Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

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10-02-2008, 06:39 AM
Astratuner

please brong new lower volts using uber low latency, high speed ram please :D
10-02-2008, 09:08 AM
Drwho?

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Originally Posted by BenchZowner

I haven't killed any of those E8500's and E8600's that I'm running debunking the High Vtt / Vpll / Vcore Wolfdale/Yorkfield ( 45nm ) myth, I haven't killed any DDR3 ram in ages... I plan keeping it like that, and I'm quite sure Nehalem agrees with me :p:

please don't kill our babies! :p:
10-02-2008, 10:01 AM
Astratuner

just find out that there are since yesterday and today reviews out of the new intel core i7 940 cpu!

Google it ftw!:up:
10-02-2008, 10:45 AM
BenchZowner

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

please don't kill our babies! :p:

I hope they won't die :D
That's what I'm counting on ;)
10-02-2008, 11:06 AM
Vozer

Xtreview.com said that Turbo Mode will only be available with Core i7 Extreme Edition. Mr Drwho?, is that really the truth? :(

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Originally Posted by Xtreview.com

Recently we reported that Intel will remove the planned limitation for low-end Bloomfield models overclock (memory and QPI bus). Those desiring to obtain the complete overclock possibility had to acquire the processor Core i7 Extreme 965 (3.2 GHz), which not only possess the high QPI frequency (6.4 GT/s against 4.8 GT/s in other models), but also come with unlocked multiplier.

However, as reports associate, the support of Turbo-regime will be available only for Core i7 Extreme 965 processors, which will obtain the unlocked multiplier.

Now all Bloomfield can overclock the memory and QPI bus. The thickness of memory frequency ratio can vary from 2x to 32x, and QPI bus- from 4x to 64x. The processors Core i7 920 (2.66 GHz) and Core i7 940 (2.93 GHz) come with the locked multiplier, which determines the core clock frequency. Accordingly, Intel Dynamic Speed Technology will not be supported.
10-02-2008, 11:27 AM
Shintai

Turbomode is on all higher i7 parts. Xtreview doesnt exactly look like a good site either for new :p:

Seems to be some homegrown speculation news coupled with the multiplier lock.
10-02-2008, 12:46 PM
XS Janus

Has this test been posted yet?
http://uneit.com/2008/09/24/intel-co...-in-real-test/
10-02-2008, 01:10 PM
informal

Yes it was.It's basically a pconline.com review that the site you linked ripped off(they didn't post a link to the original review which is very lame)
10-02-2008, 01:16 PM
pajaa

@Shintai
define "higher". ;)
10-02-2008, 02:15 PM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by pajaa

@Shintai
define "higher". ;)

Anything above "celeron" class. That means most of the Lynnfield, all bloomfield, all servers and some of the auburndales.
10-02-2008, 02:40 PM
Drwho?

All Core i7 have Turbo, but only the extreme edition has unlocked Turbo, it is exactly like Core 2.
God, I wish the press stop speculating, or at least ask PR before they write something.
10-02-2008, 02:42 PM
xVeinx

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

God, I wish the press stop speculating, or at least ask PR before they write something.

We do too, trust me. Thanks for putting straight what you can prior to release :).
10-02-2008, 03:35 PM
AuDioFreaK39

@ anyone with a Nehalem ES chip:

what kind of performance would I be looking at with three 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 1333MHz (6-6-6-20) modules? I've had Tracers for a long time and I'm not willing to give them up just yet.
10-02-2008, 03:53 PM
xVeinx

See, that is a great question. Memory performance has been suffering under the ES chips/boards (from the stuff I've seen), so it would be interesting to see if there are large gains in the faster memory, or if there is a memory speed beyond which things plateau. On the other hand, having some solid state drives, etc. might up the possibilities as well. It would be nice to see a coherent look at just what the system bus speeds/memory system promises.
10-02-2008, 04:08 PM
Zytek_Fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39

@ anyone with a Nehalem ES chip:

what kind of performance would I be looking at with three 2GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer DDR3 1333MHz (6-6-6-20) modules? I've had Tracers for a long time and I'm not willing to give them up just yet.

Given the past performance of Ballistix Tracers, there should be a lot of overclocking headroom :up:
10-02-2008, 07:02 PM
Drwho?

I keep saying that you will be better to look for modules with 1.5V to start with ... people really concidere this, some hight voltage modules will not start at all, so, you will not have the opportunity to set their voltage in the bios.
I am talking about over 1.8Volts. ( to protect your CPU , the default setting will not allow more than this, and many modules refuse to under volt/clock)
do you understand why?
10-02-2008, 07:33 PM
AuDioFreaK39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

I keep saying that you will be better to look for modules with 1.5V to start with ... people really concidere this, some hight voltage modules will not start at all, so, you will not have the opportunity to set their voltage in the bios.
I am talking about over 1.8Volts. ( to protect your CPU , the default setting will not allow more than this, and many modules refuse to under volt/clock)
do you understand why?

no I don't understand why. could you explain?

also, how will higher voltage memory (1.8v+) hurt the CPU if the memory multiplier is unlocked / independent from the CPU?
10-02-2008, 07:40 PM
T_Flight

I read you 5x5 DrWho. I'll be going with 1.55 or lower. We can always clock up, but if you get stuck where you can't clock down you are screwed if the thing won't boot. If it came to that, I'd rather have slightly lower clocks, than no clocks at all. This thing is already a Bandwidth monster anyway so I don't see what the 1.55 sticks would hurt at all.

SSD's just aren't mature enough yet, and I'm not quite ready to take the plunge on them yet. Maybe in a couple years when the capacity gets up over 150GB and the price gets to 1 dollar per GB or better. Sequential speeds also need a boost. For now I'm very happy with the WD Velociraptor at 150Gb for my OS and games. I have a RADI array with dual mirrored 160's, and a fairly fast 16MB cache 2500KS drive that is SATA II for storage and video.

On the memory "Guess why"? Compatibility I'd say. At least I assume that since they've came up with the new JEDEC standard. I'm not gonna risk compatibility or the CPU or the controller. I'll run what is reccomended...whatever it takes.
10-02-2008, 07:45 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39

no I don't understand why. could you explain?

also, how will higher voltage memory (1.8v+) hurt the CPU if the memory multiplier is unlocked / independent from the CPU?

I will venture a guess ...

http://www.sematech.org/meetings/arc...ng_HiKGate.pdf (page 32) .... it may be the high-k materials suffer from higher rates of degradation at higher voltages overall, and hence one may want to limit the max allowable voltage on the IMC in order ensure the 3 yr warrantee.

EDIT: FYI ... multipliers (actually memory dividers) and voltages are not synonymous.
10-02-2008, 07:55 PM
Revv23

It's because high memory voltage will fry the memory controllers on these CPU's.

DrWho? has already said it many times.
10-02-2008, 08:01 PM
Movieman

If this will do 4000mhz 24/7 @100% load with good air or water cooling it's a winner in my book. I know some of you want much higher speeds for benching,etc but there just may be the reality that for that kind of use the yorkies or wolfdales may be the better choice.
I mean take a look at what people are doing with the E8600 E0's..
6500mhz and SP1m times under 7 seconds..
I don't think this one is going to be equal in those areas but will rule in others.
That's just what I think, not what I know..
10-02-2008, 11:05 PM
AuDioFreaK39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revv23

It's because high memory voltage will fry the memory controllers on these CPU's.

DrWho? has already said it many times.

ah, right right, because of the IMC. gotcha. ;)

by the way, I may have figured out the official Bloomfield release date according to the following information:

SF3D says the NDA will be lifted November 13. He has many pictures of the Foxconn motherboard.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...14#post3328214

And here's the new GIGABYTE X58 rev 0.2 board that hicookie posted:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=EX58-Extreme

This seems to be on the same track as what the Aussie's say:
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...705932&page=21

and

X58 motherboards already for sale

Goes exactly in line with what Fudo told me as well:

Nehalem release date - 99.99% accurate:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5...mlaunchem7.png

If the QX9650 launched on a Monday, November 12, 2007, then it looks like we may have our release date guys!

Monday, November 17, 2008

am I rite? :D
10-02-2008, 11:36 PM
Sampsa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

All Core i7 have Turbo, but only the extreme edition has unlocked Turbo, it is exactly like Core 2.
God, I wish the press stop speculating, or at least ask PR before they write something.

Ok, so Core i7 920 (2,66 GHz) will have default multiplier 20x but with Turbo Mode it can raise two speed bins to -> 22x 133 MHz = 2,93 GHz

Core i7 940 (2,93 GHz) will have default multiplier 22x but with Turbo Mode it can raise two speed bins to 24x 133 MHz = 3,2 GHz.

Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 (3,2 GHz) will have unlocked Turbo -> 2 or more speed bins = 3,466 GHz or more.

:)
10-02-2008, 11:41 PM
Movieman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sampsa

Ok, so Core i7 920 (2,66 GHz) will have default multiplier 20x but with Turbo Mode it can raise two speed bins to -> 22x 133 MHz = 2,93 GHz

Core i7 940 (2,93 GHz) will have default multiplier 22x but with Turbo Mode it can raise two speed bins to 24x 133 MHz = 3,2 GHz.

Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 (3,2 GHz) will have unlocked Turbo -> 2 or more speed bins = 3,466 GHz or much more.

:)

fixed..:rofl:
10-03-2008, 05:47 AM
David_L6

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Originally Posted by Movieman

If this will do 4000mhz 24/7 @100% load with good air or water cooling it's a winner in my book. I know some of you want much higher speeds for benching,

All I want from one of them is 40,000 ppd crunching WCG. :eek: ;)

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