I reported it to the mysterious man of MDPC.
Ian: No compromise in any corner please or he slaps me :D
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I reported it to the mysterious man of MDPC.
Ian: No compromise in any corner please or he slaps me :D
Probably should sleeve that 8 pin extender so Dualbrain lets it in S_D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
Loves the photos, those are ones I wanted to see. That is just top notch work there. :up:
WOW Snipe - NICE JOB :clap:
the flow (cable & tube) is true to its name it was given :up:
sorry to quote your pics -
in the above pic, are there rivets missing from the panel along the right side of the pic?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
also...i would have loved to see black rivets rather than the the silver ones - they would help hide them from view - they kinda pop out when they are the only thing in silver
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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
this looks awesome!
I would change out that white fan connector & get a black one :)
Sure it would be better if sleeved, because plastic cables have no "sex". A cable is like a woman (sry Shazza and Dreamaxx) and with some clothes on they are just more interesting :DQuote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
But it's "I would do different" and not "I would do better".
Therefore: If it's free of too many compromises (PradaG already counts :D), I guess it can be taken into consideration. Every addition gets immortal so I always hope for not too many compromises. What gets on it will be there forever (even longer than MDPC-runner-man's life or all of your lifetimes), so the selection needs to be free of too many compromises - because it's a decision that can't be taken back. Less is more in that case.
Very nice to see how modding has evolved in the last 14 months :shocked:
How is performance of parallel compared to "normal" on the VGAs ?
This gotta be on MDPC !
Congrats
Great guys ;) - I will break out the sleeve and heatgun one last time for this build... that 8-pin is the only one not sleeved and you guys are lucky its only about 5 inches long ;)
also Prada THANKYOU I totally forgot to put those rivets in due to some order of assembly confusion when I first got it back from paint ;) I have the perfect black heatshrink to go over the fan connector that you guys see ;) these are all easy fixes and I greatly thank you for pointing them out to me :up:
you all have seen the preview video (www.dennishelmar.com/video) and when the final one is done I hope to be the first MDPC on video!
also the countersunk rivets do not exist in black, believe me I searched for ever but they must be countersunk and they are hard to find in the first place, never mind in black
So tight
That 24pin is an absolute Beauty!!! Very very nicely Done! :clap:
What sorta sleeves are those ?
:eek:
:up::up::up:
wow awesome might i ask where are the hds ?
one SSD is on the back of the 5.25" and one ssd down in the basement under the PSU
What sleeves? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bullydog
no prob...happy to:) ...i was just hoping you did not take it the wrong way ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
with the caliber of PC you have created, these little "odds & ends" take away from the details you want the eye to be drawn to - especially w/ minimalist approach to things
re the rivets...i have many lian li's in the stable (not a V2110) but your case appears to have similar construction to some of mine.. the V600 & V2000 have recessed rivets to attach the door guides
these have worked just fine (when you squeeze the rivet gun, the little bubble that exists in the pic @ PPCS squeezes in to the recessed groove & ends up flat & flush for my doors to close) & they are black
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=23184
hope it helps :yepp:
looking forward to the final pics :D
you mean on the hidden part of the PSU 24-pin? its nylon multifilament - not as nice as MDPC but it got here in a day which was what was necessary - I wouldnt really use it as my first choice for individual wire sleeving, its too flexy and shows the wire form too much. The only reason i decided to stay with it was that the 24-pin cables are completely hidden
Prada I have those, but my door wont go on when I use them in the countersunk holes on the v2110 - tolerances are too tight because of heavy paint :\
SniiPE great as always, its sounds repetitive now, after 25 pages, your work keep being amazing and the mos timportant thing, without trace of lack of creativity.
Now if you dont bother, I would like to know what is that smal line with, seems to be, white leds on top?
oooh...heavy paint:mad:.....never even crossed my mind...:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
well...maybe mcmaster has em...
http://www.mcmaster.com/#pop-rivets/=319s1j
but you would have to get them anodized (not sure if painting them would turn out right)
(fingers crossed) maybe will solve it :shrug:
So are they? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by millertime359
Colored wires?
yah, look through the work log they are just wiresQuote:
Originally Posted by bullydog
I was just considering it, I sprayed some black paint in a cup, and brushed it on with a brush - perfect, you can even see them anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by PradaG
NICE :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
& away they go :D
What SATA plugs have you used from the SSDs? I can't see them at all!
I just saw this, and I'm stunned.
I simply don't get it, how can a build with that amount of hardware be so clean?
The wires melt into the case so well, and the LC-loop must be one of the cleanest I have ever witnessed.
Guess I'll be sitting here a while trying to figure out what, exactly, I am looking at.
Very clean Ian, nice job! :up:
As for your photos - please ask your dad if he'll adopt me, hehe.
Seriously though, please give him my congrats on another round of stunning shots! :)
Damn thats a great mod. Well done dude!! and thanks for the thanks to the Lian Li team. We are watching and we love what you are doing.
If you have any more projects lined up, please feel free to contact me directly. I'll be able to arrange a sample quite easily for you or any other Modder Master (with credentials).
Please PM me.
Cheers
SNIIPE!!! What a wonderful thread to come back to! Ive been out of the loop :ROTF: for a bit, and just saw this build.... Incredible build once again. Keep up the good work
-lyl
hehe, I have worked hard create that effect of the wiresand it worked perfectly - this build would be less in anything but black I think :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Laine
as for the loop, I was half insane @ 4:30-5 am when putting it finally together (after 18hrs of straight modding/sleeving/assembly previous to that) and I was pleased to see when I got up the next morning that my psychotic-obsessive counterpart personality had done a good job on the tubing....:rofl:
90 degree blue sata cables are in the motherboard ports and the rest of the length of the cables is obviously hidden behind the tray.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamaxx
Cheers Charles, I wish I only had chosen the ST 1000 like you - Nils is giving me crap (;):)) because this enermax PSU has Y splitters and non-modular which makes the wires tangle :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
you cant see any of that though :wasntme:
as for my dad, :D he reads your comments charles, and all others here on XS and he thanks you I am sure :)
Thankyou warlockza, I didnt know there were any Lian-Li employees on this board and it is nice to meet you, give Hank C by best regards :)Quote:
Originally Posted by warlockza
Hey lyl, glad to see your still here! thank you for the kind wordsQuote:
Originally Posted by lyl
Sniipe, I can tell you're tired. :lol:
Go get you some sleep and rest up from that masterpiece.
I know it's probably a little frustrating to have such a fine work critiqued after all the blood, sweat and tears you've poured into it, but it's only because you're in an elite club where perfection is the new standard. That's a major accomplishment, and you should feel proud of that.
Sniipe: First of all GREAT job on this one ! It is a really impressive and clean build !
Also, I don't want to sound negative or anything, so don't take this as me saying I dislike it... but the one thing I would change, is I would neaten up those PCI-e power wires. Right now they all kind of twist randomly around each other. Making them all parallel like the 24-pin Mobo header would go a long way to making it perfect.
Again, great job ! :up:
as Zanz said. He just got all blue wire and rewired everything. Just got to take a little more care on keeping track of which wire is which. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by bullydog
Who would've thought our very own Snipe was capable of this !?!?!?!
I'm sure this'll get featured in a magazine real soon :up:
Awesome workmanship and dedication m8. Just awesome :eek:
Also, just on the side, how much would you charge for the parts + labor on that thing if it was a build for a client? :p:
Perkam
hehe perkam, I thought you would never notice ;) you know I am on MDPC already with my last system right? you sent me that PM with charles' latest beautiful build and I never replied but I was gonna say "yeah I am on that site too" :rofl: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
but yeah if I was gonna charge for this, its an immeasurable amount of hours put into design, building, it (and unless I value myself at like $6/hr) and the price would jump well over $12,000 USD
Some Might wonder why I am posting this next update, below are my 2 reasons, PLEASE don't hold back on the comments, I want to hear what you think.
1) In case you read the permafrost worklog, Nils has a way of getting to me, he eats away at me with his comments and honestly I lose sleep over the little things that he so deftly points out to me the instant he looks at a picture, things I don't even think about. This backside was something I thought about before showing it to Nils - quite a lot actually and I almost settled. But I showed it to Nils and Charles and they both chewed me up and spit me out over it - so I went back, gave it some thoughts and dug around for the right parts to make it better.
2) Bit-tech has a motto for its worklog posters that I quite like in this situation, that is "we want to see your successes and your failures" This is most definitely one of my failures, I am not scared of my failures though I am man enough to admit them and I am smart enough to learn from them. I felt bad all day today when thinking of what Nils had said to me (motivated bad, not sad bad so no worries Nils)
Before (wired for the LAN - short on supplies):
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/3...owback2174.jpg
After my work on it tonight:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/821/flowback6417.jpg
List of fixes:
-Heatshrunk ALL white connectors and colored wires Black
-Added more P-clips holding the 24-pin root wires and PCIE wires tidier
-Pulled 24-pin root wires in tighter to the PSU and made them much neater
-Added black painted modder's mesh cover to hide the Inherently tangled 24-pin (it is not untangle-able)
-added Rubber cover to the wire mess on the 5.25"
I think it looks a LOT better... at least for something that cant be seen when the case is together...
SNiiPE... everyone knows I can't build anywhere your level, hell I can't even see Charles's level from here. With that stated up front, I'll give you my honest opinion. I'm not a fan of this build as a whole, there are several elements that I do like, but not together in one build. The back side of the mobo tray is no where near what I expected out of you and was shocked to see the nibbler job. Like I said, some elements, just not together in one build...I can tell you rushed on this build.
The fixes you implemented on the back of the mobo tray are just hiding the mess you know you created, you don't want to look at it so just cover it up. I've been there, hell thats how I clean when my wife isn't looking.
My opinion, take it for what its worth...
I agree with what Skinnee has posted as to be honest it kind of feels like when I was a little kid and mum asked me to clean my room and my response to that was to throw a sheet over it and say “look its clean you can’t see any mess.”
It is a shame as I feel that this really lets down your build as all the attention has been given to the main side and it feels like you have rushed to finish it off and just stuffed everything back here with no real concern to the little details. Other things like the fill port on top really detract from the overall cleanliness of the build and I cannot see why you would even include it. And to be really candid I cannot feel any flow to the loop whatsoever. I just cannot put together the connection between the name and what is being shown – sorry.
Now this is just my opinion and there are certainly some things that I like about this build but as a whole it just does not feel up to the standard I expected of you.
My :2cents:
I would agree to a point. I'm always amazed at just how neat some of the really good builds are, especially the wire managment on the back-side. Charles' murdermods are just exceptional in this regard. I can never seem to reach the same neatness on my builds, there's always a connector or wire left over that needs to be shoved behind something or tucked away out of sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
As for this build, I still think the overall design and presentation is incredible, and I don't blame sniipe for covering the mess up like that, you're under a lot of time pressure here mate. As it stands now, it's an acceptable solution but like skinnee, i reckon with a bit more time you can do even better! :up:
Keep at it mate, we appreciate your efforts.
My 2 cents on the matter have been summed up quite well by skinnee and Dangals. IMHO I would only add that, in principle, a build should have nothing to hide, and every detail should be attended to with the expectation of being scrutinized. This is true for your case here and TJ07s for example, although the built-in compartmentalization gives a bit more flexibility on where to tuck things away. This is doubly true for wide-open cases e.g. my Pinnacle or other MM cases, where it's impossible to hide things even if I wanted to. "Out of sight, out of mind" must be put...well, out of mind.
I do wish to say that your workmanship and skill is obviously (I mean, "duh" obviously, just look at the photos) very high caliber, and definitely inspiring. It would have been icing on the cake to see the same effort on the less visible side of things. That nibbler cut...oooh...if it were my case and even if I never showed it to anyone else, it would eat me up from inside. You know that feeling? Like you know in your heart that it could have been done better.
I would like to note one thing - there is a specific reason that I did some things the way I did -
enermax uses y-splitters on the the wires out of the PSU - so midway up the red wire out of the PSU it splits into 3 wires. this makes it physically impossible to untangle the wires in their current state (save one fix that thought of which I ordered parts to do just a minute ago)
Secondly, some of you are comparing this to a TJ07 and I have this to say to you - you have no less (probably more) than twice the wire space I have to work with behind the tray. I Have a full 9.5mm to work with behind the tray and certain methods to flatten the cables so that my side panel doesnt bow out like a turtles shell. I am looking for the proper exterior look over the proper interior one here.
these are NOT excuses and I will be doing everything I can to work on this backplane this week and next thank you guys for your criticisms :\
My opinion is that form should follow function. Style for style's sake is perfectly fine as long as it doesn't impede functionality, and it's done tastefully. If that means hiding some of the mess of wires away, or hiding a nibbler job, so be it. While I agree it'd look better if it didn't have any tangles to hide, I think if your goal is a clean, streamlined look (which is what I interpret this build as trying to deliver) then there is nothing wrong with hiding the tangle to achieve that end if it's necessary. As I'm pretty sure this build won't be displaying the back of the motherboard tray, it's excusable, and hey, if push came to shove SNiiPE could always get an extra mobo tray for this case and re-do it without the nibbler bite-mark and such, right?
Aww, I actually quite like the idea of the grill, and the front of the case is absolutely impeccable. It is very difficult to get the back looking just as gorgeous everyone, so you have to give him a little leeway. I would like to see that horrid nibbler area, and where there is electrical tape or something cleaned up a bit coz I think that is perfectly easy to do. But the rest of it looks really good to me! Sniipe, I truly do think you have done a great job. Wish I could get my case cut with such precision, I think I need to make my own router! :)
I agree with some of the aforementioned comments. I agree that the nibbler job had shivers running up my spine, though I understand that with the time constraints you had no real other option. That being said, I want to stand back and look at this fairly. You have put so much hardware into this computer that a dead-simple, dead-sexy wiring job like Permafrost had is just damn near impossible, and I am tempted to put it at impossible today. You have so many difficult bits to work with here (a transparent block in the 5.25" cage, removing a big wire-management area; using a quad fan controller [man, do I know how bad that thing is to wire]; the list goes on and on. However, you have pulled off a great job, even in the back, IMHO. I can appreciate all the work you have done to the rear panel, but my concern is that you have covered most of it up, so no one can see the great job you did. Yes, the 24-pin isn't perfectly organized, but you improved it bigtime, along with the rest of the wiring. Take that sheet of mesh off and show off your work!
I give you huge props for posting these pictures out for us to comment on, and I just hope my two cents can make a difference.
-Paul
Sorry but I wholly disagree with many of the former comments. The back isn't on display, it is never seen, it doesn't matter. It's like complaining that the foam padding in a seat looks like crap...even though the seat is covered in awesome supple soft and sexy leather.
The mesh, eh it can go, but overall I couldn't give a rats behind on how an unseen, hidden portion of a build looks. (in this case, it still looks fine, its not like its hideous back there compared to the rest). Give it some more work, and it'll be perfectly fine. I will second ditching the mesh at least, it seems very much out of place.
Overall i'd say yes it isn't up to par as the rest of the build. No, it is nowhere close to detracting to the build for me, and yes, this is most definitely a MDPC.
I was going to say this same thing, until I thought about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shlomo
When I am making a website and I want to set the background color I could either do <body bgcolor=""> or I could set the color in the CSS, like I am supposed to. Both with give the the same output on screen and unless you looked at the source you would never be able to tell the difference. However, one is the correct way to do it and one is the wrong way.
Just because no one will see it does not make it ok. If you are striving for perfection there can be no compromises.
Sniipe, I love that comp so much. It looks amazing and I can tell you put some thought into it. Very nice job. :up:
PM sent.
with the tj07 there is a good 1/2-5/8" of space on the back of MB tray to the back of the case door or with a mountain mod its split in half, with almost everything else including the v2110 u have just under 1/4" other than making a giant ribbon for each set of cables and soldering all of the device connectors directly to the psu there is nothing that u can do. if u have a larger back side of the case u can make a giant sleeve and keep it all bound up. i have the same wire management problems on my p180 i cant run things through the back since its to small and i would have to do individual or pair sleeving and it would be a mess or run them up the center panel and make it a mess
so IMO it comes down to what he has now, or soldering everything together
Let me clarify my statement from aboveI'll be a bit more specific I guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
It has nothing to do with the space...there is blue electrical tape in the before lan party image.
sniipe, I must say you did a great job of fixing it up bro. Im not great at pointing out the smallest details, but After the effort you have put into this, I say you did a heck of a job even with the backside of the case. Bravo! :up:
Ian, just to add a few comments:
You've done a marvelous job with this build. You obviously spent hours doing the design, and then made sure it was well-executed. The case is stunning - a big improvement on it's rather mundane/office-appropriate look before (that's not a dig on the case - I like that look for some applications). You won the modding competition; you won the new CPU; you've received many well-deserved kudos, and you've progressed your reputation which will no doubt lead to more sponsored builds. That would be enough for most people. BUT, hats off to you for wanting to make it perfect.
I just reviewed the MDPC website for a quick check. I didn't look at all the systems, but you'll notice that not all have photos of the back of the motherboard area (not saying they aren't well done, just maybe there were no pics or they weren't exciting enough to show). But, when you do see one with this part showing - it's hard not to go "WOW." I can't speak for Nils and his secret committee, but I'd guess this absolutely perfect/no compromise trend in ALL areas of the case is one we'll continue to see evolve. In fact, I don't recall seeing the back of the motherboard on PermaFrost either, so not sure if it received the same attention to detail as the rest of the system. What made PermaFrost standout was the white interior, the colors, the way you laid out the interior, and the wonderful photography. Now that others have showcased the back of the case, that pushes the bar for everyone else - just as you have raised it when it comes to case design, and now innovative 24-pin wire management.
Soooo ... I guess it really is up to you as to where you want to go with the build. I don't think MDPC should necessarily be everyone's goal (I'm guessing it is one of yours). Fit for purpose is up to the individual. But, in one of your earlier comments, you said it would be over $12K if you were building this for a client. What do you think the client would expect for that amount of money? ;) Most importantly, it's what satisfies you, not any of us.
You've told us you had time pressures with the last of the build. Hopefully you have some time now to work on it some more, if you so choose. Of course, it's not as much fun redoing things as it is designing and creating something new. Good Luck, and I hope you're having fun in the process!
(apologies for going a bit philosophical here; some of the responses to your question just got me pondering . . .)
To answer your specific question on how it looks now -- much better in the after pic. I see you changed out the white molex and 8-pin connector - that helps a lot. The thing that grabs my eye now are the unsleeved portions of the fan wires.
he has the 8 pin soldered to the back of the board, isnt the electrical tape needed to keep it from causing problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
there is also a little bit of blue electrical tape in the wiring harness to the left right above some molexes- looks like its from splice work
Great to see you are working on the backside Ian!!! :)
There is a saying I used one day: "When you think it's done, it just begins!" :D
And when it comes to MDPC: Why showing something now if it can be even better after a little redo. Get to the max. That's what it's about. And why older systems didn't need to show of the backside? As Shazza found out: It wasn't important, but "the C." forces us to go to that level now. Always compare with the latest 2-3. The rest is history and has it's place because by that time it was on top and inspiring: The foundation of what we see today. And so it goes on and on.
Go for it Ian :)
Hey Snipe, I've got a few ideas on the backside giving it a kind of clean mac-feeling, of course with it's own twist.
I'll shoot you a PM with some sketches if you're interested.
Cheers.
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Originally Posted by skinnee
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoonXX
Guys, I am not about to play with fire in my computer, the electrical tape @ the 8-pin stays no matter what, maybe I'll change it to black
as far as the molex electrical tape, that is covered now by the black rubber in there, I ordered the right stuff to fix it in my order last night
I would love to hear your ideas Laine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Laine
Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
Thankyou for your comment sharon - I have shown the backside of permafrost before, it was similar to this one - but cleaner because I had less wires overall.
I will deal with the fan wires, i cannot sleeve them as I do not have any MDPC sleeve but I will find a way
one thing I must make clear here guys - these backside pictures are not and never will be on MDPC - I do not plan of having these put up on the site I am fixing the wires to challenge myself. My reasoning is this:
You want to know what the right side of the case looks like? it has a side panel on it - you want to know how many of these wiring fixes I am doing you can see with said side panel on? none
One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.
Now hang on just a minute. The only reason people are making these comments is because you asked us to. If you hadn't requested us to honestly critique your build, i for one wouldn't have made a single negative comment, because i know i couldn't do anything like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
As everyone has already said, we reckon it's bloody fantastic and most of us have nowhere near as much talent.
why is there so much pressure on Ian & this build? he's already shown us so many new things, who really cares what the wires in the back look like? are you people just trying to drive the kid nuts? what is the point of that wiring "challenge" as the critics are putting it? "We want to see how much wiring you can do before you consider taking a entire bottle of tylenol" ...? FFS, does the computer look s3xy? yes. has there been innovative wiring in this build that is already visible? yes. i'm all for braided wiring... when you can see it- but anything past their just has inane written all over it.
i hope you continue push the envelope ian, but don't push yourself over the edge in the process for something no one will ever see........ and thanks for the great build log so far :up:
I am not talking about wiring critique, read my words carefully and read other posts carefully ;) mostly everyone (including yourself) did exactly what I was expecting and deserved, rip apart the wiring, some ripped apart the build on account of the wiring.Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
EDIT: cheers Rise, and thank you - I take it you didnt make it to Noreaster?
In other news I just ordered this beautiful Deck Keyboard for my system :) I cant wait to get it!
http://www.deckkeyboards.com/images/ice_105_large.jpg
which operating system(s) does Project Flow boot? XP? Vista? 7? Ubuntu? SuSE? Have you considered a dual or otherwise >single boot arrangement?
So the electrical tape is for safety :O Wouldn't heat shrink probably be better? I'd be afraid the electrical tape would fall off or something, I know how sticky it is (or not sticky).
SNiiPE, I couldn't give a rats arse about the wires on the back side but, if you feel you can make it better back there. . .go for it. :up:
Hmmmnnn ... not sure if you took offense to my comments. If so, I apologize, because that is not what was intended. I got off on a bit of a tangent because your question and the responses brought up some interesting points. I've been watching with interest as the level of detail in builds has escalated over the last year or two. I thought it appropriate to make my comments in your work log because you are one of the top guys here who is leading the evolution. What you've accomplished here is far beyond what I, and I imagine many others, could hope to do.Quote:
One thing I do not get: the people telling me the build is no good because I showed you the wires on the back panel. I only post these pictures because I have no illusions and I am not a coward in regards to my shortcomings. That has no bearing on the build as a whole because you know what - like I said above you cant see the wires when the case is assembled, none of them at all. Also I must reinforce the above point that the fixes I am doing are for me, not for show, I am only doing it because it is not easy.
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the photos showing the front and overall case view.
heatshrink wont cover all of the metal on the terminal and the last thing I need is a dead CPU or worse a fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamaxx
I dont know what OS is going to go on there for final - right now I have win7RC on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Quixylvre
Thanks WL :) thats exactly what I intend to do :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
the acrylic pump top is a product of assembling the loop on the counter of the kitchen on tuesday (4 days from LAN) and finding the loop is too restrictive to give a good waterfall effect in the res - so Hanlk and James of PPCs kindly and quickly overnighted me a second pump and top, unfortunately the acrylic on was the only in stock at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by p0Pe
hey Sharon, I was not even talking about your post- your comments were thoughtful and about the value thing, true. I wont name names but if you read the posts it is clear who I am talking to.Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
Your waterblock setup on the videocards still confuses me! :shrug:
But I love your build :cool:
My personal suggestion would be dual-booting Win7 64-bit and the 64-bit version of OpenSuSE v11.1, using KDE3 as the desktop environment on the latter. SuSE is VERY user-friendly and it'd give you a chance to experiment with Linux. The proprietary ATI driver available for Linux even supports dual-GPU CrossFire.
I can see from both sides on this issue.
It's true that no one will see the wiring as long as the side panel's on. And I very much like the "seat cushion" analogy in that no one cares what the foam inside looks like as long as it's layered leather on top of it.
On the other hand..
I also understand the critique about the wiring and what Nils was saying before. What Charles has done w/ his recent build has raised the bar yet again. He's made wiring not an afterthought or a "have to" but a focal point of a build that factors into the overall impression it gives to its viewers. Three-four years ago, hardly anyone watercooled. Two years ago, some watercooled and cosmetics were an afterthought--it was all about performance. A year ago, cosmetics continue to progress and it's all about how "tidy" a build is.. about "hiding" the bad parts (the wiring.) Today, with popularity rising in the PC modding market and sites like MDPCs coming along, cosmetics are just as if not MORE important than performance.
And the evolution continues. So when someone like Charles comes along and wires the back of a case perfectly, rising above and beyond the prior standard which was simply "hiding" it and now makes it even pleasant to look at, that's now the new standard going forward. Not everyone will achieve it, and that's what makes it special. Not making it a new standard, in a way, detracts from the work that Charles was able to accomplish.
I really like the concept of MDPC and, I'll be honest, I hope it's around for a long time and hope to have a build on there one day. I think it's helping to raise the bar of expectations and push PC-modding to places it's never been before both in popularity and quality of work. And when Nils posts, I usually agree with his mindset of the site's mission and purpose.
With all that said, Sniipe, as I've already said on a few occasions, I think you did a hell of a job on that computer, and it's still one of the most impressive builds I've ever seen.
weld the backside panel onto the case... then its not a problem :)
I hope you weren't referring to my comment as well...:confused:...but if you are then I do apologize, I absolutely did not mean to give a negative impression or say the build is "no good." Merely my humble opinion from putting myself in your shoes. No way. I do think it looks fantastic. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
certainly not you either kibbler ;) - its very clear who I am talking about trust me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
snipe, I completely understand the elec tape on the backside of the mobo, i wasnt critiquing that, sorry if it did come across that way.
I understand the whole "fun" of dealing with enermax PSUs.
front side is incredible, and yes...that is where it matters most, and I also know about how much "fun" a narrow backside of the mobo tray is...my case has (if im lucky) 9mm to work with, and even then I'm having to cut sections out to work with it (it was a case that went through QA in 06 and is actually a fairly old design case with ZERO cable management to begin with)
I'm willing to guess that in hindsight you're kinda wishing you didn't go with that enermax PSU
I would just like to say that I think you have done a heck of a job with the vision and the follow through. It simply looks radiant and clean. Very beautiful build. :up:
I seriously considered dropping it completely as soon as I took the big stock sleeve off and saw those splitters... but for me it is a fine like between performance and aesthetics - the efficiency and line stability of the rev85+ is head and shoulders above the ST1000 I would have replaced it with and so I stuck with it. I have a fix for the 24-pin by manually modularizing it, you will see it later this week if my package comes in on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoonXX
Edit: Cheers Sadasius :toast:
So, what is the story on that FC-3 panel? I have a lot of stuff to do, as I am about to be on my way down to college, but despite that I love that cover, and I am awaiting that contest eagerly :D
I will be setting up the contest soon, probably tonight or tomorrow - get your watercooling parts ready people!
Get the watercooling parts ready by tonight?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Darnit I'm not ready :doh:
Contest?!? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
overall snip i think it looks great :up: who cares bought the back u never see it . . .
and contest ?????
well the initial entry period will be a few days - but yes guys, the contest I will be having will be a watercooling edition of Fugger's Simon says contest - the "registration" for the contest will not require any watercooling parts but subsequent portions will ;)
and of course the wonderful grand prize will be the 2nd design one-of-a-kind lamptron FC-3 designed by me :) there will be good runner-up prizes for modders as well :up:
Awesome contest idea! :up: Damn it I am at work till 11pm...:cussing:
contest rounds will be, at their shortest length, 24hrs long - that way people all around the world can participate, I will ship anywhere ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
points go for creativity and hilarity of the pictures
WOOHOO! :up: Got 2 drains on my build so it will drain quickly!
YESSSS!!!! Ready and willing to rip the computer apart. I am gathering all spare parts...
yeah, the enermax revos are really amazing for stability/etc...but i really dont know why enermax continues to insist on a lot of their halfbaked things...stopping stock sleeve INCHES away from a connector, the splitters concealed within stock sleeve, sleeving up to the first connector only (well, ok, a bunch of companies do that)
edit: anything for us that don't watercool?
hmmm - I am sorry that it is only watercooling Dragoon - I want the contest to be for people making new/updated builds that will be of need of the controller and have a good use for it and will be using it in a build in the LC worklogs section
awwwww i dont have any liquid cooling
though i wouldant have room/use for it but itd find a home soon probably
I understand snipe...I don't need the fan controller, both my current rigs have one, I'm just more interested in finding out what the rest of the "goodies" would be, lol
'IF'.....I win that custom Lamptron controller I will be swapping the blue LED's for red one's. Would look cool I think. Then again I would have to win it first so I am getting ahead of myself here. :rofl:
I'm a busy busy guy thats for sure
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3976/wires2269.jpg
sniipe what is that?
its all 24 wires laid out and cut to exact length in my living room on the foot stool, I work on the couch so that I can stand to do it for more than 20 minutes or so at a time.
What 4890 Cards are you using ? =o
Hehe, I did the opposite - I wanted a blue theme for the HAF, so I changed it's front 230mm fan to blue. Great project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
Coming along nicely snipe. :up: I'm not in a need of a fan controller, but seeing my rig is missing a MB atm and I don't have many extra parts yet. I don't think i would have a chance. ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226486Quote:
Originally Posted by Sadasius
I did something similar on a FC-2
it shouldn't be that difficult and Lamptron made it super easy to take the unit apart, I would safely assume the FC-3 is the same.
Some cool stuff in that thread. I like that mod very much, and if I had an FC-2, it would already be in pieces on my desk :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IKIKUINTHENUTZ
24-pin is done and I'll tell you guys this - it looks incredible. The way I wired it and directions I crimped the pins the cable automatically sits flat to the motherboard tray in a 2 wire thickness with no zip tie holders or anything.
pics later maybe tomorrow because I must attend to my girlfriend ;)
Indeed very important task you got there :D We can wait a bit for the pics, don't worry bro. You don't wanna have to end up molesting the fill port :ROTF:, go take care of your girl man ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Lol, looking forward to it. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Take your time on the wires snipe! No deadline this time :D
wait why are you redoing the 24pin? is it because of the back side? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
the front visible portion of the 24-pin is untouchedQuote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Penguin
these jokers here like to give me :banana::banana::banana::banana: (because I ask for it, and I need my potassium) so now I got to redo the wiring on my psu lol - it looks a lot better now though
Can't wait for that comp, I might do the Project Flow Tribute ;) Seeing as I also have a 4890, a quadcore Phenom II and the same motherboard :D