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Hmm...
RV670 = 55 GT (Overclocks relatively well, right?)
RV770 = 55 GP (TSMC Vanilla Performance process, doesn't seem to OC that far compared to 670 speeds)
GT200b = 55 GT (More expansive than GP, but supposedly better characteristics)
RV790 is likely 55GT.
TSMC 40nm be Damned
We should be having Rv740 by now :(
No one has been able to scale well once they get into the upper range.
The radeons 4xxx are already highly clocked. I would not expect a 20 percent increase in performance.
I can imagine if driver performance can be brought up, I can see 20% increase in April. But since this driver improvement is extendable to the 4870. It makes the 4890 a totally unneeded product. Especially since it sounds like it will be sold for 20 percent more money. I doubt these will come with 1gb of ddr5 ram at the predict price.
Off topic but..... putting signs like banana's where the letters are for a curse is still swearing(which is far more offensive than anything in OBR post) and far more snarky. If its directed at anyone, this is still a personal attack.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...__Sources.html - it is same rv770 with higher clocks :down:
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Originally Posted by russian boy
That settles it, GT212 for me then. :)
Xbit also thought that RV770 had 480SPs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d..._Products.html
Generally I would not trust anyone besides 1) CJ from Beyond3D, 2)nApoleon from Chiphell.
Digitimes thinks both RV740 and RV790 are 40nm parts... :
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TSMC sees weak 40nm orders
Latest news
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Wednesday 18 February 2009]
Despite the successful ramp of the 40nm node, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) has secured fewer orders from AMD and Nvidia than originally expected, according to market sources.
Compared to initial orders placed by the two graphics chipmakers for every new process generation in the past, orders for the 40nm segment have been scaled down by 30-40%.
AMD and Nvidia have both adopted a cautious approach to upcoming 40nm graphics chips due to economic uncertainties.
AMD's 40nm mid-range RV740 and high-end RV790 GPUs will both be launched in April this year, while Nvidia will launch its first 40nm GPU, GT212 in the second quarter of 2009.
AMD and Nvidia both declined the opportunity to respond to this report saying they cannot comment on unannounced products.
Digitimes is likely VERY wrong. RV740 is supposed to be the 40nm test, and 790 a conservative refresh.
I have not heard of ANY news regarding GT212 tapeout. It's a phantom chip as far as NOW is concerned. You don't NOT tape out a chip last year and "prepare to launch it" in Q2 2009, especially when it's your first 40nm chip, and it's still supposed to be big.
Yep good points there. All the chances are that RV790 is 55nm refresh and RV740 is 40nm ,like you said. As for NV part,who knows,Nv is one weird company :),but yeah Q2 2009 for GT212 is a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
I remember Digitimes claiming yorkfield is "native"(monolithic) QC part back in the day ,we know how that turned out :p:
i'd add w00mbat to the list ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
You're insulting quite a large bunch of people with that statement, I'd be more carefull with what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
If it turns out the RV790 is not just a higher-clocked RV770, you'll assume you're a fool yourself?
I'm just getting that "nvidia dominance" feeling, that's all.
Cant believe that ATI can just "rename" GPU as Nvidia does
I suppose they should delay, spend millions of dollars to design an entirely new architecture and chip just to appease those of you who are so against re-branding?Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Realistically.. do you guys think that could ever be profitable? Do you expect that of car manufacturers? That they design the entire car from the ground up once a year? :rofl:
Why not? It wouldnt be the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Well the name's fine if it offers some 10% speedboost, NV usually don't even meet that and still keeps rebranding a card twice. :D
Doing "as nVidia does" would be for ATI to change the HD4870 to HD5870, without any hardware changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverDozeD
Atleast nVidia didnt remove performance doing renaming. Like on 1900GTv1 v2, 1950GT :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTTenTranz
What a fanboy. if you donīt have nothing to say about the topic dont click on submit button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
What..now im an nVidia fanboy? Sorry I cant keep up with your flipflopping :DQuote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Also you should start with the source if you wish to censor. Your own post aint helping either.
You just sound dissapointed since its just a tweaked core.
8800GS -> 9600GSO -> 9600GSO no balls editionQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
And you are talking as it was the most certain truth in the World. Geez :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Dont be surprised that in the end you get trashed because those comments. Like Nvidia Dominance.
Don't be so gullible, they were wrong in the past and probably are again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
That's why it is still 48xx series.Quote:
Originally Posted by russian boy
If they had just increased the clocks and called it a 5870, THAT would be renaming. They do not gain any new customers by renaming it to 4890. Only those people who want the burning edge of high end GPUs will upgrade from existing 4870s.
ATI is trying to fend off the 285 and 295s with this release (and future higher clocked releases) in an effort to stall till R8xx arrives. This has been done many times before by ATI, is constantly done in the lower end, and is nothing new. If the price is right, people will buy it. (Note, I said price and not "price and performance" because there's no way this can beat a 285 unless we're missing something, but it will make it end up faster in applications where the 4870 was almost as fast as the 285)
Perkam
Totally agree! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam