I need my USB sticks to flash.....ahh the joys of tuning my ram all over again...people won't hear from me for another 3 days once I flash.......
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I need my USB sticks to flash.....ahh the joys of tuning my ram all over again...people won't hear from me for another 3 days once I flash.......
I'm gonna take this advice Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
GL
jonspd
I'm on 1.3, no problems with a USB keyboard. I flashed using a bootable USB stick.
Currently I'm dialing in my CPU OC, it wouldn't boot at 4GHz even with 1.55 volts so I backed off :( I really wanted 4GHz. I have a suicide run at 3.914 which only took 1.46v to do, so considering the giant jump of volts it was taking to even get it to show the windows load bar for a second I think I'm at a wall on this chip. Unless there is something to tinker with more in the bios that I'm missing (easy for me to do, I'm a noob at this lol).
Max safe 24/7 volts on these 955's is what, up to 1.5V? Less? My VID was 1.35. I'm at 3.817 with 1.47V priming at the moment, it may take 1.5V to be fully stable.
*edit* I'm at 1.5V now for 3.8GHz, priming. So far, it makes it through a couple tests on blend or large FFTs then BSOD.
I'll post some pics later....
did u try setting acc to "auto"...Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
i have to set acc on auto to be stable at 3.8ghz with 1.48v (cpu-z reads 1.45v).
i can even run occt for about 30mins at 3.9ghz before i get that bsod.
suicide screenshots of 4ghz are possible, but nothing else at that speed.. unfortunately.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Make sure your memory and nb are stable before clocking the cpu, I actually had a hard time getting mine to run stable at stock speeds! Oddly mine only wanted to run stable with a high nb speed (2800mhz):shrug: and a big bump in PLL voltage. Getting into windows with the multi set higher than 20 fails every time but I managed 4.218ghz (valid) by raising the bus speed and 4.44ghz without a validation. With vcore it seems that less is more sometimes with these chips, find out how low you can run prime stable at stock speeds and you might be in for a shock. Mine runs stable at 1.1v for stock and 1.4v for 3.8.
What memory and speeds are you running anyway? I have a 2x2gb kit of ocz running 1600mhz 7-7-7-24 1T @ 1.95v and have a set of 1800mhz cas 8 crucials coming friday to try a little bus clocking with. I tried running the low speed tight timing bit as people have said to but the performance hit was really bad... 6-6-6-18 1T 1333mhz gives far worse results than 7-7-7-24 1T 1600mhz.
Flashed to 1.3 last night. SNiiPE DoGG was right, flashing with the M-Flash utility in the BIOS with a USB stick was easy as pie. Only took about 45 seconds. Will toy around with it tonight to see how it performs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Was toying with these two configurations some the other night on my CAS6 1333 Reapers. Integer performance difference was rather negligible, but I didn't do much testing with bandwidth differences as I was still feeling for stability. Which tests did you run to measure the differences?Quote:
Originally Posted by hellcamino
Everest memory benchmark and much more informallly, gaming performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlawleZ
Hellcamino - how big a bump in voltage did you have to put into PLL?Quote:
Originally Posted by hellcamino
Did you use PLL to gain stability in your CPU Overclocks or NB?
- Ton
I bumped the PLL just trying to get it to run stable at stock speed initially! Small fft's would fail in under 2 minutes at stock with PLL left on auto, I worked it up to a bit over 2.6v IIRC. I can't check the bios until tommorow as I have the machine torn down to put together a real lcs for it. I did notice that it took less vcore to run a given speed afterwards and the cpu-z reported vcore was much closer to bios setting with less apparent sag under load.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
Hellcamino,Quote:
Originally Posted by hellcamino
Thanks for the info. I belive stock PLL is like 2.4 ~ 2.5v. Whenver you get a chance to get the info, that woudl be cool. Anything that can lower vCore is of interests :)
Thanks again.
-Ton
That should be tommorow evening as I am waiting only on a pump, everything else is ready to go again on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
Everything was solid at stock speeds. I put the NB and HT link at 2400 and made sure that was stable before I started on the CPU. Good idea on the PLL, I have no idea what that voltage is for but I'll mess with it!Quote:
Originally Posted by hellcamino
Once I get the CPU solid I'll play with ram clocking some more. My set doesn't seem to take to 1600 too easily though. I have G.Skill F3-10666CL7D-4GBPI. I wanted the OCZ reapers from newegg that were CL6 and cost like 65 bucks, as I knew those were some good d9s, but they were OOS when I ordered and I had to order then if I wanted the "open box" (new) gd70 for cheap.
Well upping PLL has stabilized it a little bit, it makes it through test 4 or 5 on prime blend with vcore at 1.5 (anything lower and instant crash starting prime) and PLL at 2.582, but then ends up with either a BSOD or a reboot. That seems a bit off to me, I figured once it was stable enough to run some testing I'd figure prime would give an error before an all-out crash.
Still tinkering...
Mine was doing the same thing before I made sure that it was prime stable to begin with. Try more PLL voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
how much is safe? 2.602 got me a bit farther but still rebooted on me.
FIIK ? I have mine at 2.68v I think but tbh mine is a secondary pc, if it would oc worth a damn in 64 bit I would run it as my main gaming pc but it hits a wall quickly. I will give the 64 bit one more try but I'm not holding my breath on it working well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Well I set to 2.62 PLL and 1.51 vcore.... if this fails, I may start from scratch and run my ram/NB stability testing all over again.
I knew going in that I was probably going to get an ok chip not a great clocker, my last CPU I bought that overclocked really well was my opteron 165 and that was only because I knew what stepping to look for and paid a little extra to get it :lol2:
*edit* made it through prime blend tests 1-9, started test 10 and a bit later puked out a BSOD. Sigh.
What is that 64 bit wall ? You mean the Phenom clocks less in 64 bit windows ? That doesn't make any sense...
No, it just requires more vcore to do so and run stable apparently. The only actual wall I have run into has been when attempting to exceed 20x multi.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboDiv
The wall will come down to cooling from what I have seen so far.
Any CPU is like that... 64 bit OS is more stressful than 32 bit OS, since it uses the entire CPU. 32 bit like XP doesn't quite use the whole CPU so it is easier to get a higher overclock on 32 bit XP or Vista than 64 bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurboDiv
I never noticed this with any of my intel cpu's, I am guessing this is due to the difference in the way that intel and AMD handle instructions for 64 bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Nah I noticed it with my q6600. 3.4GHz 1.45V in XP 32, but when I went to 64 bit vista I could only do 3.2GHz at the same voltage. It was going to take more than 1.5V to get 3.4GHz back again.Quote:
Originally Posted by hellcamino
I've got my 955 back at stock, CPU NB and HT are at 2600. Going to run prime overnight to be sure NB/HT are fine.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
I never noticed tbh, I tested my Q6600 and my X3360 many times and they always seemed to need the same amount of vcore to run at a given speed, I used XP 32 - 64 and Vista 32-64. Running Vista 64 seems to involve a lot of BSOD's at just above stock speeds (3.5-3.8ghz), I haven't tried running XP 64 yet on this system. How does this platform handle a pair of 4870X2's...Anyone?
Now i can relate to the whole situation.. My E6600 in the signature used to be clocked at 3.32 Ghz in Win XP 32bit prime stable for 48 hours, but as soon as i moved to Vista 64bit i noticed that it wasn't stable anymore at 3.32Ghz. At the time i thought it was simply some dust accumulation on my cooler which might have resulted in higher temperatures so i lowered it to 3.28 and forgot about it. Than the next thing i noticed was that Intel Burn test 64bit was "advertised" as the more demanding test for CPU stability than the 32bit test. It all kind of makes sense now...;)
Hey Sparky.. just curious.. have you watched the temp level, and voltages during the prime? The BSOD might be caused by a droop on vCore.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
- Ton
Temps were 50 or below the whole time (I'm on water). Volts in CPU-Z were around 1.5 under load. Actual volts, I'm not sure, I haven't poked around the board with my DMM.
With the CPU at stock, ram at stock, and the NB and HT at 2600 prime ran 5 hours last night, then failed. No BSOD or reboot, just a failure. "Round was .498733611, expected less than .4" or something like that. Then a little bit later the program stopped responding according to Windows. Time to fiddle with some NB/HT volts and stuff. I want this perfectly solid darnit :D
I can confirm that NB vid overvolts or at least was on 13B6....Measure at the read point near debug LED ;)
CPU_NB on 1.3 is about right. CPU vcore is actually low by 0.011. The other three points are under the heatpipe - nice design :rolleyes:
LOL I can see it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
User - I would like to request RMA?
MSI - What appears to be the problem?
User - My vdimm is undervolting very bad
MSI - How did you determine this?
USER - I pulled the heatpipe assembly and measured with DMM
MSI - Can I have your serial #?
User - Sure XXXXXXXXXXXXX
MSI - Thank you but we can not process your RMA request due to you voiding warranty by removing heatpipe assembly
:rofl::ROTF:
But it should drop to actual BIOS setting under load, if not, I need to speak with them again. My board does that on 137/1.3 and the latest beta the last time I measured it, but it is on purpose, just like Vdroop on Core VID is really our friend. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Yah I haven't tested it on the latest bios yet bingo, when I get a chance I will load it up with the DMM on.....
Vdroop doesn't bother me really, as long as its consistent throught the entire range of voltages....
Poor voltage regulation like on the asus ddr II is what bothers me.....Droop all the time is a hell of alot better than voltages running away on you.
At stock, vcore in bios set to 1.35, I get 1.339 measured, vdroop brings it down to 1.333 under load. I'll keep checking that when I start upping volts but if that stays the same then when I was set at 1.51 that actual vcore under load was approximately 1.495 or so... interesting.
I'm getting a NB voltage reading of 1.245 under load as well. Set it to 1.21 in the bios IIRC. So that overvolts by 0.035 when under load, at idle it is almost spot on. Very interesting...
Wonder what the HT voltage is doing? I have that set at 1.21 in the bios right now. Too bad that is under the heatpipe :rolleyes:
sparkyjjo?
u didnīt answer me if u enabled acc...
iīm asking this because i get bsods when itīs disabled.
1.5v is definetly too much for 3.8ghz.
Oh sorry, yes I tried it and it actually ended up slightly more unstable. Instant crash as soon as I started prime95 instead of waiting a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDias
Guys i got my UD70 + CPU but my ram will come Monday :(. The batch number of CPU is CACYC AC 0911EPDW. Any of you heard something about that batch # ?
Mine is similar, CACYC AC 0913FPMW. I don't know anything about what is good and what's not though :shrug:
This is my 3.914GHz suicide shot when I had no idea what I was doing :p: now that I'm starting over on the OC maybe I'll get close to this stable... Or at least full 4GHz+ suicide.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...kyJJO/3914.jpg
In other news, I got my NB and HT 6 hours prime stable at 2600. I needed a slight bump on the HT voltage :doh: Maybe that's why everything was willy nilly unstable earlier :hitself:
Next up, RAM or CPU.... Hm..
Hey Guys.. finally want to share some results with everyone on this board. Earlier this week, I basically went back to the drawing board. I am starting my tweaking from scratch to see what I can do to improve my performance with this board. Now understanding more the impact of NB Speed and Keeping the IMC Happy, i started my adventure all over again :)
It was really funny, I had my ram speed really fast and tight. It was able to run through 3d Benches without a problem at all. So I figured i was golden. I then try to run Spi32m at those speeds, and Super Pi would just not run, after hitting "GO". I mean.. no errors.. just hang. WIndows worked just fine. I have never seen this type of problem before. With SuperPi, I use to either getting an error like "Not Exact Round" or BSOD. I really thought my SuperPi was corrupt at first. But after tweaking a bit more.. it was all RAM related. Crazy stuff.
So I spent the last two nights tweaking the ram, with the CPU on phase. So here is the best SPi32 I was able to get with my memory:
860Mhz 6-5-5-15-22-1T
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...N_860_Cas6.jpg
I also wanted to see what the max speed I was able to achieve period. So relaxed the memory and cranked up the HT.
952Mhz 9-11-11-29-40-1T
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...952_Spi32m.jpg
Please ignore the times in SuperPi. I was not trying to complete it fast, but wanted to make sure the memory was stable enough to pass those benches. I believe I was running between 4.2 and 4.3Ghz.
Now Memory is done.. time to move on to NB :)
- Ton
952 32M stable is just AMAZING :eek:
Uncle bingo knows best ;) Guess my tips helped you out Titon.
Be carefull with those d9's I kept running 32m and they degraded and would no longer pull 6-5-5 thus my 6-6-5 timings I use now.
Massman - Thank you :) I can probalby push higher, but wasn't really trying. I think I started upping the the HT for the heck of it.. and it finally crashed at like 960 ~ 970. Didn't try to run Spi32m beyond 952.. I just wanted that whole number of 1900Mhz.. versus 1898.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Hey Chew.. i'm done running SPi 32m.. I can't stand it.. I get bored out of my mind :P So there will be no more SPi32m runs for a while. I made sure to stock up on the memory. I have 5 other sticks ;) Lost 1 stick already to condensation :PQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Going to play w/ NB on phase, but don't think i will get much due to temps..
But I do have somethign else to dial in on water ;)
Hopefully LN2 on Sat and on Sunday.
- Ton
Higher than 960MHz? Or crashing right at 960?
Yep, running 32mPI is about as exciting as watching paint dry....Unfortunately I have found it a necessary evil to dial the ram in perfect....
What you were experiencing was exactly what I have been talking about.....The IMC was not happy...and would most certainly hold you back in the high clocks department ;)
My new pump and ram showed up today! Once this thing is done bubbling I'll see what the new ram can do, it's Crucial 2x1gb PC3 14400 CAS 8.
Hey Massman - actually i really didn't pay attention. It was the last thing I did before going to bed :PQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
I will still be on phase tonight, while I work on something else. I will see what my max Spi32M is at that timing.
What is the highest you seen that is SPI32m stable on AM3?
Hey Chew - Cool. Great to hear. there maybe more in this CPU :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I do have a question.. Will upping my NB speed and volts TOO much have the same effect of not keeping the IMC Happy? I did notice on the GB mobo when I up the vNB too much, SPI32m didn't run. Even at Low NB Speeds. (p.s. I hate bios that say +.01v, and don't tell you what the starting voltage is)
Well.. hopefully keeping everything spi32m happy, i will be able to hit 6Ghz bench.. if I can.. there will be some interesting results by Monday :)
- Ton
952MHz actually ... but the number 960 is pretty interesting as there are some rumours.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
How much tweaking was involved in getting 952 stable? Just relax timings, phase and some volts?
Hey Massman. Well.. for tweaking.. i wouldn't say "much" tweaking.. just need to not go crazy and change everything. No shotgun approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
I will give a shot to see if I can get higher the 960. As for the timing I used for 952.. that was spd at whatever I booted at.
Lets see if over 960 will be possible.
- Ton
Should an "Athlon II X2 250" or "Phenom II x2 550" work on this motherboard without a BIOS update? If not I am kinda in trouble:rofl:
EDIT: even is a CPU is "incompatible" due to old BIOS, could I still flash the motherboard or would I need an older AM3 CPU to get it working?
Hey Guys..
Wanted to share my results with my memory testing with this board. Massman.. do you mind PM'ing me and sharing your insight on that 960 Mem thing? It apparently appears to be real.
I was not able to run Spi32m at 960. It was VERY flakey. Sometime I hit 960 and it locked.. some time it didn't. I am sure it would not be able to run 32m w/o some tweaking, which I didn't do. I was able to run Spi1m at that speed. At 964 it locked up no matter what.
People might say that the 960 is the limitation of my ram, which I can say is definitely not. If I can runs the speeds I listed at 952 / 956.. a 960+ run should have been possible. 960+ may be possible w/ more / heavy tweaking and more voltage.. but I was getting bored watching SPi32 m. :P
So :banana::banana::banana::banana: ain't crap w/o screen shots.. so here goes :) Side note - All ram was at 2.2 ~ 2.3 volts. I thought adding voltage would help, but it really didn't. I think I ran higher volts on one, and lower on the other. I am sure it would have all been stable at the lower volts, but wanted to factor out volts as being the limiter.
Spi 32 Cas 9 @ 956Mhz (2.2v ~ 2.3v)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...M_956_Cas9.jpg
Spi 32 Cas 7 @ 952Mhz (2.2v ~ 2.3v)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...M_952_Cas7.jpg
Spi 1m Cas9 @ 960Mhz (2.2v ~ 2.3v)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...M_960_Cas9.jpg
Spi 1m Cas7 @ 960Mhz (2.2v ~ 2.3v)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...M_960_Cas7.jpg
I really have a feeling I might be able to do like 900+Mhz w/ Cas 6-7-7. Might have to give that a try.
Let me know if you guys have any questions.
- Ton
PS - its a pain to try to crank up NB Speed on phase :P Should be going to LN2 tonight, to see if I can any increase stability on my CPU/NB for 3d Benching.
This G.Skill isn't too great it seems, it fails to POST at 1600, even with a voltage bump or relaxing the timings a little. Seems that 2 of 3 G.Skill kits I've had haven't overclocked worth a crap (the 3rd one, I'm not sure how much it does since I was CPU limited). I wish that OCZ reaper hadn't been OOS. Oh well. I do know I can at least tighten timings some.
At 1.38 set in the bios I get 1.36 under load measured with the DMM. 3.6GHz clock speed set by multi x18. Running prime now, just started test 7 of blend 1024k. If this is stable, I'll work my way towards 3.8GHz+. If not, I'll see what the vcore is at idle. Either vdroop is more or the offset from bios setting to actual voltage is more.
I think the main thing I don't like about overclocking is how much waiting there is, I can be impatient at times :D
I think you will find that as you increase NB you will have to back down your ram speed.......as its driving your ram harder........that could explain your higher than avg ram speeds.........Quote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
I have no issues cranking NB on an ancient mach 1.........I suggest your try bringing it up to 3000 and restest your ram speeds before you waste LN2.
Hey Chew.. I was did test NB on Phase last night.. I was doing 3Ghz NB just fine. I am sure I will have to turn down ram speed when I crank up NB, but I need to do it under LN2.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I need to see how fast my ram can be when NB is at 4Ghz+, which I can't do on Phase.
So we will see how that goes tonight.
- Ton
If you were pulling 3000NB at that ram speed on phase and it ran 32m with the CPU clocks high you will not have to back off at all ;) 3000-3200 is max stable your going to get on phase for NB.......needs more cold to scale even on DI thats almost the limit unless you sacrifice CPU speed....... say 4400 CPU and 3500 NB or you can run 5gig with 3000NB, 5000 CPU is obviously faster for DI ;)
LN2 really wakes it up.
Have fun.
We'll, there's nothing more I'm allowed to tell you ... but frankly, there's nothing more to say than what you already said yourself: there's a limitation around 960MHz and it's definitly not the memory or any other overclocked components.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
There's no easy solution to this problem.
crazy good clocks with stability. these are not stable as chew* has beaten into my head but 900+ is possible @cas 6 mine were again not stable with these clocks but i was able to get SS of themQuote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
http://img.techpowerup.org/090525/Capture018.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090525/Capture015.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/090525/Capture016.jpg
wow CDA that is some really nice work there! what ram sticks are those?
they are D9JNL based crucial value PC8500Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
and the sticks were under DICE and vdimm was 2.4v-2.44v
oh well that explains alot :p:
here are pics from itQuote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...85#post3818585
Hey CDAWall,
Very nice cas 6 @ 900. I didn't try pushing it much over 2.2volts for tweaking at cas6. I found cas 6 @ 860 to be the sweet spot in regards to voltage. I will probably try to kick it up higher, but don't feel like scaraficing the rams this early in the game :) Need too many other things to tweak first. Once everything is all dialed in.. going crazy a/ the voltages :)
- Ton
I must be doing something wrong as I can't get a bus clock stable, I've tried everything I can think of and finally gave up and just went for a high nb + ram clock with decent timings. Is there some setting that I am just missing here?
3.6GHz stable with 1.38V BIOS (1.36 actual under load) for over 3 hours on prime. Tweaked the PLL voltage a tad. Bumped the multi up to 19 for 3.8GHz and it is a no go again, I've been fiddling with vcore and PLL volts and even NB a little and getting nowhere :shrug:
Considering it took only a small bump to get 3.6GHz, I feel I must be doing something wrong.
I swapped out the 2x2gb kit of ocz 1600 and put in a 2x1gb kit of 1800 and it seems to like the 2x1 kit of Crucial much better, currently priming 3.8ghz (200x19) ,NB at 2.8ghz (200x14), and DDR3 at 1600mhz 7-6-6-18 1T (unganged). Any bus clocking I've tried has resulted in instability, I've even underclocked the cpu and run the nb and ht at stock with the ram at 1333mhz 8-8-8-24 and still fails as low as 205mhz so I'm thinking I must be missing something as well.
Hey Guys,
Ok.. last night i was on LN2 w/ the MSI and the 955. I spent most of the night trying to dial in the ram and mem under cold. So here is the results. Just to let you know the Spi run was not optimized (no tweaks, no waza, no services stop, priotiziation, or affinity).
SPi32M @ 5.625Ghz, Mem Running 900Mhz Cas 6, NB @ 4.275.
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/...Mhz_4200NB.jpg
Finally starting to get the hang of the MSI mobo :)
- Ton
Should be a sick time if you can get the clocks up to 6 gig man :up:
Looks like there might be something on the horizon for us nuts if you know what I mean as well ;)
what volts on the ram for that? and was just the chip on cold?
Thanks chew :) We will see what I can do at 6Ghz.. if I can get there :P I want sub 12min run. Will see if I have time to try tonight, or maybe tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Umm.. what is on the horizon? Sorry.. so many converstation.. I am now pretty dense :P
cdawall. I believe the mem was at 2.3.. I think I could have done it at 2.2v.. but didn't want to have volt as a stability issue, since I hate going like 8 min into SuperPi.. then it crashes. As for the cooling for the ram.. I only have a 120mm fan on it, and whatever cool breeze from the LN2 pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
- Ton
So any of you flashed from BIOS 1.0 to BIOS 1.3B7 directly using the M-FLASH ?
I went from 1.0 to 1.3B6 directly.
I will be trying to go from 1.0 to 1.3B7 directly with the M-flash as soon as i have my system up and running. If the thing gives me an error it wont start flashing right, unless i force it to ? I mean if i get that "ID error" from a few pages back it will not continue unless i force it to ?
Very good run i sold my D9GTS otherwise i would see how they clockedQuote:
Originally Posted by TiTON
3.6GHz stable. 3.7GHz, bsod, reboot, etc.... bump volts, still does it. What gives.... Ram is all stock timings and volts, but I haven't messed with bus speeds. Possible that a subtiming needs adjusted or something?
*edit* fiddled some more, I've got it priming 3.7GHz for the past hour and 45. Volts are 1.43 bios, 1.41-ish real under load. Tinkered with the CPU-NB volts, PLL volts, and the RAM PHY (I think it was) voltages a tad. Can't remember exact numbers without looking it up in the bios. Going to let it prime overnight and see where we stand in the morning, whether still going, failed, or BSOD/rebooted. Then go from there, hopefully pushing towards 3.8+GHz! :D
*edit 2* Well it rebooted sometime last night. But I got a few hours of prime out of it at least. Needs more tinkering. I wish it would just error and not reboot the system like that :rolleyes:
can some please help me clock mine pleasessssss
this is my spec
MSI 790FX-GD70
Coolermaster V10
Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz
Corsair 4GB Modules ddr3 1600
HD 4890
would be very very greatful once again thank you :D
There really isn't much to it depending on how far you want to go. You could probably hit 3.6-3.7ghz on stock volts so all you have to do is increase the multiplier and test for stability.
oh really how far can i go with the stuff i've got sorry to sound stupid just new to AMD thats all
I know it's a long thread, but take the time to read through it a little. You'll get a sense of what's possible on a 955 with this board. You have a hybrid tec/air cooler so you'll be able to use more volts safely than air cooling but every chip is different. With that cooler and a methodical approach, I figure you can get a 4ghz overclock but as always ymmv.
nice i was also thinking around that too
This board takes some fiddling with nicky, set your cpu vdd around 1.25 and your cpu-nb vdd at about 1.2v and run small fft's for about 15 minutes to ensure that you have enough vcore to start with, if it fails small fft's give it a bit more cpu vdd. Set your PLL volts to about 2.7v to start and set your ram for about .05v higher than rated, set ram timings to advertised timings and speed and see if you can run prime blend for an hour. If it passes start working up your nb speed to about 2600-2800mhz and make sure that it still passes prime, you will probably need to raise your cpu-nb vdd voltage setting a bit once you get the nb higher than about 2400mhz. Once you find a happy spot there , try bumping the reference clock over 200 by small increments and test for stability using prime blend again, you will probably need to raise cpu vdd at some point here too. Once you find the sweet spots for nb, ram and bus clock you should try bumping the multiplier by stages and testing for stability, you will certainly need to add some vcore by the time you get over 3.6ghz but don't go crazy as these chips really don't seem to need much, mine is stable at 3.8ghz with 1.4v under load. PLL volts will help you with stability but I don't know where the "safe zone" ends, mine is at 2.8v. NB chipset voltage ended up about 1.36v and the reason for setting your ram voltage a little high is that I think this board undervolts your ram but by all means test at lower voltage and if your ram is stable then you are good to go!
Some of this may not be the best advice but information sharing seems to be pretty lacking from the AMD crowd here, I'm actually very disappointed by this. Good luck, take your time and if you get frustrated just walk away from it for a bit! The only other advice I would give is to redo the TIM on the board as it will drop your temps by quite a bit but make sure that you have good heatsink to board contact when you do this, I still had good contact on mine after removing the thermal pad from the mosfet cooling portion. Adding a small fan over the top of your nb will also work wonders for your temps.
Spent the evening yesterday to mount my new toy:
Phenom II x2 550BE (Athlon II x2 250 will arrive next week)
MSI 790FX-GD70
Crucial BallistiX 1333mhz CL6 1.8v D9JNL
So now a quicky what BIOS is best, is it the 1.3B7 and where can I download all the Beta BIOSes?
You can get the latest bios from...... :eek::eek::eek: MSI. 1.3 is the current stable release I think.
i've already updated bios frist thing i did
Smartidiot89: FWIW, I always found this site to be the best for MSI Betas....Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
http://msi-forum.de/index.php?page=T...threadID=89852
It's all in German, so use the translator of your choice, and as always be careful, but I never trashed an MSI board using their bios.. ;)
Of course there is always the risk with betas, so be careful!
I'm running into the exact same thing. I've tried bumping PLL to ~2.6 and CPU VDD to 1.4375. ~3.6 is fine at 1.4 CPU vdd and auto volts everywhere else. What have you found that wants to be pushed for going past 3.7Ghz? Are you on stock HSF too?Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
There is nothing wrong, the CPUFrequency>voltage scale gets quite scary especially if you are using V64 or W7 64. I can run silly low voltages at 3.2GHZ, and it scales linear as i push the frequency higher until 3.8GHZ, then it jumps up....push to 4ghz and you need a massive increase.
its just how the cpu works
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
You know it's kind of funny that you mention the 64 bit thing, I had initially ordered a 2x2gb kit of OcZ and the board/cpu wouldn't oc worth a crap and was unstable at stock speeds even. I installed XP32 on it and still couldn't get anywhere with it! I had previously tested the ram and it passed memtest without issue but I didn't test one stick at a time, I popped in a couple different sticks of ram and it opened up a whole new world for this thing. Once I found stable settings with a reasonable overclock (3.8ghz cpu -2.8ghz NB- 1600mhz mem) I reinstalled vista 64, updated the os and started running prime95. When I initially got the oc stable I had done it by bumping vcore one notch at a time until it passed prime...It still passes prime in vista 64 at the exact same settings too. IMO a lot of these IMC's have a hard time with 2gb sticks as I see a lot of peeps with problems getting any decent oc when using them except those using extreme cooling. As of now if I back any one voltage down the pc will fail prime just as it would in xp32 so the 64 bit excuse is just that...an excuse, one I used briefly too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
3.7GHz bombed on me again. I'm at 3.6GHz rock solid stable now with only minor voltage adjustments. I got tired of tinkering for now, I wanted to use my PC :lol2: I'll play with it more later.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlawleZ
I'm on water by the way. Load at 3.6GHz is around 52C and that is with my 4870 dumping its heat into the loop as well.
Yeah, I'm the same way. I get to spending an hour or so at a time overclocking and tweaking, and I get frustrated or just lose patience and want to actually use it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
You're on water and seeing 52C load? At what voltage and what program are you using to monitor temps? With AOD and Coretemp I've yet to see over 42C at 1.4000 in BIOS which is ~1.392 in Windows. Ambient room temp is 24C (75F). However, these were with 32M runs testing stability. That's only single threaded so maybe I should double check with a multi-threaded such as NuclearMC or 3DMark06.
Multithreaded will create much more heat because of using all 4 cores vs just the one.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlawleZ
I'm using coretemp to monitor. Volts are 1.39 BIOS, 1.37-ish under load (measured with DMM, CPU-Z reads a little higher than actual). The gd70 with 1.3 bios shows temps on the board as well but it reads 1-2C higher than coretemp does. Remember I have my 4870 in the loop as well, under load. If I drop the 4870 to idle I cut a few degrees off the CPU temp.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlawleZ
Haha! Running 32M mine won't break 32c (core temp) at 1.41v load in cpu-z but Prime95 will crack that thing right up over 50c if I don't crank up my radiator fans a bit! Check your temps with a real load like that and see what you are getting as that may well be part of the problem you are having. I am guessing that PLL volts would help you get past where you are stuck at now, try 2.7 or so. I'll be pushing mine a little further here shortly when more ram and proper radiator fans show up.
So what OS gives the best stable oc? is xp better then win 7 32 or xp 64Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Still haven't reverted back to xp yet win7 32 here.
i've given up i cant be assed anymore just use stock settings
What's the problem nicky? Are you saying you cant overclock your chip at all, or are you getting stuck getting past a particular frequency?
i'm not sure what i'm doing i'm use to overclocking Asus
1. You are using latest bios correct?
2. Cell menu uses +/- keys on number pad to change values for voltages
3. Set timings for ram manually and run at stock for now
4. Set Cpu vdd manually to 1.35v (you might be able to use less but start here for now)
5. Raise the cpu multiplier from x16 a full or half step
6. Test for stability
7. Repeat step 5 until you can't go any higher
8. Add voltage to go higher than step 7
9. If step 8 doesn't solve the problem add voltage to cpu-nb vdd in bios
10. Report back
good luck
also you know this is very strage i've got the latest bios on but its saying on AMD OverDrive i've got ddr 2 when i've got ddr 3 see for yourself
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...Untitled-1.png
I don't know about amd overdrive. I haven't had any luck with it working right for me so all my overclocking is done through bios.
really seem to tricky for me also what auto overclock tech
auto overclock is supposed to find the max htt overclock possible for your chip/board combo. Useful for people that have a locked multi to give you a rough estimate of the max over clock you can get for a particular voltage. The overclock knob on the board is for on the fly htt adjustment while in the OS. Nice features but I bought an unlocked multi chip because I don't want to mess with dividers and htt.
Any reason you are using that much voltage for your ram? 1.95v seems like a lot if you are running them stock. Did you fail prime bad rounding , bsod, lock up? what happened? What kind of load temps are you getting. 1.4v nb might be a little high. What kind of case temps/motherboard temps are you getting?