This is what I get. It didn't happen with xp.
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This is what I get. It didn't happen with xp.
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Sorry I've no Vista so I only give you this link. And one main issue is that smp cannot be installed under Program files (although installer wants to go there on default, how ironic)
But one thing seems to be 'wrong' in the screenshot. At the Account-line you do not have to input anything, just hit enter for that one.
Hey, my notebook is a Toshiba Core2Duo with Vista as well. Make sure you run the install.bat by right clicking it and selecting run as administrator.
wait, that's not it, I'm remembering somthing about having to run cmd.exe as admin and then going throught he console to your FAH directory and running the install.bat from there. 1 sec let me look around, I'll find the post that told me how to do it.
EDIT: here are the directions I used...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=16
EDIT_2: Hmmm, it seems these are pretty much the same instructions that sc00p linked. Let us know if you still have problems.
I did everything, and got the MPI working but when I go to set it up I get this.
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Never mind I got it.
Man vista sucks. I'm going to give it an honest shot, but so far it has some speed bumps.
I actually am liking vista from my short usage of it so far (about 2 weeks). What don't you like about it? I found a couple nuisances but they were correctable and the system runs fine. Well, did, until I sold the CPU and RAM so I'm running a single core and only 1GB so its a tad slow now lol.
You can't back out of things all the way.
Thats one.
Not sure I know what you mean by "can't back out of things all the way" :confused:
Another huh here lol..
And another vote for vista as the most non problematic win os with the smp client ( for me for the very least )!
Well my quad is down and I'm not in town to get it back up!
I bet my roommate shut off my computer. :down:
That stinks. How long are you out of town for? Does your roommate know enough to get it back up and running again?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] 2long4u
Knowing enough and trusting are two separate things. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Barnacle
Nice remainders to set up vnc for the next time something like this happens :)
Must suck if you can't trust your room mate with anything :up:
I just don't trust him with my computer.
His computer had 17 viruses on it.
I have my sights on ung when I get back!
Sadly he seems to have disappeared again :( :shrug: so it might not be too hard to catch him :/Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] 2long4u
About going back. When I click on pictures or music or something to that order. I want to be able to back up all the way to the hard drive, no matter where I went in at. :shrug:
Ok....i packed my bags and under the cover of night made my way to the bus stop and came over to XS :p: I just couldn't stay there any longer when my heart was over here.......ok this is turning into a soap opera :rofl: The family X2 will remain with my old team, but my main rig and when my PS3 folds will be joining team 36362. :up: That martian guy was right, it doesn't really matter only if you want a bigger e-peen.
:welcome: to this neck of the woods then :D
you can make your stats sig image visible now :p:
Welcome aboard! :D
I snuck over here for a little while also... :sofa:
Hey RR, been keeping busy with WCG lately? Talk about a huge spike today, 24K :eek: Great startoff! What kind of army you running?
Here's a thought.. run both projects, just an idea :)
No I haven't in about a week, I went back over to my old folding team for a little bit, then came back over here. I need to swap a couple quads back to WCG, I may do that tomorrow. I am running 1-QX9650, 5-Q6600s, 1-E6850, 2-E6600s, 1-E6400, 1-E6300, 1-1950xt, and a 3800x2...Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
that's quite the army you've got! :shocked:
Some of the new units use SSE2 extensively which is really choking the production of my PIII-s rigs... how can I get regular SSE workunits instead?
Maybe try removing the -advmethods flag (from both the command line if it is there and the config), see if that does anything.
Alright, I will try... is there anyway to show me how to do this? Im using the text console btw...Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
shut down the client, put the command line in the run command box with -configonly at the end, keep all your other settings just tell it no for -advmethods.
Are you running it as a service? Check the command line in the service box and see if -advmethods is listed. If it is, go to regedit, search for it, and edit the key you find and remove it before starting the service back up. See what happens with the next work unit it downloads.
Alright. I dont have it running as a service so it should be fine, will I likely see a decrease in the total amount of points I would receive for a WU?Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Maybe, totally depends on the WUs they send you. My average PPD varies by a few hundred just because of the vast WU differences.
Welcome to the team Kingcarcas :welcome:
Hopefully you like us so much you'd stay here this time :D
Hehe, the first forum i visited died down and i only crunched 1 WU for them, but yes they did start to get on my nerves and is part of the reason i left :p: shhhhhh............
Hey Raptor & Kingcarcas :D
I have lost a soldier! Kinda anyway.... :(
I gave my little sister my 3800x2 rig for her wedding present and I know she can't keep it on 24/7 so I think I'll just install the reg client on it before I send it off.;)
Good bye trusty friend.:oscar:
Yeah pump it with 2 regular clients, that should be fine. Still crunching, that's what matters.
That's a sweet case, regular clients FTW so you don't have to worry about SMP screwing up or missing deadlines. Mine pumps out about 5-600ppd (2.6ghz) :up: (I've now switched both of the rigs we have to team XS) :cool:
My laptop finished a wu after about 4 days. It wasn't on 24/7. When it finished something happened and I don't know if it didn't send it or it just locked up. :shrug:
Anyone look at the stats for today? What's up with that?
Are you talking about this page?
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/
They had raised some funds to upgrade their server so maybe they're transfering everything over?
You can still use this site to check stuff out in the mean time...
http://kakaostats.com/
Haha, speaking of which, I just looked in my rearview mirror and saw RoadRunner driving a huge mack truck right on my tail. Kind of reminds me of this...
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/277818/
Actually when I looked there earlier, it just showed everyone with about 5x the amount of points for today as usual.
Whats up jimwah? :) :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by jimwah
The guy that runs the EOC stats server said that Stanford had some wacko things happening with the server recently, too.
Yeah I was just reading that. Jason said he was talking to Vijay about some problems he was having and Vijay said they(Stanford) were having problems with 2 servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by coo-coo-clocker
Hopefully everything gets straightened out!:yepp:
Alright, I did that, lets see what happens. ;) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
With our renewed energy, the team will cross the 50 MM point mark by the end of this month. :yepp:
Renewed energy yes :up:
I got my DFI board back... but I may be selling my quad and board :( My engine in my car spun a rod bearing :( I'm going to be needing money for a new engine for my car now, that costs money, and, well....
Note to self - NEVER buy a previously-abused car :brick:
Mind riding around in a $500 civic?:p:
OK. I'm back up!
Edit: What kind of car sparky? And what engine?
1998 Camaro with the 3.8L V6. Good strong engines, 200K+ miles capable... unless they get abused like mine did. Mine only got to 110K, of which only 6K was from me :( Planning on having the transmission checked before dropping a new engine in, if the tranny is no good then no point in putting a new engine in.
Considering selling my phenom, board, and watercooling stuff to pay for it. Go back to air cooling and a single core 3500+ and a gig of memory. Fun? No, but between selling that stuff and money I have already I would have over half the cost of the new motor, meaning less money to borrow.
Kingcarcas, I don't fit in a civic. My legs are too long and I smack the steering column in those small cars. And frankly, I wouldn't trust a $500 civic (or any $500 car for that matter). Maybe a quick run around town but on some weekends I drive home which is 70 miles one way on the highway.
GAK! What's happened to our team output since 4/6?!
We need a "get out the fold" campaign :D
I have some new hardware incoming next week and will set ip up next weekend. I can't wait to get the smell when the box opens, it's my coke :(
BTW: Stijndp... any news from your cheesy authorities ? QX would be very nice asset :p:
No, they are kinda slow over here :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00p
Every night before I fall asleep I think of my QX and T. I feel like a mother without her babies.
You guys think a 2.6ghz X2 can run SMP?
Any HT or dual core CPU can run SMP. My PD820 ran SMP until I went back to 2x Text (was eating WUs)... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingcarcas
Sorry but people running the cache castrated c2d arch cpu's are having troubles making the preferred deadline, no way your D820 made them unless you ran it under fase at 6G or so :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by [cTx] Raptor22
And a HT? Prescot? You nuts right? I mean, can't even believe you just serieusly said that. :shakes:
Hey guys, I'm going to be taking a break from F@H for a while. I have been having some issues with my main folding rig and am going to take it down. Plus, I'm switching the other rig I have been using for F@H back to WCG. I'll be back though. Hopefully they will get the smp's out of beta and supporting service installs. I have been running them in service mode, but I'm not happy with how it has been running.
Strange, my dual core pent D 920 and 915 have no problems making the deadline, even an AMD 3800x2 makes it. When SMP first come out my HT P4 3.0Ghz would make two of the three different WUs deadline...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
I would have said: like father without cojones... but I understood your message by that way too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stijndp
:rofl:
Wow ok, I know some people with E2xxx cpu's which were having trouble with the deadlines, and some 3800 x2's which needed to be clocked to get them but that was in the start. Maybe they lacked in other departments, ram or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
Still really amazed about your p4 D's being able to rack them up in time, not to mention a HT cpu infact I really don't believe in it. The minimum spec for a mac smp client is 1.83g c2d andQuote:
Originally Posted by smp faq
Ouch. That's gonna hurt 4x4N, you're one of our top dogs! Anything we can do to make you stay? Free beer? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] 4X4N
Maybe they changed the deadlines? :shrug: Or maybe the P-D didn't make the preferred deadline but maybe still the final deadline?
I wouldn't worry about it too much though. If anyone still is running a P-D I suggest they replace it with a cheap X2 or a C2D as they would pay for themselves in electricity savings :p:
But to answer Kingcarcas' question, yes a 2.6GHz X2 can run SMP no problem. My opteron 165 (same arch) @ 2.8GHz had plenty of time left before the deadlines so a 200MHz slower chip won't be a problem at all :up:
4X4N, if you take a break, we thank you for your support :up: But please don't be gone long :D
:censored: :upset: :soap: :dammit: :cussing: We were so close to a redline as a team (200K) :cord:
Oh well... my next cube project is coming... when exactly, not sure, but got ordered Magicool's 480 rad already :p:
The Pent Ds were actually faster than the 3800x2. The 3800x2 was a stock HP machine dedicated rig, it would take 2.5 days for a WU about 700-800 ppd. The Pent Ds were at 3.2 Ghz and would complete a WU in about 28 hours or 1200-1400 PPD. On certain WUs the small cache E6400/E6300 would be about the same speed as the Pent D....
The E6420 at work (stock off course) does 1400ppd, 1200ppd when I'm working. I can change DRAM timings in HP's bios but I can't set a smple fsb :shrug:
Thanks, but right now i'm dealing with a freakin' IRQL NOT LESS THAN OR EQUAL BSOD, i've seen it before but this time it happened after i installed SMP. I'm thinking of just wiping windows all together, but first i'll check to see if the RAM is stable.
Yup cache matters I know, I mentioned before I know people with 2xxx series cpu's which are having trouble making the preferred deadline, but still I'm shaking my head as I can't believe a HT cpu to be able to complete a smp WU within the preferred deadline ( or is Sparky right and did you mean the final deadline? ).
Stijn, if you know the pll try setfsb can't hurt to try.
Marvin... no-one said those cache-lacking cpus were meeting preferred deadlines?
BTW: 6420 is fine, it has 4mb cache. But I really don't remember how much was the difference compared to jimwah's allendale 6400... IIRC it wasn't that dramatic...
Maybe it was just me, if people say they make the deadline I always assume we're talking about the prefered one's :)
And the 1mb cache variants do show a drastic diffrence in frame times, fah always been cache dependant on intel due to the arch. I went from a 6400 to a 6600 and the diffrence was certainly very noticeable ( note I did never say dramatic going from 2 to 4 ).
It's pretty annoying knowing that it could give me 50% extra clocks without even changing Vc.Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00p
It's running 40°C on both core's with folding 24/7. When I opened the case it had a very weird cooler, looked like an arctic freezer but I don't think it was. But I was in a hurry, some idiot put the ram in single channel instead of dual channel (government agencies :rofl: ). Anyone know what coolers HP puts on the C2D's?
Idk about the cooler but next time you have it open try looking for the pll chip :)
Maybe it's time to remind people that when a client is not finishing wu in preferred deadline, then this wu is re-issued to someone else automagically and thus the same wu is folded twice and the project is taking hit of a slack :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
But if wu returned back to stanford servers before final deadline it is then being credited though, yet not cool way run to f@h :(
So I know why you, MTM, would think mainly about pref. deadline
Agreed :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00p
Well they must do something with it or they wouldn't have two deadlines and especially giving full points when missing the first deadline.
So it's wasting cycles but I wonder how much they care about it. The points are a way of telling how important something is.
Which is why you afaik don't get full credit if you miss a preferred deadline.
Edit: not to mention I don't really care about points, more about the scientific work/value :up:
The faq might be outdated but as for as I remember this has always been there. Or I'm understanding teh word "stats credit" wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
And I care alot about my points. I have no fricking idea which project is more helpfull for them and the only thing telling me is the points they give.Quote:
Are there any limits to how long my machine can take to finish a work unit (WU)? Yes. Depending on the work unit, unfinished work units for most projects "expire" and are reassigned to new machines. Since new WUs are generated by finishing old ones, we must keep things moving along by expiring units. As we move to longer WUs we will extend this time as needed. Expirations vary on the order of a week to a few weeks, depending on the nature of the WU. You will get stats credit for all units that you complete, even if they have expired, but they will not be as useful scientifically.
Without those points they would also lose a huge amount of extreme folders. They'd lose me for sure over other scientific DC's where I can help as much and with the extra of friendly competition.
You get credited for EUE's, but you don't recieve full credit when you pass the preferred deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stijndp
(click on 'quote' for the link)
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Originally Posted by Fahwiki
And I understand the idea of the points being important motivation and guidance. But if you read up about the project then you will know the fastest turn around times are always prefered for the most scientific value afaik.
umm what you quoted says you get full credit when submitted before the final deadline, so if you pass the preferred but get it turned in before the final you get full credit...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Oops did I write that post? :sofa:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Can't edit it anymore, since you quoted it already lol. Wel shame on me.
What I ment to say was that yes you get the credit but it's clearly said you don't do the project the best service. I got confuzed with the EUE's being awarded points based on how far they where already I guess. Shouldn't post in a hurry :ROTF:
Me too, me too... ;)
AFAIK... full credits between deadlines before final. Scientific value diminishes there when one cpu has to fold the same wu that was almost folded by an another cpu, simple... in the contrary that the other cpu could have been folded totally fresh and fruitful work unit
[ot]Well that is my principal #1 at my work. Since I hate to do things twice, do it right at the first place. How many times do you think I succeed in that :rofl: [/ot]
Nope... but it is Sparky's speciality :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
But I haven't seen him goof up like I did just now :down: :clap: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00p
Just what I meant. Wants to post faster than that one_ in_every_70_seconds, every time very factual posts :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Bloodddy hell then what's the point, i'll set two consoles again. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by sc00p
My finger is quick to the edit button so you just don't see my goofs :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Lol yeah next time I'll read my posts thoroughly... next time :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Well we all know it gets passed to another client, so cycles are wasted in our eyes. They also state that but either they don't have the system to give people less credits/no credits or they really value it as much. For instance to compare results afterwards.
I'm sure everyone sends in faulty WU's from time to time. It's almost impossible for a CPU to have no errors when it's running 100% 24/7. And especially with the SMP and the rather unstable MPI. We all know how delicate the MPI is running under Windows.
Damn I wish they'd make their stuff open source so wouldn't have to guess all the time and could really optimise our machines to it. If they fear safety of the program they are making the program wrong anyway.
Iirc they feared they would loose allot off participants if they credited people less for those late units. Don't think their right but who am I :shrug:
Imo most people do fah not for points, but maybe I'm to convinced of people's good intentions :)
Btw, the new smp beta does not use MPI anymore. Maybe your whish about more open source coding involved in the project will come true as I think that's the way they been going with both the new smp and the new cal gpu client.
Idk about faulty wu's, the client should EUE then ( if that's what you mean with faulty wu's, some wu's are supposed to EUE so you're right ). And the 24/7 stability besides the science is the biggest drive for allot of people, epeen ftw :cool: Had months on the smp without a EUE or anything, infact that was with the very first beta it went downhill for me from then on, though the current one ( I'm still on 5.91 going from memory ) been pretty nice to.
man!!! this sucks. I just got into the 52 space and now I'm not passing people day by day anymore. EVERYONE, let me pass you!
You could start with another name :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by mike8913
Add a couple more quads to keep up that brisk pace :D
I dont even have one quad, i just threw a sticker on my e4300 and it flies
well maybe time to get a quad to help keep passing people? :wasntme:
yeah! Tax Refund + $199 Q6600 = MO PPD! :stick:
On a separate note, I got a 3065 WU yesterday. It's got a 24hr preferred deadline. This thing is taking my main rig something like 27 hours to crunch! OWWWWW! This isn't a slow rig, but... :shrug:
Hey, remind me - is anyone running dual SMP on C2D chips?
If you care for the project you wouldn't even ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by coo-coo-clocker
SMP on dual core no problem but trying to double that? Remember that if you don't return the wu before the preferred deadline you're hurting the science since you will let someone else process the exact same wu?
On another note, nice to hear about your tax returns :up:
That's sig worthy. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mike8913
Hmm, tax returns = 2 more quads :shocked: I couldn't resist...
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/5101696
Now to assmeble the other components :yepp: