AMD Shows Deneb (Phenom II) pictures of 6.2GHz CPUz etc

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Originally Posted by Bergundy

Heheheh, you put a smile on my face. You don't see these same people questioning "Dr"Who. In fact the thread where respected members started to ask tough questions got closed down temporarily. Too hot for drWho!!!!!!

For all we know that partial screenshot was of a Sempron :shrug:

And when DrWho was called out he tried to turn it around by saying his point is to show that all manufacturer demos are worthless!!!! He should run for president of France with these political skills. Watch out Sarkozy!!!!!

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Francois for President!!!

I am DrWho?, and I approve this message. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Francois for President!!!

I am DrWho?, and I approve this message. :rofl:

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Does Intel know that you're posting here, and do they approve? I know that they do not for general engineers, but as Marketing you might be an exception.

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Shadowmage

Does Intel know that you're posting here, and do they approve?

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I think you have the wrong idea of Intel ... we have full freedom to post what ever we want , as long as we do not break our NDA with Intel.
This is not the big brother you imagine ... Get use to it, we have our 1st Amendement right, or the 11th of the French constituion right ...

and for this post ... just over ... I think it is pretty fair to make fun of somebody talking about me in such flatering words, isn't it? Or many be because I work for intel, i should lose my basic human rights?

Thanks :)

Francois for President!

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Francois for President!!!

I am DrWho?, and I approve this message. :rofl:

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You might get Carla, women are attracted to powerful men. Or show her a Nehalem OC to 6GHz. "Oui, oui ma cherie, mais bien sur que mon overclock est le meilleur!"

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Originally Posted by Bergundy

You might get Carla, women are attracted to powerful men. Or show her a Nehalem OC to 6GHz. "Oui, oui ma cherie, mais bien sur que mon overclock est le meilleur!"

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Well, I think I already got as good as Carla ;) :up:
I really wish we could get ride of the "fake war", we are all the same, Intel or AMD, we are both guys loving computers, and technology.:shrug:

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Well, I think I already got as good as Carla ;) :up:
I really wish we could get ride of the "fake war", we are all the same, Intel or AMD, we are both guys loving computers, and technology.:shrug:

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You know how men's brains work, they need rivalry. Could Sarkozy leave Carla for Segolene? Jamais!

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Originally Posted by Bergundy

You know how men's brains work, they need rivalry. Could Sarkozy leave Carla for Segolene? Jamais!

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Well, French 1st Lady looks good , no?

I leave you alone guys, have fun!

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Well, French 1st Lady looks good , no?

I leave you alone guys, have fun!

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Bonne nuit!

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

we are all the same, Intel or AMD, we are both guys loving computers, and technology.:shrug:

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:up:
What makes a rival push harder, faster ... competition.
This is evident from your recent overclocking fun.

I'm quite a fan of Racing and it doesnt matter if im 10 seconds faster or slower aslong as there is healthy competition for my race.

I think he term fanboys needs to be changed or expanded to somthing like hooligan.
Just like real football supporters have been blighteed by mindless violence from a small minority, we see the same mindlessness in lots of things when there is rivalry & support between two groups.

Back on topic:
Im glad AMD seem to be getting control of the ball again. Lets just hope the stadium stays in one peice. (world economy)
Since the first teaser of the 4.0ghz screen shots that appeared mid year, its been a long wait. Those that still think this is all hype or "fud" really need to look at the history of K8-10.5 and Fab proccess/OC potentials to realise this logical progression and not some fantasy by AMD enthusiasts.

Hopefully a match against Penryn, we need to see some good competition.

Its fair game to drop cores to reach max speed for screen shot, Ive done that since the first dual cores. Might be why they cut off the image.

Francois, just dont get sucked into a fight every time someone takes some cheap shots.

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

Well, I think I already got as good as Carla ;) :up:
I really wish we could get ride of the "fake war", we are all the same, Intel or AMD, we are both guys loving computers, and technology.:shrug:

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with the olympic spirit in mind right?

AMD event:
1 out of 3 (or 30) cpu's is chosen and overclocked (with not the best container available)

Intel "Event":
Lets cherrypick a cpu out of 100.000 so that we can beat AMD in the MHz competition, let's go to vegas, let's disable 3 physical cores....

I really smell the olympic spirit here

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Originally Posted by Tiridum

with the olympic spirit in mind right?

AMD event:
1 out of 3 (or 30) cpu's is chosen and overclocked (with not the best container available)

Intel "Event":
Lets cherrypick a cpu out of 100.000 so that we can beat AMD in the MHz competition, let's go to vegas, let's disable 3 physical cores....

I really smell the olympic spirit here

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Get real, Do you really think that AMD did not cherry pick, Who said they did not? AMD? Did they just pick 30 random cpus from the fab? All questions will be answered only when the cpus launch and we go into the AMD section and see what the ordinary punters are getting. Speculating here is just that, Speculating.

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Originally Posted by gallag

Get real, Do you really think that AMD did not cherry pick, Who said they did not? AMD? Did they just pick 30 random cpus from the fab? All questions will be answered only when the cpus launch and we go into the AMD section and see what the ordinary punters are getting. Speculating here is just that, Speculating.

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what we do know is that AMD didn't disable 3 cores :)

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Originally Posted by Tiridum

what we do know is that AMD didn't disable 3 cores :)

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How do we know that? Let me remind you that AMD has been lying its ass off for the last two years, In fairness the last time they seemed bullish they hit the nail on the head, The hd4850 in my rig is testament to that, so they have a bit more credibility imho but everyone has to admit there has been some whoppers told this last two years and to just flat out believe that the 30 cpus they brought to a marketing event had no kind of selective binning is naive at best. Just for the record I would not believe any Intel marketing comment like this ether.

I am just speculating and could be wrong so lets come back to this thread when p2 is launched and feast on humble pie or show how magnanimous we can be:)

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Originally Posted by gallag

How do we know that? Let me remind you that AMD has been lying its ass off for the last two years, In fairness the last time they seemed bullish they hit the nail on the head, The hd4850 in my rig is testament to that, so they have a bit more credibility imho but everyone has to admit there has been some whoppers told this last two years and to just flat out believe that the 30 cpus they brought to a marketing event had no kind of selective binning is naive at best. Just for the record I would not believe any Intel marketing comment like this ether.

I am just speculating and could be wrong so lets come back to this thread when p2 is launched and feast on humble pie or show how magnanimous we can be:)

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We know, because the most respected tech journalist were there?

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Originally Posted by Stukov

We know, because the most respected tech journalist were there?

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..also because people from here, XtremeSystems Forums were there and have reported back. ;)

New event tomorrow.

CPU got handpicked! End of discussion :D
Everyone will soon see what we can do at home with them.

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Originally Posted by AbelJemka

CPU got handpicked! End of discussion :D
Everyone will soon see what we can do at home with them.

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As Fugger said earlier, all CPUs will be hand picked. Even those ones when you get at home. Unless you plan on having a robot taking it out and putting it on the socket...

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Originally Posted by gallag

How do we know that? Let me remind you that AMD has been lying its ass off for the last two years, In fairness the last time they seemed bullish they hit the nail on the head, The hd4850 in my rig is testament to that, so they have a bit more credibility imho but everyone has to admit there has been some whoppers told this last two years and to just flat out believe that the 30 cpus they brought to a marketing event had no kind of selective binning is naive at best. Just for the record I would not believe any Intel marketing comment like this ether.

I am just speculating and could be wrong so lets come back to this thread when p2 is launched and feast on humble pie or show how magnanimous we can be:)

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Lying its ass off? Im sorry, but the only real thing to be pissed about is that they were all hyped up about K10 before the launch while it didnt really do the things they said it would do, although they didnt really say it would do those things.

But for the rest... Where are the lies, they called loads of B2's back and made this public right away, they got a new chipset for Phenom to clock better, had to waste 6 months to fix TLB and delay 45nm/Deneb. No, serious, I can only think of one sort of lie out there, that's it.

About the handpicking of those 30 CPU's, they might have been handpicked as well but somehow it doesnt make a lot of sense to me:rolleyes:

I don't think AMD would want ANYTHING at all to hinder it's delivery and sales of PII. That's why I also speculate that they wouldn't demo super cherried chips because they simply don't have the luxury of letting anyone down. They mentioned that 4GHz will be the average overclock of a 940 (give or take a couple of MHz), I don't see any reason at all for them to be exaggerating this figure, they're simply not in a position to do so. And after hearing of the 6.2GHz LN2 demo at San Fransico the other day, along with the LN2 demo in Austin, Texas I think AMD's really trying to show that they've got something good.

I'm glad that there's lots of talk of AMD lately, regardless of whether it's rubbish or serious discussion. I've just gotten sick of hearing Intel so often on every PC forum. Hope Deneb is good enough to bring AMD back into the PC community... at an affordable price :up:

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Originally Posted by Frontl1ne

I don't think AMD would want ANYTHING at all to hinder it's delivery and sales of PII. That's why I also speculate that they wouldn't demo super cherried chips because they simply don't have the luxury of letting anyone down. They mentioned that 4GHz will be the average overclock of a 940 (give or take a couple of MHz), I don't see any reason at all for them to be exaggerating this figure, they're simply not in a position to do so. And after hearing of the 6.2GHz LN2 demo at San Fransico the other day, along with the LN2 demo in Austin, Texas I think AMD's really trying to show that they've got something good.

I'm glad that there's lots of talk of AMD lately, regardless of whether it's rubbish or serious discussion. I've just gotten sick of hearing Intel so often on every PC forum. Hope Deneb is good enough to bring AMD back into the PC community... at an affordable price :up:

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Sure but it can backfire on them. Most folks aren't as forgiving as some folks here. Gallag is right and isn't it kind of heroic how some folk act as personal PR puppets for AMD?

AMD lied about AM2. AMD lied about when they'd have 65nm ready, how it would perform and continued to after lied were exposed. AMD lied about Quadfather 4X4, AMD lied about Native Quad Core, Barcelona/Phenom and when they'd ship 45nm. Even fans here said AMD was only a couple of months behind Intel in shipping 45nm LOL!

Though some folks love them and are ready to believe anything they say, please don't get pee-oode at folks who don't believe or even doubts them.

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Sure but it can backfire on them. Most folks aren't as forgiving as some folks here. Gallag is right and isn't it kind of heroic how some folk act as personal PR puppets for AMD?

AMD lied about AM2. AMD lied about when they'd have 65nm ready, how it would perform and continued to after lied were exposed. AMD lied about Quadfather 4X4, AMD lied about Native Quad Core, Barcelona/Phenom and when they'd ship 45nm. Even fans here said AMD was only a couple of months behind Intel in shipping 45nm LOL!

Though some folks love them and are ready to believe anything they say, please don't get pee-oode at folks who don't believe or even doubts them.

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lol, are you listening to yourself :cool::confused::rolleyes:

Guess what, take the 10Ghz Pentium 4 for your personal computer and keep tread clean. We are talking about:
Deneb (Phenom II) pictures of 6.2GHz CPUz

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Sure but it can backfire on them. Most folks aren't as forgiving as some folks here. Gallag is right and isn't it kind of heroic how some folk act as personal PR puppets for AMD?

AMD lied about AM2. AMD lied about when they'd have 65nm ready, how it would perform and continued to after lied were exposed. AMD lied about Quadfather 4X4, AMD lied about Native Quad Core, Barcelona/Phenom and when they'd ship 45nm. Even fans here said AMD was only a couple of months behind Intel in shipping 45nm LOL!

Though some folks love them and are ready to believe anything they say, please don't get pee-oode at folks who don't believe or even doubts them.

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They hand pick, so what? :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

i understand it that way: they tested all 30 and took the three best....

Also im with that what Leeghoofd said, we dont know if that 30 cpus where retail or what ever else, so maybe they where already preselected.

But to be honest i don't care anymore for that event, i want to see results from users around here. :up:

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Originally Posted by gallag

Get real, Do you really think that AMD did not cherry pick, Who said they did not? AMD? Did they just pick 30 random cpus from the fab? All questions will be answered only when the cpus launch and we go into the AMD section and see what the ordinary punters are getting. Speculating here is just that, Speculating.

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Just for the two of you, this is from the XS member bldegle2,a man who attended the AMD event,so he is the most credible source we can get at the moment:

[responding to Frontl1ne's question about handpicking and the process of selection of CPus]

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Originally Posted by bldegle2

"Frontl1ne"

LN2 runs are hard enough on components and the warmup time needed to swap the CPU after a run makes doing 30 separate runs a real pain in the arze....

So I will explain again, they had a bag of 30 processors that had passed the intitial testing at the factory after pouring, cutting, pinning and lidding the raw product, then they picked three ONLY at random from that bag, ran tests on those three alone, and used the best one.......

Laterzzzz...................

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So that Hornet331's theory falls apart after this post of bldegle2.It's simply impractical to do what Hornet331 claims and bldegle2 explained it well in his post.

Then he talks about the event,summarizing it:

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Originally Posted by bldegle2

"Were sure not getting much info from last nights event. Come on guys give us more........Please...."

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?????????????????? 6.2 on LN2 (1,9v), 4.4 on phase (somewhere close to stock v), 4 gig on air at near stock volts again, DDR2/DDR3 side by side comparison (virtually equal) so you don't have to run out and get a very expensive DDR3 MB, and DDR3....all units at the event were running 4 gig or better.....WPrime run 32bit 6.33 seconds, if that is not enough information to cover most of the bases then.....................

if you want more info's, attend the Chicago or New York event personally......I went to verify what I had heard and have a chance at some product and meet several playa's from AMD.....all of which I accomplished.....

I was actually on the verge of switching over to Intel, but Friday's event put a stopper in that thought, at least for now....

laterzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............

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And last but not least,his post from cpu-central(for which he gave a permission to post around :) ). This will mean a LOT to extreme OCers,since it speaks about virtually no coldbug whatsoever for the Deneb gen. of chips(brace yourself: -269C,liquid Helium!!!):

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Subject: Re: Also
Name: b
Date: 12/6/2008 5:16:09 PM (GMT+1)
IP Address: 76.21.49.190
In Reply to: Nicee posted by MS
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no cold bugs....

and they are experiementing with liquid Helium @-269*c, a little harder delivery since it atomizes almost instantly when exposed to air, so it is delivered via a tube inserted into the liquid Helium and just the injection of the tube tickles the Helium to coarse up and out the tube into the container....

i didn't ask, but i assume the Helium runs made everyones voice change and octave or three that got close to the evaporating Helium gases, sounds like a laughable situation.....still no significant cold bug noted....mind you, MB components can do weird things when chilled just by proximity.

last night the MB went down early on, so they put fans on the LN2 container and surrounding MB close to the ziff and she came back to life for the latter LN2 runs....

b

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More about the event here.
Thanks bldegle2 for the valuable information :up: .

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Originally Posted by informal

This will mean a LOT to extreme OCers,since it speaks about virtually no coldbug whatsoever for the Deneb gen. of chips(brace yourself: -269C,liquid Helium!!!):

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No CPU will work at -269C. The kinetic energy needed to switch the transistors would instantly brake them and destroy it forever. Remember a rose in LN2 etc? Its not really flexible anymore is it? Plus its close to the point where atoms dont even move.

So no need to brace ourselves for anything.