Or you can pay OCZ to check all this stuff for you and package it up as VX. :p:
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Or you can pay OCZ to check all this stuff for you and package it up as VX. :p:
Well took the plundge and ordered 4 sticks of the speed premium off the egg. Now its just hope :D
but at 100$ more
AA4T comes in both 256 and 512 flavours? or jus 256
yep in both :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilverXP
if you order twinmos PC3200 and its got the same model number but not the same product code as the picture, its still the same product, so that wont work.
Sorry guys, spoke too soon.
This stuff really sucks :(
With 3.2V they run fine at 215FSB with 2-2-2-5-7-12 settings, but after that it´s xtremely unstable even if I raise voltage up to 3.6V.
Maybe I should try with some nForce3 board, but these sticks are still a big disappointment. Hope you other guys get better sticks than I did.
Needless to say, but BH-5 is still number one.
try 2-2-2-10-14-16 1T just to start out. or leave everything at auto after tras. That seems really crappy. is this 2 sticks or 1? just try 1 stick for now. could be 1 bad stick. all it takes is one bad apple to spoil the bunch in dual channel.
2-3-2-6 maybe?
Tried both sticks one by one and loosed some timings, but it didn´t gain much :(
does it have the dimples on the chips so your sure they are winbond?
It does.Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
:( this put my hopes down alot.
i need to find someone selling BH-5 and willing to ship to NL :p:
YGPM enzor! :)
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y - Selling mucho ram, BH5/BH6, EB!
what kind did you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Had this reply from tekheads re the codes on their TwinMos modules
"The chip numbers are as follows
The 512MB sticks = ttd7608f8e501
The 256MB sticks = tmd7608f8e50d
Thanks"
It doesnt say which modules these chips are on though...
As I've already said, I got this info from tekheds with regard to the single pc3200 modules...
"The 256MB = 04514
the 512MB = 0452D
Thanks"
Which suggests the 256mb are good, 512 aren't - your info backs that up with the TMD/TTD. Will let you know what they're like when they arrive (have ordered 2x256).
They're ch-5, I ordered 4 and was sent 1 x WB chips and 3 x ICs of random manufacturers. So :dammit: RMA time again....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamz
Sorry to hear that mate, im thinking we uk guys should wait for speed premimum to hit these shores, otherwsie it seems like a hit or miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by swami
Alternatively i will be getting up early to check out the computer fair tomorrow as they always have twinmos ram there, anything but twinmos. heh he heh.
**Edit komplett have now updated their website and state CH5 on the winbond modules...
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115491&cks=PRL
Quote:
Originally Posted by gulp35
X-Gen at post #271 posted that his were just like the ones in the pictures and his were TTD, but they had the "-50" after the date codes.
Man, I don't know if there is any pattern here or simply, as the OCZ guys said in some of the earlier VX discussions, they don't all pass the testing. We may simply have a case of our own "speed binning" going on. Some chips do well, others don't.
The only ones that seem to be "sure things" right now are the 256MB PC3200 TwinMOS Speed Premium with the AA4T sticker codes and the date code on the ram ending with a 4, plus the "44D" speed rating on the chips. All of these seem to be doing well.
TwinMOS is probably binning these wouldn't you think?
Anywhere in london by any chance? :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamz
Theres no price or buy button on those LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamz
The link to that doesn't exist, where did that link come from whoever posted it? Kompletts link still leads here (product code is 1 less) and there is still no mention of ch-5 chips there (yes I know they are though). Price has also gone up... by... wait for it... A PENNY
Seems The plain Twinmos didnt really rocks... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Next time make sure it is Speed Premium :slap:
hehe you sure love the slapping smilie :D
when sentinel was talking about his vx thoughts a while back the ocz guys said that they use those chips (forgot if he was talking about winbond utt or not) in their value series.
anybody happen to know which OCZ value ram, if any has UTT? except if they do sell it, it might be failed vx, which would seal the rams overclocking fate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
Is this what you were looking for? See post #33.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=350856&page=2
I'm inclined to think that if you find it then it was made before they realized that they could use the chips in the VX and sell them for more. I have been looking for it and all that I can now locate has the OCZ branded chips, not the M.tec chip like the ones in the link. Note that these are also TTD and not TMD coded chips. The link above is to screenshots of a P4 (at 255 with 2-2-2-6 timings), if I remember correctly.
I dont know if mine are TTD and I also dont know the week. I've got heat spreaders on them at the moment, so I cant look now. And you know its hard to get them off :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
:slap:
I've noticed that for a long time, but I didn't want to disrespect one of the coolest BIOS modders of all time. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bias_hjorth
:slap: :shrug:
:banana2: < Alternate lifestyle banana! :banana:
TwinMOS! Curse your nonexistent Canadian suppliers!
lol :slap: rox :stick:
How about that topic, eh? Yep... Yes, sir... Uh... :slap:?
:exclamati ALERT :spam: :exclamati
Yep you guessed it, i got around three down my ways, if i get any luck, ill pass info on if your from london (i may only vist one tomorrow thou)...Quote:
Originally Posted by swami
Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
Something real weird is going on, i bookmarked this page on komplett I think on Thursday, I checked on Friday and they said there was stocking scheduled for the 17th, but then the page went down, only to reappear two minutes later, with the added info that they were CH5. They also stated a price of 49 pounds for a 512 stick, the reason for me constantly checking cos i thought maybe komplett have clocked on and started increasing the price, but i now reckon they probably contacted their supplier and found out that the next lot wont be CH5. Maybe they took the updated page down cos they can’t confirm that the next lot are either 1) winbond or 2) winbond CH5??Quote:
Originally Posted by jumperfly
Komplett is expecting some more of those twinmoss CH-5 winbond modules, just noticed they updated their site for preorders...
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115491&cks=PRL
:slap: ya canada ... :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
Got 3modules of those twinmos chips at work and thousands :D of mtec chips... go to test both to see the difference.
A little late to this party, but wanted to add another confirm to the TMSP/AA4T/44D/04464 experience.
DFI Infinity NF2, been sitting NIB for a long time so no mods.
6-2-2-2
254@3.3v looping memtest86+ test 5 for nearly 24 hours no errors.
The Stilt,
try Trfc of 15 or looser... my 2x512 VX do great but not at a Trfc below 15.
Trc I can run at 7 with no probs... 2-2-2-10-7-15 works great for me.
maybe that's all your modules need..
got one pair of 512x2 of these Twinmos Speed Premium :D
result
http://www.geocities.com/benny_nejkt...z_2225_mem.txt
where from, and when did you order?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk
Benny,
ple let us have the codes off the sticker & chips, this will help
WTG ! :toast: Were did you get them from and what do the ic's read ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk
I have 2x512 on order from newegg. They should get here monday/tuesday.
Speaking of codes, I've copied from OC Forums some info pulled from Kingston Value Ram. The first set of numbers are off a 512MB stick which was purchased from Fry's and tested on the same P4 rig as the OCZ. Hit the same 255 at 2-2-2-6 with 3.6v and the second set of numbers was from a retail box at CC of 2x256 which I spotted but left at the store because of the high asking price. I was just interested in seeing if there were any locally and what info was on them so I could pass it along. The first KVR stick is pictured at OCF and has the name coding pattern as I've described below. Here is a link to that thread, see post #73 if you are interested in the picture of the KVR. It is not a great picture, but you can see the peculiar layout of the chip's coding.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.p...97#post3349097
The 512 stick:
************************************************** ***
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diablo23RD
Sorry, I am bad in taking pics
Kingston B11444.02
D3208DW3T-5U 0449PT01
Copy of my post at OCF (2x256 set):
******************************************
I found a set of 2x256 at a local Circuit City which match the pictures taken by Diablo except for some minor differences. I did not get them, again, because they were priced at $150 after sales tax for 2x256.
Note one item of interest. Usually the Kingston label is across the top and then the numbers below. These chips have the first set of numbers to the right of the Kingston label, so both the name "Kingston" and the first set of numbers are on the top. In many cases, the date is on the second line, and then the chip coding is on the third line. These chips have the coding on the left side of the 2nd row, which is actually across the bottom, then what appears to be the date, plus more coding to the right. All of the second group of numbers are across the bottom row of the chip.
The set I found was coded like this.
First row - label and numbers: KINGSTON 401137.05
then blank space with the circular Winbond "dimples" visible,
followed by the chip code & date: D3208DL5T-5 0416PT01
bought it from local shop in my country (Indonesia). PN Number xxxxxxxxxxxxAA4T :D at chip there is two dimple like BH-5 had, TMD xxxxxxx44D :D
are they the speed premiums??Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk
this is INSANE SPEED for 2x512!!! wtg!!!
well the 512mb speed premium sticks at newegg are sold out again :(
So this next batch are even better odds?
Thanks for that Info/linkQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Interestingly my Twinmoss has the same chips as Diablo's
DIABLO's OCZ
http://james.elbbit.com/Fire/upload/..._chip_bigl.jpg
Mine twinmoss
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/CIMG0153.JPG
Yet I was having trouble going over 210mhz @ 2,2,2,5 .
