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08-30-2004, 08:10 AM
aldamon

Quote:

Originally posted by Kinsy
10-20%? Bull :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: mate, not with modern processors.

Honestly, I don't really care if you believe me or not :) It's been verified countless times by other sites. Here's the latest:

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2004q3...o/index.x?pg=1

I've also verified it myself. My Shuttle nForce2 board had onboard sound, so I sold my soundcard, and the NIC and firewire card because they were built in. I thought the setup was OK until I figured out how much of the CPU it was using, especially in EAX. I immediately bought an OEM Audigy 2 for $50. If you intend to use DFI's onboard sound over an Audigy card, you'll be throwing away the very performance gained by overclocking.

The only exception to this rule was the true MCP-T Soundstorm, which hardly used the CPU at all with excellent sound quality. Unfortunately, there is no Soundstorm on the nForce3 line.

Anyway, I think it would be wise to use an Audigy 2 if you have it. Mine works great with Doom 3. No problems whatsoever. Sounds awesome on my Z-680s.
08-30-2004, 08:28 AM
ugp

Well I am not sure what is going on with it then...me and my friend have the same exact problem with it, ill post more on it later
08-30-2004, 11:07 AM
Kinsy

It cleared up later in the game for me.
08-30-2004, 11:41 AM
__TRONIK__

Quote:

Originally posted by aldamon
Why would you do that? Onboard audio can result in a 10% - 20% performance hit in games. If you already have an Audigy ZS, it seems silly to throw away the performance.

where do you get that from? if that was the case, people would be turning off their onboard as a matter of course. And the benchie community would make a good sound card their #1 recommendation.

nah, I call shenanigans, or at least urban legend

*edit* I read that article, and results taken form one game, still in beta, mind you, from one source, and not a well known one at that, still does not convince me. I know for the best benching runs you turn off LAN, USB, basically whatever you can afford to turn off. But 10-20% in real world use is just an exaggeration. maybe a frame here and there, maybe more if you jack the audio quality. but most poele prefer to ratchet up the grpahics, and not the audio effects.
08-30-2004, 12:24 PM
ugp

Ok after this post no more about audio problems...lets make a new thread on it somewhere where it is suppose to be...

Now when you run EAX it slows your system down of course taking more CPU power to run it...I am not sure though on it.. I am not saying anyone one person is right I myself just don't know. Tell you all what I will do...I ll bench Doom 3 with onboard and with the SB card. And I will let you know but I have to wait until the DFI arrives...now get back on track with the thread subject please! lol
08-30-2004, 12:32 PM
__TRONIK__

agreed...though I am interested in the results....I wouls like to balance them wuth some legacy games like unreal or call of duty, not jsut the latest greatest system resource hogs. since there have been few patches for either game, inefficiencies are bound to have an effect, as are the relevant audio settings. Defult audio would give the best indication, I have no doubts that teh highest settings make you take a hit in FPS
08-30-2004, 01:54 PM
ugp

Alright....what I will do is do a test on these games...running default settings on the video and audio that the game supplies and the balanced setting on the video card itself...UT2K3 and Doom 3. And we shall see the difference. Well I'll do it if I can get around to it...lol
08-30-2004, 02:32 PM
aldamon

Part of the reason for buying this DFI board in this thread is for overclocking. Overclocking is often a game of percentage-point increases, so why throw away that precious performance by having the CPU run the sound? Also, the onboard audio on my last board introduced lots of noise and interference when overclocked. My Audigy 2 doesn't exhibit these effects.

Quote:

Originally posted by ugp
Alright....what I will do is do a test on these games...running default settings on the video and audio that the game supplies and the balanced setting on the video card itself...UT2K3 and Doom 3. And we shall see the difference. Well I'll do it if I can get around to it...lol

You will, except in Doom 3. I believe Doom 3 processes all sound on the CPU. Other games don't work like that. Like I said, the link I posted was simply the latest article I saw written on the subject. Obviously, the audio has to come from somewhere if your CPU processes it. A 10% - 20%, or higher, hit is pretty common. RightMark Audio Analyzer is an excellent tool for testing these CPU utilization:

Rightmark Audio Analyzer

Here are some screenshots I took last fall after I realized what onboard audio did to my performance. Feel free to download the latest version of Rightmark and check out the results on your own. I'm certainly not going to turn on my onboard audio and test it again when I have the Audigy 2 installed. Been there, done that so to speak.

Realtek AC'97 onboard audio performance:

http://www.damontech.net/aldamonrightmark2.jpg

Audigy2 performance:

http://www.damontech.net/aldamonrightmark3.jpg

If you can live with onboard audio on the DFI, then all the power to you :)
08-30-2004, 02:35 PM
guinche

when is the DFI finally coming out?? my AMD 64 3200+ is waiting ....:D
08-30-2004, 03:01 PM
ugp

F*ck that then...I am using my SB!
08-30-2004, 05:51 PM
GreyBeard

Quote:

Originally posted by guinche
when is the DFI finally coming out?? my AMD 64 3200+ is waiting ....:D

Ever so soon! Less than 3 days now! :)
08-30-2004, 06:14 PM
ugp

Well monday is a holiday so that is another day mine will be delayed...it would have been pointless for my to do 2 day shipping when it will be here tuesday regardless because I am in Florida. If not tuesday I believe it will be wednesday I will have it. So until then I sit here and wait for it...
08-30-2004, 07:31 PM
blinky

Quote:

Originally posted by aldamon
[B]snip

benches have no sound
08-30-2004, 07:41 PM
__TRONIK__

3dmark03 does. so do many game specific benches.

you are thinking of 3dmark01 I think.

last thought on the subject from me.....
it is true that people use the major benches (01/03) with no sound - in 03 most run only the game tests. So the audio is moot in those. and in actual gaming, most of us have waaay more frames than are acutally needed to be completely smooth.
I could turn my res down to 640x480 and get tons more frames - I could turn the audio completely off, and all the textures down. But you make some allowances to play the darn game, like taking the hit of AA and AF. maybe an expensive creative card can offset teh audio hit, if there really is one, but so might the same $ appilied to another go fast goodie, one that is probably more fun to mess with than a sound card. I've had one, I never noticed any better sound quality, and I have been a Dj for a few years.
Okay, back on topic for me. Though this IS an interesting one, at least moreso than that ram sidetrack whose answers were pretty concrete already.
08-31-2004, 02:55 AM
aldamon

Quote:

Originally posted by __TRONIK__

last thought on the subject from me.....

For sure, if 3DMark and "benches" are all a person will use with this DFI board, then I can see why the onboard audio would be appealing :) I was more concerned for Ugp who actually has an Audigy 2 and was thinking about using the onboard audio instead. That didn't seem like a wise decision to me. I think your points are valid for a regular user who doesn't already have an Audigy or Audigy 2 laying around. If the onboard audio is good quality, and they don't mind the hit, then why not use it I guess? It's free, money-wise. The framerate will be plenty high with an Athlon 64. However, I don't think many people pre-ordering the DFI based on its overclocking performance and voltage options are going to write off a performance hit that can be addressed by a $25 Audigy 1 or a $50 Audigy 2 OEM.
08-31-2004, 03:01 AM
ugp

Ok, ok, I am going to continue to use my Audigy...my next thing I am getting is a god damn Liquid Cooling system....anyone know one...I posted a thread in the "Liquid Cooling" section. Please reply and help me out I am sick of heat.
08-31-2004, 03:27 AM
Ubermann

Plz i want info on the DFI board and stuff related to it.
Not anything else.
So make new threads for questions about other stuff.
Ok ?
08-31-2004, 03:32 AM
Lifeless

So the quality of a Creative Soundblaster Live! player 5.1 would be beter than the onboard sound? or is it another one you mean by audigy 1, because i cant find the "1".

grtz,
Frederick
08-31-2004, 05:56 AM
ugp

Not over the onboard of the DFI no....the onboard is 7.1 and 16-Bit...your SB Live is 5.1 and 16-bit...depends on what you want...onboard though I think would be better for you.
08-31-2004, 05:59 AM
aldamon

Quote:

Originally posted by Ubermann
Plz i want info on the DFI board and stuff related to it.
Not anything else.
So make new threads for questions about other stuff.
Ok ?

The DFI board isn't out yet. I'm sure the thread will get back on track next week when everybody gets them. Until then, who cares? It's not like we're talking about football.

