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10-25-2013, 07:10 AM
Sparky

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Its hardly proven to be the worlds fastest. The max I have seen this thing clock is 1400ish and that's with liquid nitrogen. And that's not going to take down a 1800mhz + titan.

Quotes such as "world's fastest" should ALWAYS be taken as a stock-for-stock comparison. Duh, when you overclock all bets are off. But that's not the point at the moment. MOST people aren't going to go hog wild overclocking.

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Originally Posted by Olivon

fyp

I personally don't give a rip about Gsync. I am not spending oodles of money on new hardware and a licensed screen just to prevent the occasional screen tear that I almost never see in the first place anyway, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'd much rather have something like Mantle (if it proves to be adopted and useful) and TrueAudio (again, if it proves to be a benefit) vs gsync that requires not just the card but extra special hardware too.
10-25-2013, 07:55 AM
Ace123

What's this talk of overclocked cards beating stock other cards? Quit being petty. Stock card vs stock, overclocked vs overclocked. If the 780 doesn't beat the Titan or the 290x with both at factory, then it doesn't beat it. That leaves the two fastest cards in the comparison for top dog. It IS at the moment R9 290x, then Titan, and in third Gtx 780. Whether GTX 780ti changes that remains to be seen.
10-25-2013, 10:50 AM
tajoh111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace123

What's this talk of overclocked cards beating stock other cards? Quit being petty. Stock card vs stock, overclocked vs overclocked. If the 780 doesn't beat the Titan or the 290x with both at factory, then it doesn't beat it. That leaves the two fastest cards in the comparison for top dog. It IS at the moment R9 290x, then Titan, and in third Gtx 780. Whether GTX 780ti changes that remains to be seen.

As I see it at stock, the gtx titan and r290x are equals. They trade blows with each other enough times that there is no clear winner. AND if you warm of the cards before hand, it loses a few points to Titan. In addition, remove of couple gaming evolved titles from the testing suite(sleeping dogs or dirt showdown) and it becomes even more contestable what is fastest.

The only time it does become faster in most settings, is if you turn on a uber setting(which is not turned on by default) where it is uncomfortable loud and basically has an overclock on it.

I wasn't talking about overclocked cards beating stock cards either. I was talking taking cards to the max with ln2 with both cards. Since I thought aussie revhead was into benching and we are talking about world records and benchmarking, I think we should talk about max overclocks of both cards.

Titan from day 1, could reach past 1700mhz(they are well past this now closing in on 1900mhz). And with Titan and r9 290x being so similar clock for clock as seen from the hardware.de review, that advantage is enough to keep it as the worlds fastest from a benching overclockers standpoint.
10-25-2013, 11:14 AM
Lanek

Quote:

Originally Posted by tajoh111

As I see it at stock, the gtx titan and r290x are equals. They trade blows with each other enough times that there is no clear winner. AND if you warm of the cards before hand, it loses a few points to Titan. In addition, remove of couple gaming evolved titles from the testing suite(sleeping dogs or dirt showdown) and it becomes even more contestable what is fastest.

The only time it does become faster in most settings, is if you turn on a uber setting(which is not turned on by default) where it is uncomfortable loud and basically has an overclock on it.

I wasn't talking about overclocked cards beating stock cards either. I was talking taking cards to the max with ln2 with both cards. Since I thought aussie revhead was into benching and we are talking about world records and benchmarking, I think we should talk about max overclocks of both cards.

Titan from day 1, could reach past 1700mhz(they are well past this now closing in on 1900mhz). And with Titan and r9 290x being so similar clock for clock as seen from the hardware.de review, that advantage is enough to keep it as the worlds fastest from a benching overclockers standpoint.

There's no overclocking on Uber mode, the only thing who change is the fan speed who is higher.. the max clock is allways the same, but it maintain it more as the temperature is less quickly reached but it is louder.. so you do a choice. Maybe we can say the fanspeed is overclocked. Ofc, this will be down really quickly if you have an AIB version with a different cooler but who run too at 1ghz.

As for LN2, well it will be more determined by performance scaling with clock....

I dont know if driver can improve performance, maybe yes maybe not, but i see on some game some behaviour when compared to the 7970ghz... so there's maybe a good possibility we will seen some performance increase ( not by much, but who know on the case by case ).. Then in some months, the game panel could too be really different, there's many games in preparation, i can allready see some who fill favor Nvidia coming and some who will favor AMD.
10-25-2013, 01:10 PM
aussie-revhead

Tajoh- yes I benchmark, I enjoy it, I like to get the most out of all of my hardware but I'm not an LN bencher so I like to look at stock comparison but also potential to push further. Nvidia seem to like having a lot of headroom compared to AMD, this can be seen clearly in the current 780/290x/Titan battle. This being an enthusiast website, and we are all enthusiasts, so overclocked performance is a very important point. I look forward to water cooled 290's and modded bios to unleash the hidden power, then we will see if 290 holds the crown at the end but it is very close so the competition will be fun.

Again I am talking synthetic benchmarks, actual gaming performance is a whole seperate ball game with so many variables to influence results. I will be comparing BF4 at 2560x1440 as this is my current need.

Guys can you post up clocks and bench results? I haven't seen any do 1200mhz yet but I'm sure it will come soon.

:D
10-25-2013, 01:15 PM
BababooeyHTJ

I'm dieing to see some 290x results on water myself.
10-25-2013, 01:30 PM
MaddMuppet

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

I'm dieing to see some 290x results on water myself.

Hopefully, they shouldn't be to far away. After all, there are water blocks already on sale. Surely someone on here must have one or two.
10-25-2013, 01:50 PM
Sparky

Quote:

Originally Posted by tajoh111

As I see it at stock, the gtx titan and r290x are equals. They trade blows with each other enough times that there is no clear winner. AND if you warm of the cards before hand, it loses a few points to Titan. In addition, remove of couple gaming evolved titles from the testing suite(sleeping dogs or dirt showdown) and it becomes even more contestable what is fastest.

Like how TWIMTBP titles should have been pulled also?

Actually doesn't leave a whole lot if you pull titles that may have optimizations for one brand or the other.
10-25-2013, 02:34 PM
Zloyd

70 $ add mk 26 and it will be the FASTEST CARD IN THE UNIVERSE EVER !!! even after 780 panic edition comes out.
10-25-2013, 03:03 PM
Olivon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

:rofl:
10-25-2013, 03:05 PM
Ace123

That thing looks crazy http://media.bestofmicro.com/prolima...-374875-13.jpg
10-25-2013, 03:08 PM
MaddMuppet

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace123

That thing looks crazy http://media.bestofmicro.com/prolima...-374875-13.jpg

That is nuts. Looks like it will take up 4 PCI-e slots :eek:
10-25-2013, 03:26 PM
AliG

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Originally Posted by Ace123

That thing looks crazy http://media.bestofmicro.com/prolima...-374875-13.jpg

That. Is. BEAUTIFUL.
10-25-2013, 03:31 PM
[XC] Oj101

Quote:

Originally Posted by tajoh111

Its hardly proven to be the worlds fastest. The max I have seen this thing clock is 1400ish and that's with liquid nitrogen.

Yip, as I said a few weeks ago and explained why:

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

I'm not going to give numbers, but I'll say that it's all over for the TITAN until LN2 is used, at which point the roles are reversed. LN2 is kinda wasted on the card.

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

5+1 PWM hasn't done it any favours ;)

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

5+1+1. For now I'm not going to say anything more on the subject :)

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

1400 MHz is what the card does on LN2.
10-25-2013, 03:40 PM
[XC] Oj101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace123

It IS at the moment R9 290x, then Titan, and in third Gtx 780.

Ace123, how are you defining stock speeds? If NVIDIA reference speeds only, then by all means. If you're allowing for AIB partner overclocks such as the EVGA GTX 780 Classified and Zotac GeForce GTX 780 AMP! Edition both sitting around 1150 MHz out of the box (stock?), then no, the GTX 780 and GTX TITAN swap places until you crank up the resolution.
10-25-2013, 03:46 PM
aussie-revhead

Ace - what is that? It looks like a 7990 with a heat pipe CPU cooler on each gpu ....

Hurry with the water results guys. I have a UNI block but no stores here have 290x in stock ....

:(
10-25-2013, 03:48 PM
MaddMuppet

Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie-revhead

Ace - what is that? It looks like a 7990 with a heat pipe CPU cooler on each gpu ....

Hurry with the water results guys. I have a UNI block but no stores here have 290x in stock ....

:(

Yes please.
10-25-2013, 04:16 PM
BababooeyHTJ

I sent an email to performance pc. Apparently they'll have blocks on Tuesday.
10-25-2013, 04:21 PM
msimax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olivon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

:rofl:

lmfao
10-25-2013, 04:41 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by aussie-revhead

Tajoh- yes I benchmark, I enjoy it, I like to get the most out of all of my hardware but I'm not an LN bencher so I like to look at stock comparison but also potential to push further. Nvidia seem to like having a lot of headroom compared to AMD, this can be seen clearly in the current 780/290x/Titan battle. This being an enthusiast website, and we are all enthusiasts, so overclocked performance is a very important point. I look forward to water cooled 290's and modded bios to unleash the hidden power, then we will see if 290 holds the crown at the end but it is very close so the competition will be fun.

Again I am talking synthetic benchmarks, actual gaming performance is a whole seperate ball game with so many variables to influence results. I will be comparing BF4 at 2560x1440 as this is my current need.

Guys can you post up clocks and bench results? I haven't seen any do 1200mhz yet but I'm sure it will come soon.

:D

I betcha also OC your bike when doing passes over at eastern creek ;)

one of my colleagues has a 12zx r with a huge turbo..... bike OC'ed to the max :D
10-25-2013, 05:09 PM
chispy

AMD R9 290X All volt Mods done by the master , the only one Shamino. Follow the link for all the information and instructions + downloads. At klngpln forum:

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2473 , As per Shamino : " you are responsible for your own modding!
"

Enjoy it ! and Thank you so much Peter.
10-25-2013, 05:30 PM
tbone8ty

Dual slot MSI twin frozr will be nice to see
10-25-2013, 06:08 PM
kuroikenshi

Quote:

Originally Posted by chispy

AMD R9 290X All volt Mods done by the master , the only one Shamino. Follow the link for all the information and instructions + downloads. At klngpln forum:

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2473 , As per Shamino : " you are responsible for your own modding!
"

Enjoy it ! and Thank you so much Peter.

could not see the results image, bad link, but I dare say he got some whoop ass scores with those hard mods.
10-25-2013, 06:10 PM
aussie-revhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuroikenshi

I betcha also OC your bike when doing passes over at eastern creek ;)

one of my colleagues has a 12zx r with a huge turbo..... bike OC'ed to the max :D

haha ZX14 is next on my shopping list (after I convince the missus lol)

Thanks chispy, now all we need is stock on the shop shelves ... Asus bios seems to unlock 2.0v so is there a need to vmod (on water not LN)?

:)
10-25-2013, 06:18 PM
Ace123

Thats that mk 26 that guy was talking about

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pro...ler,21315.html

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