I wounder if my Booster is actually doing anything - will check later in P4m rig
EDIT*
Thanks for the info benny
OK major update time:
Slapped the 2x 256 Twinmos (Mtec) into my Abit IS7-e/3.06 P4m rig in DC ( slot 1 & 3)
Also fitted the DDR booster in slot 2 (tight !! fit !!)
Ill let the picture do the talking...............
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/260_3.6v.jpg
This is at 3.6v (as shown by BIOS DDR booster shows 3.3v) , it just keeps going up.
Ill leave it to burn in for a little.
BUT this means that the booster dont work in my Neo2/A64 setup or this memory does not like my Winnie :confused:
well after looking at almost every store in Porto i finally found a 2x512 kit of Twinmos that have P/N finishing at AA4T, chips date finish at 4 and chip code at 50D (forgot to look the dimples), pcb looks to be BP tho only single sided (does that influence?)... but they aren't speed premium...
and till now we have only seen good results with the Speed Premium's modules, right?
ITS MY PIC (c)techpowerup.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
first "release" http://www.i4memory.com/showthread.php?p=1778#post1778 ... don't talk :banana::banana::banana::banana: man.
here are some other pics
http://people.freenet.de/ihrhurensoe...ix/ramchip.JPG
http://people.freenet.de/ihrhurensoe.../aufkleber.JPG
thx @ .::$k4T4N::. @hardwareluxx.de
pic1
pic2
thx @ H!dek! @ hardwareluxx.de
here's a new pic of my winbond utt ;)
http://mar.h0sted.org/mtecforhwluxx.jpg
(c)techpowerup.com
buy me pair please :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Lodewijk
your 2*512 was that CPC ON ?
have a pair of 2x256MB 44D w AA4T....all the looks of the winbond but couldn't test yet...still waiting for my DFI-SLI n can't get hold of a DDR booster ...just hope it could perforam as those listed here..
:toast:
How come this thread isn't stickied!!! ;)
Looks like I'm going to have to pick up a pair of these since a) they are cheap and b) they look sooo much like the BH-5 of old.
Thanks go to everyone who have posted thier experiences here! :toast:
Jeff you can give mine a little test when you get them in your hands :D
//mAr
well i dont see how im talking :banana::banana::banana::banana: , maybe the thread was at OC was not very clear , re-reading it Diablo has just used the picture as an example. Sorry if its yours. Now edit your post and sort your attitude .......
It's funny... I don't have a single piece of overclocking gear in my collection anymore. :eek: The highest I could test them to is 233MHz FSB on my dual Xeon setup. ;) But I will make sure they are not DOA for you before they are shipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
Quote:
Originally Posted by enok
nope ... check my RAM (first posts) it is not speed preimium hella cheap!!
and still UTT
:eek: :eek: :eek: just noticed how many posts-views this thread has!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff
I had my Twinmos CH-5 I recieved up to 235 2-2-2-5-1t at 3.1v prime stable, I can't up my CPU voltage from default which I need to go further so I am stuck :/
I think you are right about Diablo's intentions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
Diablo's wording could have been clearer, but he did post the information from his sticks first, then says that they are like the picture except for the date.
Quote:
"As the pics of the IC is different on the date."
I added the emphasis.
It was just one of those things that happens when English is not your native language.
Added: Didn't take long for the egg to sell out its new stock of TM 512MB sticks. You think there might be some interest in these things? More fresh stock, better chance at Winbond UTT.
My friends doing bulk order in MalaysiaQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
They have 10 pair of
TwinMOS Speed Premium PC3200 2x512mb(1GB Dual Channel kit)
there is still 7 pair left for order
You can check his bulk order here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=116937
Currency Rate:
1 USD = 3.80 RM (Flat Rate)
Good luck
ok no problem :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
in future there should be winbond utt on nearly every oem/cheap ram, cauz they have big capacity ...
btw i think ocz is a little bit angry, cauz real overclocker will buy the cheap winbond utt and not the expensive ocz vx :D
It think they dont make value ram sticky here :slap:
Maybe we should bring twinmos representative in this forums :banana:
as well as kingston's... i think they will be using those chips in their DIMMs tooQuote:
Originally Posted by tictac
nice idea tictac :toast:
btw do me a favour! stop slapping your self ! i wouldn't like the guy that mods my BIOS to have a damaged brain! :D :toast:
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
750RM almost 200$ :(
ya... that doesnt include shipment to your country... :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
better get them in europe :toast:
friend ordered from newegg.....gambling LOL :D
I really wonder how much speed binning is going on at the other place. So far it seems like everyone who has gotten Twinmos memory with these chips are very happy. And it also seems like NewEgg.com had/has stock that was strickly made with these magical chips. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tictac
The great thing is the price though. When Outpost.com cleared out thier Kingston BH-5 stock a few months ago and everyone went nuts they charged ~$40 a stick... now these new sticks are... <drumroll>... ~$40 a stick. :D Great deal and worth the "risk" in my book. :up:
I've posted a thread at NCIX.com in their Product Requests section. Anyone from Canada who wants a Canadian retailer of TwinMOS Speed Premium should sign up and say "Yes, I want that RAM, too!"