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifeless
So the quality of a Creative Soundblaster Live! player 5.1 would be beter than the onboard sound? or is it another one you mean by audigy 1, because i cant find the "1".

grtz,
Frederick

The sound quality on my Live! was never that good. CPU utilization will be lower with the Live! installed, but I don't know about sound quality. I think sound quality takes precedence over performance. If you buy the DFI, try out both in gaming situations and music playing and see which one you like better. If both sound the same, use the Live. If you have a 6.1 or 7.1 speaker setup, the onboard sound would be a better option by default.

Quote:

Originally posted by ugp
Ok, ok, I am going to continue to use my Audigy...my next thing I am getting is a god damn Liquid Cooling system....anyone know one...I posted a thread in the "Liquid Cooling" section. Please reply and help me out I am sick of heat.

The best kits are the ones you put together yourself. I bought a good pump, a top-of-the-line block, an awesome dual-fan radiator and made my own reservoir. I've experienced some pitfalls along the way (leaking), but I knew about that possibility going in. Goop and silicone sealant are your friend. Use lots of it :)
08-31-2004, 08:05 AM
ugp

Can't leaks ruin your sh*t though? Only thing I would be worried about and it is so expensive to do it...and I really want new Memory and I want to get two new HDDs so I can run a RAID 0
08-31-2004, 09:01 AM
Ubermann

Ohhh nevermind then...
08-31-2004, 11:17 AM
GreyBeard

Bad news if you were hoping to use the new Thermalright XP-120 with the DFI. Ubermann contacted DFI in Taiwan and I contacted Thermalright tech support and they both say that the XP-120 will not fit on the LanPartyUT 250GB. :(

However, the good news is that Thermalright has another new heatpipe called the XP-90! It takes a 92mm fan. While looking just as impressive as the XP-120, Thermalright tech support says it knows of no MBs that would be incompatible with the XP-90! :banana: :banana:

The Thermalright tech support guy says that the XP-90 runs 3C cooler than the SLK-948U on his machine. :toast:

Heatsink Factory says that the XP-90 should be available this week.
08-31-2004, 11:59 AM
b|gf|sh

Quote:

Originally posted by GreyBeard
Bad news if you were hoping to use the new Thermalright XP-120 with the DFI. Ubermann contacted DFI in Taiwan and I contacted Thermalright tech support and they both say that the XP-120 will not fit on the LanPartyUT 250GB. :(

:eek:

Was looking forward to getting an XP-120 when the LP-UT arrives in the UK :(

Hopefully a new Zalman cooler will come soon then :rolleyes:
08-31-2004, 01:00 PM
The Mofo

If youre going to use H20 cooling, you need to take precautions. Ive seen many H20 water setups where people throw it together using no hoseclamps. Generally it wont leak, but give it some times to clear the air bubbles and low and behold, you will begin to see leaks. Cinch down you hoses with clamps, run the system before placing it into the case and you will have no problems. When you take shortcuts or try to rush things, expect the worse. A Little common sense goes a long way. BTW, ive been H20 cooling for 6 yrs now :)
08-31-2004, 01:06 PM
GreyBeard

Quote:

Originally posted by b|gf|sh
:eek:

Was looking forward to getting an XP-120 when the LP-UT arrives in the UK :(

Hopefully a new Zalman cooler will come soon then :rolleyes:

Have you looked at the XP-90?

There are reviews of the XP-90 and XP-120 on overclockers.com that show the XP-90 comparing favourably with the XP-120.
08-31-2004, 01:14 PM
b|gf|sh

Quote:

Originally posted by GreyBeard
Have you looked at the XP-90?

There are reviews of the XP-90 and XP-120 on overclockers.com that show the XP-90 comparing favourably with the XP-120.

Hmm, they tested using 50-76dB fans though, the XP-120 coupled with a decent low-noise 120mm fan allowed for a silent cooler for oc'd systems.

Ah well, lets just hope the XP-90 is that much better then and we wont need the additional airflow :)
08-31-2004, 02:25 PM
GreyBeard

That's pretty much what I am hoping too. The XP-90 is probably going to be better than the Zalman 7000 and the SLK-948U.

If the XP-120 makes a big difference, it might be worth the risk of bending some caps if that is what is causing the fit problems. If the problem is more than that, then it's the XP-90 or water!
08-31-2004, 04:15 PM
ugp

This is an alright heatsink and fan system...

Thermaltake CL-P0025 SilentTower Heatpipe Cooling
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=370489
08-31-2004, 04:40 PM
GreyBeard

Quote:

Originally posted by ugp
This is an alright heatsink and fan system...

Thermaltake CL-P0025 SilentTower Heatpipe Cooling

That might be a good heatsink. However, I have seen too many people trash Thermaltake to want to take a chance on them.
08-31-2004, 04:46 PM
ugp

I am happy with my Zalman...I got the all copper one:D
08-31-2004, 09:10 PM
jellysandwich

How do you take off the CPU retention thing? Just unscrew it?

-jellysandwich
08-31-2004, 09:29 PM
Ubermann

I really wanted that SP 120 grr
08-31-2004, 09:32 PM
CTKP

disregard this post
09-01-2004, 06:29 AM
ugp

Um...yeah ...it is very simple:D

You know what tomorrow is right??? DFI Release day!!! Yay!!
But I wont recieve mine until next week though:(
09-01-2004, 06:34 AM
ugp

On DFIs site they have released the manual and all for it...go check it out.
09-01-2004, 06:54 AM
ugp

From the looks of it nothing changed really in the BIOS from what bigtoe had in beta testing. The only thing I noticed was I thought it was going to have CMOS Reloaded. That would have been a nice feature to have on this board. But in any case that is cool. The board is going to run fine without it in my opinion. I still can't wait to recieve it in the mail come next week. I need to fullfil my overclocking needs and I really to need reload my OS and I am not doing so until I get this board so it needs to hurry the f*ck up! :D
09-01-2004, 07:48 AM
trey

Are the OCZ 3700 512MB sticks double sided? Because in the manuel is says that if u use 2 double ranked *ranked the same as sided?* would resualt in DDR333?!
09-01-2004, 08:01 AM
Lifeless

Yes they are i think. but the manual also says that in the bios you can set the ram back to 400.

@ UGP: from dfi specs page:
LAN PARTY UT nF3 250Gb exclusive features:
8CH Audio(Dolby 7.1, 8ch supported)
Gigabit LAN(with nVIDIA Gigabit Ehternet)
nVIDIA RAID
nVIDIA Firewall(Embedded hardware firewall)
Japanese Capacitors
CMOS reloaded
Brand New Genie BIOS
EZ-on / EZ-touch on board power switch
UV sensitive slots

so i think it'll have CMOS reloaded

grtz,
Lifeless
09-01-2004, 08:06 AM
ugp

Get 3500 and they are single sided I believe and they can run upwards of DDR500 speeds.

From what I read in the manual it sets all memory to DDR333 at default and you have to go into the BIOS and change it to what ever you want.

What I like about what I was reading is I can just go ahead and set my Memory at whatever FSB I want it to be without figuring out dividers and all. I am first going to max out the RAM and then I am going to max out my CPU on this bastard!!:D
09-01-2004, 08:18 AM
p4z1f1st

Quote:

Originally posted by trey
Are the OCZ 3700 512MB sticks double sided? Because in the manuel is says that if u use 2 double ranked *ranked the same as sided?* would resualt in DDR333?!

@ bigtoe: is that right ?
09-01-2004, 08:24 AM
ugp

That is what I was wondering too...I am not sure.:(
09-01-2004, 08:50 AM
p4z1f1st

Quote:

Originally posted by ugp
Get 3500 and they are single sided I believe and they can run upwards of DDR500 speeds....

that doesn't have something to do with PC3500, PC3700 or PC4000.....all 512MB-sticks of OCZ are double-sided (a quote of andyOCZ of the OCZ-support-part)
09-01-2004, 08:59 AM
Ubermann

Thats why you order one stick 512 3500EB like bigtoe used =)
09-01-2004, 09:28 AM
Tony

All 512 modules are double sided. I would buy a dual channel kit so your ready for your upgrade to 939 dual channel later.

The issue with booting at 166 is a memory controller issue, nothing to do with the ram.I know you can usually force 3200 speed by setting auto in bios.
09-01-2004, 09:32 AM
p4z1f1st

ah good....so, nothing to worry about :D

btw @ bigtoe: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=41548 :rolleyes:
09-01-2004, 09:51 AM
eva2000

well looks like Aussies will get price raped with this board first prices I've seen for this DFI s754 board = AUD$420 or US$305 :eek:
09-01-2004, 09:55 AM
Tony

I will point DFI to that Eva...im sure they will look to get this sorted out .
09-01-2004, 10:03 AM
Tony

Quote:

Originally posted by eva2000
well looks like Aussies will get price raped with this board first prices I've seen for this DFI s754 board = AUD$420 or US$305 :eek:

Which reseller is charging that price Eva?
09-01-2004, 10:10 AM
eva2000

http://www.u-butecomputers.com.au/category381_1.htm

Other product prices on their site seem on par with average price in OZ though...

DFI prices in OZ
http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod1570.htm
http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod1571.htm
http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod1568.htm
http://www.pccasegear.com.au/prod1569.htm

AUD$1 = US$0.725 ish

DFI boards are rare in OZ too PCcasegear only just got DFI boards in stock for first time 2 weeks ago
09-01-2004, 10:15 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe
I will point DFI to that Eva...im sure they will look to get this sorted out .

server time must of went wacky on your reply heh

while we have 10% GST and 5% import taxes that probably bring DFI s754 board to AUD$300-320ish but not AUD$420 heh
09-01-2004, 10:19 AM
ColdFusion

Will Crucial Ballistix RAM work well on this DFI board? Thinking of getting some pc4000 w/3200+ newcastle

cheers
09-01-2004, 10:58 AM
GreyBeard

Crucial Ballistix and OCZ EB are very good matchs for A64 systems.
09-01-2004, 11:46 AM
trey

bigtoe, when u said force it too pc3200 speeds, is that all, i was hoping at 250 3-3-2 or 3-2-2. Is that not possible with 2x512?
And do i have to go with 2t or will it maybe work with 1t? Dont really know the differece :D

i know u talked about it earlier, but i couldnt find it in a 23page long thread :D
09-01-2004, 11:48 AM
__TRONIK__

so will I have to wipe my hard disks clean? I am under raid 0 on the nvidia chip of the chaintech nfoce3 250.
reeealy dont want to start all over jsut a month or so after I got it like I like it. And I dont have the room to move everything temporarily.
09-01-2004, 04:18 PM
ugp

That is why I use my parents computer as a slave drive...I have there HDD spilt into two. One part is mine to store everything on. And I have been waiting to hold off on reloading my OS because of this Motherboard. I will be more than happy to reload my OS for this board.
09-01-2004, 05:11 PM
ugp

1 Attachment(s)

Here is an actual picture from the Manual of the Memory options we have on this board...
09-01-2004, 05:30 PM
toenexx

ram

Hrmmm, this may be a silly question but I like people's approval :p

Do you think the CMX1024-3200PRO 1GB DDR400 XMS3200 ProSeries Memory w/Heat will work good with this DFI mobo?

I plan to order the ram and mobo tomorrow :D

And no I dont want 2x512 b/c further down the road i plan to add another gig for doing computer animation/visual effects.
09-01-2004, 05:32 PM
ugp

Well don't plan on getting the DFI is you haven't oredered it yet...there are a limited quanity of them and everyone pretty much already preordered all there is I believe...

But the OCZ EB is doing the best from all the feedback I have gotten on it and that is what I plan to order. I plan to order the 512x2 1GB set myself when I get the money and then I am going to a 80GBx2 Seagate Baracuda RAID 0 set. And then I will be sitting on a sweet machine:D
09-01-2004, 05:35 PM
__TRONIK__

so I am going ot have to wipe my disks in order to run raid on the DFI?, even though my stripes were setup on the same nvidia raid chip?
09-01-2004, 05:37 PM
ugp

Well it is best to do so because you are changing to a new motherboard and there will probably be somewhat newer drivers and all...you can swap them out and try it I assume. But whenever you get a new Motherboard it is best to reload the system for best performance.
09-01-2004, 05:43 PM
toenexx

well on zipzoomfly u cant even preorder it....as far as i kno
09-01-2004, 06:17 PM
ugp

Yeah...apparently you haven't been reading...I posted a thread on this already....go to www.gameve.com and you can preorder them there!!! I swear you f*ucking people need to start reading and research before you post something. I dont spend the time to post this sh*t for no reason!!!!!
09-01-2004, 07:21 PM
GreyBeard

Quote:

Originally posted by __TRONIK__
so I am going ot have to wipe my disks in order to run raid on the DFI?, even though my stripes were setup on the same nvidia raid chip?

I read on another site that someone had managed to change MBs without reinstalling windows. Unfortunately, I do not remember what he did or exactly where I read it (might have been on the MSI forums). So it may be possible. Try posting a new thread, and visiting some other sites. Good luck.
09-01-2004, 07:32 PM
toenexx

wrong...ive known gameve.com has had it...but i dont want to order from them u poopy head
09-01-2004, 07:43 PM
Tony

Quote:

Originally posted by ugp
Yeah...apparently you haven't been reading...I posted a thread on this already....go to www.gameve.com and you can preorder them there!!! I swear you f*ucking people need to start reading and research before you post something. I dont spend the time to post this sh*t for no reason!!!!!

Thats pretty stong man...I started this thread to tell you about a motherboard, not for you guys to get all pissy and start flaming.
09-01-2004, 07:45 PM
Tony

More info for you all..

New boards have Vagp and higher vdimm options.I will be modding the bios to allow 3.3Vdimm as soon as Oskar sends it to me.

Thanks OPP for the Vagp....;)
09-01-2004, 07:54 PM
toenexx

ive noticed this board is probably going to be the best in overclocking terms, but what about stablability and reliability using stock?
09-01-2004, 07:57 PM
__TRONIK__

of what benefit is high vagp? isn't rasing vagp over 1.6 thought to be without benefit at best and dangerous at worst? I have heard of some who have needed 1.6 to get stable for various reasons, but i can't say I have seen anyone benefit from higher, or from rasing the agp bus for that matter. but then, perhaps I am not looking in the right places.
/new here
09-01-2004, 07:58 PM
__TRONIK__

Quote:

Originally posted by toenexx
ive noticed this board is probably going to be the best in overclocking terms, but what about stablability and reliability using stock?

I thinkk we will knwo that when it gets released/. though you might have to read about it elsewhere, I don't think many of us will be running it stock...or anywhere near it :stick:
09-01-2004, 10:39 PM
Ubermann

Quote:

Originally posted by ugp
Yeah...apparently you haven't been reading...I posted a thread on this already....go to www.gameve.com and you can preorder them there!!! I swear you f*ucking people need to start reading and research before you post something. I dont spend the time to post this sh*t for no reason!!!!!

Do you think this is your thread ?
Im sick and tired of you red sig all over the forum with all nonsense about your computer.

I want it to be DFI related and i think 95% of the ppl on this thread agree with me.
09-01-2004, 11:51 PM
Ubermann

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe
More info for you all..

New boards have Vagp and higher vdimm options.I will be modding the bios to allow 3.3Vdimm as soon as Oskar sends it to me.

Thanks OPP for the Vagp....;)

3.3 volt should be enough for the EB ram ?
What volt did you run max with the booster in the bench earlier.
What is the volt limit for the EB where you dont gain more from adding more volt.

Thanks for any help bigtoe.
09-02-2004, 01:30 AM
freestylercs

Wow, 3,3V
my BH 5 will love it.....

free
09-02-2004, 04:53 AM
mad mikee

Thanks

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe
More info for you all..

New boards have Vagp and higher vdimm options.I will be modding the bios to allow 3.3Vdimm as soon as Oskar sends it to me.

Thanks OPP for the Vagp....;)

And I thank you BOTH for all the good stuff you've been doing here :toast:
09-02-2004, 05:03 AM
p4z1f1st

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe
More info for you all..

New boards have Vagp and higher vdimm options.I will be modding the bios to allow 3.3Vdimm as soon as Oskar sends it to me.

Thanks OPP for the Vagp....;)

did i understand right ?

DFI increases the max vdimm from 3.1V to 3.3V OFFICIALLY ?! :)

(doesn't care about vagp - my EBs just want voltage....they wanna BUUURRNNNNN :D)
09-02-2004, 05:35 AM
ugp

Quote:

Originally posted by Ubermann
Do you think this is your thread ?
Im sick and tired of you red sig all over the forum with all nonsense about your computer.

I want it to be DFI related and i think 95% of the ppl on this thread agree with me.

Well if you feel that way I wont post here anymore...

Good bye.
09-02-2004, 06:41 AM
gouda96

Wow, if I stoped posting every time someone got pissed at me I would have stopped after the first time, and there wouldn't have been a second or a third time, so i don't know where i am going with this...you went over the top, and he got offeded, both of you can get over it now and continue posting.

I would take .2v extra for 7 more days. Can we wait another 14 days and get 3.7v stock? BigToe, could you have simply modded the bios before to allow 3.3v or are they changing something else to allow you to do so? Is it then safe to assume the vdim comes off of the +5v rail and not the 3.3v rail?
09-02-2004, 07:20 AM
ugp

Well I am not posting as much as I use to anymore...half of my posts are pointless and useless.
09-02-2004, 07:21 AM
gouda96

Just let it go...now we are thread crapping :D
09-02-2004, 07:23 AM
ugp

Well we have until the 9th because of the delay. But if they are making the board better then more power to them and I will wait:D
09-02-2004, 08:12 AM
The Mofo

Quote:

Originally posted by GreyBeard
I read on another site that someone had managed to change MBs without reinstalling windows. Unfortunately, I do not remember what he did or exactly where I read it (might have been on the MSI forums). So it may be possible. Try posting a new thread, and visiting some other sites. Good luck.

Its quite easy and here is the thread to show you what to do, i hope you find it useful...

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/...4&m=1400925745

Though it outlines Win2k, it still works within WinXP.
09-02-2004, 08:14 AM
The Mofo

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe
More info for you all..

New boards have Vagp and higher vdimm options.I will be modding the bios to allow 3.3Vdimm as soon as Oskar sends it to me.

Thanks OPP for the Vagp....;)

Wow, kickass. So does this mean the boards still ship today or is there a delay? Or is there another revision to allow the higher voltages? Thanks
09-02-2004, 10:40 AM
GreyBeard

Quote:

Originally posted by gouda96
Is it then safe to assume the vdim comes off of the +5v rail and not the 3.3v rail?

Yup, DFI has been using the 5v rail for a while now.
09-02-2004, 01:36 PM
OPPAINTER

Quote:

Originally posted by GreyBeard
Yup, DFI has been using the 5v rail for a while now.

I was told it was run off of the 3.3V.

OPP
09-02-2004, 02:44 PM
gouda96

So if you have a weak 3.3v rail it wouldn't be 3.3v? Not that I have that problem, but should be good for people to know that they might still need to atleast do a psu mod for 3.3v.
09-02-2004, 07:27 PM
Tony

Oskar told me he did want to implement Vdimm off the 5V line with 4V available thru bios, unfortunatelly the board uses the 3.3V line and as such 3.25V max is all you are going to get. I can unhide all options in bios but they ain't going to work.
09-02-2004, 07:32 PM
gouda96

Would they work with a modded 3.3v line? If so, could you unlock as high as 4v? Damn, they should have gone with 4v and the +5v rail, that would have realy turned some heads and generated even more talk about an already incredibly hyped board!
09-02-2004, 09:13 PM
The Mofo

Amazing people are never happy, no matter what.

They could always put the voltages to stock levels again :rolleyes: If you want 4V's, then mod your damn board. 90% of the people buying it will be happy with 3.1.
09-02-2004, 09:17 PM
Tedinde

Quote:

Originally posted by GreyBeard
Crucial Ballistix and OCZ EB are very good matchs for A64 systems.

I just received 2 sticks of Crucial ballistix 512 3200 sticks 2 days ago. No joke it's killer memory. stock SPD setting are 2.5-2-2 and i've got them burning in folding in a IS7 @ 250fsb 1:1 with no volt mod and 2.77 actual Mem volts!!!

I'll be putting up some numbers with them tomorrow night. Finally i have some "all around memory"

Waiting to get the DFI myself, And a reasonable price

http://www.gameve.com/gve/store/Prod...sku=mb-dfi-023

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=246478

Man i hate waiting. I sold my vapo, MSI board and chip And vid card.
09-02-2004, 09:51 PM
WeakSauce

Does anybody know if this board is going to be compatible with amd64 mobile's? I was looking to get a 3400+ clawhammer mobile at newegg because they're $80 cheaper than the desktop version. Also on a sidenote, does anyone know if the mobile's are CO or CG stepping?
09-03-2004, 01:20 AM
Bourch

How could be a mobile version cheaper than a desktop one? aren´t they better for OC?
One more question. I have 2x512 Adata PC4000 on my ASUS K8V SE Deluxe. Currentrly it´s running at 442mhz 2.5-4-3-5 (no PCI/AGP Lock available) and it only gives me about 2700Mb/s on sandra´s mem buffered test.
Is it normal that poor result? I don´t know how to better those results until I change this board with the DFI but here in Spain I´ll have to wait for it.
I know the 3500/3700EB are better but will I be able to get a decent bandwith with this mem on the DFI?
09-03-2004, 01:28 AM
ugp

They are usually more then the desktop versions and yes they overclock better...and they usually require less voltage to run if I remember correctly...although someone back me up on that because I am not exactly sure....

And that is a poor score....I have 512x2 of PC3200 at 2.5-3-3-7 running at 215 on the bus and I am getting 3200+Mb/s. So to me something doesn't seem right at all with that memory man.
09-03-2004, 01:37 AM
Bourch

On my old P4-2.8C on the AI7 i865 it gives me around 4800Mb/s so i think the memory is OK but since I got the 3200+ and the asus I have to poor results. I know the timings of my mem are a bit slow but 2700mb is TOO slow in my opinion. I sopose that I won´t know if it works better on the DFI until I have it but I don´t understand how a common kingston value ram at 400 scores better on a friends Epox nforce3 250gb than mine on an asus (via) at 442mhz. Timings are more relaxed on mine but it´s running at 42mhz more, so it should be compensated.

Sorry for my bad english :(
09-03-2004, 01:45 AM
Flox

Quote:

Originally posted by Bourch
On my old P4-2.8C on the AI7 i865 it gives me around 4800Mb/s so i think the memory is OK but since I got the 3200+ and the asus I have to poor results. I know the timings of my mem are a bit slow but 2700mb is TOO slow in my opinion.

Comparing dual-channel (4800Mb/s -> 2400Mb/s per channel) to single-channel (2700Mb/s)? Both results seem to be slow in my eyes...

Greetz, Flox
09-03-2004, 02:38 AM
ugp

Mine is running Single Channel....and my friends gets about the same score on my memory in Dual Channel on his AMD board.
09-03-2004, 03:29 AM
Bourch

I´ve started another thread to mantain this for the great DFI.
I´ve posted my sandra report so you can see all the numbers, timings and so.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=41806

Please ppl help me
09-03-2004, 03:40 AM
ugp

How many of the people here were the first 10 to order the board?
09-03-2004, 04:13 AM
GreyBeard

Quote:

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I was told it was run off of the 3.3V.

OPP

I stand corrected. My info came from DFI-Street. The DFI rep there said that DFI had been using the 5V line on other MBs and expected that this would too. As Bigtoe said, guess they wanted to but couldn't.
09-03-2004, 04:59 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally posted by bigtoe
Oskar told me he did want to implement Vdimm off the 5V line with 4V available thru bios, unfortunatelly the board uses the 3.3V line and as such 3.25V max is all you are going to get. I can unhide all options in bios but they ain't going to work.

can anyone say OCZ Powerstream :D

i just placed preorder for DFI s754 board from mittoni.com.au at AUD$303 total = US$220 still more expensive than any s754 and some s939 boards but hey got the ram pile for it and the cooling http://www.fileshosts.com/watercooling/DIY/6002_MCP650/ just need the board :D
09-03-2004, 05:20 AM
OPPAINTER

Quote:

Originally posted by gouda96
Would they work with a modded 3.3v line? If so, could you unlock as high as 4v? Damn, they should have gone with 4v and the +5v rail, that would have realy turned some heads and generated even more talk about an already incredibly hyped board!

The mobo has a problem at first post if the mem voltage is over 3.6V.

In other words, if you save and exit the bios over 3.6V you'll get a black screen. If you are at 3.55V going out of the bios or on a reboot there is no problem.

Once your past this this first post you can up the mem voltage as high as you want.

OPP

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