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Just had a quick question, anyone may know. But is that solid backplate custom, or purchaseable from some where?Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
Also, Charles.. Are the case panels IE: Front panel, Top plexi, rear modded, available for purchase from you?
yeah i think thats how he interpreted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
i believe the backplate is custom. the top plexi was custom, front panel custom, so pretty much all of it was custom and charles could give details on having that work done.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1badhabit
As already mentioned on previous pages. All the items will be available soon - globally :)
Soon. I've been waiting months for this. :yepp:
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Originally Posted by dualbrain
Yeah, seen it after I posted, way to go me! Really looking forward to it.
you are not the only one - I always liked the murderbox but never would have been able to get it down here in Aus without paying a obcene amount in shipping - now with murdermod all those worries are now gone (well almost - checks the site to see if it has changed....:shakes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
It cannot be long now!
I'm sorry for the delay guys - we just want everything to be right. We really appreciate your patience. :)
We're in the home stretch now - almost there!
Couple of quick snaps of two of the backplates we'll be offering. The wide shot is an inverted ATX w/cooling cutouts and the closeup is standard ATX...
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/DSC_5586.jpg
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/DSC_5598.jpg
The hand model we lined up fell through... ;)
Looks great charles. Where do I sign up??
Are you going to be selling your custom midplate at all?
Any chance I could send you my drive bay brackets and motherboard tray for powdercoating?
Awesome, thanks Charles. I believe your going to have your hands full, once MurderMod.com launches.Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
Mmm brushed alu, yummy :p:
C'mon c'mon, faster! :D
:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
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Originally Posted by SCOTTY
Cheers 1badhabit. :)
Cheers BlueAqua. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
Everything used to make a murderbox TJ07 will be available - midplate and all.
Your powder coating question is an interesting idea I hadn't thought about - Since we'll be powder coating parts for those choosing a fully modded case, there's no reason we couldn't also shoot ppl's parts... Ideally we'd receive your stuff and then ship them back with the parts you'd ordered... hmm... good idea! I'll have to discuss this with Nils and report back. :)
mama mia, sexy backs :D
:slobber: these are an absolute must for any TJ07 owner - I'm down for one!
:worship:More show us more!:worship:
Charles, how will the mobo be attached to that plate?
It won't be attached to the board, have a look at #604:Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=604
the plate will be mounted to the back, the mobo will be mounted to the "stock" mobo-tray...
Well, that's what I think...^^
Will you be offering any of the related but not quite murdermod branded bits:
MDPC Sleeving etc?
Are you taking any Pre-Orders ? Would give you an indication of the level of interest in these parts - which I'm sure will be huge.
Just hope the stocks don't run out before I get mine,I foresee these flying out the door as soon as they are released.
Here you can buy mdpc sleevingQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfTheReal
http://www.mdpc-x.com/
well now i know what im going to spend my birthday money on :S
Any chance we can get that page offered in English, and can we order from there in America? Thanks, Nils!Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimeus
Hey Hiiyah777,
we already thought about that, since this material is different than the "normal" materials you can buy everywhere, because the diameters are just "right". The 4,4mm sleeving adds a nicer look (that's why the Germans freak out about it ;)) to the individual sleeved cables than the common 3,2mm / 6,4mm materials. Also I am very proud about the SATA-sleevings, because they exactly match the diameter of ~8mm SATA-II cables. It makes a big difference compared to 9,5mm or 10,2mm sleeves on SATA once you bend the cable. The bigger ones get wide ... the exact one stays on the cable-shape like a charme.
The only challenge might be the pricing, since I have to make a big shipment to Charles / Canada, because this stuff is made in Germany (on order = huge quantities). If we could stay below or equalize the price of CleanCut plus 3:1 Shrinks, we can make it available in Americas - we just want to stick to reasonable pricing with whatever we do - even that we would have something unique (at least that's what I know) over there in Can / USA. :)
This mdpc-x thing was just created to make my life easier, since I got so many private-requests. That is why it was never promoted by me in any way :)
I will discuss the option of a murdermod-sleeving-cable-management-kit with Charles tonight.
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Originally Posted by dualbrain
i for one would definitely buy it. if there is a way to work it out i would definitely like to know.
i think emoners means how will the new back plate be held to the board tray. you would drill out the rivets on the stock back plate and could use screws thru the holes in the new plate or put in your own rivets. rivets would be better cause it will hold well, if you use screws you may have to put nuts on or use screws bigger than the hold diameter and it should thread thru the plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrossmeisterBIt won't be attached to the board, have a look at #604:Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=604
the plate will be mounted to the back, the mobo will be mounted to the "stock" mobo-tray...
Well, that's what I think...^^
i plan to get one of the inverted back plates at some point and will try using screws, imo, hex head cap screws would look slick. i'd try 1/4 inch length and order a pack from mcmaster.
Charles, when the parts become available will they be powdercoated or will that be an option?
Thanks for the comments guys. :)
Just as GrossmeisterB and 64dragon have said; you drill out 8 rivets and discard the supplied backplate (or you could use it as the front of a two-story birdhouse. The two 92mm fan holes would make excellent doorways). The new murderMod backplates have holes that line up with the holes in the motherboard tray bracket. Black rivets will come with the backplate and you line 'em up and pop 'em in.Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
The website will have detailed installation instructions for all the parts we'll be offering... with glossy full color pics. :D
Yes... right down to the black oxide screws. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfTheReal
No pre-orders I'm afraid. Until we got everything sorted to our satisfaction, we didn't want to take anyone's money. Once the process is up and running, turn around should be good. If there are items that are more popular than we predict, we'll just have to work harder to ensure inventory is available.Quote:
Originally Posted by oily_17
This is a question we've been wrestling with. Here's the problem; if we powder coat backplates, there's no way they will match whatever "black" you use for your existing internals. One thing I've learned in the past year is just how many shades or black there are - not to mention finishes. It's best to have everything you plan to have black painted together at the same time. We'll offer the murderMod TJ07 case powder coated but at this time, I'm thinking we'll only offer the individual parts in raw, brushed aluminum - ready for powder coating, anodizing, spray painting or crayons.Quote:
Originally Posted by 64dragon
BlueAqua brought up a good point last week when he asked if we'd paint ppl's case parts for them. This could work - we just need to sort out some logistics. At least then you'd get all your innards matching.
I was hoping to take some pics of more of the items we'll be offering but alas, my light source has chosen not to cooperate. Perhaps Sunday will live up to it's name.
Cheers All. :)
Really appreciate all the updates!
I love this thread...
What a bunch of exciting information ;)
Any new updates about the launching of MurderMod.com?
Thanks Guys. :)
We're nearly there!
Nils is finalizing the website and I'm working on the product images. If all goes well we should be able to launch within a week. :)
Meanwhile, here are a couple of faceplate logo closeup pics...
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/DSC_5745.jpg
with light on...
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/mM.0062.jpg
:slobber: put me down for one of them!!:D
can't wait for the site to go live because if these product shots are anything to go by then I am sure it will be awesome!!
keep up the good work!
i would buy a nicely designed side window for my new tj07 project :)
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Originally Posted by charles_h
can you show me the backside of this part ??
Looks great Charles, thank you!
Thanks for the comments Guys. :)
I'm afraid we won't be launching with side window designs but we've got some planned for future release. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by unkn0wnhacka
Many more pics will be on the website. I wouldn't buy anything I couldn't see from every possible angle, nor would I expect anyone else to. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by seb87
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/mM.0455
The faceplate mount, lightbox and optical door opening mechanism allows use of all the upper drive bays. The faceplate kit also includes the optical drive door cover which matches the faceplate.
thats what ive been waiting for, looks amazing! :up:
You BETTER have TONNES of stock because you are going to get bombarded with orders!
Have you thought about selling cables ONLY that are PRE SLEEVED? it would be good for people like me who can't be bothered taking plugs off :D
you dont have to take plugs off the cables that came with the case, i didn't and it came out fine, it might be easier tho. however some of my sleeving is starting to fray now (6 months later) but charles will be selling glue-lined heatshrink which will solve that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dingdong555
I have a TJ07 and it wants UPGRADES!!!
Let's go Murdermod!! :D
That proper sucks that they cant even manufacture it to make a proper contact with the ram chips, Il be sure not to buy EK water blocks in future, well I already have 2 but def avoiding the GPU ones!
The detailing on this case is awsome! Must have taken ages to get all the lines in th front panel!
A work of art more than a PC case mod
uh it is finished dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by bassdominator
This has been one of my favourite build logs on all of xtreme systems :)
When friends dont see whats great about building/modding computers, i show them this, and they just stand there and say wow.
I cant wait till the murdermod is open!!! :up:
+1! This build is what i use to show off XS to my mates. They can't get enough of the sleeved cables and inpeccable wire management. It really is a work of art. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by hmmisee
+1 I showed this build to my partner and she responded with - build me a pc like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
Thanks for the comments and support guys. I can't tell you how much your kind words mean to me. Thank you also for your patience. Turns out summer is the worst time to launch a business selling custom made computer case parts. So many shops take holidays, sometimes shutting down entirely for weeks. Since coming up with the murderMod idea a few months ago, some things have gone smoothly, some things not so much. What we haven't done is compromise - on anything. What we'll offer are products we're proud of and in the end what matters is getting it right - not rushing to get the parts out.
Nils and I are working to get murderMod online ASAP. I've been focusing my efforts exclusively on murderMod for the past month. Once we're up and running smoothly, I'll begin the pure|murderbox build and worklog. Everything is in place to execute, I just need the time. When pure|murderbox is complete, our next project will be "aquatica" - a Plexiglas scratch build. The concept is complete, we just need to sort out some structural details. All being well, aquatica will commence early in the new year. Once the structural details are sorted, I'll post the concept renders. I won't even try to describe the design in words, I'll let the concept renders do the talking.
The weekend was all about murderMod product shots. Unfortunately, the weather (sun) wasn't too cooperative so I'll need another photo day or two to complete all the shots.
Here's another of the faceplate
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/mM.0716.jpg
...and mounted to Mr.TJ07 :)
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/mM.0925.a.jpg
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/mM.0846.jpg
Cheers all. :toast:
Now your just teasing us charles!:D
Pure murderbox is gonna be sweet, and what's this plexi thing all about?...
well, even in english for us Euro's who don't speak german bitte??Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
August is indeed a strange month as Charles said. There was also an unforseen "not-so-funny-coding-problem" with murdermod, that's why another two days are gone. I can't wait to complete it, because ... I WANT TO MOD!!! ;)
About the sleeving: Another example of August :D The production facility can deliver the goods to me by the end of August. Charles should get the sleeving material in the first two weeks of September. Of course - if it's earlier, the better. ... not for Charles, because he then has to measure, cut, roll, tape like a :dog:
Those faceplates look awesome :up:
I cant wait till this is open :)
Is the aquatica project going to be like the dangerden cases?
I guess no :) It would not make us happy to do what's already done.
Hey Charles, don't know if you consider it a trade secret or anything :) , but how did you get the juncture box and metal L brackets to stick without screws? It can't be tape. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
>6 months of research and lot's of fun :D
I get a half chub every time I see new posts in this thread.
Charles, do you take Kidneys as payment?
just the perfect case awesom work
but why not use a quad radiator?
so that's the answer?? :confused: I guess we go with trade secrets then. . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
Thanks for the comments Guys. :)
All will be revealed... in time. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by twwen2
Sorry for taking so long to respond, I’ve been utterly swamped this past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
I must say that what we’ve settled on to secure the faceplate brackets has as Nils said, come only after a massive amount of research an effort. For that reason we’re going to keep that to ourselves for the time being.
I can tell you what didn’t work if that’s any consolation. :)
The challenge is a result of the thickness of the faceplate – it’s too thick to bend and not thick enough to tap threads into. That being said, we’re not interested in changing the thickness because we’re happy with how it looks. The other issue is the optical drive door mechanism and the space it requires.
One test involved welding threaded studs to the back and securing brackets with nuts. This concept failed because the heat of the flash weld altered the molecular structure of the aluminum, resulting in discolored areas on the anodized front face. The discolored area was around the weld stud and was only noticed in two locations on 3 faceplate samples and only visible at certain angles. Never the less, this was obviously unacceptable. The next concept involved two part metal epoxy. While the tensile strength was satisfactory, failures came as a result of static shear. It was amazing really, you could pry on the bracket with a pair of pliers for all your worth and never pull one off yet just the slight constant or “static” load of a pound or two over time caused a few of the test samples to fail… and by fail I mean fall off.
The ultimate solution involved a mounting system that successfully absorbed static load while providing satisfactory shear resistance and permitting space for the optical drive door mechanism.
I’m sorry I’m not able to fully answer your question. I try to be as forthright as I can in sharing information about the way I do things. A few things however, we feel the need to keep to ourselves, at least for the time being. I hope you can understand why.
No but I could use an extra arm - that way I wouldn't have to lean the light reflector card on my head when I take pics. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by metachronos
The build was using hardware that Fried Chicken already had.Quote:
Originally Posted by evian_26
Cheers. :)
I can also add some news about MurderMod for the handful who is waiting for it: Today I uploaded it to a test area. There we will work on the last little details and create the little product-descriptions. We then have to finalize the photos, fill up the database with shipping-stuff to all kind of places AND do some final testing. The local work on it "seems" to be completed :) *dance*
great news
so can clients of murderbox customize "personlise" their box the way they like.Diffrent looks,diffrent hardware?describe what they want?kind of radiators,face plates,reservoir,...etc?
you should think about the official launching of the site, with i7 and x58 around the corner many ppl may want option for mods with no hardware
i think the tj07 side panels should be the first thing to do... maybe make a waterfall res inside the side panel :)
the front faceplate is too much for some of us that like our front bays.. the back plate is pointless because no one stares at the back of their pc :)
Those little things like back plates, are the ones that make murderbox unique.Quote:
Originally Posted by unkn0wnhacka
Charles took care of every little detail inside and outside the case; even the hired wires are organized. Its like perfection, there is no way to explaint it. :up:
Charles i still think, that you and Ediejo are the most organized and perfectionist case modders on the planet :yepp: .
keep rocking :)
yeah i know it looks nice but who really cares about the back end? I would rather have a side panel mod first and then maybe some back plates after theres a need for more mods.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyxxx
IMO the front and the side should be first priority :)
Hey, that's an awesome answer and I totally respect that. It sounds a lot more complicated (of course I'll be kicking myself if it isn't) than the tools I have in the cellar. No welding experience at all so I make do with drilling, glue and tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
Thanks again for the answer and your attention to the small guys is appreciated!
Hi Charles and Nils did you guy's find any replacement for the liquid/gel that you used to remove the Silverstone logo writing from the front of the case.If I remember correctly the last stuff could kill you so was just wondering did you find anything safer to use instead.:)
I would like to remove the writing etc to keep the front end clean and sharp looking, but no big deal if you have not found anything.I dont want to try any liquids that are going top mess up the finish of the case so thought I would ask you guy's first.
I do, for the first thing I see when I enter my room is... the back of my computer ;) And I am sure that, as it has already been stated, some who don't even see the back of their comp want it to match the rest of the case ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by unkn0wnhacka
After all, MurderMod is not about 'only mod what you can see'!
i assume the site will be up tommarow?
Murderbox and murderMod are two different things my Man. Murderbox is us building the whole enchilada while murderMod is us providing the case mod or case mod parts and you building your rig. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by evian_26
We'll get to side panels... once we can reliably get blank side panels from Silverstone. :) The other problem is that not all side panels fit all TJ07s properly... something about the "U" design...Quote:
Originally Posted by unkn0wnhacka
Thank you Brother, I'm honored. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyxxx
It's my pleasure. Although I'm also a small guy... I'm just trying to make a living doing what I love. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
Oily, I'm afraid we haven't yet. I'm reluctantly still using the toxic green stuff given to me. I bought a proper respirator mask and am using lots of ventilation when using it. If you're going to test products, use the underside.Quote:
Originally Posted by oily_17
There’s nothing I’d like more than to say “we’re live” but alas, I’m afraid we’re still sorting out details. The primary reason for delays is August holidays. In some cases, whole shops close while in others, a key person is off. In a lot of what we do, we rely on key people, I’ll give you an example; I only use one guy to inline (brush) finish the faceplates. I’ve come to this through experience and I’ll explain why. To those that don’t know, inline finishing is a process where you run a piece of aluminum through a machine that has a huge belt of sandpaper (along with other stuff) that produces that "brushed" look. This belt can last a few days before needing to be replaced and frequently will get used on different jobs. The problem is that if steel is run through the machine then little bits of steel get embedded into the belt (just like on your home sander). If you then run aluminum through, you’ve got a problem and like all really good problems, this one won’t be evident till the end of the production process. In this case, after you anodize. Any steel or ferrous particles embedded in the surface of aluminum will not anodize. What you end up with are tiny dust sized silver specks or streaks. Once you’ve got them, often times even running the parts through the inline finisher again won’t remove them. Ultimately, if you’ve got ferrous contamination, the parts are hooped.Quote:
Originally Posted by just a noob
The solution seams simple; don’t run aluminum you plan to anodize black through an inline finisher with a used belt. Apparently however, it’s not so simple. In fact, I can tell you for the most part that despite indicating not to do so, most Operators will do it anyway. Why, because they’re too lazy to change the belt. This is where my sole friend in the world of inline finishing comes in – he always uses a new belt and thus joy and happiness prevail - black, spotless, anodized faceplates are produced. This is why when he goes on holiday, no faceplates get made; despite being told that they have other guys that can run the job. “That’s ok” I say; “I’ll wait for Kevin”.
There are countless nearly identical scenarios.
Essentially, the delays we’re facing are a result of the volume of things needing to be done and the fact that it's summer. Not to mention setting up the whole eCommerce website, sorting the packaging and global shipping details. Once we’re up and running, we’ll be meticulously tracking inventory and ordering parts well enough in advance to hopefully keep supply in stock, or at the very least, with very short turnaround. Truth is this venture is a lot more work than we anticipated. That always seams to be the way though, iddnnit. It’s probably for the best that we always underestimate these things. If we knew in advance just how hard things are to do that may tip the scale to not bothering. We just want things to be right. I hate that it’s taking longer than anticipated but we’re working as hard as we can to launch and hopefully, it will all be worth it.
An observation - When I came up with the name “murderbox” I was pretty much intending to build machines for my local market. I knew it was an edgy name that some may consider negative or even offensive. Anyone that knows me knows I’m a reasonably passive guy who just likes to do his thang. I figured that I’d meet all my customers in person so they would hopefully see that the name “murderbox” was not intended negatively or as a correlation to some hyper-aggressive, alpha-male type dude. This to say that despite the fact that I really like the name, it does sometimes cause problems. It seams that some people just don’t get the "tongue in cheek" aspect of it. An example of this may be the German Customs Officers holding the 25KG package of murderMod parts intended for Europe, I sent to Nils over 2 weeks ago. If any of you have any “pull” with these dudes, please on behalf of me, tell them to “unclench” and let the package through!
Cheers All. :)
p.s. I know this is an assload of text to read and what’s worse, no pics. I thought about posting pics of something… anything that I thought would be entertaining and perhaps offset this gargantuan, assload lump of text. I was not able to come up with anything worthy so I created this black box. I want you to look at this box (not yet) and imagine the hottest, sexiest bikini clad girl you can… If you’re a girl then imagine it’s you in the bikini and all us dudes are worshiping you. :D
Ok, now.
http://www.murderbox.com/uploads/bikinibabe.jpg
That’s the stuff. :yepp: :hrhr: :banana::banana::banana:
Yes, I need a day off. ;)
WOW, i love the pic :up:.. yes you need a day off, definitely
As a future customer, I am VERY impressed with the amount of work you guys have put into this. This is PASSION! :clap:
Take a week off, you both certainly deserve it!
Daniel.
P.S. Nice bikini chick! :eek:
holy crap that picture of that women is so freaking hot! i can't believe you can post that kind of smut here :o on a different note, thanks for explaining the delays and whatnot
Sounds good Charles. Do you plan to have any package deals with MurderMod or anything special like that? If you need me to beta test anything just let me know, I'd be happy to help.
Charles,
Any chance you guys are going to do a dual CD/DVD drive front plate?
TIA
+1..
Where'd the bikini girl go?
brilliant brilliant work - ive always wanted the time and money to do something like this, but alas, twas never to be!
Thanks for the comments Guys. :)
I don't know about package deals, it's certainly something to consider. The plan is to launch with murderMod TJ07 parts and add new products as we go. The next murderMod offerings will likely be for Lian Li cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
As for beta testing, we've got that covered for the time being but you're at the top of the list. :)
Not at this time. The murderMod TJ07 faceplate is specifically designed for one optical drive. The button/logo design wouldn't function with two drives without drastic alteration and that would seriously alter the aesthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaldor
A possible future TJ07 offering may be based on the pure|murderbox "toaster" concept, soon to be executed. This would incorporate two vertical slot load drives with substantial case modification. We'll have to see how complicated that turns out to be.
Mine is still there... only now she's got 3 friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by metachronos
Thank you for your generous words. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by drbhatti
Charles, do you get your powdercoating and milling done in house or do you use local shoppies?
Hey Mankz :) Great project you are running:
Powder = local shoppies.
Cutting = 98% local shoppies too.
His inhouse isn't big enough because of his fish-tanks - is it Charles? :D
Excellent choice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
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Originally Posted by dualbrain
I have local shoppies :yepp:
Phew! I just found this thread today, and I burned through the past several hours reading it all. Granted, it's nothing compared to the amount of time put into it, of course. :)
I must say, as many others have, that you've created something truly magnificent. I've been into water cooling since the days of aquarium pumps and heater cores gutted from old cars and have recently found my way back to the 'scene' as I contemplate my future build - and I'm incredibly astounded at what you (and the rest of the community) have managed to produce and how far you've moved water cooling forward in a few short years.
That being said, I have a few ideas I'd like to offer.
Back in 'my day' (I'm only in my early twenties, but I've been water cooling since I could mow a lawn and stash money away) we had to make use of ugly off-white steel cases and we hacked away at them with blunt instruments. One of the key advancements that has really helped the scene churn out incredible designs is modern manufacturing equipment. Not everyone can have the newest, most advanced power tools, or water-etching, CnC mills. Nor is a skilled, quality machinist to be found locally. Yes, you can order from a machine shop on the other side of the country, but as you've stated before, you never really know the quality put into a part until after you've got it back in your hands.
It is for this reason that I suggest you offer "M3" (or M-cubed) parts in addition to whatever fancy treats you have in store at your store. M3 standing for "minimal murderMod." What I imagine goes hand-in-hand with what another user has already asked you about (but I couldn't ask sooner because I wanted to read the entire thread first!) and that is getting our parts powder-coated by the quality craftsmen you've discovered and developed a relationship with. However, my idea picks up where this leaves off and suggests that you offer faceplates, backplates, topplates, etc. without any designs cut into them - or have users send you files with designs they would like to have etched (again, using the quality machinists you've taken the time and energy to search out). The idea being to offer the ability for those of us who do not have access to high-tech machines to be able to create the designs we've imagined. I think this would help your boost your business because, while MurderBox is a great machine, everyone has their own tweaks they'd like. Moreover, half the fun of modding and making your own machine is building it! Right? :)
You may have had this very idea in mind for your store, or you may not - but you're welcome to it.
I for one would have no problem paying a reasonable price to ship my parts to you to have them anodized or machined and think it would be well worth it. :)
Oh, I almost forgot! I've been looking at the pictures you've posted and have noticed that the faceplate does not quite match the rest of the frame. Perhaps the dye used in anodizing is a bit off, perhaps it isn't as deep of a black, or maybe it's the brushstrokes in the aluminum you use. Whatever the reason, I think it would be a great idea to solidify and unify the look by replacing the old 3.5" flip-down door with a piece of the aluminum used for the faceplate. Or at least offer it to those that want it - like me!
Either way, good luck with your business - I wish you much success!
PS - Again, you've done an excellent job and I look forward to seeing your pure|murderBox.
PPS - I would hope that the M3 TJ07s you offer on murderMod will have the silverstone logo and other white paint removed. This paint in the sole reason why I refused to use a TJ07 for my future build as it really detracts from the look of the case. However, seeing your builds with it removed entirely changes the look and feel of the front panel into something I very much want to use.
PPPS - Have you ever experimented or tossed around the idea of putting dual-loops into murderBox? I'm of the opinion that it's better to separate the CPU from the GPU's heat (especially with 2 GPUs) in order to keep the CPU as cool as possible. What do you think?
My understanding of this and Charles you can correct me if I am wrong is that with the backplate there will be the solid version (like FC's version) and the version he showed pics of a few pages back with a cut similar to the top grill...however the recurring theme is that each piece will have the MurderMod name on it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Antioch
To me it would not make sense to offer a plain "piece" as the whole thing about buying a MurderMod part is having that branding on it otherwise it simply cannot be classified as being a MurderMod build. And that is what I like about it, I want to buy "MurderMod" parts and not some cheap knock off. You can see from the build that Charles is all about things like clean lines, simplicity and of course perfection:up: It is about buying something that is of the utmost quality and it allows you to build your own MurderMod.
I for one am really looking forward to getting my hands on some MurderMod pieces for my TJ07 as from the one or two brief emails I have received I can tell that Charles would not offer anything that is inferior in anyway. His way of doing things is get it right or dont bother.
I am going to be doing a dual loop with mine once the parts are available and you can be sure I will post pics on here when it happens:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Antioch
Yes, that's my point - he would offer superior parts with assured quality ;) I'm just saying people might like to cut their own patterns onto the plates. For example, maybe put a blow hole on the back plate or create a different type of grill-style opening on the front to allow more air to enter for an air-only cooling system which the current slits might interfere with aesthetically or otherwise. That's all :)
I am not sure that would work as getting businesses to do one off jobs that will no doubt get more and more intricate would be a nightmare:shakes:....it is hard enough to get them to do a small quantity of the same design let alone different designs each time. I do not see that as being a viable option as the costs for a single part would go through the roof let alone the man hours to coordinate it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antioch
...but do not quote me on that, I am simply using my personal experience when dealing with business for one off jobs.
Spot on, I'm glad that someone else noticed it, I thought it was just me ;) If that one thing could be changed it would just set the entire mod off, at least in my honest opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antioch
Apart from that, I love this 'mod' in its entirety, everything from the paint to the sleeving is just perfect. If only the TJ07 had a bit more room (read PA120.3 in the top) :up:
Dangals - That's true. I don't know what sort of arrangements Charles has with his machinists, and really it's no more work that loading a pattern into a CNC -- that's the beauty of automation :) But you're right, only Charles really knows. He certainly has a lot on his plate at the moment, but in the future once things sttle into a rhythm I'm sure he'll have time for something. Anyways, it was a possible business idea that I wanted to pass on.
.Logic - Yea it looked just a little bit off. But then again, matching colors is always the trouble, isn't it? You could fit a PA120.2 in the top though. Just put it in the front part of the case where the drive bay is and it shouldn't interfere with the motherboard at all. :)
I’ll tell you what I think; you’ve given me a lot to think about and I’ll do my best to respond. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Antioch
I’d like to start by thanking you for your thoughtful and insightful contribution and most of all, your words of support. I know what we’re doing doesn’t appeal to everyone and that’s cool. At the end of the day this kind of stuff is totally subjective. That being said, I’ve been blown away by the enthusiasm and support for what we’re doing and quite frankly, there are days it’s made all the difference. Days when this has gone wrong or that didn’t work out the way I wanted. I won’t waver in my attention to detail but the support I get here both publicly and privately feels like having an army behind me. Having that feeling motivates me on those challenging days and really helps push me forward…
…and forward is where we’re going. Nils and I have big plans for murderbox and murderMod. We’re also fortunate in that being part of this Community gives us a direct connection to what fellow modders are interested in. Some of these things will fall into our area of ability and some won’t. Speaking for myself, I won’t attempt something I’m not confident I can successfully accomplish. With that in mind, I can say that at this time, we won’t be providing services other than to offer our own case mod designs.
Dangals is pretty much spot on with his observations but I’ll add my commentary none the less. As an example, one of the things I looked into a few months ago was offering custom lettering on the murderMod faceplate. After considerable research, it simply turned out to be cost prohibitive. Anything done in a one-off capacity comes at a premium, even if it’s just a small deviation or alteration to the baseline. In addition to cost, there’s always the unknown factor. One thing I’ve learned in the last year is that things never go as planned. It’s the prototyping and subsequent revision process that ultimately provides success. Additionally, most fabrication shops just aren’t structured for low volume except in the case of prototyping, and that comes at a very high price. It’s my feeling that one-off custom parts are just too expensive to make and therefore not commercially viable. It’s one thing to mod a computer for yourself but another thing entirely to offer parts or completely modded systems as a retail product. Expectations are obviously much higher when you lay down hard earned money for something. You may cut a corner here or there for your own build but will only accept perfect fit and finish from something you buy. At the end of the day, I just don’t see a viable business model that involves offering Customer designed modded parts as a service, at least not at this time.
Another problem is that I would drive my fab shops, anodizers and powder coaters crazy and they would surely kick me to the curb. I won’t tell you how many shops I’ve gone through in the last year to find these guys and I don’t want to do anything to risk losing them. In fact, I actually treat them like my customers because of how important they are to me. Finding people and companies with similar standards for quality was a monumental task and came only after massive effort, grief, blood loss, etc.
I’m going to try to wrap this up because I do have a tendency to ramble. I will re-read your post after a night’s sleep to see if I’ve missed anything and comment further if need be. As for the perceived faceplate “mismatch”; its actually designed to match the side panels and provide textural contrast to the “U” frame. I could have easily matched the faceplate to the frame but I felt the contrast was needed, especially on an all black case like the TJ07. As for the little wee door; I have to admit it’s not my favorite part of the case – I did a faceplate prototype that included that area but it actually looked worse so I scrapped it. The pure|murderbox build will solve for the door – at least on one case. ;) The murderMod TJ07’s will have the Silverstone logos removed; thanks to a full respirator mask.
Cheers. :)
I understand where you're coming from and I'm actually happy to hear it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist myself and I usually don't stop until I get something just right - far past the point of "it's good enough" that onlookers reach. That being said, I can appreciate the work you put into your design and whatever you have got going on behind the curtain right now and I'm glad that our words of support help push you through the tough times.Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
I suppose it's better that we give you time to finish murderMod before we onslaught you with more ideas, huh? :)
Oh really? What did you change to have it "mismatch" the front of the case, if you don't mind me asking. Or, to put it another way, how would you change it from the way it is to make it match? I'm just curious as while I know the science of anodization, I've never done a job myself - it's not really worth the price of chemicals to do it once.Quote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
Well that's certainly great news. But be careful! We wouldn't want anything happening in.. a certain area.. that would make your wife come down on us here at XS ;) HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by charles_h
Cheers Antioch. :)
Essentially, the frame is a rather unique type of anodizing that can best be described as textured - not brushed; while the side panels are brushed. This textured finish reflects light totally differently than brushed anodizing. IMHO, the contrast between the textured frame and the brushed faceplate works really nicely together - something photos don't quite do justice to. It's something that you just have to see in person. :)
I'll be careful with the green toxic goo. I'm just glad evil98 asked me to look into it - he may have saved my fool life!
.Logic, thank you for your comments. :)
Charles - You're probably absolutely right. After all, after Fried Chicken received his murderBox that the pictures don't do it justice. :)
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Originally Posted by Antioch
Yes, it is true, matching colours is an absolute nightmare. What we need is a real life colour dropper :p:
you guys are going to make me buy a tj07 damnit! ;) seriously though, keep the great work up, you're doing a helluva job. can't wait for the site to pop up :) cheers
Great work charles and nils :up: Cant wait for the shop to be up to get some MurderMod goodies for my TJ07 :D
i have a question about the faceplate. will there be a version that says "MurderBox" instead of MurderMod"?
Thanks Guys
I can answer that question:Quote:
Originally Posted by The[R]eaper
There is a distinct difference between the two. A Murderbox is a fully modded complete computer system built by Charles himself. It is only offered locally and Charles offers complete support and at-home delivery. That is what this thread is, Friedchicken's Murderbox. A murderMod, however, is just the case and it's components, and they will be available worldwide once the official site is up and running. So, to answer your question, it's a distinguished brand name, if you will, between the two.
Did I miss anything, Charles?
Charles you should have a name for your company, like murderTeam or something like that :D
hay, just wondering will cable sleveing stuff, lights, fans, tubing ect... be available to buy on murdermod ??, and any ideas when the site is being launched, i cant wait, and love the work m8, keep it up :D
I've suggested Murder, Inc.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyxxx
Imagine that in a phone book. People calling to get someone knocked off. Charles could eventually end up in an undercover news investigation where they're trying to figure out what he does behind closed doors. I can see it now:
"Here we are standing in front of this supposed 'custom computer shop', where now-infamous alleged assasin Charles H. is inside. We're going to go inside and act like we want a computer built. And once we've gained his trust, we're going to tell him we need someone 'taken care of'...."
I would TiVo that and show the grandkids one day.
I can answer some questions:
Murderbox:
hiiyah777 is right PLUS there will also be the option for Murderbox'es in Munich and maaaaaaybe the cities close by. As we want to be in a real-world (eye to eye) contact with our Murderbox-clients and don't want to just ship such a "bloody-handed" machine out, that's why we limit these special builts to out "neighbourhood" ... at least for now. :)
Murdermod-Accessoires (I hope I spelled it right ... Murdermod Krimskrams in German):
This will most propably be a part of what's available. Most propably there will be different "sets" of items that consist of materials we fell in love with ... or that simply make sense :)
Murdermod-Website:
Just a handful of things to do. Charles or me will update you when the next milestone is reached.
Btw. thanks for all your support that we get via email and of course here in Charles' thread
cant wait til its up and running. i will most definitely be ordering from you guys.
with my new job in the works and more money on the way...i see myself getting a TJ07 in the future :)
And these will include some of the parts you told me about? The parts I need urgently?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dualbrain
hi charles,
just want to say what a great job this mod is. i´m impressed of the details. i thought nils a crazy guy till i saw this. you two will be a great team and rule the (pc)world someday :)
hope the shop will be finished soon. saw some pics from steffen´s worklog and his murdermod so i hardly can wait to see all the parts.
go on like this... :up:
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