Maybe we can convince them to start selling it. :)
http://www.ncix.com/forums/index.php...6&pagenumber=2
The thing that makes this ram unique is that even though it will run 260 at 2-2-2-x, it won't do so without high voltage. Without high voltage it is just value-ram grade stuff. This means that the module makers will not be able to use it only in their high-end products because that market is limited. With Winbond having what appears to be a large capacity, or at least in excess of what Infineon is purchasing, and because it is cheap, it will make its way to much of the lower end stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by //mAr
Overclockers everywhere delight in our new found toy. Winbond is still King!
And where are all of the OCZ guys? Probably hiding and ashamed of all of the misinformation that they were forced to put out (such as that these were not Winbond chips - Ok, they are M.tec made from Winbond blanks or that Winbond machines had been lost and no one knew how to make them, etc.). I don't blame those guys, they have jobs and as I've heard them say, non-disclosure agreements that keep them from talking openly about everything. I think it has hurt their image a little bit, though.
No I dont think this little incident has hurt their image. Afterall, it is true that its modules that no one else had, until now. And yes they were just doing their job. What really hurt their image is their disapproval of Hipro's maximizer and some shoddy quality PSUs such as their new 600 Powerstream with many DOA's. What keeps them a float is their customer service.
There will still be those who are loyal to OCZ and feel guilty about purchasing cheapo RAM with the same performance as OCZ's high-end stuff that. There will be those that feel ashamed to have any "value" component in their high-end gaming box. (It takes away from the "l33tness" factor, you know.) There will be those who think OCZ's product is superior (maybe because they said they speed bin, or maybe because a more expensive product MUST be better).
Nope, this hasn't hurt OCZ at all.
Hail cheap overclocking! :toast:
If it wasn't for OCZ, we wouldn't even be thinking of looking at these chips. I think all the hub bub started when ocz came out with VX. I think we owe them a huge thank you for finding it in the first place.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I couldn't agree more with that comment and as proof I offer up a copy of a portion of a post that I made over at OCForums earlier today about 9:30 am East Coast time.
"Even though some people have been miffed with OCZ about not disclosing the chips or about the hipro5 Maximizer...you've got to give them credit for discovering this little "attribute" of cheap Winbond UTT, don't you think?"
The M.tec/Winbond UTT chip would still be looked at by many as insignificant value ram chips without their discovery of its affinity for voltage.
ok plz dont fight here :slap:
Happy hunting :banana:
nobody's fighting, we are just giving credit where credit is due. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Who is fighting?
I don't think there has been much disagreement, whether it be OCZ or Winbond UTT or anything else discussed.
I apologize if anyone understood anything I've stated to be in that vein, as it was not intended to be the source of an argument.
ok sorry misunderstood http://www.solurix.net/lowyat.net/st...ault/sweat.gifhttp://www.solurix.net/lowyat.net/st...ault/sweat.gifhttp://www.solurix.net/lowyat.net/st...ault/sweat.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
they are already here ;)
where? http://www.solurix.net/lowyat.net/st...ault/sweat.gif
Please introduce him/her here http://www.solurix.net/lowyat.net/st...ault/sweat.gif
tictac how can you not slap yourself ? :D (j/k)Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
guys i don't think OCZ will have to worry about anything! their chips are to top of the crop while other UTT are avarage!
it's excactly like some handselected 4ns chips some DIMMs used to have back in the BH-5 days!
then they should speak !!! come on guys we don't bite! we just burn stuff :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
So let me introduce myself:
TwinMOS FAE Germany ;)
What you guys want to know?
eeeeh can you tell us what week steppings we should look for those chips ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
are there any guaranteed weeks/steppings/serials that have the UTT winbond chips?
are they 90nm process?
are they based on CH or BH
for a start...
thanks!
Winbond UTT can under others like PSC be found on TwinMOS/M.tec - we still use both on M.tec so here i can´t guarantee anything...
All upcoming TwinMOS Speed Premium should have Winbond UTT - we call it CH-5 - former first version of Speed Premium has selectd PSC (review can be found here: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/T.../SpeedPremium/) and will never run like the Winbond based ones. Check out the "winbond dots" on the chip itself ;)
I will try to find out from which date we switched for WB UTT for the Speed Premium and tell ya asap (next week).
woohoo, this is awsome. Having offical info is always good. Have an official rep is even better.
