Hi computurd.my cache memory seems 800 mhz.Or am I wrong?I think tekram wrote wrong information.I hope it is...
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Hi computurd.my cache memory seems 800 mhz.Or am I wrong?I think tekram wrote wrong information.I hope it is...
2GB and 4GB modules have been readily available for a while now at the $99 and $250 pricepoints.
2GB: http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_contro...ARC62402GB.asp
4GB: http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_contro...ARCRMD24G8.asp
this is the 1880 memory from Tekram. (800mhz)
http://tekram.com/store/product_info...roducts_id=161
That previously pictured part sure looks like DDR2-800 to me. :)
yeah, looks 800 to me too :) weird they had it listed at 533 on their site....
A small Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 3TB 64MB, 7200rpm, 6Gb/S test @ my Areca 1880ix-24
They only had 4x 7K3000 3TB in stock :(
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?sh...ost&p=16788007
Having just spoken to an Areca tech, I plan on ordering an ARC-1880i controller to replace my LSI 9260-8i that is going back today.
Areca tells me that there are not any compatibility issues with the eVGA motherboards.
I was wondering if any of you ARC-1880 owners could comment on issues with the classified 3 (e770) motherboard.
thanks
bear in mind the 1880 without the chance to upgrade the cache is not going to perform nearly as well as the 9260. especially if you take fastpath into consideration. however, if you cant get the lsi to work at all then it really wouldnt matter, but i would highly recommend a 1880-12 -16 or -24. it seems these cards shine with the cache.Quote:
ARC-1880i controller to replace my LSI 9260-8i
awesome! You are now my new best friend ;)
What I really want to do is put my 4 Vertex 2's on the ARC-1880i in RAID0 to use a Win7 boot drive and use the other 4 ports for individual 2tb drives (no RAID) JBOD. What ever drives are left over would go on the ICH10 ports.
My LSI 9260-8i left this afternoon for a better home at NewEgg and a refund. I should be ordering the replacement Areca by the middle of next week unless I read of some reason why another card would do a better job for me.
I wonder if Areca will offer the new wide coverage heatsink for 1880 owners! The CPU gets quite warm in a case with good airflow.
http://www.areca.com.tw/support/photo/ARC-1880ix-24.jpg
All the new batches have the new heatsink :)
^ still needs a fan which gets it ugly n dusty.. better watercooled
http://i52.tinypic.com/34ih1eu.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/qq1ki8.jpg
chc125 + mvr40+107.5mm plates
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=663
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=660
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=659
how bout this? single slot solution :D
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...0-17-25370.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...0-17-47347.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/DSCF4614.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/DSCF4607.jpg
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...3-09-14380.jpg
oh and the obligatory temps before and after.
NOTE: BEFORE temps are at IDLE.
after temps are under PCMV load :)
(controller temp btw is the expander, that is with a copper HS installed on it that is actually smaller than the previous HS)
BEFORE
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/ROCtemps.png
AFTER
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...e1/roflMAO.png
That fourth picture looks like a mad-scientist lab! :up:
I have my controller on the bottom slot with a 120mm fan running at 1,000RPM under the controller.
http://www.dadepc.com/hmon.jpg
One other thing. I'm running an 1880-12 on a 760 classified that has USB issues so I purchased a pci-e usb 2.0 addon card. The strangest thing happened. The computer wouldn't power up with the card installed. I took it back to CompUSA and got a replacement thinking the first one was defective but the same thing happened with the replacement. I plugged the second card into a system I'm building for someone else on an Asus P6X58D and no problems. Then I installed the 1880 in the asus and once again the system wouldn't power up. It seems like a conflict with the 1880 which makes no sense to me at all. Anybody seen anything like this?
I ordered a NZXT IU01 Internal USB Expansion Device in the meanwhile. http://www.nzxt.com/new/products/cas..._usb_expansion
it is :) loop testing too so lots of wires about...got three pumps to run with that PSU stretching acrossQuote:
That fourth picture looks like a mad-scientist lab!
yeah the 'pile o gear' changes so much, no sense in making it purty :)Quote:
pretty typical PCMARK OCers setup
Even stock temps are acceptable - the new CPU can run up to 90C before there is alarm. I've seen it in the middle 60s but my case has strong flow.
WC'ing the raid card? Nuts! :eek:
The new heatsink is nice because with the front to back (or bottom to top for FT-02 users) works even better. If you wanted to WC the 1880ix cards you need a block to cover both the CPU and SAS controller - similar to a MB water block. (but do-able). Bringing the fittings off the card (aka single slot solution) is definitely a good idea with a crowded case. :)
you should insist that they mail you one for free. you are a customer and they obviously came up with the HS to alleviate heat issues, so i think they should send us one.
I just got off the phone with Tekram to find out that modifications have been made to the board (only the 1880-24) to accommodate the full coverage heatsink and it wont fit on the original version. They are offering a heatsink/fan combo similar to the one on the 1680 that is available for $10. I'm going to call Areca support to see if they will send me one at no charge.
excellent bit of news there tutto. also, if they in fact will not send it free, could you give us a link to where we could buy it? i looked at their site and dont see it!
I called Tekram, where I bought my battery and 4G module at 714.961.0800. They quoted me $10 for the unit and said it was in stock.
Computurd, did you ever post iometer results with the scsi driver?
Do you have a link for where you got the copper HSF for the expander chip?
Also does RoC use the same size? I just ordered my 1880ix tonight so i dont have it yet :)
Did yours come with pushpins and/or screws? What should i use to attach it? Do i need thermal pads or will CPU thermal paste work? Sorry for all the questions I have never done 3rd party cooling on anything other than a CPU.
heres a thread....jut wade through it and try to sift out the important stuff! this was my first foray into watercooling something of this nature, so i come off like the total noobsauce that i am. dude if they can get me through it anyone is good!
Thank God this site has the most experienced and well versed, and shall i say, PATIENT, guys over there in watercooling! they just cant be beat.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=1880
Today, after saving for almost a year, I finally ordered my ARC-1880ix-24!!!
I plan on hooking 8 Hitachi 7K3000 3TB disks on it in a RAID6 configuration.
The main purpose of my home data server is storing all of my Blu-Ray's and DVD's so I can easily stream them to my HTPC.
Now I know a bit about computers and data storage but I'm definitely not an expert like most of the people here :)
So I wanted to ask if there are any tips on what settings and values I should use to configure this card so that I'm prepared when the beauty finally arrives (order was going to take 2 weeks).
Like I said, I would like to use a RAID6 config and reliability is much more important for me than speed.
I'm guessing speed will improve alot for me since I'm currently running a RAID5 with 5 disks on a ICH10 :down:
Also would the 4GB memory upgrade be usefull for my setup and use?
Thanks in advance for any help!!!
anyone know how many crucial M-4 SSD's it would take to max out the 1880 card??
in theory of course
If you'll be using it for mostly data archival I would've suggested getting an 1880i + SAS expander (Intel or HP) for half the price, but OTOH you can't really go wrong with an 1880ix-24 assuming you can swallow the cost - the integrated expander (LSISAS2x36) is best in class. 4GB upgrade to cache also isn't going to be a big help with the planned usage pattern you're describing - mostly large sequential files like video. Where a cache upgrade becomes a performance multiplier is in frequently accessed data. So if you were planning on running your system volume (C drive) off the Areca, as well as maybe some VM's on Hyper-V, then a cache upgrade would be more noticeable.
Unless you've already purchased the harddisks I would strongly consider the Hitachi 2TB 5K3000 (readily available for $70). It's tops right now for data archival in terms of cost/GB, running cool and working flawlessly on hardware raid cards. Only reason to spend $180 for a Hitachi 3TB at this point is if you're tight on space.
Second the recommendation on Hitachi. Very solid drives IME.
New areca 1880 beta firmware :D
ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/BIO...a/Build110218/
Areca said they would come with some firmware with better performance. Is this it?
nice nice find nizzen. what do you think? have you tested yet?
I do not have a direct compare with old firmware now. But here is some strange result:
Iometer 4k random read 12gb testfile 4k align. I thought 12gb was enough for avoid the cache?
Need to upgrade the on-board expander firmware also?
ftp://ftp.areca.com.tw/RaidCards/BIO...xpander/100923 1.03 B3/
that may not be a strange result....that may be an Excellent result! :)
or on the other hand, are you using read ahead?
wow, are the results reproducing themselves? i may just need to fire up my 1880 real fast and test this :)
what drives r u using niz?
im hiting 31mb/s with intels same config.
i have notice something with areca u cant escape from cache easly :P
How are those chipset coolers working out for you Bill? Do you still need an active fan pointed at the card or can it stand on its own now?
I have a silent fan plowing air on that area of the case ...
It's in my HTPC and the airflow sucks, the case is pretty warm to touch
the temps are in the lower 50s but it is hot in the case
4 intel g1s
write is really slow
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...ntitled-15.png
yes that write is abysmal. are you using write caching?
Turn on HDD read ahead cache, there is no reason to disable it.
I think those drives are in heavy used state or something.
Free space cleaner?
The only way to fully restore G1s are HDDerase'ing them and never use utilities like "wiper" or cleaners, the G1s won't respond the way you hoped.
It looks like your drives are in steady state so performance won't get worse, it might improve a bit with some large writes but HDDerase them if you'd want performance back right now.
seems like my 1880ix is bricked!
I cant get it to even load to the firmware, computer just reboots?!?
do you have BBU? this is a common BBU issue.
fix:
1.remove BBU. remove card from machine. reboot rig without card. might even do a clear CMOS if it is needed, but probably not tbh.
2. leave BBU off, then restart machine with card on. a few times if neccessary.
this almost always clears the issue.
it is a bug that is apparently kept "alive" buy the BBU in the ram of the card. the controller uses the ram for its function as well, and with improper shutdown the BBU is keeping the ram alive, and thusly the bug as well. so the BBU is working fine at least LOL
no BBU unfortunatly
I've tried diffrent mobo's with no joy.
dang it. man without the firmware loading there isnt a lot you can do. Have you done any flashing lately or anything? i dont know where to go with this really unless maybe you accidentally put a mac FW bootrom on there. i did that once. other than that i have squat. Does the firmware timer go all the way to 300 before it resets? where exactly in the boot process does it stop?
Anyone can upgrade ARC-1880 firmware with ArcHTTP v1.85 in IE8 (Win7 32bit)?
I am trying to upgrade firmware through Web-browser but get a "HTTP protocol error" and can't successful.
yes you should be able to do it easily. sometimes you will have to adjust the settings because it is a intranet connection, so the firewall/AV might get in the way. change your intranet settings in the browser options, then give it a whirl :)
Hey everyone,
I recently had an issue where I was taking an array off of my 1880ix-16 and for some reason it seems to have left a bunch of "extra" devices in the enclosure list (see attached ss). I deleted the raidset before taking it off, but it doesn't appear to have removed the device entries. The small RAID0 array & drive on there now are just for some clean-up before I transition another array to this card.
The previous array was a RAID6 with 12-3TB Hitachi's in there, RAID was fine no issues just moving it to a bigger beasty.
Has anyone noticed this behavior before? Thanks.
Specs:
1880ix-16 (4GB cache)
BBU is connected
Figured it out, just needed to attach another drive to one of the unused connectors and it reset the list.
interesting, thanks for posting :)
Same question here. I upgraded the card using the 4 files that come with the firmware download, do I need to flash the expander as well? I have been having a hard time getting this thing to consistently boot. When it won't boot, I can fix it by shutting down, unplugging the drives from the card on by one, powering up, then reconnecting the drives while running (!). This thing is driving me nuts. Computurd, I have a similar setup to you: 950 i7, EVGA Classified, 2 480 GTX in sli, Areca 1880ix-12, and 7 128GB M4 Crucial drives.
There's no separate firmware for the integrated expander. Do you have any disks besides the M4's connected to the card? Example I have issues w/ Areca's boot-time firmware init timing out if I have specific WD drives connected to an HP expander (which in turn connects to my 1880i). Give as much detail about your system as possible.
No other disks attached to the Areca. I have some Velociraptors attached to the ICH10R, in RAID 0. I have been trying to restore an image from them to the Areca SSD array. I swear it only boots about half of the time. The system is overclocked, but not the PCI-e bus. IT is very stable, other than the card. I am on the e760 version 77 bios release for my classified. I am honestly at a loss as to what I should do next, other than buy an LSI 9265...
you certainly have some issue. I would suggest a number of things, some of which i outlined in pm (YHPM btw LOL)
under PnP/PCI configurations in your e760 bios, set the "reset configuration data" value to enabled.
give that a shot. do you have other raid cards installed? only the two 480s??
oh yeah this isnt in PM:
freq voltage control/ memory feature/ change memory low gap to either Auto or 3G. this controls the amount of memory to the PCIe slots, so this is probably your issue. the more PCie devices you have, the more memory low gap you need :)
No other cards in the system, just 2 480gtx and the areca. What classified bios version are you on? I did a reset on the pci config data and changed the low gap to 3G. It is strange, it will time out on waiting for the firmware to become availiable every time, but not if there aren't drives connected. Is it safe to go backwards on firmware on the Areca? I would like to try an earlier release. Maybe the extra GB of Vmem makes all of the difference...
im on the latest bios, so not sure there...yhmm lemme think on it. The firmware on the raid card times out?
the only time that i have had problems with the firmware timing out are when
A: i was testing different ram sticks (Bunch of them) to find ones that work. bad ones timed out
B: There *used* to be a BBU bug, where the BBU actually holds a bad load in the memory.
do you have a BBU? if so disconnect and try...
i assume that you have unplugged comp, reset cmos, shorted the pins?
try putting your raid card in PCIe slot #1 and then booting. put gpu in #2 it will still boot.
I know of no issues going backwards with FW, but you might need to get verification on that one, dont wanna be responsible for any issues. interesting issue here.
EDIT: the more i think on this the more i think it is memory. Do you have another stick? happen to be using a new one on the controller? do you have access to a machine you can test the ram stick on (memtest, etc?)
can you try booting without the ram on there? just tossing out ideas i admit it :confused:
try reseating the ram?
Ram is where I am leaning to as well. I don't have anymore machines I can test DDR2 on anymore. The stick I have in it came with it. No spares, unfortunately. Well, Maybe I will contact Areca and talk to them about it. It is just really strange that I can get the f/w to load with the card in, but only if I disconnect all of the drives on it.
I have taken this thing in and out of my machine 5 times now, and I have to drain/disassemble my entire loop to do it. I might try this card in another machine just to verify that it is the card, not the motherboard. Let me know on the bios version that you are using. Thanks again.
Sweet, I got the Satan post!!! ^^^
I am on 82.
Bios 83 and turning the Mobo Sata ports from Raid to IDE did the trick. Not sure why, but I am up. Thanks again Everyone!
lol i didnt even think of that....but this is fairly common on some boards.
Crap, I spoke too soon. It worked for about three boots, then it wouldn't start up again. I am going to pull the card again and try it in another computer. If it exhibits the same behavior in another computer, back to Areca it goes! Otherwise, I think I might be buying a new motherboard... any suggestions? It needs 3 PCI-e 16x slots minimum, 1366 socket. Should I wait for LGA 2011?
personally i am waiting for SB-E or bulldozer..whichever shakes out as the best. Sorry to hear of the recurring issue...this is hard to figure, and looks to be hardware on either side of the connector, but hard to tell which until you test with dissimilar mobo.
I am working with Areca on this one now, they think it is either an issue with the card itself, or an incompatibility in between the M4's with the latest firmware and the card. The latter will be a fix, the former will be a replacement card. I will update the thread as I fix it, for reference.
I will be very interested to hear of the results! I actually have a 1882x setting on my desk right now :) gonna fire it up :)
You may want to hold off on flashing m4s to the 0009 firmware. Areca just got back to me saying that the new firmware on marvell sata3 ssd's will prevent an 1880 from initializing. I THINK they are working on a fix, but no eta. Sucks to be me! I upgraded all 7 of mine and i am pretty sure the firmware flash is a one way street. I can get it to boot, but the process is insane. If anyone is stuck in my spot, pm me and i will walk you through it.
yes it is x, and not IX. it is ES. they arent available publicly yet. I will test an IX as soon as they are ready as well :) they are awaiting a few components for its completion. i do have a bit of news on teh IX, but need to await confirmation on what i have read in the contained manual.
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u...1/DSCF6002.jpg
hard to tell if you are being serious nizzen...
does it work or not? i need to see if my mobo will boot with both arecas then we could see some cool numbers :)
gah that is unfortunate. great thing about areca though is that they fix issues like this ASAP!!
Yep, Areca is on the case. The bought an m4 just to test and fix it.
For now, if you disconnect power from all of the drives, boot, get into the bios for the card, connect to the web gui with a second computer through the card's ethernet port, re plug in each ssd, one at a time, and check to see if the card is picking them up. When all of the drives are back and the raidset is normal, you can do a warm reset and it will boot. Some of the drives will have to be unplugged and plugged back in several times to be recognized. Clear as mud, right? I honestly have no idea how i figured it out...
Before i saw this, I testet several things to get around the issue. I managed to hotswap one and one ssd and used f5 in http storagemanager. Then i got all m4 reconized. I set up all in raid-0. Benched, an got numbers from only one drive! Still all was set up in raid-0. I booted, and the array was found. Tested again, and still 510 MB/s read... Strange :(
No clue, but i hope it will be this week. I would be suprised if it went longer than 2 weeks. Put the heat on them, send nice but serious emails to their support guy. He is very helpful, but they may not realize the scope of affected users. The more people that email them, the faster this issue will get resolved.
That is weird. I get great performance from my array, even though it was created with the f/w bug. I initially set up the ssd array while booting from a second raid array. No idea why your performance is in the toilet.
I got it to work, but it does not work with cold-boot. Then it is useless for an OS array. That sux!
Cant f.. wait for a fix :(
Too bad it does not work properly, when the speed is excellent.
Well this is the first ever bug for me with the Areca 1880 :shrug:
I just ordered the 1880 and (2) M4 128GB drives yesterday and stumbled across the last few pages in this thread... ugh.
Just to be clear the drives are not being detected and initialized so the RAID is not showing up online?
I'll be setting up RAID 0 for a Hyper-V test bed platform and wanted to know if there are any controller / strip size tips you guys could throw my way?
Thanks
Thankfully my drives showed up with 0002 firmware so I'll stick with this until I hear more on a solution.
Here is a response I got back from Areca on the 0009 firmware:
Here are my initial results without any tweaking so far:Quote:
the problem seems related with the new SSD firmware and the SAS processor, we can not avoid this problem by our side.
the new firmware have problem when use 6G SAS hosts, we can reproduce same problem by LSI SAS HBA and raid cards. our marketing team will forward our analyze result to Crucial.
Best Regards,
Kevin Wang
Attachment 120619
Official email from Areca:
Below is the test result from our engineer. You may report the problem to Crucial.
We bought one piece of Crucial M4 SSD and found the issue generated by M4 0009 firmware hang up when the LSI 2108 or 2208 ROC RAID or host adapter do the following action.
"We guess if SSD receive COMSAS primitive (SAS phy use it to verify if SAS device is connected), link will be lost short after link negotiated during SSD power on period.
If we let phy unconnected, and SSD powered up awhile, then, plug phy, SSD can be recognized."
It is very easy to duplicate the issue when it connects to LSI 6gb/s SAS expander.
User can 100% duplicate it by our ARC-1880ix-24 (it has installed 6gb/s SAS expander on controller).
User can duplicate it directly attach to LSI 2108 or 2208 ROC by hot plug the M4 SSD.
We also use the LSI host adapter to test it.
It also has the same issue.
Please request customer reported it to Crucial.
We can provide the LeCory SAS analyzer tarce to Crucial if Crucial needs it.
Best Regards,
Benjamin Jiang
Well, it sounds like I need to raise the alarm with Crucial now. I doubt they will be as quick to resolve it as Areca was. In the meanwhile, I bought an LSI 9265-8i to get it up and running. No expander, no issues. I will keep after this, for those that are still having issues. They replicated exactly what I figured out. You can get it to boot on 0009 M4 firmware, but not pretty.
:Nice find, thanks for the update, lets bombard Crucial with Emails :) !!!:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::soap::dammit:
Less awesome news: The brand new shiny LSI 9265 won't boot with them either. :censored: Compu, did you get your 9265 to boot with the 1880 in at the same time? I can get the machine to boot when the drives are in the Areca, the LSI is on the MB, and with my hot swap trick. If the the LSI has the drives connected, the card doesn't see them, but makes it through BIOS. LMK if you have tested that config. It looks like the bug is affecting all LSI ROC's that are new. Thanks.
Hello Storagegeeks :D
Please send emails to Crucial about this problem! Maybe some of you with perfect English can make a thread on Crucial forums? :)
Then post a link here :p
It sux to have many M4s and not be able to use it on the Areca 1880. I have to use the IBM M1015 :eek:
Thank you my friends!
edit; sorry, found the thread!
http://forums.crucial.com/t5/Solid-S.../61109/page/29
Is there no way to downgrade the firmware?
Not safely, from what I have read. I really wish I could, however...
Crucial was a huge pain in the ass on the phone. Guy basically told me: "screw you, don't use consumer SSD's with RAID cards. We don't have to support that." Pisses me off really bad, considering that I dropped $1400 on these things and they don't work, but would have if I hadn't updated the firmware. Slam them with emails, people. That is totally unacceptable. If we yell loud enough, they might fix it. If they don't they can count on me never buying a micron product again.
this is distressing. VERY much so. There will be resolution to this, of that i am sure.
@ razor- i am unable to boot any multicard configs with my mobo, it is a POS. the E760 has an issue with an abnormally small amount of Option ROM. so this has been a long standing issue. I am waiting for SB-E to get off this board, but until then i am of no use for multi-card info. I suspect that your problem is similar, i see you are using a 759. They absolutely suck in that respect. the LSI cards wouldnt even work on these mobos for about six months becuase of this issue.
Big thing here, though.
LSI doesnt support consumer gear, but through the coordinated effort of many users here, and at other forums, and SLAMMING them with Emails and support calls, they did fix the issue for single cards to work on these mobos. \
hopefully, we can broker some sort of similar thing for this M4 issue!
I actually have a e760 now. That is in another rig. Compu, if you can get as many people as you can to email Crucial about the issue, it would help. My voice and time to use it online is limited, but you seem interconnected in more places. I will keep following Crucial in hopes that they resolve it. I sent another message to Areca and asked if there was anything they could do to get around the bug, since Crucial was being a PITA. He told me that he would ask the engineers. Not a guarantee that they can fix it, but at least they are trying.
I've already posted in the Crucial forum about a week ago on this same issue but there's no responses yet on a fix.
Update from Crucial:
Hello Razor,
I have forwarded on the information. Currently I don’t have anything new to tell you. Our parent company that makes the SSD’s Micron Technology is aware of customer’s reporting issues so they have purchased the RAID card and they are currently conducting testing. When I get informed I will let you know.
Dan Norris
Crucial Technical Support
Thanks for all of the attention and emails everyone. It looks like we might get this resolved! Keep the pressure on them!