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No, profiles are like preset options for your settings in WCG.Quote:
Originally Posted by DimmuKlokSC2
For example, you set a profile named A to use 100% of the CPU. Profile A is your default profile for your account, every computer that is installed under your account will use 100% CPU for BOINC.
By the way, thanks for joining from the last SuperComputer event and our new one is coming soon!:up:
No problem and thanks for the quick reply. I'm happy to be apart of the team and I cant thank Rise enough for introducing me to you all and WCG.
:welcome: and thanks for helping!Quote:
Originally Posted by rubber5
A look at Vapor's PPD Predictor Thread takes the prediction to around 33k (8.8x3800MHz) WCG PPD a day, that is for the 64bit Windows OS.
Firstly for the max PPD output you should always make sure the settings on your BOINC Manager is, the underlined values are the ones you should watch for:
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While processor usage is less than 0 percent.
Secondly you should always allow your PPD to settle down a bit after you started, mainly for the works to be validated; let's say wait for about 5-7 days.Quote:
Use at most 100% CPU time.
Also to keep in mind that you should always allow some deviation from the PPD predictor thread as there are always different scenarios for different machines. Some people on this team dedicates their i7 machines for crunching and they don't regularly use it, a part of the PPD Predictor is based off those kind of numbers. Also, different overclock settings might also effect your PPD.
If you've done all of the above, don't worry much. The points you are producing isn't half bad..
Crunch on:up:
Have fun here:)Quote:
Originally Posted by DimmuKlokSC2
On a note for crunching on gaming laptops, make sure you have sufficient cooling on your lappy. Some sort chill pad works wonderfully for extending your laptop's life.
^^ That, replacing your laptop's thermalpaste with something a little better...
just use the same email and password that you registered for the first system with. then the second computer will show up on your account as well as your first system :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DimmuKlokSC2
i just wanted to ask everyone what sort of temps are you getting running wcg @100% with the cpu
mine is running about mid 60's now
i needed to put my pc back in the bed room as the rig was not booting i needed to wait about 20mins for the hdd's to warm up before it will boot properly and im just wanting to make sure the rig is not getting to hot now its in the room again im only asking becuse i have overclocked the cpu more since it was in a colder place
ps the h50 cooler has a akasa viper 120mm fan on it its a pwm fan and it's running about 1600rpm but can do 1900 rpm (acording to box specks) im just thinking that is not at a dangerous temp as the fan is not at the highest speed
im i right on this
let me know if you have the time
thanks
Depends on what kind of CPU it is. The new I7s are rated to 105C... I've been running mine really hot in the 90C just to see what would happen, (good excuse to go to a hex if it dies :p) but it's still running. Been over a year at those temps now. Really, I wouldn't worry if it was below 80C.
Just about any other chip though is only rated to 80C or so... some 90C... but I wouldn't run those above 70C. Just my opinion.
Might want to give this thread a read;
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=258247
It's just as Otis said, so long as you're not exceeding the rated temps you're fine. Just depends on what you are comfortable with.
thanks for that looks like im right in the middle with the temp
my cpu is an i7 920@3.8ghz
it just annoys me that to get it to 4.0ghz it need way to much v-core to get it stable
im at 1.26v in bios and cpuid hwmonitor tells me max is 1.17v
so its all good to me
thanks again for your help
what is a recommended psu for an i3 system with 2gb ddr3 and two gt240 and possibly gt240 + gtx260? looking for 80+ silver or higher. thanks
What should I have all my preferences set to for maximum points?
This should help:Quote:
Originally Posted by DimmuKlokSC2
Bless you for that post MM! :up:I didn't realize project selection made a difference to points hoes. :rofl:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Actually this week the smart play is to choose HFCC and FAAH as they don't require a "wingman" sono waiting for validation.Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
HCC does.
Argggh! I changed my settings 6 hours ago. With 28 real cores and 14 virtual cores, my points ain't up to snuff. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Edit: Just logged in over there. Stats are unavailable but this was at the top of the page.
Welcome back, wfo439 :: Accumulated Points: 133,308
Does that mean I finally got credit for all cores crunching???? :)
Gpugrid is over 350K so that shouldn't figure in. My clients still show me at 28K total. :(
2 types of points ...wcg points and Boinc points
Boinc points * 7 approx = WCG points
have patience my friend, by the end of the week all will be well
in 10 minutes in "my grid" you can check how many pages of pendings you have...that should give you an idea of how things are going
Patience, stats will be available in a few minutes..F5..F5.F5..:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
The page you requested is currently unavailable because the statistics are being updated.
The statistics update will finish in about 9 minutes 21 seconds.
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Originally Posted by OldChap
:rofl::rofl::rofl: WCG is like learning a foreign language. Things seemed so much easier at F@H. :rolleyes:If I'd known Boinc was Berkeley based, I would have switched long ago. I grew up and spent 40 years in Berkeley. Both my parents went to CAL. Bears over Indians /Cardinals any day. Gooo Bears!!! :)
Edit: So I have 199K+?
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/95/wcgmypoints.png
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Oddly enough I found it simple and quite intuitive BUT I started at my leasure and had no reason to push hard in the first few weeks...then of course I found I had 32bit on 64bit machines etc. and needed to start over but hey where's the fun in "simple"
Thanks for the heads up on "My Grid." I have 180 WUs pending approval. I'm showing 261,535 points now. Why does Free DC stats still show me with 33K? :shrug:
You back here again?Quote:
Originally Posted by WFO
You going to be one of those "high maintainence"members?:D
Maybe your due for a call..:rofl:
Free-DC is always hours late..
The WCG page is THE page for correct stats.
For example the "pie chart" of the daily top 10 is grabbed at app 2am to get the right numbers that happenned at 8PM the previous night.
Yor doing ok my friend and if you want to get what you do validated faster switch to just the HFCC and FAAH projects as they have no wingman or quorum.
They validate as soon as returned.
Honestly, that is a smart move for everyone this week.
Bit of a points junkie this one.... but stick with him he's one of the good guys from next door (F@H)
All is well Wfo, but if you want to squeeze every last point from your rigs in WCG then GPUGrid is stealing cycles :)...If you want to do the most good for humanity leave Grid running... and as a final :stick: WCG and Folding GPU go well together
Thanks guys! :up:
Guys,
will using 64bit linux be better than using 32bit? (in terms of processing time etc etc)
In terms of processing time, yes. Particularly with HCC work units.
Is there a place that I can look up what I can expect from different CPUs .... trying to figure out which one to buy and was wanting to know some stats to help better choose a CPU for me ...
Have a look at this: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=251213
That will give you an idea of what to expect of a CPU (overclocked or not)
thanks Rob!
does anyone know if 2 intel X5365 in a server board would crunch well? I looked at that sheet Rob linked and could not find anything on the clovertowns
like how much difference in performance would there be between that or an AMD 1055T ... those are my choices...
21-22K WCG PPD..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Duke
Your i7-920 at even 3.5GHz will out do those clovers..
lol really? woooow okQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
so a 1055T would be a better choice then?
No, get another 920..:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Duke
+1 Intels just do better at crunchingQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
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Originally Posted by Movieman
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Originally Posted by shoota
well ... no one has offered me any intel stuff in my WTB post ... so as of now I have a 1055T coming :shrug:
Not everyone here can afford to buy whatever they want when they want or have connections to get the hot stuff. I have 2 1055T and they each do about 21k WCG or 7k Boinc ppd. There are Intels that do better and some do alot better but that is what I bring to the table. With 44 AMD cores I am around #22-23 in daily RAC on team so AMD ain't all crap huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Duke
Thanks for bringing what ya can and doing what ya can.:up:
wow thats not too bad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PoppaGeek
yaaa I wish I could just throw money down and go heavy on the intel ... but it just isnt that way.
had to trade a bunch of stuff for the AMD CPU as it is sooo hoping to add that to my 920 rig in the sig ...
are those PPD with it overclocked or stock?
Both 1055Ts are at 3.5gz and stock volts. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Duke
Ahem, isn't it 3k Boinc PPD?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PoppaGeek
Somewhere in a parallel universe you did not catch that and the sales of AMD hex cores went up dramatically. In another I typed the 3 instead of the 7 that I was thinking that was the divisor of the 21. In another I graciously thanked you for catching my error. In THIS universe I am ignoring you and pretending nothing happened. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by lkiller123
It's alright Poppa!:rofl::up:
I prefer AMD to Intel. I'm not about buying $1k CPUs. My AMD quad core is a great performer, the Arima with it's Opterons is putting out good numbers. I don't need pie or the fastest CPU in the land to feel like I'm contributing. Plus we all know who has the fastest host now: sierra_bound! :yepp:
guys,
whats the max amount of WU's that a single machine can download per day? is it 64??
Bare minimum of 100; if your WU quota is low, either your machine is unstable or your machine is new to the Grid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
lol i'm not that lucky to have 64 cores in one machine, i was just curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobsama
so 100 wu's per day for a single machine??
Isn't this controlled by how many days you specify in your Device Profiles? It's really how many you can crunch in a day times how many days you have in your cache. But I have seen some of my hosts that won't download the full cache amount. But they get one update at a time as one is completed. Nowhere near 100 either....
Each machine has a limit on how many work units it is allowed to download under ideal circumstances, I don't remember to maximum number, which drops each time you get an error. Bomb enough work units fast enough and your allocation will drop to zero or close to it per day. As you return units and they validate successfully that number goes back up, but it's limited by how fast your machine is as well. Something like my pentium Pro 200 will never see more than two or MAYBE three units in cache no matter how many days I set it to, while a fast quad could he holding an enormous number of cached units.
cheers da :up:
I was looking through the first few posts and noticed this:
I am going through tweaking my windows settings at the moment and had not yet thought about the pagefile.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
So I went and checked it. It was windows managed at 8 gigs, although I couldn't discover how much was actually in use. But I turned it off anyway.
Since I have 8 gigs of RAM and with 8 threads of WCG running I rarely go over 2.5 gigs used (that is windows + boinc + random stuff like steam, opera etc..). Even though I have Boinc set to use a max of 75% (little over 6gig).
And after turning it off I did not notice an increase in RAM usage. So I am guessing with main rigs getting to huge amounts of ram.. do we really need it? Ofcourse dedicated crunchers could have less ram and would actually need it (possibly, I don't have any so I don't know)
Is this stupid with crunching? Does Boinc / WCG use it?
Besides that I was wondering about what it actually does when it writes to disk. And if increasing the timer would increase the amount of writing to be done at those points.
Any help on these subjects would be appreciated :)
Hey WCG team, I am planning to jump back in and help during SuperComputer Week - it was great fun last time I took part!
As I have not done WCG since last year, I was wondering if the client now uses GPU's (nvidia)? I remember that a year ago it did not.... would it be okay to run FAH on GPU at the same time as WCG?
If you want to maximise your output on WCG then don't run gpu as it uses core time some and cannot be used on WCG. That said, if you want to help out on the GPUGrid team for the week too then any nVidia gtx 260-216 or later would be most welcome..... at the cost of up to maybe 25% of one core/thread (I guess)
Just a quick question, about how long for things to update?
Only WCG shows on Free DC for me - the GPUgrid stuff isn't there yet (got around 11k showing on GPUgrid site).
Am i missing some kind of profile setting or does it take a few days to all catch up?
EDIT: Ignore me - just as I post this it shows up... typical :D
I'm up and running but task manager cpu usage looks like steep sloped square wave instead of all cores 100%???
Open Boinc manager, then on the left clicj "My grid" and it will take you to your WCG page.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaganII
Go thru all your settings one by one.
Tune it to what you want it to do.
Thanks for helping!:up:
Yep, woke up in the middle of the night thinking it was throttling but ambients are 20F cooler this year (AC!).
CPU was set to default 65%. Going full blast now. :)
Edit: 5/3/11
#3 computer died last night due to windows activation BS Got errors and now WCG won't give it any work.
Suggestions?
Update: Solved, renamed computer after stabilizing, reinstalled WCG and now have plenty work.
Any one knows why my "pending validation" suddenly shot up from 12 pages to 22 since yesterday and my points are dropping down the same time?:confused:
Had one rig down for 1,5 hrs while switching CPU, my buddy's Classified 760 did not accept the Xeon W3570 so we swapped it with my i7 970 cause my P6T7 Supercomputer had no issues with the Xeon.
It's the weekend and MANY machines on WCG are Mon-Fri only unfortunately..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mydog
Don't worry, they will validate this week and your points will go back up..
Think of them as "money in the bank":D
To bad I don't get any intrest on them then:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Just discovered that I got 2-two pages of inconclusives on top of the still growing pending validation list now at 28 full pages, also got five errored WU's but they are from all the rigs and of the same project(Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2).:shakes:
For a few weeks I have been getting many errors, invalids and inconclusive on multiple machines, most that have had no changes. Some of the error WUs and inconclusives had the same result from wingman but not all. I am used to an occasional error or invalid and all these, sometimes several pages of them, has had me upset. I started a thread on it. One machine was a particular problem but I had installed new CPU that required a BIOS update. Assuming that was the problem but got 2 more errors on it today and 2 more on another machine. Pretty much all projects, C4CW, HCC, HFC and DSL have been involved.
I dunno what is going on. :shrug:
The errors I get on HPFP2 are all within one sec. and I think I recall that Dave said that project was bull.
The inconclusive ones I don't like at all nor the fact that I seem to put more wu's in the "bank" and my dail output keeps dropping due to this.
I belive my rigs are all stable, they have been crunching/folding for months without any issues.
I now have four more rigs ready to crunch but we are having what an "indian summer" here with temps over 25C so I'm waiting for cooler weather, forcast for next week are from 2C up to 15C.:)
The problem with the HPF projects isn't the work so much as the guy in charge. It's a long story I won't go into here.
The units going into pending will eventually come out, they are not lost. It can take a week for your output to level out when you start and there is ALWAYS a period at the beginning where your output drops after you add in a project with a validation quorum like HPF. If you stick with it for about a week it will level out and your points output will come back up. Also, units that error out within one second are most likely nothing to do with your machines and should be ignored.
WCG is not a project you should try to micro-manage. Just pick the sub-projects that appeal to you, make sure your gear is stable and well maintained and let it go.
I never had problems with HPFP2 on Linux but did on Vista. I am not running it now. I do not know why there are so many inconclusives, I guess it is because I have had so many errors except machine that have not had any errors are getting inconclusives too. While it seems many of what I see are not my fault it is hard to figure out what is a problem on my end when it has been so many and no real patterns. One machine would go 2 days to a week with no errors, then a bunch of errors. Reboot and no errors for 2 days to a week then a bunch. Then another machine started doing the same thing?????? :shrug:
I just would like to know what is going on if there is something I need to fix.
Got 3 more errors today all HPF and on different rigs so I think I'll drop that project all together.:shrug:
Pending is dropping fast, four pages and thats good:)
Is there any other way of checking monthly production than on free-dc? Last updated month is January in my case... I added few new hosts recently (16 threads) and wanted to see how it compares to my "peak" from 2010.
The stats on the WCG site go back to the day you joined. You can set many days to display per page and take it from there.
I can do similar on free-dc and add using calculator last 28 days which are always displayed. But I want to see monthly cummulative score as at the bottom of my profile page on free-dc. The data in this plot is only until January. I already know that in March I will hit my highest monthly score (did the math with calculator...).
I don't know about getting to see that on the Free-DC site but I just did a quick check and you can copy all your data off the WCG site, save it as a text file, then move that data to a spreadsheet and chart it yourself.
... and this is soooo much work ;)
JK, will do that later.
Try this link when you are logged into WCG as yourself. You can get to this by going to your WCG My Grid and scroll down to where is says 14 records. Look for this:Quote:
Originally Posted by ggdh
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5127/capture15in.jpg
Does the weak account key in your WCG account allow someone to use that as a password?
No. Some one that has your weak key can only attach computers to your account.
And when you change your password for WCG, your weak key should change too. And the old weak key stops working.
So you are the only one with full control over your account.
Ok, so how do I have someone attach to my project. Do I just give them my username and my weak key and they can plug that into the BOINC client and start crunching?
Only the weak key.
Have a look at this post from Bobsama. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5054807
You have to change the weak key ofcourse and maybe the location of the Boinc folder.
The first one worked perfect form me on Windows.
Just joined today, now I need to find out what to do to participate in Supercomputer Week: May 1-7 2012, or is it just automatic so long as the machine is on and the software active ?
It's not relevant that I joined with a username different from the forum is it ?
Thanks for helping! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by illogical
If you installed BOINC, picked WCG and joined the XS team your all set.
Names don't matter, thats up to you..
Any issues yell and one of the crazed people here will help..
As long as your Projects tab lists the name you signed up with and says XtremeSystems, then you're all good:Quote:
Originally Posted by illogical
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And on your Tasks tab you have WUs and they say Running, all good :up:
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Make sure and go into the Computing Preferences and set it to crunch 100%:
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Hey, s_b, can you add this to your list:
WCG Signature Request [post a reply to get WCG signature made]
Hi guys i was wondering if this sounds right
I'm running a i5 3570k @4.3ghz and I'm exterminating that I'm getting about 25000 points per day does this seem right see pic below
PS I'm only running 1 pc I'm not running 8 this is because of installing wcg onto other rigs as i am upgrading
THANKS :) happy crunching i know i am now with ivy bridge
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One problem could be wcg itself, the server has been down a lot the last few days. If you lowered the cache to less than a day it may have run out work. Your points started to ramp up and then fell off http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?p...cg&name=681456 Other than that maybe a temp issue?
im not sure if im getting good points for my cpu but overheating is not the problem max temp is 68c but normally about 63-65cQuote:
Originally Posted by Moo
i know boinc give lower scores than wcg but all i know is im getting much highr score per day even when i had a core i7 920@4.0ghz
that is what i seem strange
the web link i have never used before so i dont understand it to be honest but as long as im getting good points that's all im really bothered about :)
i have noticed that the servers have been down seems strange thay must be doing maintenance or something
Check to make sure WCG is set to run using all available CPU cores and that its set to use the computer while in use and 100% of CPU time. Set it both in your WCG preferences and in the client :toast2:
I have done thatQuote:
Originally Posted by retro77
i have been using wcg for a while now im just wondering for a quad 4.3ghz cpu is about 22-25000 points on wcg site normal (not boinc)
thanks
ok guys i have had an upgrade i have gone from a 3570k to a 3770k im really wanting to run 4.5ghz but im a little worried about temps.
Im getting on average 75-80c with 100% with wcg with cpuid using 1.272 but i was wondering wold you guys run this overclock or wold you back it off
i can run 4.2ghz with a max core temp of 72c
ps this is for games as well so i can leave the clock speed alone
what do you think?
Honestly, it's probably smart to back off of it a bit, 80C is pretty high... and I think everyone else here will pretty much agree with that...Quote:
Originally Posted by rubber5
But since you asked (:rofl:), yes, I would run it like that... I've run chips hotter than that until failure, but then again I'm not shy about the possibility of killing chips. At that temperature though, you WILL see degradation.
ok i will back it off then thanks cant really afford to replace a £280 cpu at the mo lol
i cant believe some peapole don't mind killing cpu's i cant understand how they can afford it
IMHO I would tone it down till temps are in the 60's..Quote:
Originally Posted by rubber5
That's just my opinion and many Thanks for helping..
What do you use for cooling, rubber5?
also
I think that your volts seem a bit high for that speed (maybe because of the temps though)
Of course he doesn't use rubber, thats a very poor cooling material...:sofa:Quote:
Originally Posted by OldChap
Ignore him ^^ he only knows one use for rubber anyways :rofl:
While we are on the subject MM, How many condoms can you make from an old tire?
365 if it is a Goodyear Boom Boom
lol rubber its good for some things :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OldChap
back to the point im using a prolimatech megahalem black with 2x corsair 120mm sp performance fans push pull
if i go any lower with the volts even 0.010 it bsods or i get errors i must just have a crappy chip as soon as the cpu hits 83c the fans go up to full speed 2200rpm but it normaly hovers around 1600 rpm if you know what i meen
that is a spectacular come back love it lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by OldChap
How about posting some proof that this program has actually ever done anything?
Such as coming up with a list of diseases cured, treatments created and whatever else this program supposedly does?
I've never seen or heard a mention of this program, anywhere, except on forums trying to get people to install programs like this with no proof, whatsoever, that it actually has accomplished anything, at any time, in any way.
I used to crunch numbers for the now defunct "Find a Drug" program. They regularly posted proveable results as to what our work actually accomplished.
Using our time and money running programs for some unknowable reason with no mention of any proveable results really doesn't make any sense.
For all we know, we could be figuring actuarial tables for some large insurance company, figuring odds for the Las Vegas mafia or some other scam.
This is why I haven't installed or ran any such program since the "Find a Drug" project ended.
So how's about you start a stickied thread showing exactly what this program has accomplished and/or is actually accomplishing?
Start with real world treatments and cures that directly arose from this program.
BTW, no, I'm not trolling. I'm just looking for proof.
It's easier to sell something if you can actually show the customer what they're buying into.
3.45 seconds in google. You can do the same for any other project run via WCG:
http://cleanenergy.harvard.edu/docum...unications.pdf
http://cleanenergy.harvard.edu/docum...P_overview.pdf
Have you actually read, and understood, the title of this thread?
It certainly doesn't tell me "Everything You Need To Know About World Community Grid/BOINC".
All the info about the projects is on the world community grid website. Click on the project you are interested in and then click on news and it will have latest update on the project.Quote:
Originally Posted by kzinti1
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/re...AllProjects.do
Now guys, lets be our usual nice and polite selves shall we?
There are always people that are skeptical and thats fine by me.
No one wants to do something without some assurance that they aren't wasting there time.
Now to the gentleman in question, please do a little reading at the WCG site and then feel free to ask or PM me any questions.
If your still uncomfortable with this then no problem at all, just don't run it.
Actually the title is correct and understand that the meaning had to do with installing and running the app not explaining all the points and goals. BUT I do see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by kzinti1
Ok folks, I cleaned this thread a bit as it seems with this gentleman we've gotten off on the wrong foot.
I would remind everyone that at least to me when new people come into this thread they are to be treated like guests in ones home.
With courtesy and respect.
Hello dear,Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
what the hell our we all doing here ????? :rofl:
guys when is the next super computer week