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09-21-2009, 02:26 PM
Chickenfeed

I don't believe I've seen any mention of whether hemlock is to be 2 (2x1) or 4gb (2x2) reference yet. If it turns out its only 1GB of GDDR5, I'm more inclined to get a single 5870 now and wait.
09-21-2009, 02:48 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

I don't believe I've seen any mention of whether hemlock is to be 2 (2x1) or 4gb (2x2) reference yet. If it turns out its only 1GB of GDDR5, I'm more inclined to get a single 5870 now and wait.

Supposedly there will be two variants, unknown if both will launch at the same time in Oct.
09-21-2009, 02:58 PM
Gaul

Quote:

Originally Posted by postumus

Run #1- DX10 1920x1080 AA=4x, 64 bit test, Quality: VeryHigh ~~ Overall Average FPS: 27.42 with 8xAF, seems kinda low but maybe it's the drivers/something with my setup.

TRY CRYSIS WARHEAD BENCHMARK ( if u don't mind ).....make similiar my setting...

1920x1200, DX 10, 8xAA, Enthusiast, FROST, etc

4890 def clock

http://i36.tinypic.com/nohagn.jpg

I WONDER, 5870 touch MIN AVG 30 FPS , 4890 def only 12.75 FPS

THEN OC 4890 @ 950/1150

http://i36.tinypic.com/t6xyyq.jpg
09-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Jowy Atreides

http://nl.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...TrUrl=Vertalen

That old page that 404'd
09-21-2009, 03:21 PM
astrallite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaul

TRY CRYSIS WARHEAD BENCHMARK ( if u don't mind ).....make similiar my setting...

1920x1200, DX 10, 8xAA, Enthusiast, FROST, etc

4890 def clock

I WONDER, 5870 touch MIN AVG 30 FPS , 4890 def only 12.75 FPS

For whatever reason, nvidia cards score better on minimum framerates in Crysis, with average framerates normalized.

That said, if 5870 is the same as 4890 CF you should see minimum of around 19-21, average around 30-32.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...i_8.html#sect0

30 minimum FPS median low is IMPOSSIBLE, even GTX295 QUAD SLI is 23 fps minimum. You probably need 10 teraflops to get 30fps minimum in Crysis, lol.
09-21-2009, 03:46 PM
Milky Way

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Again as I asked earlier in the thread, how? I run 2560x1600 2x AA at around 35-40fps during races maxed in-game options 16x AF, sometimes up to 45 if not many cars on screen, in the full NFS Shift game. My system is a GTX 280 1GB, i7 920 HT on @ 3.72ghz, 6GB DDR3, X-Fi XtremeGamer, Asus P6T X58. Something smells funny with your statement.

Nothing strange. 2560x1600 has almost twice as many pixels as 1920x1080.

I run the NFS shift demo on a a HD4870 512MB and have between 35-50 fps at 1920x1080, with 4xAA and 4xAF. C2D E6750@3.6GHz. Everything at high except for motion blur at medium (I don't like motion blur too much).
09-21-2009, 03:59 PM
Chumbucket843

does anyone know how well these cards handle AA. it seems rv870 has top notch texture filtering.
09-21-2009, 05:03 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chumbucket843

does anyone know how well these cards handle AA. it seems rv870 has top notch texture filtering.

Extremely well if those graphs are legit.
Shows a very minimal, less than 20% and around 10-15% average, FPS drop when going to 8xAA.
09-21-2009, 07:31 PM
justin.kerr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaul

I WONDER, 5870 touch MIN AVG 30 FPS , 4890 def only 12.75 FPS

I hope so, but my 4890's in crossfire, with the same settings, Dx10 AA 8, 1920x1200, enthusiast, frost, will do MIN (24) AVG (34) MAX (44)
so if the 5870 will do MIN of 30, that will be very impressive, and the 5870x2 might just run the game smoothly. :rofl:
09-21-2009, 07:35 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

Im so getting this, my Gigabyte rep told me they are getting only 5 pieces and its all going to newegg. More should come in october he said. This is the So-Cal warehouse in walnut.
09-21-2009, 07:36 PM
nascasho

Is the NDA released on 22nd or 23rd EST? I'm hearing both so much I don't know anymore.
09-21-2009, 07:38 PM
jaredpace

This guy, 'armenianlegend' has two 5870's overclocked to 900/1200 in crossfire here (hes shown pics):

http://www.overclock.net/ati/578416-...hmarks-10.html

He's looking for someone to help him overclock his ram, and then hes going to do some crysis runs. Any takers?
09-21-2009, 07:41 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

Quote:

Originally Posted by nascasho

Is the NDA released on 22nd or 23rd EST? I'm hearing both so much I don't know anymore.

September 23rd is what i was told, not 100% tho.
09-21-2009, 07:42 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredpace

This guy, 'armenianlegend' has two 5870's overclocked to 900/1200 in crossfire here (hes shown pics):

http://www.overclock.net/ati/578416-...hmarks-10.html

He's looking for someone to help him overclock his ram, and then hes going to do some crysis runs. Any takers?

HAHA, how funny, im armenian too, so is Charlie Demerjian :ROTF: Man i cant stand that guy!
09-21-2009, 08:43 PM
Gaul

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrallite

30 minimum FPS median low is IMPOSSIBLE

Well maybe 5870 CF can do ?? :)
09-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

Pre orders already up at ZZF $399.99, $299.99 for 5850

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...tCode=10011217

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...dlist=celebros
09-21-2009, 09:53 PM
nascasho

^^^ I don't see where to pre-order... :(
09-21-2009, 09:57 PM
TheSynth

It also says the 5870 has 800 stream processors. Must be a misprint.
09-21-2009, 09:57 PM
Sh1tyMcGee

Quote:

Originally Posted by nascasho

^^^ I don't see where to pre-order... :(

It should be available for purchase tomorrow morning, wake up early you should be able to get one, if not tomorrow, wed.
09-21-2009, 10:03 PM
nascasho

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh1tyMcGee

It should be available for purchase tomorrow morning, wake up early you should be able to get one, if not tomorrow, wed.

I'm tempted sooo bad, but I want the XFX version because of what I heard about their customer service and lifetime warranty. Gonna have dreams about whether to get one or two. Only game I'll be playing with it for a while will be AION, but I love the occasional Crysis run so two would come in handy. Hell, I have 3 GTX260's (3rd was being RMA'd because it died...) and I don't even game, just got it for Crysis and Vantage (28k)... but the Microstutter was soooo bad, it was epic.

Decisions decisions. What move you think I should do?
09-21-2009, 10:05 PM
astrallite

Just a heads up for postumus' Crysis VH 1080p benchmark with 16QXAA. 16Q does not work on ATI cards. This is why postumus had a higher framerate with 16Q (30fps) vs 8xAA (27fps). The 16Q setting on an ATI card is essentially NO AA; I've verified with users on other boards.

A GTX285 would get about 26fps and an overclocked 285 would get you about 27.5 under a no AA setting. So double the teraflops and we get...3 more frames per second! :rofl:
09-21-2009, 10:10 PM
Jowy Atreides

Edit:

http://www.blogcdn.com/nintendo.joys...cret070908.png
09-21-2009, 10:49 PM
***Deimos***

Is this going to be like
8800 GTX launch (Oct 2006)
- no new games, limited availability, very high price, crazy power hungry.

, or like 8800 GT (Nov 2007)?
- correspond to launch of Crysis, cheap, plentiful,

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Personally, besides Vantage scores and such, I dont see the big deal. Besides Crysis, is there anything HD4890 or GTX285 can't handle (or CF/SLI)? Some reviews dont bother even with 1600x1200 or no AA, and skip right to 1920x1200 8xAA. Maybe I'm out of touch, but besides Battleforge, I dunno of any famous DX11 games coming up.
09-21-2009, 11:17 PM
zshadow

Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

Is this going to be like
8800 GTX launch (Oct 2006)
- no new games, limited availability, very high price, crazy power hungry.

, or like 8800 GT (Nov 2007)?
- correspond to launch of Crysis, cheap, plentiful,

==========
Personally, besides Vantage scores and such, I dont see the big deal. Besides Crysis, is there anything HD4890 or GTX285 can't handle (or CF/SLI)? Some reviews dont bother even with 1600x1200 or no AA, and skip right to 1920x1200 8xAA. Maybe I'm out of touch, but besides Battleforge, I dunno of any famous DX11 games coming up.

I'm in the same boat I don't see any reason to lay down $400 for this card (or $800 if going CrossFire) for marginally better FPS in Crysis, a two year old game. I have a single GTX275 and runs everything fine maxed at 2560x1600 aside from Crysis. There are virtually no demanding games on the horizon either, at least for the forseeable future. Modern Warfare 2 and Bioshock 2 are console ports and likely will run just fine on even a 8800GT.

I guess if you want to run 8xAA, this is the card for you - looks like there's huge gains there. But for most people running 1920x1200 with 4xAA I don't see the point o.o Granted ATI is delivering one hell of a card but no games are stressing current high-end systems apart from Crysis. Until something gives me a reason to upgrade I will stay where I'm at.
09-21-2009, 11:22 PM
flopper

Quote:

Originally Posted by zshadow

I'm in the same boat I don't see any reason to lay down $400 for this card (or $800 if going CrossFire) for marginally better FPS in Crysis, a two year old game. I have a single GTX275 and runs everything fine maxed at 2560x1600 aside from Crysis. There are virtually no demanding games on the horizon either, at least for the forseeable future. Modern Warfare 2 and Bioshock 2 are console ports and likely will run just fine on even a 8800GT.

I guess if you want to run 8xAA, this is the card for you - looks like there's huge gains there. But for most people running 1920x1200 with 4xAA I don't see the point o.o

some people wanan run multi display options.

fps isnt the only choice for upgrades, windows 7 supports dx11, and also vddm 1.1 which Nvidia cards dosnt as they are dx10.
(old tech)
The option for people running 4870and such is different as they already got fps, windows 7 support for vddm 1.1 but lack tripple screen option.
Then again, some have waited to upgrade for 6+ months ;)

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