DFI RDX200 CF-DR First look

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10-21-2005, 05:32 AM
Prometheus

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViperJohn

Simple. The ULI is not a drop in replacement for the 450SB. Pin count and layout are different. DFI was to far along in the design process when the ULI chip popped up to shift design gears, change the layout to use the ULI chip and still get the MB onto the street in anything approaching a timely manner.

My understanding is ATI has a second generation, pin compatible SB to replace the 450 that addresses the 450's short comings. The question is when lol.

Viper

There is an SB460 coming very soon, but it is just a die-shrink of SB450 as I understand it, with no other changes.
10-21-2005, 07:21 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

what settings where used for the 4x512 tccd tony?
:( ive tried 4x512 mushkin redlines last night at 2.6-2.8v 2-3-2-5-1t wont boot.
also 2x gskill tccd 512meg sticks and 2x ocz pc3200 PT tccd and can't get it to work either.
max async was at 8ns
preamble 6ns
cas 2 and 2.5
ras to cas 2 and 3
trp 2 and 3
tras 5-8 and 10
drive strength I tried from 1-max.
TCCD would make it to windows but would reboot when I went to say run sandras ddr benchmark and the UTT wouldn't post.

If there is a beta bios I can try PM me it ppleasee :0
Thanks M8.
Got an 148 opteron coming next week will retry with that chip ddr controller. :)

I posted UTT did not work, TCCD needs to be 4 matched modules, you need drive strength at 15 and 200fsb.

Aparantly micron also works 4xDS so you may want to try that also. Now you can see the work we are putting into getting settings for you guys that work.
10-21-2005, 07:23 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugly n Grey

Thanks for the effort Tony. Are you trying to do this all on ONE board? I mean if you had five you might stand a reasonable chance of getting things done more quickly. Should we start a petition? :p:

UnG

3 boards, Rgone has 2 and i have 1. I am actually trying to get a tweak guide up for OCZ with this board but it is taking a lot longer than expected.
10-21-2005, 07:36 AM
Vapor

Can you elaborate on how these timings don't act like they do with NF4.....I'm intrigued (as I need a new board ASAP and it's between this and another SLI-DR--Expert's too far off in the future to wait for)

TRC
TRFC
TRRD
Read to write and write to read
Read pre amble
Async latency
drive strength
DQS or data drive (looks close but it does seem to act different)

Thanks.
10-21-2005, 07:52 AM
Vapor

Jason...before you get in too deep with the settings and playing around learning its peculiarities, what are your initial impressions?
10-21-2005, 07:58 AM
Vapor

Sweet--I await further results before I order (I'm doing it anyway, just wanna know what I'm getting myself into) :D

Thanks. :up:
10-21-2005, 07:58 AM
xforce

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

Awsome stock running board. Anything over that I will not comment on.
It has a nice feature set, bundle, and board layout.

Thats a good first impression. Wonder where i can get hold of one.

:woot:
10-21-2005, 08:48 AM
SnipingWaste

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

yeah I knew about the UTT/BH-5, but wanted to give it a go, as for TCCD both sets where exactly the same PCB/CHIP's even the week on the chips, hehe. both would also match the settings perfect at 200mhz in 2x512 config's :(

No biggy don't want to fuss anymore on this topic back to getting the board over 225mhz :)

thanks
Jason

The TCCD you have are from 2 companys. Even if its the same chips and PCB the rom chip will have a different flash on it from one company to another.
10-21-2005, 10:21 AM
situman

So to sum up the current issue(s):

1)Memory compatibility
2)Uhhh pretty much it?

Conclusion: The cpu will clock like a bull as long as we use mem dividers to keep the mem close to 200mhz right?
10-21-2005, 10:25 AM
Vapor

If that's the conclusion....I'll take one! :D

I'd rather have my CPU at its max with my mem a little lower than what it's capable of (although I do that anyway).

Just gotta wait for the Egg to get them back in stock now :stick:
10-21-2005, 10:56 AM
situman

I could care less if the memory doesnt go over 225. There's more than enough bandwidth to spare. What I care about is that I can totally max out my cpu. I prefer to run tight latencies anyways.
10-21-2005, 11:15 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

yeah but I can run all 4 sticks mixed together fine in nf4 at 280mhz at 2.5-3-3-7-at 2t command. I can't see a bigg diff why they would have to match perfectly for ddr400@1t, but lets not get into that please. Get the board and try it out for yourself. Very fast board and so far not one crash very stable just needs some bios revisions like the 500 rev. the nf4 dfi got :).

thanks
Jason

The bios needs to be "friendly" to allow different spd's to work ok, this bios at the mo is not that friendly
10-21-2005, 11:22 AM
Vapor

Does it look like it will be friendly any time soon?

And is there a chance of it working when TCCD and 5B -D are used together?

....not that your answer is changing my decision, LOL
10-21-2005, 11:31 AM
Tony

I need to get a few points straight.

TCCD...we are struggling to get 300+
old EB micron runs just fine
BH5 runs just fine
4000EB runs just fine
etc etc

225fsb is not the limit of the board, i hit 270 first, then 300 later although the 300 is proving hard. I have run VX at 260+ and old BH5 at 260+

Its just this is a different animal, start a fresh and don't use what you know from the Nf4.
10-21-2005, 11:57 AM
Vapor

Good to know....thanks :up:

Does it not work well with TCCD or not work well above 300? Or is it too early to tell?
10-21-2005, 12:20 PM
Vapor

Gahh!!!!! Why can't Newegg be in stock!? GRRRRRRR!

Sorry, just venting. I want to order it really badly.
10-21-2005, 12:28 PM
Diverge

Good thing i hit the checkout button on my newegg cart before i went to sleep last night (to buy my DFI RDX200 CF-DR), i think i got the last one :p: i was hesitent on buying a pci-e card last night, so i removed that from the cart, but wound up ordering an saphire x1800xl-oem this morning. i can't wait for my stuff to get here to start playing (with my newly ordered DFI RDX200 CF-DR and x1800xl) :)

Edit: to clarify my post, since it wasn't just about videocards :p:
10-21-2005, 12:39 PM
cantankerous

please share your thoughts on the X1800XL in the 3D section of the forum. Thanks.
10-21-2005, 12:42 PM
s7e9h3n

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantankerous

please share your thoughts on the X1800XL in the 3D section of the forum. Thanks.

:ROTF:
10-21-2005, 01:19 PM
Brock911

I have a question that is a little off topic but i bought this mobo and this is my first computer i've ever built and i am slightly confused on all the connections. Does anybody have a link to a good website on how to set up a mobo for newbs? Thanks, i appreciate it. :)
10-21-2005, 01:50 PM
Vapor

Ummm...wow....interesting board to decide to make your first build from, even Tony is having teething issues with getting used to it (from the looks of it).

Anyway, there should be a manual (well, more like a poster) included with all the nitty-gritty details about the connectors ;)
10-21-2005, 02:58 PM
Brock911

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vapor

Ummm...wow....interesting board to decide to make your first build from, even Tony is having teething issues with getting used to it (from the looks of it).

Anyway, there should be a manual (well, more like a poster) included with all the nitty-gritty details about the connectors ;)

Haha, yeah i know. The stupid thing is like over a quarter inch thick! I was really hoping of an easy way out.... oh well... i guess i'll go crack open the Mobo Bible. :(
10-21-2005, 04:41 PM
Brock911

Ram Question

Ok, i know i'm a freaking moron but i have most of my system together now and i'm hooking up my X1800xl and my ram and i have a question about the ram. I bought some Mushkin Redline Dual Channel DDR400 and i don't know which two slots to put it in. I assume 1-3 or 2-4 but in the manual it says this:

"A DIMM SPD is original fixed at 1T. When modules are inserted in DIMM 1 and DIMM 3, the SPD must be 2T for better system stability. We reccomend inserting DIMMs into DIMM 2 and DIMM 4."

Ok so basically i'm asking what 1t and 2t is? And which slot configuration would give me the best performance. Thanks to all you who are geniuses. :toast:
10-21-2005, 07:17 PM
althes

Setting up board now
10-21-2005, 07:26 PM
althes

Man having issues already at 215
10-21-2005, 07:31 PM
althes

I have to admit so far the bios is not at all friendly if I change too many settings it wont boot, I am using tccd.
I have to run the tccd at 2.5/4/4/8
And this tccd does 300 at 2.5/4/3/5
10-21-2005, 07:41 PM
RyderOCZ

Set Drive strength to 7,8, or 9...DATA drive to 100% I think.
10-21-2005, 08:12 PM
althes

OK, doing some 05 benching now using x600xt.
So far so good.
Just using some 2.256 sticks to get going.
10-21-2005, 08:30 PM
althes

Ok quick recap so far.
Using dimm 1 and 3 no go on 2and 4.
Using gskill 2*256mb 4800LA
OCZ 520w
e3 3000+
maxtor 20g
regular cd drive
x600xt

Installation of windows went down without a problem.
I cant seem to tighten the timings on the memory.
(Board would not boot with bh5 seems the mem defaults to 2.6v not enough for bh5.)
Have to use 2.5/4/4/8/11/16
Board runs very fast at stock and currently benching 05 getting some real good scores.
not a single crash so far I have reached 240fsb so far running 1:1.
10-22-2005, 12:47 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

1t is the command rate
it means really if you want to run 4 sticks of ram you will have to use the 1+3 also so 2t command will be defualted.

