NVIDIA GTX295 Preview/Review

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12-18-2008, 11:00 AM
eric66

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Originally Posted by GAR

Too late? Ati wont have anything till Q2 2009, its not late at all. Nvidia is in good position right now, with the GTX 285 and new GTX 260 coming out, they should be in good shape.

there is no new gtx 260
12-18-2008, 12:07 PM
VOID WARRANTY

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Originally Posted by eric66

there is no new gtx 260

thats weird because a 55nm revision seems kinda of new...not to mention nvidia is going to let manufacturers make there own designs for the cards like new heat sinks and pcb colours and zotac is rumored to make a 1.5gb version of the 260..i also heard that nvidia is dropping the 192sp version and 216sp,s will be standard...i guess were see what happens next month
12-18-2008, 12:10 PM
dan7777

not sure its worth step up from bfg gtx260-216 and paying £200 for extra 10-15fps in games like crysis warhead hmmmm will hold out see what other cards they bring out.
12-18-2008, 12:32 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

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Originally Posted by dan7777

not sure its worth step up from bfg gtx260-216 and paying £200 for extra 10-15fps in games like crysis warhead hmmmm will hold out see what other cards they bring out.

I think a lot of people are wondering the same thing. The core 216 was a buying point for many people. Step up was also a big consideration since many have that option now. Question is, is it worth it?

I think this is kinda bogus how the GTX295 reviews are out, but gtx285 reviews and 265 (if it exists) is not out. I was hoping to step-up, but not till I have the info.

Dan7777, I'm in the same boat. I do not see a point steping up AND spending 150+ USD on a new card for a 10% gain. If these cards are not 25% better than the ones we have now, I don't know if I could justify it.
12-18-2008, 12:46 PM
gojirasan

Until we see microstuttering tests, all these comparisons are useless. How many of you guys are liking the taste of crow now that Nvidia is releasing a dual GPU card WAY before spring/summer 09?
12-18-2008, 12:58 PM
kadozer

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Originally Posted by gojirasan

Until we see microstuttering tests, all these comparisons are useless. How many of you guys are liking the taste of crow now that Nvidia is releasing a dual GPU card WAY before spring/summer 09?

Enjoying my crow here but dear god why does Nvidia insist on crippling their memory? Seems rushed ...GX2 part Deux electric boogaloo. :rofl:
12-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Solus Corvus

Looks like the new fastest card. It's not a terribly compelling upgrade for me though considering all the new stuff right around the corner.

Also, Nvidia should have taken FO3 off their list.
12-18-2008, 01:09 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Looks like the new fastest card. It's not a terribly compelling upgrade for me though considering all the new stuff right around the corner.

Also, Nvidia should have taken FO3 off their list.

:ROTF::clap: so it is new fastest card in certain games :D
12-18-2008, 01:12 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by eric66

:ROTF::clap: so it is new fastest card in certain games :D

Don't be foolish. That's how it always is. The 4870x2 was the fastest in only in certain games too, it was a big list though. There are always going to be exceptions to any architecture's reign.
12-18-2008, 01:17 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

Where is the ****ing GTX285 reviews? Stats even? This is getting ridiculous.
12-18-2008, 01:20 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Don't be foolish. That's how it always is. The 4870x2 was the fastest in only in certain games too, it was a big list though. There are always going to be exceptions to any architecture's reign.

and how many games we saw in previews to make it fastest card in the world ? lets see : dead space far cry crysis fall out left 4 dead thats it ? and lets look at in game benchs :

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

lost in 2 won in one
12-18-2008, 01:23 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller

Where is the ****ing GTX285 reviews? Stats even? This is getting ridiculous.

IMO, the only reason nV even allowed the GTX295 previews was to stunt some of the 4870x2's christmas sales. Since the GTX285 isn't faster then the x2 there would be no point in releasing early info on that.
12-18-2008, 01:24 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by eric66

and how many games we saw in previews to make it fastest card in the world ? lets see : dead space far cry crysis fall out left 4 dead thats it ? and lets look at in game benchs :

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

lost in 2 won in one

Yes, lets.

Their charts show the minimum framerates for both cards dipping below 10 on a number of occasions yet their results at the bottom of each chart show MUCH more than that. :shrug:
12-18-2008, 01:26 PM
mascaras

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Originally Posted by eric66

there is no new gtx 260

Expreview said there will be a new GTX260 55nm from Zotac

http://en.expreview.com/2008/12/05/f...html#more-1550

regards
12-18-2008, 01:41 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Yes, lets.

Their charts show the minimum framerates for both cards dipping below 10 on a number of occasions yet their results at the bottom of each chart show MUCH more than that. :shrug:

their charts are broken from what i understand look at numbers below (if thats true gtx295 dips to 2 fps :D )
12-18-2008, 01:48 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by eric66

their charts are broken from what i understand look at numbers below (if thats true gtx295 dips to 2 fps :D )

At least I wasn't imagining things...
12-18-2008, 02:18 PM
mrcape

WHen is this out retail?
12-18-2008, 02:27 PM
dan7777

8th jan i think....
12-18-2008, 02:32 PM
villa1n

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Originally Posted by Solus Corvus

Don't be foolish. That's how it always is. The 4870x2 was the fastest in only in certain games too, it was a big list though. There are always going to be exceptions to any architecture's reign.

Truth.
And Fallout 3, Cod:WaW, FarCry2, L4D, are all very heavily played by most gamers, especially fps enthusiasts. And dead space is relevant, and its always fun to see what cards score on Crysis, so I m not sure that the choices for the preview were that irrelevant.. these are all popular titles, vs things like call of juarez etc that were always i felt a little obscure.
12-18-2008, 02:36 PM
Tonucci

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Yes, lets.

Their charts show the minimum framerates for both cards dipping below 10 on a number of occasions yet their results at the bottom of each chart show MUCH more than that. :shrug:

I noticed that in some other [H] reviews....from the top of my head i think i read somewhere that they use some kind of average-minimum numbers... :shrug:

Or maybe they do not compute saving points during the tests ? :confused:
12-18-2008, 02:44 PM
eric66

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Originally Posted by villa1n

Truth.
And Fallout 3, Cod:WaW, FarCry2, L4D, are all very heavily played by most gamers, especially fps enthusiasts. And dead space is relevant, and its always fun to see what cards score on Crysis, so I m not sure that the choices for the preview were that irrelevant.. these are all popular titles, vs things like call of juarez etc that were always i felt a little obscure.

there are all fps games except fallout which is semi fps so all gamers are fps gamers :shrug:
12-18-2008, 02:48 PM
Kaldor

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyAlpha

Not specifically referring to the cards in question but more in a general sense here: More important than the 100 - 105 margin you talk of is minimum and average framerates.

There has been many comparisions between cards over the years where somebody will argue that due to a card having higher average or maximum framerates, it is automatically the better option. It's simply not the case and minimum framerates are really the crucial factor.

If you could run crysis at say 100fps most of the time but hit dips of 10fps every now and then or alternatively have 30fps all the time, 30fps would be the better 'perceived' framerate, due to its stability.

What I'm getting at here is more powerful cards do have a purpose that goes beyond trying to obtain uber-pointless 100+ framerates but rather they allow a high level of detail (including AF + AA) at a good res, with consistently stable minimal framerates :up:

I know average and lowest framerate with lots of AF and AA are where its at. A better comparison would be to look at these cards on a 22-24" monitor. At that point it really doesnt matter as they will both pretty much max out a 1920x1200 res LCD anyway. A very small portion of people are running a 30" monitor.
12-18-2008, 02:53 PM
ahmad

So how much are two gtx280s?

Lets see how it compares to 4850x2 in crossfire. With the same drivers and few other games (grid?) ;)
12-18-2008, 03:05 PM
Solus Corvus

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Originally Posted by eric66

there are all fps games except fallout which is semi fps so all gamers are fps gamers :shrug:

Dead space isn't first person.

Out of those games I am playing L4D, Dead Space, and FO3 regularly. Yes, it does annoy me that ATI can't deliver proper dead space performance. But after seeing the performance of the GTX295 I won't be losing any sleep over sticking with my x2.

To me it looks like current x2 owners shouldn't bother with the GTX295. But those looking for a new card out of the current lineup should seriously consider a GTX295 over the x2. For me though, the economical choice would be a water block and soldering iron for vmods. :cool:

No need to sugar coat anything, reality is sweet enough already.
12-18-2008, 03:08 PM
gamervivek

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Originally Posted by Tonucci

I noticed that in some other [H] reviews....from the top of my head i think i read somewhere that they use some kind of average-minimum numbers... :shrug:

Or maybe they do not compute saving points during the tests ? :confused:

save points,there are simply too many of them in crysis games.:shakes:

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