Well, that is the kind of market that Tesla is targeting, not GeForce.Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
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Well, that is the kind of market that Tesla is targeting, not GeForce.Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
i'm not even sure if nvidia managed to produce 400 working gpus so far
well its not only about being smart... do you really think they put backup logic on fermi? its so huge that some of the blocks of a fully fledged GF100 probably ARE seen by nvidia as backup units... its just that nvidia can enabled all of them on some few very good cores, while ati has backup logic that can only be enabled if something is broken... know what i mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
hahah definately :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
mhhhh in 3d? did you see it with glasses? what was your impression? i saw this at the display show here in taiwan and thought the bezel was terrible in 3d, cause it cuts the 3d objects in 2 pieces in a really weird way...Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
i didnt say the chips cant be produced... i just find it odd that the ref pcb for gt300 isnt finished yet... cause nvidia previously said they have the cards already and just wait for the chips... or am i mixing something up?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
hehhehe :D it all depends on how you define mass production i guess :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
do you know if that was actual game perf then or just rop perf meassured somehow?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
naaahhh come on, the 5800 was a nightmare... it was slower in some games than its predecessor FFS! :D really cant compare that... and back then gpu power really mattered, nowadays you can play at max details even with mainstream cards :DQuote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
hmmmm what exactly does ai enabled do? does it reduce iq?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
well that perfectly matches the FC2 results... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Yes, but why spend $2500 on the performance of a $100 card?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElSel10
Hence my Q2 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by W1zzard
I'm expecting 7800GTX 512 like availability.
or versus the 200GFlOPS of 4850 theoretically.:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
p.s.- and iirc hitting theoretical DP peak is much easier than single precision so those "better" efficiency claims won't work here.
depending on the application, most people can come up with 80% efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamervivek
Too early to be too sure about the GPGPU performance of GF100, but everything is indicating a new era, with unheard performance of personal supercomputers just around the corner. :D
Leaving A.I. enabled in FarCry 2 benchmark does the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
1) Allows the CPU performance ( not actual amount of cores, meaning a similarly clocked Core i7 920 with HT off will perform the same as a 920 with HT on ) to have a decent impact in the benchmark's performance results because it partially simulates normal gameplay ( as in the PC "calculates" the enemies & other "live" objects moves & artificial intelligence stuff ).
2) In short-term benchmarks it can introduce a lil' bit more discrepancy between the results ( but that gets covered by the 3 runs of the bench )
It's like the Unreal Tournament "flyby" ( rendering ) and "botmatch" ( rendering + AI ) benchmark modes.
Why spend 500.000 on a Ferrari or even 1.000.000 on a Bugatti ?Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
Because it looks cool. Surely not the reason to get Tesla over GeForce. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
I use milkyway@home and it uses DP and i am not so sure about Collatz Conjecture but i think it also uses DP not sure tough.
Our 4*5850 can crunch out more than anything nvidia has at the moment and what GF100 could do in the future. Also if i remember correctly my friends 4870 reached speeds of around 140-145 Gflops DP there....
invalid comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
A Quadro has nearly identical stats and performance to a Geforce product. a Fiat 500 has neither of those compared to a ferrari. they only share the things that make them a "car" and not much else. I'm not comparing a S3 Trio to a Quadro here.
Anyone know when the next NDA lifts?
Hopefully we might see a street date, or perhaps some benchmarks of cards from vendors and not NVidia...as far as performance, the jurys out until Trubitar, Tom's Hardware, or HardOCP..etc..get a card to test
A tuesday after Cebit, that'd be March 9th at the earliest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setix
There's probably an NDA about telling when the NDA lifts. Mid February perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Setix
edit nvm posted above right before me.
"Why spend 500.000 on a Ferrari or even 1.000.000 on a Bugatti ?" Is wrong question. Actually the opposite question applies to GF100.
Why spend 500.000 on a supercomputer or even 1.000.000 on a the dig blue, when you can get the same performance by spending $700 on a GF100?
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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
$700 a supercomputer does not make.
It's application specific and the main reason you can only find one nvidia supercomputer in the supercomputer TOP-100. the "GPU supercomputer" is still a non-argument.
[kid with the why questions mode]And why should nVIDIA sell a "supercomputer card" for 700$ instead of 1500$?[/kid with the why questions mode]Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
The new articulate of GF100 is aiming to dominate and change this landscape in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
GPGPU is a very new technology, and has been in child-stage until now. It is really surprising to have 1 supercomputer in TOP-100 already based on the old technology. Stay tuned, everything indicating that you are going to get surprised soon.
pretty much, yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
im surprised how confident ati is though...
they knew that fermi is more than double the hw logic, and they knew that nvidia always targets to reach the same perf with a single gpu card as their previous dual gpu card... and from what nvidia showed at the deep dive event, thats exactly where fermi perf is at...
well yeah, nvidia didnt say if the card they showed was a 360 or 380, how many cores, what clocks etc... of course this created a wildfire of speculation... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LesGrossman
whoever thought that fermi would be notably faster than a gtx295 wasnt anticipating but dreaming... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by h0bbes
they are creating a massive expensive power hungry super performance part... hows that trying something different?Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
i think atis strategy to bring the same perf level down to much lower prices makes a lot more sense, especially if you consider how the pc industry has developed in recent years...
thx for all the interesting infos a couple of pages back LordEC911! :toast:
40% yields for fermi? thats not going to be fully functional chips though... i can believe that its 40% 484core... but 40% 512core? nah...Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
well.. i wasnt impressed by it tbh... it looks a lot like the mairmade nalu demo nvidia used a long time ago, and perf wasnt orders of magnitude higher... so i doubt we will see games simulate hair like that and it will remain a tech demo just like the thing nvidia showed before...Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
i hope im wrong though! :D
hmmm neliz probably meant card MP then... it takes a couple of weeks from wafers to chips... but im sure you know that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
thx for the headsup! :toast:
well, how would you prove he was wrong? im not saying hes lying, but he very well could be... hes famous for twisiting words around...Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew LB
so AI enabled basically means a FC2 run becomes a flyby, while AI disabled the bench tool will pretend somebody is playing the game and do all the ai calculations?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
didnt know that, thx! :toast:
Hitler aimed to rule the world.. just saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
That's just as much as "ATI" has.. and their system is considered beyond poorQuote:
GPGPU is a very new technology, and has been in child-stage until now. It is really surprising to have 1 supercomputer in TOP-100 already based on the old technology.
You cannot surprise someone that knew more about Fermi back in July then you do now. You sound awfully optimistic.. too optimistic.Quote:
Stay tuned, everything indicating that you are going to get surprised soon.
No I didn't.. the investors "mass production" refers to production RAMP, they are still quite a few weeks off from real mass production.Quote:
hmmm neliz probably meant card MP then..
You didn't know nothing back then, and you still don't know anything. Nobody knows for sure yet, because the retail product (or any of details) is not out yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by neliz
A couple of other kids have been speculating with this kind of childish arguments since July.
cypress=100$? that would mean its @ 33% yields? 0_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
and first he says gt300 is @ 40% yields right now, then he says quadro and tesla will subsidize geforce until nvidia can reach 40% yields with gt300... huh? :P
interesting read, but a bit weird... and i dont trust the numbers :P
ahhh so he WAS twisting words again :DQuote:
Originally Posted by neliz
i thought there wasnt much you could interpret when saying MP has started... but i guess you can always claim your doing MP in a special way...
so MP starts in your company means you set up a row of meetings for the next weeks at which you will discuss how and when to start MP :D
take it easy, no need to get rancid ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Right, difficult to know ... B1 rev. will be the retail version ?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya