Retail Q9650 Overclocking Thread

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10-19-2008, 01:56 PM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by road-runner

Where are you in greenland or the northpole to get those temps on air?

i wish.. but if you guys wanna know: seattle area

4.9ghz @ 71 F ambient just like my 1st q9650

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

I have the eVGA 750i and I've hit a 470 FSB.. and could probably do more but not tried yet.. thats over 4.2 Ghz on my Q9650.. So my 750i is workin pretty good so far.

also to Napalm and all you others.. question. I see you said that your not sure anyone could hit 4.5 Ghz with a 500w PSU.. and I see your point. I have the Corsair HX520. I've heard they are really good PSU's. but today I saw something that worried me. I downloaded CPUID's HwMonitor. and the PSU voltages were NOT good. Here. check it out for yourself.

Now this is a SS of my system. with 4.0 Ghz at 444FSB.. with a 1:1 Divider and my GTX260 from 576MHz to 730 Mhz. (great Card.) and the temps.. bla bla bla.
Here's what worried me. I've said a few times before that my PSU's 12v rail was running at 11.92 but this is what HwMontitor reads.. NOT good. but could be wrong.

12v Rail is at 7.39v.. (Can't be right) I'd be having Major issues right? I just played 3 hours of HL2 EP1 with NO problems at 4.0 Ghz. There's no way it would be stable with 7.30v on 12v rail right?
then the 3.3 is at 3.0v thats ok i guess. then the 5v at 4.56. thats ok but could be better. (Are these wrong)

In the BIOS the 12v rail reads 11.92 instead of this 7.36v BS.. So I'm just not sure now. and Napalm, you said a 500w couldn't push 4.5 Ghz.. what would.. the Corsair Hx620.. or should I go bigger? 750, 800. and also do you think my current PSU is "NOT" enough.. or is it ok?

dont trust soft..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jor3lBR

Please use a multimeter to measure rails voltages (and make sure it has a good 9v. bat in it)...

thanks Jor3lBR

use a mm to monitor

520watt psu is not adequate for 4.5ghz.. no way no how unless its a godly 520watt psu

suggestion: 750watt pcpower&cooling

you know you dont have to buy more psu/mobo/cooler/what not.. like ive said in an earlier post.. enjoy the hardware/oc that you already got

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devious

If your name is NapalmV5 :p:

@ Bigslappy

Any luck getting near 500FSB with the EP45-UD3P ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

:rofl: guess i'll rename for NapalmV6 :rofl: then buy a Q9650, very lucky guy

cheers and congratz Nap for your B batches !

thanks

name/luck has nothing to do with 2 x q9650 @ 4.9ghz on air.. are you guys suggesting that i got 2 golden q9650 now? lol

how many q9650 do i have to show you guys @ 4.5/4.8/4.9ghz ? :D

while it may be my skillz.. if one of you would follow my foot steps.. you too would see how easy these clocks are :)
10-19-2008, 02:23 PM
Flinch

Hey guys,

I noticed cpu-z differs a fair bit from what I have cpu volts set at in the bios, which do you go by?
10-19-2008, 02:55 PM
NapalmV5

dont worry what vcore cpuz shows.. go by bios

multimeter @ chokes is another vcore monitor option
10-19-2008, 02:58 PM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by markost

Yeah, 780i boards good for about 440-450FSB, 790i boards a little better to around 475, some reports are higher but I'm yet to get one that does. Tried 3 Striker 2 Extremes and they all max'd out around 475 using 2 different QX9650's. Main thing though is that they become unstable at high (more than 4.2 GHZ) CPU speeds regardless of multi used. The good thing is that they are a genuinely fast boards although they don't overclock as well as P45, X38 or X48 chipsets.

Have 2 identical machines, one has a Striker 2 Extreme and the other a Rampage Extreme. The Rampage clocks noticeably higher and benches higher generally ( except memory read & latency ) , but the Striker based system is way faster in Windows and is game killer with 2 x GTX 280's. I have not tried any Crossfire setups so graphics performance may be equal to or better than an SLi setup !@!

Bottom line is........If you want bragging rights for overclocking ( and don't misunderstand here, the guys in this thread deserve all the praise we can bestow) go Intel chipset. If you want an extremely responsive system, go the 790i setup. Your clocks will definitely not be as high but Windows will be lightening fast when matched up with the right ancillary hardware. However, be warned that nVidia chipsets are not as easy to clock successfully as Intel. Be prepared for some painful episodes before you get it right, but it is worth it.

I've got a Gigabyte EP45T Extreme coming in tomorrow as that seems to be one of the favoured board's in this thread and I'll see how it performs. If it outperforms the Striker 2 Extreme ( in all around responsiveness and not purely overclocking numbers which I'm sure it will do easily ) then to quote NapalmV5 " I'll napalm ASUS" and move on.

Taking all into account though, I have not clocked either of these systems successfully over 4.5GHz ( with a quad that is ..) and big things happen speed wise when you get over that number with high FSB speeds..

thanks

interested/wanna see what your 2x qx9650 do on the ep45t extreme

im gettin the ep45t extreme tomorrow aswell
10-19-2008, 03:12 PM
Flinch

Thanks Napalm,

I'm perplexed as I set my vcore to 1.33 and under load (P95)with LLC off, cpu-z is showing 1.24 and that's the most vdroop I've ever had on any P35/X48.

This is using my UD3P.

I didn't re-install cpu-z after changing from my Q6600, I don't think that would make any difference.

That's where I'm scratching my head.

Edit: I'm also a little hesitant to use LLC on a regular basis as I can't make heads or tails if the *spike* theory is fact or fiction encompassed with degrading.

Setting 1.33 in the bios also shows 1.23-1.24 without load in cpu-z, so something is just not right here.
10-19-2008, 07:06 PM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathspine

markost could you share you bios settings for this nice overclock:up:. I just purchased a QX9650 and given the challange of getting this motherboard stable with a dual core, I should would like a head start with this quad core. I took me :shrug:a week to get this motherboard stable when I first got it. Thanks in advance.

http://markostnetworking.com/benching/Striker 2 Extreme/
10-19-2008, 07:09 PM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

thanks

interested/wanna see what your 2x qx9650 do on the ep45t extreme

im gettin the ep45t extreme tomorrow aswell

Be about 5 odd days till I get a chance though !
10-19-2008, 07:15 PM
road-runner

I have mine set at 1.375 bios, LLC disabled on the UD3P. Cpuz says 1.264 full load...
10-19-2008, 07:42 PM
Deathspine

Thanks MARKOST

Quote:

Originally Posted by markost

http://markostnetworking.com/benching/Striker 2 Extreme/

:)Thanks, this should be an excellent starting point. I have the same motherboard, memory and in a few days same cpu. Next weekend I will update my watercooling.:clap::clap::clap:
10-19-2008, 07:44 PM
Loque

screw the i7, I'll try to get a Q9550 E0 :p
10-19-2008, 11:38 PM
xguntherc

the 9550 E0's are being shipped from newegg now.. everyone's getting E0's is what I've heard.

thank you for the suggestions guys. So Napalm. your saying I should get the PC PC 750w PSU.. what about some other 750w.. or is PC P&C one of the best. I heard they were Godly LOUD.. and they are not modular so I'd have cables everywhere. but I can sacrifice some cables everywhere in order to hit 4.5 Ghz or more.. lol.

So you think a big part of my problem might be the fact that I only have a 520w PSU.. also do you think it could be causing any problems currently.. like do you think I'm maxing it out. right now.??

and how would I use the digital multimeter with my system still hooked up. or would I unplug that wire going to my Mobo and test it.. or what would I do there.. and so should I go by the 11.92 that I saw in my BIOS instead.. thats better, but not great. and don't worry. I'm enjoying my hardware right now. but I'm always wanting to change things and try new things and what not. i may, or may not get a new PUS. but I want to.. even more so if this one is getting maxed out.. also would a 750o PCP&C be enough for SLI 260's.
10-19-2008, 11:48 PM
xguntherc

oh and guys. question.

How well would a Swiftech 120.1 RAD and water cooling system with a ULTRA KAZE cool my Q9650. would it be better than my Tuniq, or a TRUE.. or no not really. I'm possibly going to trade someone his swifty 120.1 setup for some keyboard and mouse I have.. they are worth $100.. but I'm only paying $20 bucks for them.. so I know price wise it's a good deal. but will that cool good enough to make me happy.. or will it not be any better than current cooling? let me know please?

thanks!
10-20-2008, 12:00 AM
NapalmV5

xguntherc

the 520w psu/tuniq cooler is not enough for 4.5ghz..

once youll get a beefier psu/cooler than youll run into the mobo/chipset wall

if the 750i handles 500fsb great if not than your best shot is p45 and please no asus p45 if you want an easy 500x9
10-20-2008, 12:27 AM
xguntherc

Cool..

thanks for the straight answer.. I might need a new PSU then soon. lol. sadness.. also I'm lookin to go water, or get a TRUE.. is the IFX-14 better than the TRUE?
10-20-2008, 02:26 AM
SrgtGoat

thanks for all the input!!

Hey markost, lots of good advice! sounds like for me the rampage x would be the way to go for a noobie overclocker like myself, but a got a few Q's for ya:

is the qx worth the double price over the q?
ddr3 worth it or can i use my OCZ Reapers(2g ddr2 1066 pc8500)?
rampage good with sli(gtx280's)?

things i've read say the intel chips are easier to clock, (like you said) and that there friendlier to quads and sli, true?

one last Q, you have water cooling on your regulators??(what are those):shrug:

oh yeah from my last post i said about having a slot or vid card problem , confirmed! it's the flipin #1 slot on the board, guess i,m updateing sooner than i thought.

can't wait to get into this , those AMD numbers are SOOO weak compared to what you guys are gettin!! who cares if it's dollar for dollar the q6600 is just as good if not better and the Beater phemon 9850 is as good as it gets!!

time to step up! thanks again for the input ,

SG,
10-20-2008, 04:33 PM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by SrgtGoat

is the qx worth the double price over the q?
ddr3 worth it or can i use my OCZ Reapers(2g ddr2 1066 pc8500)?
rampage good with sli(gtx280's)?

one last Q, you have water cooling on your regulators??(what are those):shrug:
SG,

Only get a QX9650 if you can't get over 450 FSB and from what I see in this thread the Q9650 clocks way better. Yeah DDR3 is faster but also more expensive at this point.

SLi only with nVidia chipsets ( not for long though). Crossfire with Rampage.

I just received the Gigabyte EP45t - Extreme but won't get a chance to try it till later this week. NapalmV5 is on the ball here and I'm going to try his setup and see what happens, even if that means getting a Q9650 as well to see "exactly" how much better it clocks over the QX.
I seriously think that this is the last throw at socket 775 so it would pay to get the research right if you are going to fork out over 3k for hardware.

Regulator block is from Alphacool (old photo. using 3/8 tubing now)

Watercooling

Regulator Waterblock

Rampage / OCZ ReaperX

Striker 2 Formula / Reaper 9200
10-20-2008, 10:35 PM
xguntherc

I'd say get the Q9650.. it's E0 stepping is better than the QX.. and it can clock just as higher.. or higher.

also Markost. thats a crazy sweet H20 setup. i wish I had it. Did you see my post above. is the Swiftech 120.1 RAD and ULTRA KAZE any good. would it cool better than my Tuniq, or a TRUE. as I might get that setup. even though it's cheap and CPU only. I really wanna put water on my CPU. as the GFX card doesn't need it for now. but I don't have $300 to add water to this thing.
10-21-2008, 02:06 AM
vws

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loque

screw the i7, I'll try to get a Q9550 E0 :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

the 9550 E0's are being shipped from newegg now.. everyone's getting E0's is what I've heard.

I noticed that too. If the E0 Q9550 gets to reach the same FSB level as the Q9650 does, it'd sure be a great bargain (esp. for poor boys like me ;))!

Shall we include the Q9550/E0 discussion in this thread (needs to update the thread title then), or start a new thread focusing on the Q9550/E0 alone? Anyone?
10-21-2008, 02:47 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

name/luck has nothing to do with 2 x q9650 @ 4.9ghz on air.. are you guys suggesting that i got 2 golden q9650 now? lol

Just kiddin' my friend :up:

Just wanna buy a B batch but no way anyone assures that, and this country is so painful on taxes that if i get an A i will get sad...so have to wait

Cheers mate keep on rockin' on that clocks :up:

Sergio
10-21-2008, 06:18 AM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by andressergio

Just kiddin' my friend :up:

Just wanna buy a B batch but no way anyone assures that, and this country is so painful on taxes that if i get an A i will get sad...so have to wait

Cheers mate keep on rockin' on that clocks :up:

Sergio

Sergio,

The A should overclock just as good or better then the B's... I got an A and it was running 1.22vcore 1.1vtt with Intel stock cooler @ 4000Mhz.

If you check the Quad OC history most of the top guns where always A stepping. :up:
10-21-2008, 01:49 PM
xguntherc

A stepping.. you mean A in the batch number..?

Just get a E0 Q9550. or a Q9650 and you'll be happy. any one will more than likely hit 4.0 ghz on air.. most have with no problems.
10-21-2008, 02:22 PM
Devious

Installed a UD3P tonight and at last ive managed to boot at 500FSB which i couldnt get near with my Asus boards.

Ive left nearly everything on auto iin the bios which imressed me but looking on easytune its raised some of voltages to scary levels:eek: which probably explains the 500FSB

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8094/capturedf8.jpg

Its not stable at all, it will run prime small FFT for a few mins before BSOD but blend fails instantly.
10-21-2008, 02:54 PM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devious

Installed a UD3P tonight and at last ive managed to boot at 500FSB which i couldnt get near with my Asus boards.

Ive left nearly everything on auto iin the bios which imressed me but looking on easytune its raised some of voltages to scary levels:eek: which probably explains the 500FSB

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8094/capturedf8.jpg

Its not stable at all, it will run prime small FFT for a few mins before BSOD but blend fails instantly.

Nice start. Once you get that joker tweaked hopefully you'll be fine. My 24/7 goal is 500x9. Once i find a board that'll do that fsb i'll pick up a few more chips. ive been waiting on quad results for that UDP board. I'll get that one or try the one Napalm is using.
10-21-2008, 02:55 PM
xguntherc

weird.. your not on insane volts.. at 4000 with 8 multi CPU-Z shows 1.296v.. thats not very high.

and my machine at 4.3 Ghz on 1.3456v fails Small FFT's instantly, but blend goes for about 10 mins then system crashes BSOD. and Large runs for aboug 5 mins. but I'm still tweaking and need better coooling.

but I've managed a 478 FSB on my 750i and I'm sure I could get it stable with the right tweaks.
10-21-2008, 03:40 PM
chad

How can I tell from the Intel retail box if Im getting a E0 or a C1?
10-21-2008, 03:51 PM
Flinch

All 9650's are E0 :)
10-21-2008, 05:33 PM
xguntherc

yup they are... and great ones at that.
oh and guys. Question.

what would be a better choice. They are both Lightly used. The GT Odin 800w PSU.. with the software adjustable pots, on sale for $81 bucks or something. or the Silverstone Decathalon. aka the DA750 for $115.00 I know the Odin 800 is cheaper.. but witch is better and would be better for pushing my Q9650. should I just get the higher w, cheaper one. the odin 800w..???

Apolla.. i see you said to get the Silverstone 1200w.. thats huge. I don't think I need all that.
10-21-2008, 06:10 PM
Utnorris

I have the Odin 800 and I think it's one of the best PSU's I have ever owned. I had the OCZ Gamestream 700w before and this Odin kicks it butt.
10-21-2008, 09:07 PM
bigslappy

just got my 2nd Q9650 batch #L827B623 pack date 9-25-08 .too tired to install it . too burnt out from last nite tryin\ oc'in theGigabyte P45UD3 which I RMA'ed this morning (it was a DUD ) & I get another UD3 tomorrow Love that EGG Soo easy to work with !! ..
10-21-2008, 10:07 PM
NapalmV5

lol same batch/pack date as my 2nd q9650.. may yours be better than mine bigslappy :toast:

well i finaly got to os boot the ep45t extreme + 2 x 1GB supertalent 2000ddr3.. wacky/loco combo to say the least :shakes:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8985/sysjw6.jpg

ep45t extreme
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7271/aqua3xx6.jpg

ep45 dq6 - 1:1 500mhz ddr2
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2643/aqualg2.jpg

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/8702/9251065uv9.gif

despite the benches.. dq6 is way more extreme than the "extreme" :up:

ill keep trying at 4.8ghz os boot but if i do get it to boot itll be a miracle.. ill get more ddr3 kits before i give up on the extreme

dq6 (1.94vtt bios max) - if you want the highest/max q9650 clocks

extreme (1.80vtt bios max) - 24/7 @ 4.5ghz maybe big maybe @ ~4.8ghz

the idioticity of things huh ?
10-21-2008, 10:29 PM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

lol same batch/pack date as my 2nd q9650.. may yours be better than mine bigslappy :toast:

we're twin sons of different mothers L O L ! may yours be the best also !

:rofl::ROTF::rofl:
10-22-2008, 12:34 AM
xguntherc

wow.. some 2000 Mhz Ram.. thats some fast @$$ Ram. I'd sure love to have some of that. instead of my ghetto 1000 ram that only runs on 933 Stable.. anything else BSOD.. lame huh. haha

So Napalm. what do you think about those 2 PSU choices.??

Also Napalm I have one other question for you. I'm at 4.0 Ghz with 1.304v in CPU-Z but in order to run at 4.1 Ghz Prime Stable I need 1.354v in BIOS and I've only gone up to 1.35v on FSB/VTT.
would I have a better chance at being stable at 4.1 Ghz if I went to 1.4v FSB/VTT.?? and do you really think it's ok to run VTT that high 24/7?

and my last question for you. is what clock are you running for 24/7 on your Q9650??
10-22-2008, 02:07 AM
Apollonas

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

Apolla.. i see you said to get the Silverstone 1200w.. thats huge. I don't think I need all that.

I know, it's really huge, but is the only one I found that you dont need to mod the pots. It gives almost 12.48v at 12v rail which seems to be enough.

Maybe napalm has to suggest something smaller without the need of any adjustments to 12v rail.
10-22-2008, 02:23 AM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

well i finaly got to os boot the ep45t extreme + 2 x 1GB supertalent 2000ddr3.. wacky/loco combo to say the least :shakes:

despite the benches.. dq6 is way more extreme than the "extreme" :up:

ill keep trying at 4.8ghz os boot but if i do get it to boot itll be a miracle.. ill get more ddr3 kits before i give up on the extreme

dq6 (1.94vtt bios max) - if you want the highest/max q9650 clocks

extreme (1.80vtt bios max) - 24/7 @ 4.5ghz maybe big maybe @ ~4.8ghz

the idioticity of things huh ?

So Mate !

Is it worth pulling the Striker down for this board or going back to DDR2 and a DQ6. I can swap the EP45T extreme over for a DQ6 from my wholesaler if required seeing I haven't opened it up yet.

It seems that the EP45T Extreme isn't all that great at clocking the CPU and memory together. Is that what you are finding ?
10-22-2008, 02:50 AM
SrgtGoat

thanks for the info markost and xguntherc the q9650 it is thinking of the striker II as well does it have the overclock protection like the board i have now so i not pulling the cmos batt every bad try?

on psu's, my antec 850 quattro in hwmon says 12.03v , whats the diff between that and one running at 12.48v if ya only need 12.0v, is it just to close so it can go below 12 easier?

how about this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817379009 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153043 and is the 80 plus thing that big of a deal? sounds pretty cool, consistant power , lower heat and all, but are they really better? so many don't need to go as high useing a 80 plus?

getting amped about this new sys ! bought a evga gtx 280 today to give it a shot i think it's numbers will be as good if not better then the 3870's x2 i have , so 2 of those on the striker II could be the plan for me.

Markost do you have fans on Both sides of the rad? wow pullin and pushin! that would be some flow!

SG,
10-22-2008, 03:59 AM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by SrgtGoat

Markost do you have fans on Both sides of the rad? wow pullin and pushin! that would be some flow!
SG,

Yeah, the idea here is to use low RPM fans so noise is kept to an absolute minimum. Volume of air is what's important and not the speed at which it goes through the rad. I tried a 'normal' type setup with single fans running at high RPM's and there was little or no difference to temps, so the quiet way got the nod.
10-22-2008, 08:06 AM
Devious

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

weird.. your not on insane volts.. at 4000 with 8 multi CPU-Z shows 1.296v.. thats not very high.

Those volts are high for this chip it only needed 1.216 for 11hours small fft @ 4ghz. Volts hasnt never been the problem with this chip, just FSB.

I guess its all down to how high you a prepared to have vtt, especially for 24/7 use. Looking at hicookies quad @ 540 FSB he has a vtt of 1.63
10-22-2008, 08:08 AM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

wow.. some 2000 Mhz Ram.. thats some fast @$$ Ram. I'd sure love to have some of that. instead of my ghetto 1000 ram that only runs on 933 Stable.. anything else BSOD.. lame huh. haha

So Napalm. what do you think about those 2 PSU choices.??

Also Napalm I have one other question for you. I'm at 4.0 Ghz with 1.304v in CPU-Z but in order to run at 4.1 Ghz Prime Stable I need 1.354v in BIOS and I've only gone up to 1.35v on FSB/VTT.
would I have a better chance at being stable at 4.1 Ghz if I went to 1.4v FSB/VTT.?? and do you really think it's ok to run VTT that high 24/7?

and my last question for you. is what clock are you running for 24/7 on your Q9650??

look at the PC PRW & cooling silencer 750 they are not load at all & have been on sale as of late . it's one of the best single rail psu's out there
10-22-2008, 10:06 AM
Devious

Been trying today to get 500FSB stable on my Q9650.

Ive set vtt/Mch higher than i would normally dare (1.7+) but it didnt make any difference. Ive also copied Hicookies settings in this post but it still fails super_pi and blend instantly. My ram is OCZ flex 2 9200 so normally handles 500Mhz with ease.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6126/capture3dc8.jpg

This chip only needed 1.216vcore for small FFT with 445x9 but fails in a few minutes with 500x8 with 1.3vcore.

:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

time will prove me.. dont worry guys ill surely wont be the only one @ these clocks

No one else so far :)
10-22-2008, 02:55 PM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigslappy

we're twin sons of different mothers L O L ! may yours be the best also !

:rofl::ROTF::rofl:

yeh i didnt know i have so many twin brothers from another mothers LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

wow.. some 2000 Mhz Ram.. thats some fast @$$ Ram. I'd sure love to have some of that. instead of my ghetto 1000 ram that only runs on 933 Stable.. anything else BSOD.. lame huh. haha

So Napalm. what do you think about those 2 PSU choices.??

Also Napalm I have one other question for you. I'm at 4.0 Ghz with 1.304v in CPU-Z but in order to run at 4.1 Ghz Prime Stable I need 1.354v in BIOS and I've only gone up to 1.35v on FSB/VTT.
would I have a better chance at being stable at 4.1 Ghz if I went to 1.4v FSB/VTT.?? and do you really think it's ok to run VTT that high 24/7?

and my last question for you. is what clock are you running for 24/7 on your Q9650??

goodness xguntherc youre a handful :)

please dont ask me what vtt/vcore/vpll/vi/o/vdimm/vnb is ok for 24/7.. this goes to everyone.. thats up to you guys to decide.. all voltages kill hardware.. whether it takes longer or less time to kill the end result is all the same

i have suggested what psu to go with.. but at least give the odin psu a try

my goal is 4.8ghz 24/7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apollonas

I know, it's really huge, but is the only one I found that you dont need to mod the pots. It gives almost 12.48v at 12v rail which seems to be enough.

Maybe napalm has to suggest something smaller without the need of any adjustments to 12v rail.

since road-runner posted 4.6ghz on the 750 pcpower&cooling thats what ive been suggesting.. but i can not guarantee since i dont have the psu.. up to you guys to try

Quote:

Originally Posted by markost

So Mate !

Is it worth pulling the Striker down for this board or going back to DDR2 and a DQ6. I can swap the EP45T extreme over for a DQ6 from my wholesaler if required seeing I haven't opened it up yet.

It seems that the EP45T Extreme isn't all that great at clocking the CPU and memory together. Is that what you are finding ?

its worth it if you got ddr3 kits to play with

the 4.5ghz im only able to do @ auto ratio and auto vdimm

that 1000mhz is @ 2.256vdimm.. not much more i can do with..

if i set vdimm manually: no system boot
if i set anything other than the auto ratio: no os boot

some kind of protection or the bios needs lots of fixing.. my hands are tied up at such low vdimm

if id have the corsair dominator 2133 kit id be able to show you guys 4.8ghz/2136ddr3 @ auto ratio/vdimm.. but im not gonna spend 500+$ on the kit but instead ill just ditch the ddr3 extreme and try the ddr2 extreme

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devious

Been trying today to get 500FSB stable on my Q9650.

Ive set vtt/Mch higher than i would normally dare (1.7+) but it didnt make any difference. Ive also copied Hicookies settings in this post but it still fails super_pi and blend instantly. My ram is OCZ flex 2 9200 so normally handles 500Mhz with ease.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6126/capture3dc8.jpg

This chip only needed 1.216vcore for small FFT with 445x9 but fails in a few minutes with 500x8 with 1.3vcore.

:confused:

No one else so far :)

but of course no one else.. not one of you got the same parts i do :shrug:

some think they know better
some always looking for shortcuts
i can go on and on

its like pulling teeth and it is tiring but once one of you get 4.8ghz out of your q9650 my work here is done

-

alright.. your voltages are all messed up

ill get back to you with a ss of easytune @ 4.5ghz
10-22-2008, 04:12 PM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

its worth it if you got ddr3 kits to play with

the 4.5ghz im only able to do @ auto ratio and auto vdimm

that 1000mhz is @ 2.256vdimm.. not much more i can do with..

if i set vdimm manually: no system boot
if i set anything other than the auto ratio: no os boot

some kind of protection or the bios needs lots of fixing.. my hands are tied up at such low vdimm

Sounds like DFI Expert / Striker Extreme all over again. I'll go the DQ6 and play with that. Thanks Mate.
10-22-2008, 05:04 PM
NapalmV5

youre welcome m8 :)

the 2.256vdimm is @ 4.8ghz/2136ddr auto ratio/vdimm

-

easy breezy 4.5ghz on air @ ep45t extreme..
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8224/45gh5.jpg
same voltages @ dq6 except for the vdimm..
vdimm dq6 @ 2.4-2.5 more or less depending on the modules

heres the 4.8ghz on air @ dq6
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=304

for other ep45ers this may or may not work since the mobos are not quite the same

use this as an indication.. if this doesnt work for you..

fiddle around with higher vcore for ex: ~1.5 @ 4.5ghz.. ~1.6 @ 4.8ghz.. your q9650 may need more/less vtt

exactly what voltages work on your setup is for you guys to find out

note1: all voltages set @ bios
note2: no gtl adjusting
note3: cpu/pcie clock drive @ 1000mV.. cpu/mch skew @ 0ps: anything other than 0ps = no system boot
10-22-2008, 06:30 PM
NapalmV5

xguntherc this is for you m8.. went back through the pages to get you these so you have a better idea what vcore/vtt it takes

foxconn mars

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...6&postcount=61

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=66

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=67

dfi ut p35

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=129

once i got ep45 dq6 - 1.425vcore/1.6vtt

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=131

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=304

all on air/ifx14 cooling
10-23-2008, 01:48 AM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

youre welcome m8 :)

Ah what the hell, I'll go the Extreme and see what goes !
10-23-2008, 02:50 AM
bito

Could people post their cpu GTL ref's here please?
I know all cpu's may be different, but it may help others as a starting point.
Thanks
10-23-2008, 03:47 AM
Devious

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

youre welcome m8 :)

the 2.256vdimm is @ 4.8ghz/2136ddr auto ratio/vdimm

-

easy breezy 4.5ghz on air @ ep45t extreme..
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8224/45gh5.jpg
same voltages @ dq6 except for the vdimm..
vdimm dq6 @ 2.4-2.5 more or less depending on the modules

heres the 4.8ghz on air @ dq6
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=304

for other ep45ers this may or may not work since the mobos are not quite the same

use this as an indication.. if this doesnt work for you..

fiddle around with higher vcore for ex: ~1.5 @ 4.5ghz.. ~1.6 @ 4.8ghz.. your q9650 may need more/less vtt

exactly what voltages work on your setup is for you guys to find out

note1: all voltages set @ bios
note2: no gtl adjusting
note3: cpu/pcie clock drive @ 1000mV.. cpu/mch skew @ 0ps: anything other than 0ps = no system boot

Appreciate you posting this again, i did last night try my voltages also as your previously posted easytune screenshot but no luck. I tried many other variations as well including the screenshot i posted above which is similar to Hicookies settings.

I was only trying 500x8 instead of 500x9 (as that wouldnt even boot) so my vcore shouldnt need to be above 1.3v.

I will however try your cpu/pcie clock drive settings tonight and hopefully they will be the key.
10-23-2008, 04:38 AM
systemviper

http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/436087.png......

:surf:
10-23-2008, 04:52 AM
NapalmV5

devious - yes cpu/pcie clock drive must be @ 1000mV

well this the most im able to get out of my supertalent 2000 kit on the extreme

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/873/4752sy1.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by systemviper

http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/436087.png......

:surf:

if you dont see ^ here it is 4.8ghz from systemviper on the ud3

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=436087

goodness gracious a long last.. *sigh* well thanks to systemviper my presence here has come to an end :)

may your oc always be merry

goodbye guys :)
10-23-2008, 04:54 AM
HawaiianSupermn

:clap:crazy fast!
10-23-2008, 04:54 AM
quattro_

Quote:

Originally Posted by bito

Could people post their cpu GTL ref's here please?
I know all cpu's may be different, but it may help others as a starting point.
Thanks

good idea i have mine at +70 all ,450x9 cpuv 1.35 LLC disabled, vvt 1.10016
10-23-2008, 11:34 AM
Devious

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

devious - yes cpu/pcie clock drive must be @ 1000mV

ok, ive just tried that and with your all easytune settings and it wont boot at 500x9. It boots at 500x8 just about but as usual it is very unstable and BSOD under any app.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

if you dont see ^ here it is 4.8ghz from systemviper on the ud3

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=436087

goodness gracious a long last.. *sigh* well thanks to systemviper my presence here has come to an end :)

may your oc always be merry

goodbye guys :)

Yes, i saw, at least now i know its not the motherboard. I think Systemviper is going to post his settings later but i really dont think it will make any difference with my particular chip. Three motherboards on and I think it has a FSB wall :( Shame as it needs so little vcore, but im sure il pass it on to someone who wants a low power 4ghz and no more :) and ill either try another or stick with my E8600.

Thanks for your help, but i know when im beaten with this one :doh:
10-23-2008, 01:57 PM
xguntherc

Nice work there Viper.

I think I'm simply getting stopped by my PSU.. and thats a shame.

Also Napalm. thank you much for all the info. I'll leave ya be for now. You just seem to have it all figured out there. thats all.. Thanks for all those screeny's.
and your right. I'm just going to try and use more fsb/vtt and less vcore. thats what I'll do. for now I'm at 1.35v vtt, but I'm going to give it 1.4 or more and see how it goes.

thanks!
10-24-2008, 12:07 AM
xguntherc

I can get a 2 week old.. slightly used PCP&C Silencer Quad 750w PSU for $100.00

I think I'll just do that. Sounds like a good deal. and I've heard they make some of the BEST PSU's around. this is also what Napalm suggested.
Just happened to go on sale from a friend on another forum yesterday. So I'll try and trade him for it. or I'll just buy it if I have to.

Does it have adjustable pots? do you know. or does it just run high anyways and will perform much better for me. Only thing I'm worried about is the small 80mm fan on the back. I don't want it to get loud. but it's called the silencer. so it shouldn't be to bad. I hope not at least!
10-24-2008, 05:55 AM
systemviper

I took the wrong sreenshot, i will boot later today and get the settings, but i warn you, it's high...

I think i set vcore at 1.6 and mch at 1.82, but with that sweet xig direct touch, and a little breeze it kept temps good.
10-25-2008, 09:41 PM
xguntherc

I bet it is High..

thats ok. Lets see it.

So to everyone thats been following this thread. or any of my questions and what not. I have "ONE" More. LOL

So basically I've sold a few things online, and some G11 keyboards and MX-518 Mice. (Have 3 of each left). and I now have an extra $100 in my paypal account. So my question is what should I do FIRST:

Should I get a new PSU. Probably the PCP&C 750w Silencer for $100 Shipped. OR Should I get some Water Cooling. like a Apogee GTZ ,or Fuzion v1,2 and a MCR220, 320 and some other things.
or would a water-cooling pump just be even more stress on my current PSU. and just be even worse.. I'm stuck between the two choices. lol

thanks. Input would be greatly appreciated.

edit* Also I got the Everest Ultimate edition. and I started it up to check some of my voltage settings and what not. To double check to see if HWMonitor was right or not. and everest shows my PSU 12v rail at 11.93.. not 7.36 like Monitor did.. lol. So that makes me feel a little better. But still not sure if thats a good enough PSU. I doubt it. Here's a screeny of me at 4.0 ghz with every big of info possible from everest. and all the voltages and what not.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5...estinforl4.jpg
This is where I am for now. Still workin on it
10-25-2008, 11:20 PM
carepolice

I bet that HWMONITOR reported your +12V all way wrong back then when you used it. Still mine HX520 keeps 12.10V on wich i find pretty nice, whitout modding ;)
10-25-2008, 11:26 PM
GAR

by default the cpu/pcie clock drive is at 700mv should i increase to 1000mv?, i cannot get 475 to be stable, which was stable on my MIIF, any pointers??? i am rock solid at 450fsb with 1.3v vtt, 1.3v mch
10-26-2008, 01:04 AM
xguntherc

carepolice.. see you have nothing more, or less in your case than me that would make it seem otherwise.. It just doesn't make sense.. I know some are better than otehrs. even when the same model though.
I have 1 HD. 6 case fans... one DVD Drive bay.. i don't know.. the 260. uses less power than your 4870.

Well the PCP&C 750o silencer Quad is over 200. but newegg has it for $144.99 and until the 29th has a 15% off so it's a total of $123.99 and has FREE shipping for 3 day. I'm pretty sure I'll do that. instead of paying $100 for a used one from a guy runnin SLI 280's. he's probably pushed that thing a lot. 20 bucks more to get a brand new one is worth it to me.

Unless anyone has any other PSU suggestions under $145.. yet will be good enough for SLI 260's let me know. otherwise I'll probably snag that. and then it will be more efficient and push my system better.

also GAR.. I don't know much about the clock drive. but I've seen the number 1000mv many times.. also 4.0 Ghz on the Q9450 is a big push... you just might need a lot of volts.. but your board should be able to handle that so I don't know. and who's the girl in ur avatar.. looks like a girl I know from Utah!
10-26-2008, 06:29 AM
davidoff619

xguntherc check you nv control panel under the part where it shows what you cpu, mobo ram and gpus are clock @ check theres not a rule starting with windows this might be holding you back it was me just found that out last night. this kept killing my vcore when playing game turned it off and everything is working how it should again i thought its was the vdroop mod but turns out this was holding me back. might be the case just check it.
10-27-2008, 12:03 AM
Jor3lBR

Gotta Love the Q9650

Hey Guys,

Finally finished testing my project 'flat black & blue' this weekend and got a chance to see the Q9650 in action, just 10 passes on Linpack before I start to burn-in the cpu:

Q9650
FPO/BATCH L820A930
VID 1.2125V

All options in Auto (exception for vtt and vnb):
http://i36.tinypic.com/vg7fhs.png

A view of my Project:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2j3i15v.jpg

project [Fl4tBl4ck.in.Blu3] worklog

Special thanks for NapalmV5 for answering all my questions!

After the burn-in I'll push this baby!
10-27-2008, 01:15 AM
HawaiianSupermn

:clap::clap:Sick rig Jorell, r u my futter?:rofl::ROTF:
10-27-2008, 06:06 AM
andressergio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jor3lBR

Hey Guys,

Finally finished testing my project 'flat black & blue' this weekend and got a chance to see the Q9650 in action, just 10 passes on Linpack before I start to burn-in the cpu:

Q9650
FPO/BATCH L820A930
VID 1.2125V

All options in Auto (exception for vtt and vnb):
http://i36.tinypic.com/vg7fhs.png

A view of my Project:
http://i35.tinypic.com/2j3i15v.jpg

project [Fl4tBl4ck.in.Blu3] worklog

Special thanks for NapalmV5 for answering all my questions!

After the burn-in I'll push this baby!

Really nice mate !! Congratz :up:
Regards
Sergio
10-27-2008, 06:11 PM
xguntherc

davidoff... Can you explain this a little better. In my NV Control Panel there isn't anything about the Mobo Ram and clocks.. so I'm not sure what your talking about.

explain more.. Also I've been lazy and have not updated my drivers so I'm currently on 177.92. I've yet to get to 178. or the 180's.. laybe what your talking about is only on those. Explain more please.
10-28-2008, 02:01 AM
davidoff619

it was a part in the nv dont know what it came with maybe the mb latest drivers or nv software tools but dont worry until you update it then you will need to check.
10-28-2008, 06:25 PM
xguntherc

No.. I don't even know what your talking about.. No where in the Nvidia control panel is there info about CPU, Mobo, RAM and clocks.. it's simply for graphics and settings and monitor settings.. So I'm not sure where to go and check what you said above.

Also I'm probably going to get the PCP&C 750w Silencer Quad today. It's on sale for $114.00 at newegg.com with 15% off.. then after that I get a $25.00 MIR. thats a great deal for that PSU.
I'm hoping it will help my system be more stable.

Meh. I just manned up and ordered it.. It will be here Friday.

Also your right napalm. I just did a calculator. and it recommended a 700w PSU. as before when i did it I didn't include the OC on GFX or CPU. so I think this will overall be much better, stable, and more powerful for me. I'll let you all know how it goes. and it's rated at 83% not 80.. thats even better.

Thanks for the idea Napalm! I'll owe you when. not if. but WHEN i hit 4.4 Ghz or more. :)
10-28-2008, 08:32 PM
nugzo

Q9650 is lookin better now with the right board. Gigabyte EP45 UD3P

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/8002/4500ra2.jpg

Settings:

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10-28-2008, 09:01 PM
xguntherc

Nice work there..
10-28-2008, 09:09 PM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

Q9650 is lookin better now with the right board. Gigabyte EP45 UD3P

Good Job nugzo! I wish I had a P45 when I see those screens. Keep pushing you'll get Napalm :clap:

:up:
10-29-2008, 02:32 AM
xguntherc

Sweetness. so your vcore and vtt are both at 1.44.. have you been increasing those at about the same rate??
10-29-2008, 02:53 AM
WaterFlex

I love Q9650 running 500FSB.
10-29-2008, 02:54 AM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

Sweetness. so your vcore and vtt are both at 1.44.. have you been increasing those at about the same rate??

I'm up to 1.46 now. I have been increasing them together somewhat. Once i get the stability the way i want it, i'll back down whatever i can. Blend has been failing after about 45min.
10-29-2008, 07:15 AM
spoof

I think is a good place to ask, as far as Q9550 is pretty the same. What are the safe voltages for 24/7 under water (Fuzion v2)? Especially for the CPU PLL and FSB Termination voltage. For now, 465x8.5: 1.4125 vcore, 1.66v PLL, 1.36v FSBt and GTLREF 59x. I'm with P5E Deluxe.
10-29-2008, 07:37 AM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaterFlex

I love Q9650 running 500FSB.

Who needs a Nephalem with these beasts running @ 500?!
10-29-2008, 10:32 AM
xguntherc

Agree'd Jor.

and spoof.. the Q9550 is very similar to the Q9650.. just a .5 multi more basically. lol. and ALL are E0's. Anyways the recommended safe voltage is 1.3625v max for a 24/7 usage.

I'm not sure but I wouldn't think you'd need that much to get stable at 3.9 Ghz.. you should be able to do it under 1.4 volts I'd think. Keep tweaking those settings. Add more fsb/vtt maybe 1.4
10-30-2008, 04:12 AM
Devious

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugzo

Q9650 is lookin better now with the right board. Gigabyte EP45 UD3P

Nice clock there.

Unfortunatley that board did nothing for my target of getting 4500Mhz with my Q9650. Same batch as yours. Wouldnt even post @ 500*9.

It may have been my vcore as i never pushed it quite that high, i didnt think it would need it. If i does need that much voltage I dont feel too bad as Im not sure i would have been happy running that 24/7,

Just landed a new QX9650 C1 for $250 which has eased my pain a little.
10-30-2008, 12:39 PM
xguntherc

Nice.

Hey Jor3. what PSU are you running to get some great outputs there?? and did you tweak anything on it.?

Also how well would a ASUS P5Q push my Q9650. or even a Q6700?? I might be buying one used to throw my old Q6700 into for a folding rig. but maybe I'll use my 750i in the folder and run the P5Q for myself. lol I don't know. Just wondering. is anyone running that Mobo? it's not the Pro or anything though.
10-30-2008, 01:46 PM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

Nice.

Hey Jor3. what PSU are you running to get some great outputs there?? and did you tweak anything on it.?

Also how well would a ASUS P5Q push my Q9650. or even a Q6700?? I might be buying one used to throw my old Q6700 into for a folding rig. but maybe I'll use my 750i in the folder and run the P5Q for myself. lol I don't know. Just wondering. is anyone running that Mobo? it's not the Pro or anything though.

The p5q should give you higher FSB than the 750i. Try it out an let us know.
10-30-2008, 01:59 PM
davidoff619

hi I notice you where looking to buy a p5q dlx I'm selling mine of your intrested I live in the I'm brought of from scan about 3 months ago so still got 9 months warrty pm me if it's any intrest to any off you guys
10-30-2008, 02:39 PM
xguntherc

How much.. I got offered from someone else a little while ago.

and if I remember right isn't that what Napalm was using at first?... never mind. it was the p45
10-30-2008, 08:36 PM
Loque

do you guys think the next Q9650 batches will oc as good as current ones ? and will the price go down after i7 launch ? prices seem to be increasing here in europe right now but most due to euro dropping vs dollar I guess..
10-30-2008, 09:19 PM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loque

do you guys think the next Q9650 batches will oc as good as current ones ? and will the price go down after i7 launch ? prices seem to be increasing here in europe right now but most due to euro dropping vs dollar I guess..

If I remember right there is a stop production order on the Q9450 Q9550 Q9650 QX9770 & QX9650

just before the i7's hit the market
Intel don't wanna compete with it's self
SOO look to see the prices rise on these CPU's when they stop making them

the replacement CPU's will be the 8xxx line of CPU's directed at the OME makers
& they will also keep making the Q6600 as it sells well & production costs NOW are way low for that CPU as it's pure profit almost
10-30-2008, 09:30 PM
xguntherc

Well the Q9xxx series are almost just a cheap to make right. since they can make more with a single wafer? you'd think the profit margins would be similar on these...

I have also heard the prices will rise when i7 drops. so I'd get one now before it's to late. as they are great chips.
10-30-2008, 09:39 PM
Sparda

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

I have also heard the prices will rise when i7 drops. so I'd get one now before it's to late. as they are great chips.

as far as I see hardware barely increase their value as the time goes by.....I believe it just a hoax. :P :P
10-30-2008, 09:41 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparda

as far as I see hardware barely increase their value as the time goes by.....I believe it just a hoax. :P :P

the q9650 is EOL when i7 is released, its too much competition for intel's low and mid range i7

a little after i7 is out the best quad you will be able to buy is the q9300 :\
10-30-2008, 10:10 PM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

the q9650 is EOL when i7 is released, its too much competition for intel's low and mid range i7

a little after i7 is out the best quad you will be able to buy is the q9300 :\

Listen to the SniipeDogg He's right about this ! get them now while u can .... the q9650 is too good for any of the i7 which is why the stop production order ... don't let me tell u later i told u soo ..
;p
10-30-2008, 11:55 PM
xguntherc

ya if they keep these around they will have some very very strong competition with themselves.. So they are getting rid of them.

I'd get one.. I'm glad I did.
10-31-2008, 07:19 AM
Loque

thanks guys, think I'll skip the i7 band wagon for now, the only shop I'm seeing around here only got 1 Q9650 left for sale and the shop owner said the next ones he order will cost at least 60€ more due to the dollar difference..
10-31-2008, 07:44 AM
Jor3lBR

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigslappy

Listen to the SniipeDogg He's right about this ! get them now while u can .... the q9650 is too good for any of the i7 which is why the stop production order ... don't let me tell u later i told u soo ..
;p

Hey Big hows your burn-in going?

I'm leaving mine with auto voltage (1.21v) and running Linpack overnight, then some idle time, then I raise the fsb to 4005Mhz or 4045Mhz without raising voltages and run some Prime and Linpack again.

Am I doing it right? For how long should I do this?
10-31-2008, 08:22 AM
xguntherc

Here are my new toys..

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7200/1000775dm9.jpg

and does a burn-In increase overclockability in the chip??
10-31-2008, 08:25 AM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jor3lBR

Hey Big hows your burn-in going?

I'm leaving mine with auto voltage (1.21v) and running Linpack overnight, then some idle time, then I raise the fsb to 4005Mhz or 4045Mhz without raising voltages and run some Prime and Linpack again.

Am I doing it right? For how long should I do this?

3 or 4 days is about all you need with that burn in . mine is ready for O/C'in as i've been doing the same but just not pushing the FSB ( haven't had the time to mess with it ) but am gonna push the new Q9650 this weekend on my new EP45-UD3P MoBo ... will report back
10-31-2008, 08:30 AM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

and does a burn-In increase overclockability in the chip??

it increases the "life span" of the CPU as any high voltage can decrease the life span(heat is the main issue here) , pushing a Cpu HARD that is not burnt in will degrade the CPU quite quickly...
10-31-2008, 07:09 PM
xguntherc

well I ran mine on normal everyday functions for the first about 30 hours I had it.. then went to 3.8 Ghz for 2 days.. then went to 4.0 ghz, and 4.2 ghz. and now I've ran at 4.0 Ghz since..

Was that enough of a burn in? the entire time never going over 62c
10-31-2008, 07:35 PM
nugzo

I've never "burned in a CPU". I've never had any CPU issues either. Lost plenty of ram and mobos, just no CPU's.

My opinion on the q9560 EOL is that its not gonna be as soon as yall think. There is tooo many LGA775 systems out there to quit support immediatley. Not to mention the warehouses full of high end 775 motherboards. Heck new 775 boards are being introduced almost daily. There is probably more high end 775 machines out there than all the other sockets combined. I'd say they'll be available for at least a year or 2. Again, Just my opinion. Newegg is still selling one of the highest end 478 cpus, and 478 is oooold.
10-31-2008, 09:41 PM
bigslappy

they still will Support it , just not gonna make them anymore . like i said they are bringing out the 8xxx line in 775 sockets for the masses..
For enthusaist like us... Intel & the MoBo MFG'ers wants us to buy the newest hardware & be their test bunnies for them .. it's all marketing why sell such a great CPU that makes yer new product look bad !
I would hate to have waited to buy one & then to find out that the CPU is not for sale anymore
.. then BE forced into buying a i7 system while reading posts like == Napalme is getting the ghz to the sky & beyond

remember Intel has No One to compete with but it's self & the forcast for Intels profits is just Today reported to be DOWN below expectations & the Intel stock is also down (as is everyone else)...I just Read that in the San Jose Mercury Newspaper bussiness section this afternoon.. but believe what u will
10-31-2008, 09:44 PM
bigslappy

Quote:

Originally Posted by xguntherc

well I ran mine on normal everyday functions for the first about 30 hours I had it.. then went to 3.8 Ghz for 2 days.. then went to 4.0 ghz, and 4.2 ghz. and now I've ran at 4.0 Ghz since..

Was that enough of a burn in? the entire time never going over 62c

Yeah burn-in does not take long , it's like a new car u don't take it from the sales lot to the drag strip in the 1st hour u get it ..
I work hard for my cash soo i err on the side of caution when paying this much for hardware
.. as it's your hardware do as u like it with what you have ...but i just do what i do
I could be wrong but as said caution is better than sorry to me !
10-31-2008, 10:38 PM
nugzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigslappy

they still will Support it , just not gonna make them anymore . like i said they are bringing out the 8xxx line in 775 sockets for the masses..
For enthusaist like us... Intel & the MoBo MFG'ers wants us to buy the newest hardware & be their test bunnies for them .. it's all marketing why sell such a great CPU that makes yer new product look bad !
I would hate to have waited to buy one & then to find out that the CPU is not for sale anymore
.. then BE forced into buying a i7 system while reading posts like == Napalme is getting the ghz to the sky & beyond

remember Intel has No One to compete with but it's self & the forcast for Intels profits is just Today reported to be DOWN below expectations & the Intel stock is also down (as is everyone else)...I just Read that in the San Jose Mercury Newspaper bussiness section this afternoon.. but believe what u will

I found this on gamespot dated september 5th. I found this same article at many sites. Looks like No EOL planned as of yet. The QX6850 and QX9770 are to be replaced by i7. Very minimum 3rd quarter 2009 if this info is reliable. Remember, not counting the way overpriced Xtreme chips, the Q9650 is intels best LGA775 CPU. I just cant see them killin it so fast. They will sell plenty of them, and make plenty of money doin it. Again, i'm no genius, this is just my opinion.

Quote:

Intel to kill many Core 2's by Q1 09

14 CPUs

Intel plans to end the product cycle for 10 of its Core 2 based CPUs. Four of these are quad cores while six are Core 2 Duo SKUs. The first to die are two Core 2 Extreme CPUs, the QX6800 and QX6850 that actually ended their life cycle in July. The QX6850 is replaced by the super overclockable Q9650.

Both the QX9770 and QX9650 will receive a product discontinuance notice in Q1 while the last of them should be selling in Q2 2009, when these two will finally reach its end of life. They will be replaced by Core i7 CPUs.

The Core 2 Duo based E6850, E6750, E6550, E6540, E4600 and E4500 will receive a product discontinuance notice in Q4 08 while they will slip to its end of life in Q1 2009. The Pentium dual core E2180, E2160 and E2140 should also be reaching its end of life in Q1 2009. The last one to end its career in Q1 2009 is the Celeron dual core E1200.
10-31-2008, 10:50 PM
bigslappy

Yeah i forgot where i read what i posted , it was in the XS news section & i think it was after that date of the 5th .. Hmm have to look for it when i got more time .. anyway I got mine & am very happy with them

not trying to say i'm right or anything ....... just passing on what i had read ...
11-01-2008, 12:21 AM
markost

Well after having a chance to try a few boards with a QX9650 it's time to report. I've followed the pages in this Forum with interest as it covers one chip with different boards. Most interestingly, are the overclocks achieved by NapalmV5 and one or two others using predominantly Gigabyte DQ6 and EP45t Extreme Boards. As posted in other forums within Xtreme Systems, my views are not based on pure overclock numbers but the way that those overclocks translate into the speed and performance of Windows and the Application/Games within. So let's start.........

All results are with the components in my sig except when stated after the board's title. CPU speeds are kept to a reasonable constant to show the difference in boards' performance and not that particular boards overclocking ability. I've tried 3 different ( yes three !! ) QX9650's in all these boards and they all have a maximum overclock of between 4.2 and 4.4 GHz.

1. Striker 2 Formula ( OCZ ReaperX 4 gig memory & GTX280 SLi)
FSB limit of around 450. I've had four of these boards over a period and apart from the usual slight difference from one to the other, they all perform much the same. Very fast in Windows and games but limited in FSB speeds. As with all nVidia chipsets, they offer very good to excellent memory performance especially in linked and sync mode.

2. Striker 2 Extreme ( GTX 280SLi )
FSB limit of 475 with all my chips. Faster in windows than the Formula mainly due to the memory bandwidth with DDR3 and higher FSB and great to work with as everything is extremely responsive. problem with this board is that it has an awful habit of randomly rebooting or blue screening even though the overclocks are completely Prime Stable. There is another thread that address's this issue so I won't take it any further.

3. Gigabyte EP45t Extreme (Crossfire 4870X2)
With all the hype in these pages on how well the DQ6 clocks and how guys like NapalmV5 have got this board to perform, my experience has been dismal. Sure I can get the FSB to 510 @ 4.33 GHz out of my best chip Prime Stable, but the memory performance on this board is dreadful. Sure there may be a compatibility issue here with the OCZ ram I use, however the OCZ gear, from what I have experienced over the years, has the least effect on compatibility out of all the other dimms I have used. The only way to get this board to clock is to back right off the memory which is a stupid thing to do as the memory interface is what slows things down in Windows and in performance generally. What is the use of having a screamingly fast overclock when it gets bottlenecked at the memory stage ??? This showed itself within Windows where, even at 4.3 GHZ it was slower (physically) that either of the Striker's running at around 3.5GHz. if that wasn't enough, I have always used 3 RAID 0 sets. One set each using OCZ Core SS drives for OS and Data (46 gig each) and a third set for ISO images of games and apps etc which has higher storage. When you use this board with any large graphics card like the 4870, 2 of the SATA ports are rendered useless as the the card completely stops the use of these ports due to the way the SATA headers are configured on the board. Even using SATA cables with right angle plugs, it still does not allow all SATA ports to be used. Fair enough, one might say, as most people don't have a need for 6 SATA ports. Well if you want to use an IDE channel with Crossfire using the same 4870 cards, you cannot access the IDE port as the bottom card completely covers the IDE header on the board. I contacted Gigabyte Australia via my distributor and with a sympathetic ear, they informed me that this issue has been addressed in their upcoming i7 motherboards. Good to see that they have seen to this but that should have been done in the developent stages of this board. All in all, apart from the great overclocks, this board, generally, is a dud if you want more than the highest CPU overclock.

I know that some will get a synergy with this board and their own chip/ram combos so please take these comments in an open minded way.

4. Rampage Extreme
Only picked up this board yesterday. straight out of the box and especially with Vista 64bit, It is a screamer:up: Without overclocking anything, it is noticeably faster than Striker 2 Formula, marginally faster than the Striker 2 Extreme and bucket loads faster than the EP45t Extreme. I could almost be happy leaving this thing at stock speeds but as we are all Xtreme to certain degrees, overclocking is something that just has to be done. Based on my partners Rampage Formula which runs a QX9650 at 4Gig on air and will not let me play with it any more because she wants a machine that is hassle free and completely devoid of the chance of falling over, I cannot see any issues of the getting the Rampage Extreme over 500 FSB, but that will be confirmed over the next week.

In a post earlier in this thread, I remarked to NapalmV5 that I indeed may "Napalm the ASUS boards" and move on. Well that is certainly not going to happen at this point and especially not to a EP45t Extreme. As I custom build and sell top fight machines commercially see here I cannot, in all honesty, recommend a motherboard that falls short of reference performance. That is why I cannot recommend the Giga board based on my overall findings.

Rampage OC's to follow........

*** I always load any new board up with a new virgin install of Windows and not via an Image, so there is no change of OS / Driver contamination.
11-01-2008, 01:16 AM
Sparda

Nice test there but obviously you cant compare chipset of different classes like nvidia , x48 and p45 in term of memory performance because nvidia and the X48 surely kick p45 ass.
If you really want to compare test them in the same class like DFI UT P45, P5Q Deluxe, P5Q3, Maximus 2.

I tried P5Q Deluxe and the memory performance is obviously nearly the same with EP45-UD3P surely because of the same chipset.
BUT in the of reaching >500fsb easy peasy the EP45 is the winner because I cant do that with the P5Q Deluxe at least with my quad.
11-01-2008, 01:38 AM
markost

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparda

Nice test there but obviously you cant compare chipset of different classes like nvidia , x48 and p45 in term of memory performance because nvidia and the X48 surely kick p45 ass.
If you really want to compare test them in the same class like DFI UT P45, P5Q Deluxe, P5Q3, Maximus 2.

I tried P5Q Deluxe and the memory performance is obviously nearly the same with EP45-UD3P surely because of the same chipset.
BUT in the of reaching >500fsb easy peasy the EP45 is the winner because I cant do that with the P5Q Deluxe at least with my quad.

Agreed !

The primary idea here is to give a little insight into a few different boards for those who have requested info on which board/platform to buy for their next upgrade and to point out some obvious shortcomings which don't often get mentioned. If it comes down to FSB on it's own then yes the DQ6 and EP45t Extreme may be the board of choice, however there is a lot more to a fast motherboard than purely FSB capability.

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