with KET BIOS, my P5Q touch 4 GH for Q 6600
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MAX FSB 488
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with KET BIOS, my P5Q touch 4 GH for Q 6600
http://i29.tinypic.com/2e22mhz.jpg
MAX FSB 488
http://i28.tinypic.com/imoytj.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/649151.png
Settings:
AI Clock twister: Lighter
Vcore: 1.462v
Vtt: 1.3v
VDimm: 2.1v
NB: 1.36v
0/2 GTL ref: 0.660x
1/3 GTL ref: Auto
NB GTL ref: 0.660x
Ram @ 1021Mhz 5-5-5-15-60 PL 11
This is what i required for 3.4Ghz stable in the end, any other settings get errors in Prime Blend. Why do i have to do so much!
I have not tried Ketz mBios yet, do you think it will be possible to get back to PL10, i couldnt maintain stability when i tested it before.
well, i dunno, u must try i QUESS :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by jasjeet
my setting
Settings:
AI Clock twister: moderate
PL = 8
Vcore: 1.5250v
Vtt: 1.32v
Vnb: 1.32v
I can 535x10 whit NL2 an whit watercooling 512x8 Q6700 G0,but have sold my motherboard now,and put the CPU in an old ASUS P5K for my wife:)
but must have some ram that can withstand anything volts to oc on this motherboard 2.3/2.45v this is my advice Cellshock PC8000 cl4
have never even used KET bios when I 2 bios, and both had a poor performance
Hi Gaul so you think that With the Mbios On the P5Q Deluxe and a Q6700 will be able to achieve 4ghz stable??
Really thinking you are totally cpu/ram limited.... don't think a modded bios will help you here... also you are running 8Gb which puts far mor stress on the NB, have you tried with 4 ? have you even tried my suggestions ?
I have tried with a 9 multiplier but i cant get it near 3.4 stable at all :shrug: so ill try with less memory maybe it will relise some stress od the NB like you say...
i just like to puss it to its linit to unleash the full potential of the CPU... :D
you will get far better overal results with higher FSB, 3.6 with 400FSB and rams at 1000/1066Mhz will be for sure as fast as ya current setup running +3.7GHz. You really need to chill on them volts they are useless and will only degrade ya mobo/CPU in the long run...
Start with this and 4Gb, first only test prime Small FFT, to get ya CPU first stable, don't start off with LinX or co plz
ASUS P5Q DLX Template :
JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 9
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 1000/1066
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: MANUAL
1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 6
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 6
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 6
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO
CPU Voltage: 1.55
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.6
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26
DRAM Voltage: 2.0
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO
Load Line Calibration: AUTO
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
am really appresiating taking your time to show me your bios times and volts but when i set your times it wont even load windows .... also i got vista 64 i suppose that would generate more stress making the CPU act at 64 bits?? donno dude ill try with lower timings on the ram...
is there a way of dissabling S.M.A.R.T. on the HDD?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
I switched my settings to yours to see if they would work for me and so far they are. I am running Prime on her right now and she has gotten pretty far without an issue so far. I might try to turn mine up a little and see what happens. THANKS! :up:
Sorry guys they setting did work :yepp: i forgot just forgot to turn down a multipler LOL ill try to get the FSB Higher... good luck Marvin
So you are at 3.6 now ? Stable ?
Yeah thanks guys for helping me out right now my Pc is doing 3.6~ :D and the Ram at 1077~ so am quite happy thanks on particular as always to Leeghoofd :up:
well maybe you can get more, dunno, what volts are you running now ? for Vcore and co ? temps idle and loaded ? maybe we can go 3.8 daily and 4Ghz for benches... (you got some OC profiles so they can come in handy)
Ok so my set up is this:
Bios 2201
404 X 9
Ram 1077
6-6-6-18-4-55
CPUv 1.55
CPU GTL both auto i heard that they help bring stabily to your system but donno how to use it ....
CPU PLL 1.60
FSBv 1.28
NBv 1.30
NB GTL auto
SBv auto
am running a decent watercooling i made myself at load it reaches 55c which isnt that much i recon...
is it very stable right now and am happy ill try bringing it little by little
one thing everytime i try to do 3D mark 06 it crashes after the first test is doesnt BSOD but it just says "idirect3ddevice9 present failed device lost d3derr_devicelost" :confused::confused:
Try once with ya rams in sync so 808Mhz with 5-5-5-15 timings, see if the error still persists... could be that ya card is OC'ed too high for 3D06... I have that with my 285 once I go over 755 GPU speed
I think with the new voltages ya mobo and CPU are happier too
thank you very much ill try the new settings on the ram and the gpu is set to default....
ill let you know matey
i dont get why when i load 3d mark 06 on the setting it comes up as 4040 mhz??
when it should be 3.7 is it not reading that the multiplier is 9 not 10?....
and after it crushes it restarts my graphic driver and sets it to lower 3d??? 399 mhz.... so i gotta restatr the machine uderwise i play like if i had my old 6600 Gt :rofl: anyway i show a screen shot....
by the way ho do i upload a pic from my pc?? :ROTF:
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1431468_n.jpg
3DMark takes as default multi 10 so don't worry there... also when you run 3dmark close all that crap on the right hand side of ya screen (this to avoid issues with stability) Your card goes into some safe mode (check temps, try another driver version etc... also did you lock PCI-E frequency at 100 or 101 ?
For ya pictures plz upload them to eg imageshack or co and take it at 1280 or so res Max... otherwise it will be far too small to look at
Seriously chill on the voltage. With 8gb and a quad of ram you need to fine tune your vcore, vtt, and nbGTL. Your pushing way too much on everything and not enough vtt. Just pumping more voltage will only make things worse.
Also, like Leeghoofd said you might want to start with 4gb of ram so you can get an idea on what your board and cpu likes. Then once you get that stable pop in the other kit and do some fine tuning.
ok thanks dude i been running at 3.8 and at 800 mhz of ram 1:1 then when i saw that was stable i then when to 1066 mhz and surprisely it finished the test prety stable so i left it as it is..... i also have the latest drivers for the card and is a 275 GTX is not an amazing card but it did do 19000+ so am happy at that score... also i have run the PCIe at 100 cos i dont think turn it up does more good than bad .... and the temp on it are pretty good 60 max on load.
about uploading the pics if i use the tools on the forum it tells to upload the pic on 600 by 600 which is pretty low res anyway as always thanks Leeghoofd for explaining matey
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos...6_151658_n.jpg
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._2275464_n.jpg
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Alright i dont think that 1.55 on the CPUv is that much.. or 1.6 PLL plus i get it stable and i dont know how to adjust NB GTL so i wont touch it :confused: dont wanna kill the NB i dont think ill go any higher here so i wont try thanks anyway and by VTT you mean FSB voltage?? is set to 1.3...Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Finally go it running @ 500fsb..
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...mhzSuperPi.png
@leehg
what do you think, my vcore is at 1.4v lower than that it will not even post..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Padol_Inc
thats bloody amazing!! :shocked: great voltage!! stable though??
^ thanks bro. yup its stable.. but i want to lower my vcore.. i think its high.. here's another, but different procie.. E7400,, =)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...hz3dmark06.png
How high is the FSB term voltage ? Sometimes upping there can reduce ya Vcore a bit, this conciding with GTL tuning. Don't expect miracles of it though... If ya really are scared of the voltage just use the CPU at 4Ghz... good rams help loads with quad clocking...
FSB term voltage is at 1.34v, im still waiting for my 1200 rams from US to the philippines.. hope it will arrive soon.. =) thanks leegh for the inputs... =)
dude if anything you cpu voltage is suprisly low for that clock mine is only doing 3.8 and is stable at 1.55... i suppose i can affort to as am watercooling it...
by the way did you 3d mark it?? if so whats the score?
Honestly, you may want to read this thread. There is some good stuff about GTL reference voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
-n7- also has some really good tips for clocking a quad with four occupied dimms on this board in a post a couple of pages back.
I think that your crazy not to pop out 2 sticks and play around just to find out what the chip actually needs with the extra stress from the ram out of the equation. It's all about fine tuning and throwing more voltage at everything is not going to help. Just because your prime stable dosen't mean anything since your mch could still be unstable and cause random issues and data corruption. With my quad and four occupied dimms on unstable clocks I have passed prime (small fft and blend), linpack, and memtest (86+ and 3.8). It's not going to happen overnight.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
dude the whole point of me using 64 bit is so i can use more than 4 gig... :shrug: that why am using 2 gig stick on the 4 slots and am happy at the clock am on i dont wanna course more strest on the board so am happy at 3.8.... plus i been letting my mates play crisys warhead all night with out a problem and still up and running with no probs ill take 2 rams out just to if there is a differeces in stabily and let you know matey
thanks ;)
Do you guys think that is worth getting a Q9550 ?? am tired of this Q6700 the new q*** run cooler and at a lower v cos they are 45 nm die so ill be able to overclock a bit higher and 12 mb on cache is nice?? :-)
Well if you can afford it skip the Q9550 and go straight to Q9650 Davidkozat, but is that worth the cash ? You prolly will be reaching 200-300mhz more at a far lower Vcore, but that's hardly reflected in games (max fps yes, average fps not really)
But limiting factor could really be ya rams, as you need very loose timings to get them anywhere stable :(
You are right depending on the price... to be honest i play on a 28 inch doing 1920x1200 so i would like the most out of my pc?? what i dont get is the differences on price between the Q9550 (which is £ 170.00) vs the Q9650 they are identicle except the last in 200mhz faster?? :shrug: and is £ 70 more !! about 100 ~ 110 dolars?!! is not worth the price?? is it because it runs cooler and with less voltage or because it uses a higher a 9 multiplier... if so ill get the E0 rev.
Ok so i tested 3d mark the system with 2 sticks of ram out and i got a little more score
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._4759161_n.jpg
so do you guys think i shoud have 2 lots of 2 gig or 4 lots of 1 gig as i wanna keep my system stable...
davidkozat
You've got a Q6700...piece of cake to OC really, as you don't need to bother with high FSBs unless you want.
8 GB isn't really an issue till you start running high FSBs or really high RAM speeds.
You can do 10x400 & not even be pushing your mobo really, as you have a nice high multi at your disposal.
If you want better numbers in benches like Everest, then doing a higher FSB helps, like you've been doing 9x425.
Up until around 440 in my experience anyway, you don't even have to touch GTLs really.
So in your case, if you are happy with 9x425 4:5 & it's truely stable, i'd then work on RAM timings & then lowering voltages.
I'd make sure that's passing max RAM stress on LinX, & HCI Memtest (4 instances set to ~ 1200-1500 MB each), as well as the usual P95 small & large FFTs.
If you want to go even higher with the CPU, you might run into RAM limitations...so why not use 5:6?
That puts it @ DDR2-1020...you can then likely go down to 5-5-5 too.
See what's faster in Everest:
9x425 DDR2-1063 6-6-6
or
9x425 DDR2-1020 5-5-5
Once you get your final clocks decided on, then work on lowering voltages/timings.
For the RAM, see if 5-5-5-[12-15] is doable, or 5-6-5/6-6-5 (depending on which speed you settle on).
Make sure you tighten tRD (Performance Level) as much as you can stably.
You should be able to drop it to 8 @ your FSB currently, as long as you don't use 1:1 (that usually requires higher).
Clock twister will affect numbers in RAM benches...but be aware it can break stability in a hurry.
Moderate is likely the best you will get; unlikely though at higher speeds of RAM.
Lighter or Light will be probably what you have to run.
For the voltages, assuming you've already gotten vcore as low as is stable, you can trying lowering NB & FSB voltages a notch at a time till they become unstable.
You might be able to go lower than you'd expect...just remember to test stability each time you lower them though & makes notes.
I'm not so good at putting what i do for my OCs into easy-to-read words for others, but i hope this helps somewhat.
thanks for taking your time to explain it mateQuote:
Originally Posted by -n7-
i decided to stay on 425 X 9 while doing 5:6 1020
what i dont know how to change is the tRD? i cant find it on the BIOS?? is it possible called something else...:confused:
my ram ia doing 5-5-5-15-5-55-2T...
tRD aka Performance Level is located in the RAM settings area.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
Look for Ai Transaction Booster.
Set that to Manual
You will then see Performance Level, which you can adjust lower.
As i mentioned, you your current settings, you should be able to do 8.
Be aware if you set it too low, it will not POST.
You can try 7, but that may not POST.
Pull-Ins have never worked for me on any of the P5Q BIOSes so i would just leave those disabled.
na they it doesnt not pass the benchmarks if i put 8... is there any realisticly performances improvement changing the number on the performance level??
Yea it probably does more than changing your CAS, I can't find this article on Anandtech about it. It reduces the delay between NB and RAM if I remember it right
thanks mate but everytime i try to set a number it wont stay stable and by defaul it says 11 i tried my old ram as it seems to be far more stable and and it gives me fair better benchmarks i sued to be running 8 gig of corsair CM2X2048-8500C5C then run only 4 gig and still wouldn't be stable at the overclock now i thought i try my old 4 gig G.Skill F2-6400PHU1-1GBHZ and i found it to be far more stable and better overclocker... so i lost like 70 pounds buying the ram for nothing :brick:
Haven't ran this mobo(P5Q-E) with 8gb but with 4gb the lowest you can run with 1:1 divider is 10PL(performance lvl) and 8PL for 5:6.
Same thing i've found at higher FSBs.Quote:
Originally Posted by deaffob
But if you are running lower, you can do lower tRD.
http://www.overclock.net/5109928-post17.html
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...px?i=3184&p=10Quote:
Originally Posted by deaffob
More relevant if you've got an unlocked multiplier to play with but worth a read nevertheless.
P
Q9550 E0 vs C1 which one is better for OCing??
EO is the best.
I have a question about the GTLs. Are GTL values suppose to be giving totally random stability? Hmm I don't know if anyone understands that right. So let's say I'm 1hr stable with .61, if I move it upto .615 will I get the similar result or is it gonna be like 10minute stable and .62 will be 45minute stable. I am asking this because I'm OCing my 8400 to 4.5Ghz and up until 4Ghz I didn't need to touch my GTLs. Testing with every GTL steps will be a horrendous amount of job and I really wish they are not random cause I want to move up 2 or 3 notches at a time if let's say .61 is giving me 10 seconds stability.
One more question, if my ram is stable and I intend to only OC my cpu with multipliers (500 x *) do I even need to touch my NB and NB GTL? Does the cpu's OC get affected by NB at all?
Oh btw, Lee is the man :D
question guys. ihave the Q9550 EO. running it now at 3.83ghz 451 fsb
i have some mushkin mem ddr2 800 4-5-4-12. and im running it at 902mhz. this ram is takeing this OC great. but if i go higher i cant keep it stable... i hear alot of you guys talking about running at a different ratio than 1:1. i thought 1:1 is what you wanted to keep your mem at.??? i know i need some 1066 mem to get over 4.0ghz and stable but should i loosen that up and run say 5:6 ratio instead of 1:1. should i try to loosen up my mushkins now and try 4.0ghz? i know my CPU can handle it its just my mem holding me back.... yes i still havent made up my mind on which mobo to get still battleing between the P5Q Deluxe and the GA-EP45-UD3P
Clock for clock 1:1 gives you the best performance but with other dividers you can do lower PL and normally it's the cpu that can't do the high fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by cincyrob
With my Dual cores I hardly ever touched the CPU GTL's, when going higher you prolly need to increase FSB term voltage. If you start tweaking the GTL's it can take some time mate, it's just like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by deaffob
Quad users can't get around it, duallies with a tad more Vcore can prolly keep stability... not CPU is the same, same for each mobo/ram combo...
For the NB it could be that you can get away with it at the same volts, settings, could be that you need to increase it some... In general these boards love AUTO for the GTL's as they are well programmed... once over 550FSB I needed to tweak to get 24/7 or bench stability.
Try to see if they can do 1000/1066mhz 5-5-5-15 or 18, TRFC set at 55. Ease of setup I prefer the P5Q Dlx anyday over the P45 UD3's... for heavy quad pounding the Giga is better suited, though I don't like the coarse voltage increments... but that's my personal taste :D I'm getting the Maxmus Gene II for review, maybe hold of ya buy mate... board seems interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by cincyrob
Mmm P45 is quite different, it's far easier to stabilise when using a divider other than 1:1... eg at 500FSB , which one do you think is faster 1000mhz ram or 1200mhz rams ?Quote:
Originally Posted by deaffob
So I have to try all the GTL values? I can't just jump from .61 to .63 because .61 only gave me 10sec stability in prime95 small FFT? Is it true that just changing to .615 can give me 100% stability?
just try to up the Vcore a bit more mate, that will be far more beneficial... 10sec stability will take more than just a GTL tweak...
hi friends, i have found interesting results concerning GTLs.
I have a q9550 E0 overclocked to 4.1 (480 fsb) totally stable.
vcore 1.256
gtl 0 - auto
gtl 1 - auto
fsb term - 1.30
chipset voltage 1.32
gtl 0.650
any tweak with gtl chipset result in bsod, no boot until i reach this value.(0.65 or above)
for 490 fsb i have to up the fsb term to 1.34 and chipset to 1.36, also the vcore to 1.268
i am almost sure that 1.34 v fsb is totally safe for daily use, but i dont have a result that justify that increase.....
sorry my bad english
Is that's actually stable, that's really impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Is it LinX max RAM & P95 Large ffts stable?
I would not say your voltages are too high at all TBH.
yes. pretty stable with those voltages.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1852/over5.jpg
Ok guys so i decided to go with a new Cpu the almighty Q96550 hopefully with this chip ill be able to break the 4.0 ghz barrier which i had with my Q6700 ill post you my setting as soon as it arrives Dave Out :cool:
wow.. your quad only needs the same voltage as my duo(E8400 E0) Really impressive... or is it suppose to be better than E0 duos?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Yeah the E0 revision are really well made... appart from being 45nm which give out less heat, the main difference i found was that the E0 consumes less power so i suppose more oc is possible at lower voltages...
I was talking about E0 quads require less volts than E0 duosQuote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
He has a really low VID chip. My VID is higher than what he is running that OC at and some of these newer Qs have higher VIDs than mine. It's all luck of the draw really.Quote:
Originally Posted by deaffob
Which P5Q DLX bios is currently the best? :p:
I think the latest tend to be the best... but not always thought for asus boards i always bothered getting the latest bios out i got 2201 and i got not problem with it matey
In all honestly, from all the different BIOSes i've tried (betas, modded, officials), i've found very little difference.
I personally am still on 1805, as it works just fine for me & i haven't felt the need to update.
Could be partially because i have the P5Q Deluxe, whereas Asus cripples the lower end boards (this being where Ket's modded BIOSes become especially useful).
Guys i am now doughting between the Q9650 or the core i7 920 which one do you think will performe better if i do get the i7 that would mean changing my board and ram which would cost me a lot more than the Q9650.... but if the new chip is much faster (which i dont know) i might move over..... what do you guys think?? also getting my 28" monitor soon :-)
I say get a Q9550 for $169.99 at Micro Center and go for 4.1GHZ like every one else seems to be lately and be happy with that. I would wait for a couple new CPUs to come out for Intel and another new Chipset or two. When the Performance difference will be bigger and noticable between these Quads and the new CPUs and then pounce.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
Dude I have enough power with this new Q9550 to last for a while seriously. Maybe use that money to get a new GPU depending on how they perform compared to what you have. I don't know though. I asked in the 9550 Thread if any one thought I am maxing out this Chipset now and no one answered me about it. Does any one here have an opinion on that question?
agree, but dont expect do get 4.1 ghz.
It is a hit or miss
but i think the extra money buying a new mobo, processor(i7) and memory, dont deserv it now.
I7 in general has higher minimum fps, which makes some games better playable, though the extra cost you pay for that premium is not really worth it. Liek stated before, get an 9550 or 9650, OC it to 3.8-4Ghz and you will have enough CPU power for any game out there... Maybe you can sell that GTX 275 and grab 2 ATI 4890 cards to power that 28 inch monitor...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Do you think I am maxing this thing out at this point Lee? :shrug:
nope mate, but instead of going I7 it might be better to opt for some dead cheap 4890 cards to support his big monitor... Will be far more beneficial than boosting to a whole new platform (english is not my main language so some stuff I post might not be 100% clear) and be stuck with one gtx 275 (bottlenecking !)
Thank you for the reply and I wasn't sure about his video card. They are coming out with the 5000 series next and prices will be dropping again to you must think of that. I am sticking with mine for awhile unless they stumble apon the holy grail of GPU performance and come out with awesome video cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
It's not like you would really be spending that much more depending on your board and ram choices after selling off your current components. You would be gaining more performance for your dollar over the q9650 from your Q6600 with the i7 920.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
But am not sure about running 2 ATI's i mean the chipset in the board is a P45 so ill be running at 8 x speeds :mad: which i have had some expiriences and i have to say they are pretty crap where there Nvidia or Ati if not running at full 16 x both of them i wont Xfire plus i bought this board for other reasons if i wanted to use 2 cards i would of got a SLI board.... i do a lot of Photoshop web and graphic design also use low level language programing and i play mostly crysis and fear series so ill probably buy a Single mre powerfull card routher than 2 and Xfire cos IMHO SLI or crossfire dont give you a massive improvement and is worse running them on 8 x......:(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
My mother board just can not, handle above 480 to well. I have been messing around with it for a couple of days when I can any way. I am working 64hr weeks at work right now, third week in a row! I was able to get 485 semi stable but, I backed it back down after trying 490 because I just couldn't get it, stable. I will mess with it more here soon though. I wish this chipset could handle more FSB because I know my chip can handle more, hell I think that my Q9450 could at this point too. The kid I sold it to is lucky because it was a golden chip.
Edit: Also, Lee, I think I might be maxing this thing out man because I was looking around last night and seen people with less power then me getting higher scores then me in 3DVantage by like 1000 points (with similar setups, CPU, GPU exe.). I will keep poking at this thing until I can say for sure whether or not I am maxing this thing out. I wish some one that lives close to me in the Ohio area with a X48 MB would come visit me for some overclocking fun with some of my setup so I can say for sure whether or not I am maxing this thing out.
Does the BIOS version 2201 still overvolt the DRAM? If so, by how much?
I skimmed through the later pages of this thread for the overvolt on the BIOS version 2201, but couldn't find it. I might've missed it.
that could differ from board to board mate, some overvolted with every bios, some newer revs never did. Only one way to find out is to test the rams with eg 0.08 less volts or to get a DMM and do the readouts yaself; It's not because mine overvolts that yours does too, sorry but I know this does not really help ya
How come the Gigabyte UD3R motherboards can push Quads so far, as far as FSB goes and the P5Q Deluxe can barely get over 480? I can get it to go past 480 but, barely like 485 was the farthest I could get it to go and that took slowing everything down on the motherboard.
They push FSB Term volts way higher... set FSB term voltage to AUTO and see what happens... 500FSB is no problem on the P5Q Dlx, but ya rams have to run at 1200mhz then... 2Gb is also far easier than 4
http://users.telenet.be/OAP/P5QDlx/500-1200.jpg
This dude is running 2 x 2GB and in 1:1 which ends up being him running his memory at 1100. Also he is running 550FSB! What FSB Term voltage is the highest you should go with this board or chipset whatever you want to call it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Well I'm talking about our P5Q Dlx, where it is far easier to keep quads at high FSB when the ram divider is NOT 1:1... if you dare to push FSB and PLL volts the Dlx can do it too... (keep in mind that your CPU and cooling need to keep up too) My Qx got over 10°C hotter with 500FSB vs 450FSB under prime ( watercooled ) who's this dude you are referring too ? Sergio, Napalm, Jor , OC nub ?
I made a mistake sorry he is running 2GB looks like. Everything else I said was right, or you could say 50% of what I said was correct LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViViD
he got a computation error with pifast (not stable) Pi1Mb can be run un a very unstable platform and Wprime is zero ram dependant... if he's on Phase or water that would explain a lot... if it's on air he's got a great clocking CPU there...
I'm struggling with my Q9550 on the EP45T UD3LR, 485FSB is stable, 500 is not...( no GTL tweaks for CPU nor MCH in the bios ) on air though... I hope to tweak it properly on the Maximus Gene II board ( if it ever comes lol)
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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Well, that is to be exspected I assume considering how high up he is clocked. I am supprised he even got in to Windows with that. What is the max FSB Term that should be pushed on this chipset again? Sorry for all the questions. I am cross shipping me a new board tomorrow or the next day. I am hoping that this will enable me to push a little further with this bad boy because I know it can handle it I am thinking just the motherboard can't. This mother board actually had the NB replaced on it already, we won't go in to what happened to it to make it burn out. (lightning) :rofl:
I'm keeping FSB term sub 1.35 mate, but some just pump over 1.4 through their quad CPU's... with phase or such you can go far lower with the volts then when on air... Lets hope they put a newer rev NB on you PCB...
My NB never really liked anything over 1.32Nb volts, with the Giga's we are happily pushing 1.4 and beyond there... really strange
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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
It is going to be a whole new board, they agreed to cross ship me one. They had replaced the NB once because well, Lightning happened to grace it with it's glory and fried it. I don't think it has been the same since. I talked them in to cross shipping me another one because I helped them resolve that issue awhile back with the Q9450 and alikes, where I had sent them my CPU so they could troubleshoot the issue because they didn't have a Q9450 to use.
As far as the NB voltage goes, yeah I think something is going on there that we are not aware of. Hence the questions about why dude can go soooo far with his P45 chipset and here I am, can't get over 485. I honestly can say for a fact that this thing is holding me back at this point, just don't know why.
he uses chilled water too, with load temps of 20°c, helps fsb big time !!
I noticed you asked him what he was using. I got some new memory on the way and the new motherboard so, I will see what happens when I get everything together and post the results. I ordered some OCZ Blade DDR2 1150 memory.
Leeghoofd, sorry this is offtopic but I heard you mention a custom prime run that you use in your reviews could you tell me a little more about it? Thanks.
I just use Prime95 (32bit or 64bit depending on OS used), custom mode selected with 20K - 20K set... it fails faster than normal small FFT's, plus we compared it with the then actual IBT and temps were within 3-4°C of IBT (current linX is again up to 7-10°C difference on the cores) But my main test is to have constant heatoutput to test my watercooling or other cooling gear... ( With the IBT I stress my own hardware way harder and I'm already over 200 hours primes with the current I7 watercooling blocks roundup )
yeah I got my Q9650 E0 Finally!!!!! let you know how good i oc!!
Incredible CPU manage to do 4.10 Ghz pretty easy i would should you the pics of my benchmark if i knew how to upload a picture of bigger than 600 x 600 lol really happy with it though 1.4 vcore only
That seems a lot of volts to get 4GHz David.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
I'm running 4GHz with a Q9550 at only 1.256 (actual) and that's not particularly special for an E0 chip. See if you can ease off on the volts (or push the FSB up for 4.2+).
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1.44 on CPUv is that too much?? it wont boot if it goes below 1.4 ?? so what should i do? plus the temps are really good anyway
That is probably because you are pushing the FSB to far for this motherboard for one thing and you probably need to tweak the rest of your BIOS settings so you can get that Voltage for the CPU lower. You can post your BIOS settings and some one here will tell you what to tweak that will probably land you less voltage being required for the CPU and then you should be able to get 480FSB stable with the motherboard as well. I am basing this off my own experience so far by the way. I can't get 485 FSB completely, stable on this mother board.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
Also when ever i got above 4.25 it will decress the benchmark only on the graphic test ?? which is quite weird could it be that the board is bottlenecking the gpu as the cpu goes to higher fsb?? :shrug: i dont know this chip goes way over 4.5 which loads really fast but when i load games it will lose FPSs' ?...