Thanks Alonso
Hang on a sec, so your saying that you are labeling your winbond UTT as CH5, is that the reason why komplett have now after a long time bought back the CH5 winbond stock, also is this why some earlier members were hitting 250+ at 2,2,2,10 even thou they had CH5, why are you labeling UTT stock as CH5???Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
Kamz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
we so thank you!!!
our work on the Twinmos premium here on XS shows that 0446+ week steppings use those chips. And they should have those two 'winbond dots'.
Thanks Alonso :toast:
we are not labeling anything else than TwinMOS and M.tec
we are calling the Winbond UTT internally CH-5 nothing more...
This pic is from the site alonso listed
OOOH i would like to see the look on their face when they read this thread!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=22299
:owned:
Well, since you asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
I do have a question. Is the fact that the Winbond chips scale well with voltage something that was known industry wide, but OCZ went with it and developed a product or was this news to you guys as well? Did you know before VX's release of the Winbond chips scaling properties?
OK, I have a second. There are guys here and across the web that are reporting great results with TM/M.tec chips that were purchased a couple of years ago. These chips have the physical marks similar to Winbond. Would these be relabeled bh-5/bh-6/ch-5 or are there other chips manufactured that have the same outside appearence as the Winbond? I ask because if the opportunity comes up to buy something with older dates (like on eBay), but with the same physical markings, it would be useful to know the answer to that question.
That is today's allotment of questions.
someone should tell XtremeSystems staff about his existence here
at least give him Tag under his nick name showing he is Twinmos Representative here like others (BigToe,OnePageBook) :)
Anyway welcome to Xtreme Systems :)
we didn´t know in first place - we are not OC hunters like OCZ and generally not deal with higher voltages...
I don´t think that a chip can be identified only by the package. You never know what will be inside if u look only at the chip itself without any additional information. But also here i will try to get more info about...
Of course there can be Winbond ICs under the "old" M.tec modules. For these we used everything cheap as it is our OEM brand.
thx tictac ;) nice place here
BTW: i have been here before starting for TwinMOS - but since July 2003 they got me now ;)
Could some one give me info regarding the following cos i dnt understnad something:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
Back in late 2002 i bought 1 gig of twinmoss winbond from komplett, at the time BH5 was not as popular, and many people did not know about them. A week later i boguht some more and got CH5, i rmbr not likning the ch5 cos it wouldnt move above 215 at 3.0v, but for some reaosn the BH5 scaled to 227 in my abit NF7-S. What i find interesting is shortly after winbond stopped producing BH5, people claimed that they had been boguht out, or gone bust, machines and designs templates lost???. So if they stopped producuing BH5, how have komplett now got new stock of CH5 when winbond have stopped trading. Who is producing the new CH5???
I know from a fact that after all the BH5 crazy started hitting the forums, i wanted more but komplett had totally stopped selling winbond twinmoss modules. So where are komplett getting these CH5 from???
**Edit also komplett start selling Ch5, after VX are released and people starting finding out that they contain winbond UTT chips...
i knew it! CH wafer! :p: :D :toast: :banana: :banana4:
Well I just had a friend send me a link to a previously unknown TwinMOS PC3200 that might be worth looking into. It is supposed to be a limited edition. Alonso, what can you tell us about this stock?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting
are they selling new Twinmos/winbond?
afaik the new winbond utt are built with infineon´s technologie and will not come with the well known winbond logo anymore
but things can change quite fast these days...
BTW: TwinMOS/M.tec with AA4T @ the end of P/N should have Winbond UTT
AA = 0,13um
4 = Winbond
also the TwinMOS Speed Premium which will have better PCB than M.tec with 4 in the code should be the modules to go for ;)
In the techpowerup review we can find the AADT where the D stands for PSC ;)
Well thats confirmed alot that many have posted in this thread already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonso
Many thanks ......
:toast:
sweet!!! :banana4:
one more question Alonso:
chip's wise we are (imho) almost done: 2 dimples, TMD...50D or 44D, date finishing at 4 from week >46.
now pcb wise is there any diference between, for example, Speed Premium and the usual Dual Channel kits? (considering they have the same chips on them)
are the pcb's the same for every kind of UTT sticks? or should we focus on some particular Twinmos product with some special BP pcb? maybe an particular pcb revision?
tks for ur help! :)
PS: can you PLZ pm me some distributer/dealer from Twinmos at Portugal/Spain? tks :)