So use slots 2+4. This can be fixed with a bios Im sure as it was on the dfi nf4 some bios's like 1+3 others 2+4 best :)

deff slots 2=4 1t command is alot faster going from 1t to 2t is like running your ram at 166mhz instead of 200mhz its that big a hit

THANKS
jASON

i thougt it had to do with the memory controller?
if you run 2 sticks in dual channel the memory controller is using a 128bit bus and pretty much addresses the memory as if it was one stick, if you use 2 sticks without running dual channel the memory controller is using a 64bit bus for two sticks, if you run dual channel with 4 sticks then its using a 64bit bus for each pair of sticks.

the way tony explained it to me command rate is pretty much the tolerance the chipset has for a reply from the memory. the lower the less tolerance there is and the faster the memory has to reply, with 1t the chipset sends a request and waits (one clockcycle?) for a reply, with 2t it waits another clockcycle for a reply from the memory. and it sends a second request if it didnt get a reply after the first clockcycle is over, but im not sure if i got that one right.
10-22-2005, 03:35 AM
Revv23

not to bash the anand review but dont you guys think it would be wise to mention that the 4x1t feature that they talk about the whole review doesnt work with bh-5?
10-22-2005, 03:35 AM
Vapor

IIRC, they mentioned it....

Micron works though, which is nice.
10-22-2005, 07:17 AM
blind_ripper

tis is whit samsung tccd chips just for cpu max to morow il do some 300+ ;)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=45000
10-22-2005, 07:49 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

Saaya im right ;)
your just confussiong people, hehe
2x512 /2x1024 ya want 1t so use 2-4slots
4x512 /4x1024 ya want 2t for stabilty so since your forced to use slots 1-3 also you should run at 2t command

and yes 2t make the cpu "WAIT" an extra cycle that cycle is like running
2x512 at ddr400 2t
vs
2x512 at ddr333 1t

its a big 'wait state'

thx for clearing that up :)
hmmm so is this 128bit 64bit channel thing wrong then?
do you know how the wait cycle is timed? is it always of the same length or does the cpu speed, memory speed or ht speed influence it?

about your cpu ocing worse, does it depend on the vcore?
i mean does it oc the same with 1.4v, slightly less with 1.5v and a lot less with 1.55v? do you have notes of how that cpu oced with les vcore so you could check that out?
10-22-2005, 07:59 AM
blind_ripper

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

2x256 at 3-4-4-7 "WOW THE COURAGE TO POST THAT" sarcasim
Im still having major problems when overclocking. Upgraded the chipset cooling to water cooling today "not that temps where high on chipset" also swapped out my venice 3000+ for a fx-53 Claw and tried my maxtor ata133 drive and its not helping me.

il try my utt bh-5 to , yes i know the timings are crappy ;)
10-22-2005, 09:54 AM
althes

Got some scores coming up in a couple hours.
10-22-2005, 11:12 AM
Tony

Use only orange slots with 2 dimms, yellow when you run 4 dimms. you have to set LDT manually, auto does NOT work like the NF4.

TRC is very agressive, set TRFC to 24. Drive strength at 4 5 6 7 8 all work but you have to play with read preamble and max aync. Im running 6 and 9 Rgone is rinning 5 and 8 so try these.

Jason, put TCCD in your board and run the settings I posted, if the board will not do 270+ then you may have to swap it, i have a feeling its just settings though.

PM me your email addy and I will mail a bios i tweaked, i can not share the beta bios files i have but this should get you at 270+ easy with good TCCD.
10-22-2005, 12:09 PM
althes

I noticed I have to run bh5 in slots 2 and 4 they willnot run in 1 and 3.
The tccd likes 1 and 3 but not 2 and 4.
I have hit a wall at 250 for benching, I can get to 270 for regular stuff but not benching.
10-22-2005, 01:26 PM
althes

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I have to say this board has really surprised me, their are obvious issues but it is a very strong in the benching category as it just allowed to take the trifecta using an x600xt.
I seem to have hit a wall at 250, dont know why but will work on tonite or tomorrow.
10-22-2005, 01:28 PM
althes

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Here are some more screenshots :p:
The funny thing is this was all done on air no vmods nothing, the chipset has promise, a better bios and major improvements will be made :cool:
10-22-2005, 01:29 PM
althes

I have only been using 2 dimms just to see how the board reacts will start using 4 dimms tomorrow.
It games very nicely also.
Aside from teh sata 2 an acceptable board, but for a first board it will be difficult.
10-22-2005, 01:59 PM
althes

Going to try that tonite will see how things go.
10-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Jort

I hope i can get mine up and running:(

jason i tried another psu but it didn't change the problem :)
10-22-2005, 05:51 PM
dinos22

i don't know whether this guy from Germany is a visitor here but his results are looking pretty damn good so far with a nice Opteron CPU and this mobo ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete_X(DFI-Street)

sure - here we go:

12x240
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4...stom4fj.th.jpg

12x250
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7...stom5al.th.jpg

More will come when ready ...
10-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Afterburner

Tony......any updates on DFI CF-BT and DFI's Grouper :)
10-22-2005, 11:04 PM
blind_ripper

MickeyMouse i have some nice screens running 250mhz 2-2-2-5 512X2 .
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90...pper/31sec.jpg
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=45181
now backt to run some more tests
cpu-z reads mij vcore wrong so here a screen withe vcore and stuf , i dont think my cpu temps are right but wen i feel the blok its cold ?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/blind_ripper/2.jpg
10-22-2005, 11:05 PM
Dumo

Heres after play with it for a while.....I;m happy that my Zippy 700W can power it up @ 3.6V Vdimm :)

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/6...shot0041pa.jpg

So, with the right bios setting it will fly with any AMD 64 core and utt/bh5 :)
Too bad we still have to wait for clockgen....Hurry up Frank :)
10-22-2005, 11:07 PM
Dumo

Somone can help with new bios? I really appreciated it, Thanks :)
10-23-2005, 12:16 AM
kyosen

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Now it goes over 3.7G

Here is my latest result of LN2 cooling :)

SuperPI/mod1.4 1M: 22.531s@3720MHz
SuperPI/mod1.4 8M: 4m07.000s@3703MHz
FX-57 0516WPMW(IHS removed), Vcore=1.795V
Winbond BH-5 UTT(?) 512MB x2, Vdimm=3.689V

owe to a nice copper container, KurinuiteMasu-Pro4,
many thanks to TAM :toast:

With ACPI Multi Processor PC setting,
-115deg(C) is safe, -120deg(C) is risky(=means freeze), in my case.
10-23-2005, 12:36 AM
blind_ripper

my cpu fly's on this bort , tis is not tweakt standart os
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90..._ripper/29.jpg :banana:
and some 3ghz on box cooler
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=45188
i love tis chip
10-23-2005, 01:31 AM
dinos22

looking good guys

anyone able to show some 340MHz+ HTT stable OCs
10-23-2005, 01:38 AM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumo

Heres after play with it for a while.....I;m happy that my Zippy 700W can power it up @ 3.6V Vdimm :)

So, with the right bios setting it will fly with any AMD 64 core and utt/bh5 :)
Too bad we still have to wait for clockgen....Hurry up Frank :)

up to 3.6V :confused: i thought this mobo goes up to 4v
10-23-2005, 02:05 AM
Hound

if the mobo goes up 2 4v, does this mean that you can up the 3.3v rail, and get volts over 4v?
10-23-2005, 02:14 AM
Dumo

Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

up to 3.6V :confused: i thought this mobo goes up to 4v

You can if the memory needs to run @ 4V :)

http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/466/mvc148f4lt.jpg
10-23-2005, 02:41 AM
dinos22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hound

if the mobo goes up 2 4v, does this mean that you can up the 3.3v rail, and get volts over 4v?

Hound no it actually runs off the 5v rail
10-23-2005, 06:10 AM
TheMeatFrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by MickeyMouse

I got a new bios from tony and will be flashing it tommorow and going to give it another go :)
Il update my results then :)

Any luck with the new bios?
10-23-2005, 07:32 AM
Qkjhfhaiguihfma

can someone do a direct compare with their nf4, i.e. your best with the nf4, and then your best with the rdx? i'd like to see what speed we need with this board and timings to catch a 640+ HTT nf4.

thanks guys
10-23-2005, 11:46 AM
Tony

Major points you need to be aware of

Guys

Both Robert(Rgone) and myself have come to the same conclusion with this motherboard.We based our decission on the following info.

I have been speaking to Oskar at length regards 300+fsb, he is trying his hardest to get the board clocking this high but we have decided it is just NOT WORTH IT

We have found the board to be a stella CPU overclocker, it clocks cpu's higher and usually with less vcore and less heat than the NF4.

So, forget about running DDR600, stick to BH5 or TCCD with 2.5-3-3- timings and push with a higher multiplier, we have a feeling you will get faster than you did with the older NF4.

Rgone has forwarded benches to me with a crappy venice he has NEVER been able to reproduce on other boards...280x10 or so with 2.5-3-3- but the beauty was the cpu was running less vcore, a higher multi and a higher final clock speed...all prime stable.

So, after beating on this board we gave up with 300+fsb as being honest this board does not need it, enjoy a higher CPU clock and just tweak the memory in just below it.

Tony
10-23-2005, 12:00 PM
calcal

does the ati or nvidia board perform better clock for clock?
10-23-2005, 12:06 PM
situman

there seems to be some issues, two people had it. Might be powersupply related.http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=77607

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