Thats because your not stable. Dude I hope that vcore is without loadline. Thats quite a bit of juice. You shouldn't need that. You might want to try tweeking the other settings in the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by davidkozat
Ok update, I have my new one in and it is flakier then the other one I was using and seems to have issues going as high as my other one did. I have been trying 485 again and it just won't stay stable but, Lee you will be interested in this part. I noticed that no matter what settingd I was tweaking exedra nothing would make 485 stable so, I cranked up the, you guessed it NB voltage to1.4V and it made it more stable. Still unstable I cranked it up to 1.5! Still more stable but still not completely stable. I am scared to go higher then that though. I am messing around with 480 for a minute now since know I had that stable before. I should (crossing fingures) get my new memory tomorrow too. That will be the sweetest part to play with.
Yeah, absolutely no doubt about it now. I was having issues with 480... Tried few things nothing would make it more stable. Just cranked up the NB voltage to 1.58v!!! Running stable with Prime95 right now no, :banana::banana::banana::banana:! This is nuts!
I backed my settings down for now to 450 x8.5! just until I get all my drivers installed exedra and then I will keep tweaking away. Interesting how high of voltage this thing likes when getting up their in FSB. I will have to feel this new board out for awhile apparently because it is like night and day compared to my other mother board. I have tried all my old settings and this thing just likes more voltage. I ran prime95 all last night at 450 x 8.5. I set my NB voltage to 1.3 and turned down my cpu voltage to 1.248v and it ran through prime all night just fine. Totaly different beast here now.
I am having issues installing the damn chipset drivers though. Has any one here figured out how to get intel chipset drivers to properly install with these mother boards while running windows 7? I will run the setup and it just says finished, I know damn well nothing installed.. Tried googling can't find anything about it. Normaly I have a driver program that does it for me but I have to have the support team for the program reset my keys for it before I can use it again and I don't want to wait 48hrs for that to happen. I have tried compatability mode for Vista Service pack 1 and run as admin and that isn't working either. I can't be the only person to run in to this issue.
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I'm pretty sure I installed using vista compatibility mode when I put the beta on. Maybe the RC already has the correct chipset drivers built in. Pretty much everything else is!Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
If not, could it be a download that's not got all the file? I'm using IntelP45ICH10R_Chipset_V9001009_XPVista.
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I always have this issue for some reason which is why I started using that driver program which is actually good if they had better key management but, always had this issue with Windows 7 for some reason. Windows 7 is using an old~ driver. I want to install the newest ones then install my other drivers but, can't do it until I get this issue resolved first. I just don't get it. I will try safe mode real quick and report back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkman Returns
Reporting back: Nope safe mode did the same thing. I hate Intel for this one. Any one else? I just don't get it. I am not going to do each one by it self that is for sure. When I use that driver program it kicks in and ask me about every single driver it installs and installs every single one, it kills me I can't figure this one out.
Another Update: First of all, I said hell with the newest drivers for now and installed my GPU drivers. Second, I really can't get past 470FSB with this motherboard I have now. I have been tweking and poking and just can't manage. I can get up to 460FSB just fine. I might try clearing the motherboard for a few hours with the battery out and see if it has some ghost BIOS weird thing going on or something.\
Updates further: I didn't clear it out for two hours like I said in my upset state at th emother board but, I let it sit for awhile and I also unplugged and replugged in all my power supply connections and mother board connections and checked for loose wires every where and I am now on 470FSB stable it looks like. I noticed when I first installed this thing that I got a fatal error message and a cpu has been changed message as well, maybe it was a ghost. :sofa:
Ok this is really annoying now?! i am still getting a low benchmark on 3D mark 06 :shakes:? i really dont know why i tried to put it back in stock and i get an amount of gpu and cpu score and the more a push the cpu the better the score on the cpu but the worse on the gpu?? why should it not go both up sinces the cpu is responsable for helping the gpu fps to go higher?? i dont get it, it only happens whenever i go higer that 3.9 ghz?? could it be that am bottlenecking the northbrige?? really dont know? :shrug: