I got PC6400 only but it's awesome overclock also
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I got PC6400 only but it's awesome overclock also
@Stonedrop
What VDimm??
Im very upset. I bought 2x1 gig of pc8500 Balls about a month ago. I bought another 2x1gig of the "same" ram couple days ago however they are new sticks possibly revisions with the same part number. So needless to say my system runs much slower as these newer chips descrease my performance. Memtest says my bandwidth at Quad 3.2 ghz and 4 gigs 8500 at 1066mhz is 3478mb/s. When i use my older sticks i get 5000mb/s. The difference is only visible on the sticks themselves not on the boxes or the part number. The differences are the older ones have 16 chips on board 8 on each side of the stick. The new ones have 8 chips on one side only. They are still 1 gig sticks but the performance lags behind about 30-40%. I contacted NCIX where i bought them from and Crucial. Beware buying from NCIX with there "special" $99 special. On the other hand Crucial should not be scamming people like this . PUT THE DAMN CHANGES ON THE BOX SO WE CAN SEE THEM. My older sticks say 16fd5 and my newer ones say 8fe5. CPU-z says my newer ones are JEDEC #2 and #3 . The oolder ones are JEDEC #1 and #2
As long as the DIMMs run at their warranted speeds Crucial doesnt have to say anything at all.
Most likely your memory controller does see a physical difference and set dual channel off. Also I'd check the settings to be 100% sure because neither of those results sounds what PC8500 should be like.
I get 10GB/s overall and in Read and Copy tests almost 11GB/s when running 4x 1GB @ DDR1004 4-4-4-12-2T.
When i do Lavalys benchmark running at 3ghz quad core and 4x1 gig @ 1069 5-5-5-15 2T my results are "7224mb/s read" and "6086mb/s write" and "5683mb/s copy" and 71.8 ns latency. I have the P35 DS3R
Ugh, that's really not right man at those speeds and if it's supposed to be dual channel. Though they run at their rated speeds so no blame on Crucial there. I do remember to have read Gigabyte P35 doesnt like D9. Far from sure, or maybe it was a certain board. Really dont know.
Im also running vista ultimate 64 bit. it hasnt increased performance at all. But the new sticks are much slower. Crucial should be forced to put information on the box if its a revision like that. Otherwise they are causing issues with people trying to get exact sticks. I mean they put the part number exactly the same why do they hide the revision numbers?? especially since they are slower sticks.
man Crusial is making memories as long as they work as the have to they don't have to do anything you should search yourself, and beside this you should check your OS post one ss from memtes86+ ithe bandwidth you are talking in not wright
First of all you cant search that out since those numbers are only on the sticks themselves not on the box. I highly doubt vendors are going to open their sealed boxes before they sell them just to find that out for you. The product numbers are exactly the same. This is misleading and not right. Anyways, memtest posts my bandwidth at 5006mb/s with 3.2ghz quad and 1068mhz 5-5-5-15 2t with my 2 older sticks. And the exact same setup but with the newer sticks i get 3470mb/s. I dont get any errors though. With all four of my sticks in memtest reads 3470mb/s because it reads the slowest sticks. Noone can tell me that it is right for Crucial to revise sticks without stating that information somewhere on the box.
do you have an other board ? test them on an other board and see if you take the same bandwidth no one have bandwidth problems except than you :(
in the end rma them and get a new pair.. dunno what els to say :(
I just got off the phone with NCIX.com where I bought them from and they told me that they can take them back and pay for shipping but i would have to pay a 15% restocking fee. They said they dont guarantee revisions. I told them its not right that your advertising this and im receiving something different. 16fd3 vs 8fe5 are different chips. Canada sucks for service.
EDIT: AM i the only one with this low bandwidth?? And what is 4x1 gigs of pc8500 ballistix bandwidth supposed to be ???
I still think you're the one phailing.
Especially since Crucial, nor any other brand, isn't saying all sticks are the same. There's a reason there are dual channel kits and quad kits. Also there's a reason why people suggest all over the place, in case you want to use 4 DIMM's, to buy them all at the same store + same time.
One could buy one stick a month at complete different stores and then whine about incompatibility. And Canada doesnt suck for service as they are willing to take them back. I know what I would have done if I was working there:shakes:.
Its called false advertising. Its not a little kiddie mess up. If you advertise a part number your better be prepared to ship that part number. I can understand if i didnt read it properly or didnt know about it etc etc. But i bought on the premise that I would receive what they advertised. And then I have to pay to fix it?
Well, you obviously know what part number belongs to which products at Crucial then?
I dont know though, but most likely they call PCxxxx x-x-x-x x.xV partnumber 1 and PCyyyy y-y-y-y y.yV partnumber 2 etc. Every Voltage change, speed or timing will have a different part number. Revisions however... no, it will have a different serie number but nothing else.
CPU's for example, they come with different batches. If you buy one in January, really like the speed and performance and buy another one 6 months later you're not guaranteed it will OC the same.
But well, at least you're lucky with those 'sucking' Canadians and you can get it returned. Instead of whining I'd take a lesson from this, for the last time, Crucial wasnt wrong here. They simply sell a Dual Channel kit at certain specifications. They don't guarantee it will have the same IC's, PCB or will run mixed with previous named sticks with same specifications.
Did you not receive Crucial Ballistix PC8500 1066 DDR2?
What am I missing?
This is like buying some RAM, then complaining that the chips aren't D9's even though 10 guys before you got D9's. The same part number doesn't guarantee that everything under the heatspreaders will be the same.
NOT EVERY PART WILL OC EXACTLY THE SAME. PERFORMANCE/BANDWIDTH WITH 4X1GB WILL BE LOWER THAN 2X1GB OR 2X2GB. THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN.
And to clarify a bit more, with 4 gb, your programs will still take advantage of 4gb, but you'll get better clocks with 2x2GB vs. 4x1GB
Someone call the whaambulance. Sheesh.
I guess you guys just dont get it.
Paid for BL12864AA1065.16fd3
Received BL12864AA1065.8fe5
Conclusion they arent what I ordered.
Can you show me some kind of reference, preferably something reasonably official, that shows these are 2 distinct parts? Until then, I'm inclined to believe that you ordered Ballistix PC8500 and got exactly that. A quick googling of those P/N's showed nothing.
Better yet, show me the 2 product pages from ncix.
Manus change revisions all the time, sometime for better sometimes for worse. They are allowed to, as long as the part runs within specs. Heck, my set(just got 'em) may have elpida chips on them. I'll be satisfied if they run 1066 MHz. Disappointed? probably. Satisfied? Yes. Whining? Definitely Not.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...minorcatid=135
Product page of PC2-8500 with the Crucials a little down in the list. It nowhere shows the last parts of '.16fd3' or '.8fe5'. Even worse, if you really bought the parts you wrote down they're not even guaranteed to run in Dual Channel. And yes, the chance is very very small it wouldnt but well, guess you got unlucky but after all that's why the Dual Channel kits are invented.
One of my 8500 1G sticks took a dump, unstable no matter what I do, it never ran above 2.2v and was usually underclocked/volted most of its life, however the other stick is chugging strong
Amazing, I emailed them and told them of my complaints and they took down the picture of the box that showed the revision number on them. Luckily for them i saved the picture before they got a chance to screw me.
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2...fsdfex5.th.jpg
They also havent replied to my concerns yet. Signs of great business service.
Arrive in my house last weeks CRUSIAL BALISTIC TRACER PC 8500.....amazing memory....:up: :up:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7244/img1726if2.jpg
2.15 Volt 500 4-4-4-12 2T
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4...150voltkq4.jpg
2.3 volt 550 4-4-4-12 2T
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/467...223voltsu3.jpg
2.550 Volt 600 4-4-4-12 2T
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9499/600aj5.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=305010
And a 965 chipset to work with. ;)
These clocks and timings most probably wont be achievable with P35/X38
:(
Iv just lost 1 of mine tracer 6400 at 2.3v with a Corsair Dominator fan on it.
I was running Orthos at 1070 555-12.
Right now i got 1Gb tracer and 1Gb G.Skill HZ and i get 1040 444-12 with 2.25.
My tracers didnt make 1000 with 2.25.
I'll send both to rma but first things first and the carnival has just begun here in Brazil :) , and i have another Ballistix PC6400 non tracer.
My other PC6400 did 500 444-12 at 2.25 but wonnt make 533.
i just love my 8500s 4-4-4-12 @ 1080mhz with 2.13v:)
Alright guys, something's wrong with the LED blinking speed of the Tracer 8500 modules I bought a couple months back (2x 2GB kits - 4 modules). Whenever I set the modules to run at 800MHz (5-5-5-15 or 4-4-4-12) between 1.8 - 2.2v, the LED lights will behave normally and blink accordingly to memory load. However, if I run the modules at the 1066MHz rated speed (5-5-5-15 at 2.2v) or basically any speed above 900MHz or so, the LEDs on the modules will hardly blink at all during Windows bootup and will only blink occasionally during full memory load (and I mean one LED at a time slow as molasses). Are the modules intended to run this way? It doesn't seem right that they aren't blinking properly at the rated speed. I have tried them on two different motherboards and have tried tuning MCH, ICH, AND ICH10 voltages but nothing changes. I also just got my brand new RMA'd Abit IP35 Pro v1.1 the other day, so I can't really believe the motherboard is the problem. Please let me know what can be done. Thanks in advance.
Batch # CL11181.8G
Part # BL12864AL1065.16FD3
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...9/DSC02389.jpg
Abit IP35 Pro (version 1.1)
Celeron-L 430 @ 3.33GHz (temporary til Q9450)
eVGA 8800Ultra @ 660/2330
4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR2 8500 @ 925MHz 4-4-4-12 (2:3)
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad
Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty Professional
Vista Ultimate x64 / XP Professional x64
test it with memtest
if you care about lights buy another pair lol
I've just received a package of 2 BL12864AA1065.8FE5, is it really different from BL12864AA1065.16fd3? Has anyone overclocked a 8FE5 yet? mykemyk2006 has me worried that this isn't the same kit as all the great overclocking results.
Do you cool your ram if running at the "stock" volts for pc 8500, or know if that helps longetivity?
My corsair xms2 pc8500 RAM gives tons of errors on memtest now after just 6 months of use, and my rig is unstable. I actually ran them undervolted by bios to 2.15v, though speedfan read it as 2.2v. (errors on any settings/volts now)
I am RMAing those as backup pair, have crucial ballistix pc8500 due on monday/tuesday.
Wondering now if I should get some cooling, and if so what do you use? Do they sell the dominator fans separately or anything else?
it's good to have same air on them but on stock voltage i thing that is not necessary
AFAIK his problem was matching two kits with different revisions. I dont know though if OC-ability is different too but running two sets with different revisions can decrease things quite fast.
I just bought 4 of theese sticks for 1090 DKK / 146 Euro / 215 us$ at komplett :)
I just killed my 2G kit. 2.4v too much for the suckers I guess :rolleyes: Time to go back to Mushkin
2.4v is too much for MOST D9 pcb. All will eventually fail at 2.4v
no not all will fail but some dies of it. my D9DQT was at 2,45 for over a year and they are still alive
I need some help deciding on getting ether the 8500 or 6400. I don't care about benching and don't need the tight timings (though they would be nice). I just need some ran that will run with my E6300. I have it at 3.5ghz right now so that puts my FSB around 500 so DDR2-1066 range. I need them to not hold my cpu back.
I have heard the 6400 are just lower binned 8500. Will the 6400's clock high enough for me or should I go with the 8500's to be safe.
Need an answer soon please, I need to get ride of my patriots :shakes:
Thanks in advance
Actually, I've heard the opposite (after I purchased the 8500) that the 6400 typically are hitting higher speeds than the 8500 and the 6400 are higher binned. I would keep the Patriot, order the 6400 from Newegg and if you don't like what they do, RMA them within 30 days for a pair of the 8500.
Try Ballistix 8500 again @1200 5-4-4-6 Pass dual Memtest
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...11/5-4-4-1.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=308285
Hi all , my Crucial Ballistix 8500 ram currently set v2.20 in bios and the Maximus overvolt to v2.27 reading in everest. Currently speed at 1092 (5-5-5-15)
The problem is my pc don't boot , get hang at DET DRAM if set lower than v2.20. I don't really know if it's the ram problem or what . And I have read alot about this kit died if going over v2.20. Anyone have any suggestions
I got 4x1gb Ballistix tracers PC8500 yesterday but i cant even run them @ stock 1066 5-5-5-15 2.2v.
I'm running them on a GigaByte DQ6 X38 motherboard. My old Team PC6400 CL3 did 1200 MHz @ 2.2 with two fingers in there nose.
Are Tracerts bad for overclocking ? or do i have a compatibility problem with the crucial PCB ? I also tested the modules in pairs 2 by 2 same problems. One pair wont boot stock speeds second pair could boot 1200 but with errors in memtest straight away.
uhmm strange that my old memory could run 1200 but non of the Ballistix can. I have a newer bios that made it possible to run 1066 but not more than that :(
strange or my motherboard does not like these sticks or i got 4x bad crucial sticks :? very strange.
Cant even run them 2x1gb 5-5-5-15 1066 MHz with 2.35 and 2.2 is stock :(
It seems :( i'm gonna send them back but because all 4 stick preformed bad i dont know if i really want new sticks. I do need 4 GB. Maybe that shop only has sticks from the same batch.
I can also try normal non tracerts. But normally the tracerts should perform just as wel as the normal sticks ?
Or maybe i should be looking for one more set of TEAM Xtreem 800 MHz CL3
Uhmm these are also without clips.
But i also found out the GA-X38 wont like 4x1 GB. So i have bad sticks and a motherboard that will not support it :( so back to my old team memory. Not gonna buy a new motherboard because i need 4 GB now. Hopefully GA will fix the 4gb issue. Then i will find a old set of good D9's to match my team memory.
These ballistix are going back. I liked the looks tho :) Looks cool all those lights :D
they are what you ordered - BL12864AA1065 - (16fd3 - 8fe5 are different batch numbers that are usually tested and then matched as pairs - quite often you get a matched pair but one set will be a different batch number from the other set).
CONCLUSION -----YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
I read some forum posts and there are a lot of people that have problems with GA and 4x1 memory setups. GA ignores the users a bit telling them there is noting wrong with the board and that the problems ly with the memory but there are just to many people having this problem most of them are using crucial memory.
So its back to my old Team 2x1. The Ballistix are going back where they came from.
gigabyte dont give a crap after you bought the board
odds are f3"the shipped bios"is still the best for overclocking :rofl:
i got so fed up i shelfed my p35c-ds3r
and now i boycot them for life
if you keeping your board n you need 4 gigs go with 2x2
i dont think they can fix it with bios i suspect they released the board way too early and the design is flawed
my dfi was pushin 4x1@1200 like it was nothing and it can do it with 2.13v
Do you all think I might be having the same problem then?
My motherboard is a Giga P35-S3L, and my 2x1gb ballistix tracer 8500 will run at 1066mh 5-5-5-15 but will NOT let me tighten the timings no matter what volts I use. I can however get (just) upto 1100mhz @ 5-5-5-15 stable but no further.
Is it the board thats the problem?
I had no problem at all running 4X1Gb OCZ 6400 Plat Rev 2 on my P35-DS3R board at DDR2-890 4-4-4-15.
The code on my anti static bags is:
BL12864AL1065.8FE5
if that helps. If not, I'll have a look inside my case later on!
I got the with Asus they also dont care about supporting there motherboards. They know that people will still buy then because it has a sticker Asus on it.
I bet if you take to most crappy motherboard there is a put a sticker on it that says asus everyone will still buy it.
I guess its back to DFi and Abit Boards again :mad:
yes alot of the general public think asus is the best n they pay the xtra money for it
i sold my 2 p4c-800-e-deluxes on ebay they both sold for 300us$ LOL
the best boards i ever had were the 865 n 875 chipsets by asus
but after touching a dfi board i doubt i will buy another brand
could be single sided non-micron D9
Looks like the ending batch of 8FE4 are ones which are single sided Crucial PC2-5300 CAS3 modules as well ...!
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...73&postcount=6
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...7&postcount=11
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3...agesuv8.th.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1...agessn6.th.jpg
DFI is the only standout and a very expensive solution. Most other great boards (such as Quantum Force) are such low volume and hard to find.
who comes next? Unfortunately Asus.
If you think Abit is any good, it took almost 2 months to get a replacement NF7-S back and bios development is just as bad as gigabyte.
Im pretty sure he just meant that he got the single sided version using the not so good D9GCT. Hence wasnt too happy he got a "inferior kit". The kit that I ordered just afther xmas was of the "16FD5" batch, which also happens to be double sided with D9GMH goodness:P
The new kits can't use D9GCT, as it's part of the D9Gxx family, which are 512MBit chips. You would still need 16 of them for a full 1GB, which means you could only build double-sided modules. There is a discussion about which chips they use in the General Memory section and in the News section too.
Gotcha, my bad...
Your wrong here... kinda... I think.
As we now know, the 8fe5 are single sided. The 16fd3 are a double sided module as I own a set of each. Unless it is just chance, but I doubt it.
I'm sendign my 8fe5 back as at least one of them is dead, and ordered another 2gb kit. We'll see which ones they (newegg) send me now.
Hey guys just wanna post my results with this great memories...:rolleyes:
I got a 8x8 very light weight fan atached over them with rubbers for daily use
Sorry if the pics are dark buy my canon is damaged :(
My ballistix PC8500
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2...4444gn1.th.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8996/img4443kv8.th.jpg
8x8 very light weight fan over them
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6530/img5066qg8.th.jpg
1066@1000 4-4-4-4
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9...422vri4.th.jpg
1066@1125 5-4-4-9
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2...922vtj7.th.jpg
1066@1200 5-5-4-9
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8...922vpg7.th.jpg
1066@1200 5-5-4-6
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1...622vyw9.th.jpg
Cheers !
Sergio
My Ballistix 8500~ :D
MB Maximus formula
DDR2 1333 32M pass 2.29v
http://cfs10.blog.daum.net/original/...e=8500New4.jpg
MB DFI LP P35
DDR2 1284 32M pass 2.17v
http://cfs6.blog.daum.net/original/3...e=481732M1.jpg
http://cfs6.blog.daum.net/original/3...e=481732M2.jpg
THAT'S GREAT !!!
CONGRATS !!
Cheers
Sergio
Has anyone seen the SPD value for these sticks?
According to SPD tool, mine should have a stock tWTR value of 3. But that's way too low.
What should the stock tWTR value really be?
You mean this ?
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3772/spdgk9.th.jpg
Cheers
Sergio
Yes but your RAM also has SPD values for other timings like tWTR, tREF, tWR, etc...
These numbers really come in handy when overclocking since motherboards DO NOT set them correctly which gave me the biggest headache when OCing.
You should check them out because knowing those numbers allows you to tell which timing is WAY to tight for your RAM and holding you back from a better OC.
Where to look then ?
With SPDtool you can read it directly off the RAM. Or you can also find the numbers through everest.
Thanks, i posted a photo of my crucial's serial number and codes, are yours the same ? or the new modules ? I tested the new ones and did almost the same as mine but could not pass 1200 5-5-4-6 at stock volts...
Cheers
Sergio
Got my PC8500 Tracers today, also sigle sided... Ending bach .8FE5. Will try them any way... PC6400 ballistix also sigle sided in SWE know :(
I got a pair of tracer today which is also single side!
it is the worst ballistix I got, won't post on tight timing even on on DDR 800
no mood to test anymore.............................!
Thanks, finally a picture of the ICs used. :up:
( I bought a pair of Ballistix 5300 yesterday, I hope they aren't single sided ( don't have them yet ) )
Agreed! My sticks...
DDR 800 @ CL 3 With 2,44V No boot
DDR1000 @ CL 4 With 2,44V No boot
DDR 1200 @ CL 5 With 2,44 No boot
DDR1000 5-5-4-15 @ 2,33 runs.
DDR 1066 5-5-5-15 @ 2,23 runs.
DDR 1066 5-5-4-15 @ 2,44V nope...
Already requested an refound. And bought some OCZ VX2 from an local froum for cheap to play with.
I'll have my new set tomorow, we'll see if it's double. The set in my machine right now is double sided, but if I can't find another pair, I'm selling the ones I have and going for something else. These sticks are way too expensive to suck sooooooooooo bad.