20oc.png

As long as I can get 3.6GHz+ (with 1.5v or lower) I'm satisfied.
07-23-2007, 04:57 AM
Pete@X

Tempting: E6750 @ 4GHz @ 1,425V @ h2o :shocked:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/353...inalws0.th.jpg

:up:
07-23-2007, 04:59 AM
ziddey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete@X

Tempting: E6750 @ 4GHz @ 1,425V @ h2o :shocked:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/353...inalws0.th.jpg

:up:

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07-23-2007, 05:11 AM
Pete@X

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Originally Posted by ziddey

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

I had 5 of these Babes from that FPO/Batch (L719B174), they clock more or less all the same. 4GHz are possible between ~1,425V and ~1,450V :shocked:
07-23-2007, 05:22 AM
Viss

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete@X

I had 5 of these Babes from that FPO/Batch (L719B174), they clock more or less all the same. 4GHz are possible between ~1,425V and ~1,450V :shocked:

Max FSB of those thats what id like to know.
07-23-2007, 05:28 AM
Pete@X

Quote:

Originally Posted by loc.o

Max FSB of those thats what id like to know.

Around 545-550 booted ok and was good enought for some Spi1M ... have not clockgen`d further so far ...

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