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08-13-2011, 11:48 PM
chew*

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Originally Posted by Dumo

Any prediction of how good/bad BD is just speculation...until we have an actual FX chip on our mobo's socket:)

I don't need to speculate But i surely am not going to be anyones "source" either.
08-13-2011, 11:56 PM
TESKATLIPOKA

chew* we don't want any trouble for you so we won't ask.
08-14-2011, 07:36 AM
freeloader

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Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA

freeloader BD won't crush SB but will be an excellent competitor that's what we all want. To crush the competition BD would need to have at least a core better by 10% than SB. Even if it had the same core to core performance It would be better only in 5-8 threads because SB has HT. You need to be reminded that SB is better by 30-35% than Deneb core to core and you want BD to have a better core by 40-50% than Deneb thats pretty much unreal.
Because you won't get that much improvement BD is a disappointment for you, then what would you buy, SB? BD should be on par with SB or you can get SB-E but it would be pointless if you don't use more than 4 threaded applications because SB and SB-E will perform almost the same in single thread and only the higher core count will make the real difference.

I was hoping that BD would be faster than SB by 10%+ in most benches. I bought into the hype too heavily. AMD will have a chip that's within 10% of the performance of an I2600K. It's a good chip at a good price, I was just expecting a bit more. Because of my current setup (955@4ghz), I'm still going to buy the top model BD just to overclock the heck out of it when it's released. Roughly eight weeks to go. :)
08-14-2011, 07:40 AM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by freeloader

I was hoping that BD would be faster than SB by 10%+ in most benches. I bought into the hype too heavily. AMD will have a chip that's within 10% of the performance of an I2600K. It's a good chip at a good price, I was just expecting a bit more. Because of my current setup (955@4ghz), I'm still going to buy the top model BD just to overclock the heck out of it when it's released. Roughly eight weeks to go. :)

within 10% on what tests? single threaded tests?, up to 4 threads?, 8 threads?, stock clocks? OCed?
they are way different in their design and both chips are designed to be competitive in all different segments, but i do expect one to be a clear winner in some, and clear looser in others.
08-14-2011, 07:56 AM
Dumo

Quote:

Originally Posted by chew*

I don't need to speculate But i surely am not going to be anyones "source" either.

At least it will scale with cold...or is it?:D
08-14-2011, 07:57 AM
rintamarotta

It is bit weaker than expected few months ago, how ever i really think that Socket FM2 Bulldozer will show the true performance of this architecture.

AMD allways scales better with cold due its SOI.
08-14-2011, 08:22 AM
BeepBeep2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daveburt714

Beep is a fanboy... :D

It don't make you bad man...I am too. ;)

I'll shaddup up now... I always drink beer, damn, whiskey! sigh...

I'm not a :banana::banana::banana::banana: folks, sorry for even posting. It doesn't make me bad (hic). :cool:

Dave there is a key word in my post -
"Competitively priced"

I really want a 2500K and UD5 right now, actually I have for a while...but I don't have the money. I do prefer AMD hardware over intel a little bit, but as far as X6 lags behind it's time for something new to play with. I want to buy bulldozer so money has been put aside.
08-14-2011, 09:21 AM
undone

Quote:

Originally Posted by rintamarotta

It is bit weaker than expected few months ago,

Are you refering to 'beat 2600k and 990x with ease' statement? I always speculate Zambezi will on par with 990x.
08-14-2011, 09:43 AM
Olivon

Quote:

Originally Posted by rintamarotta

It is bit weaker than expected few months ago, how ever i really think that Socket FM2 Bulldozer will show the true performance of this architecture.

AMD allways scales better with cold due its SOI.

:rofl: :ROTF:
08-14-2011, 09:56 AM
TESKATLIPOKA

freeloader I think you should see drfedja's chart, thats the best case scenario BD could perform on average against the competition, doesn't mean it will really happen but If yes I would be more than happy, then the only thing I need is a Trinity 13'' notebook:D.

Manicdan BD in SuperPI will be the clear loser thats for sure:up:
08-14-2011, 02:53 PM
demonkevy666

Quote:

Originally Posted by TESKATLIPOKA

freeloader I think you should see drfedja's chart, thats the best case scenario BD could perform on average against the competition, doesn't mean it will really happen but If yes I would be more than happy, then the only thing I need is a Trinity 13'' notebook:D.

Manicdan BD in SuperPI will be the clear loser thats for sure:up:

who uses X87 ?
08-15-2011, 01:35 AM
TESKATLIPOKA

demonkevy666 I meant it as a joke;)
08-15-2011, 05:18 AM
Warwian

According to the Swedish site Sweclockers there are rumors circulating in the Swedish sales channel that Bulldozer deliveries will begin in the last week of September (somewhere around the 26th to 30th of September).

If true it looks like we might see a September release after all, which is good news!

Link:
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/143...an-i-september

Translated:
http://translate.google.se/translate...an-i-september
08-15-2011, 08:50 AM
RussC

AMD said in the conference call that "BD will ship this qtr for revunue". Well thats all the way out to Oct.. This Sept. 19 date seems to be the next bogy. It'll be real telling then.

edit, once the cpus start shipping to OEM's, to me thats when the real "perfromace leaks" will start in ernest.

RussC
08-15-2011, 10:45 AM
Formula350

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warwian

According to the Swedish site Sweclockers there are rumors circulating in the Swedish sales channel that Bulldozer deliveries will begin in the last week of September (somewhere around the 26th to 30th of September).

If true it looks like we might see a September release after all, which is good news!

Quote:

Originally Posted by RussC

AMD said in the conference call that "BD will ship this qtr for revunue". Well thats all the way out to Oct.. This Sept. 19 date seems to be the next bogy. It'll be real telling then.

I've been gone all of July (left the 8th) but what I gleaned upon coming back (Aug 5th, was w/o internet at the cabin) is Sep 22nd, and first week or so in Oct for being in retail. Before I left it was an early/mid August slated release :(

I think this date will stick though, finally :\
08-15-2011, 06:25 PM
rintamarotta

I dont have 990X in here so i dont know performance compared to 990X.
08-16-2011, 01:13 AM
flyck

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Originally Posted by freeloader

You're the one who said AMD is going to have a $300 dollar price tag on BD, not me. If you had a product that was faster than your competitors, you would definitely charge more for it. We will see in two months who is right and who was wrong. A lot of AMD peeps around here are going to end up with egg on their faces, including myself. I already set up a CHV system with a Phenom II 955 (waiting for BD to arrive when I built it), but now I feel I made a poor decision. :(

The rumoured Quad core 3.6GHz-3.9GHz SB-E is priced at 294$. If it is close to that in speed then that is a great feat
08-16-2011, 04:09 AM
memmem

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Originally Posted by rintamarotta

I dont have 990X in here so i dont know performance compared to 990X.

Do you have a 2600k?
How does it compare?
08-16-2011, 06:45 AM
tbone8ty

just curious iFANyBOdY knows what the NB freq will be on Bulldozer?

is it still the same 2000mhz HT link and 2000mhz NB freq? will the NB have an unlocked Multi?
08-16-2011, 07:20 AM
xVeinx

HT 3.1 should be at 3 Ghz (9xx series chipset), along with 2.6 Ghz NB frequency I believe. No idea on the multis though...
08-16-2011, 09:06 AM
Mechanical Man

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Originally Posted by xVeinx

HT 3.1 should be at 3 Ghz (9xx series chipset), along with 2.6 Ghz NB frequency I believe. No idea on the multis though...

With PII you cant have lower clock on HT than in NB, so i doubt that.
08-16-2011, 09:24 AM
Smartidiot89

Quote:

Originally Posted by RussC

AMD said in the conference call that "BD will ship this qtr for revunue". Well thats all the way out to Oct.. This Sept. 19 date seems to be the next bogy. It'll be real telling then.

edit, once the cpus start shipping to OEM's, to me thats when the real "perfromace leaks" will start in ernest.

RussC

AMD said more than that, Bulldozer would ship to their partners during august.

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

With PII you cant have lower clock on HT than in NB, so i doubt that.

Yes, the Opterons can have that so I don't see why it would be a hard limitation for AMD's brand spanking new architecture.
08-16-2011, 09:37 AM
charged3800z24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

With PII you cant have lower clock on HT than in NB, so i doubt that.

I think you ment you can't have lower clock on NB then on HT.
IIRC, some Opterons have higher HT Link then the NB.
Believe it was 4000 series with 2.2ghz HT and 2.0ghz NB
08-16-2011, 11:04 AM
Mechanical Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

AMD said more than that, Bulldozer would ship to their partners during august.

Yes, the Opterons can have that so I don't see why it would be a hard limitation for AMD's brand spanking new architecture.

Did not know that. In that case it must not be limiting factor.
08-16-2011, 11:41 AM
undone

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The things i can tell you.

1. Bulldozer is here mid-Sept
2. Bulldozer will be very price competitive vs Sandy Bridge
3. Bulldozer is awesome - ha lol.
4. Every part is unlocked
5. It can OC very well!
6. AMD will be doing something special with LN2 very soon - 1-2 weeks.

http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php?t=75187

http://forums.aria.co.uk/showpost.ph...7&postcount=11

It can just confirm it's worth waiting.

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