DFI looks to have a winner here.

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10-03-2004, 02:12 AM
Zeus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Formann

For some the DFI might be a winner, but the one i got is not good at all. If i try to run 2.9vdimm or more, its unstable. With 2.8vdimm i can do 255 3-3-2-6, but with 2.9 or 3.0v i cant even run Super-pi 1M. 3.1vdimm gives me BSOD if i try to run 240 or higher.

Im using a OCZ EB 3500Platinum, and its working just fine on KV8Pro and K8NS.

SmartGuardian reports; 3.15v (3.3c) 4.8 (5v) and 11.8 (12v) but my multimeter reports 3.4, 5.3 and 12.4v (From molex and aux)

Im a bit dissapointed. :(

One or two others here in Norway have the exact same problem.

Did you flash to the 4Vdimm bios?

If you did, you have to set VID control to anything other than auto or else Vdimm will set back to 2.5V.

If you set 1,5V for example you can set any Vdimm you like as long as you stay around 0,1-0,15V under your 3,3V ATX voltage.

Hope this helps. ;)
10-03-2004, 03:28 AM
KingZer0

@Ted

thx for your opinion Ted.

@all

What do the other guys suggest?
U all know its something difficult with all that rumors roaming around ;)

In my opinion maybe the amount of config options results in a greater potential of misconfiguration but i dont want to use this as an argument if it isnt part of the truth.

I heard about Voltage fluctuations with this board which are out of normal can u agree with that?

It seems there are not so much disapointed people @ XS like i saw in other forums am i right? :)
10-03-2004, 03:38 AM
ahfung

I dont' encounter voltage flutuations on mine. First of all you need to ake sure getting a quality PSU > 400W with good 12V rail (>=18A IMHO) if you want to overclock seriously. My Enermax Noisetaker 470W can keep the 12V at 11.77V when 2.6GHz full load, while the former SPI 400W would drop to ~11.5V.
10-03-2004, 04:31 AM
Perc

@ted

Quote:

I even sent back my First MSI 250 K8 Neo board. And got another one and had the same problems. I couldnt get past 225fsb 1:1 or even using memory dividers and dropping back to 166 or 133!!!

see man it wasnt just me who had problems with that POS MSI you your self just described the same problems i was having to the "T" .... im so glad this DFI is nothing like that MSI and actualy ocs! i couldnt be happyer with this mb. infact when it comes to 754 platform i wouldnt recomend anything but the DFI for ocing. now i did hear somthing that i dont know if its true or not but. i heard that the DFI at stock settings is slower then other 754mb's anyone hear the same thing? i cant see this mb being slow at any speeds. even though i will admit that with my 3200 clawhammer and the older an50r at 2350mhz was getting 22006k in 3dmark using my 9800pro and with this 3000 newcrapsle and DFI mb oced to 2700mhz is only getting 22067k in 3dmark using the same 9800pro same everything just difernt mb/cpu? now i dont know if this is a driver issue with my 9800pro or that i just need to spend more time tweeking but i would of expected a big ass jump in score with a 300mhz diff in oc....

peace perc,
10-03-2004, 05:19 AM
Mrki

dfi is low @ standard timings! u must tweak enouth to find the optimal settings!
with no tweaking i have with 10x250, 37sek in pi! with tweaking i have at the same 10x250, 35sek in pi ;)
10-03-2004, 05:24 AM
Formann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedinde

I've seen most of the problems with My MSI NF3 and others mostly because of Memory when they finally tracked it down and switched to different sticks. I've got 4 sets of BH5's here. 2 sets my MSI and DFI absolutly hate and the board wont overclock with a dam when they are in.

It drove me crazy at first. And the last thing i would've suspected was my good BH5's that easily do 265fsb 1:1 @ high volts in all of my IC7's, IS7's AI7's, Asus 800C's, And 240 1:1 in my AMD XP rigs all @ 2-2-2. I refused to belive i had a memory problem. I even sent back my First MSI 250 K8 Neo board. And got another one and had the same problems. I couldnt get past 225fsb 1:1 or even using memory dividers and dropping back to 166 or 133!!!

Then for the hell of it i stuck in my Geil PC4200's and dam if i couldt hit 300fsb 1:1 out of the board, And yes i have screenies if you need me to find them. Then i pulled my 2x 256 BH5's out of another rig and the MSI loved them 260 1:1 all day long @ 2-2-2 settings. Seems my MSI board didnt like 512 sticks!!!

a month ago i ordered Crucial Ballistix PC3200's and some Ballistix 4200's which by the way are the same sticks just the 4200's cost more but the same chips underneith, They just set up the SPD different. Thse sticks will do anything you want them to, If you want low latency 3200's or high latency 4200, just set the timings, This is all around memory.

222 up to 240fsb, 2.5-2-2 up to 270fsb and set it @ slack 2.5-3-3-7 up to 300fsb. I've bought 5 sets of the ballistix in the last month for mine and customers computers. This is the New BH5's in my book. Way cheaper and faster than my beloved and expensive Corsiar which i'll never buy again now.

Here's my smart Guardian PIC's. Im pretty sure it's reporting the CPU temps wrong!!! but my PS is untouched. I was thinking about using a Antec 3700 Case on top of the LS, but i guess i stick with the one that fits the best and everyone uses and seems to love the Lian Li 65's. Anyone looking for Cheap Antec Cases, Ebuyer.com has Antec slk3700's for $52 plus only $7 shipping. Im sure you all know these cases are usually $85 plus shipping everywhere, and when newegg sells them for $65 they sell out. Just about all Antec cases @ ebyer are in the $50's. I bought 8 SLK 3700's and stocked up!!! You'll spend that much on a generic case after you put a good power supply in it.

Hmm.. so it seems the DFI is very picky on the mem-sticks. Weird. Several ppl here in norway run OCZ EB 3500 on their DFI. But, when you mention it i recall anotherone with DFI/OCZ EB problems. He could´n even get the DFI running with one of his EB-sticks.
To get mine running i have to use dimm3. dimm1 or 2 is no POST.

Looks like i have to try out my BH5, and maybe buy some Ballistixs. Too bad.. this one EB stick can do 270 with 2.97v. I was really hoping to do 300+ with it. Maybe the DDR Booster would do the trick!?

Still, i wonder why the SmartGuardian reports much lover voltage than my PSU delivers. Its an Enhance 450w, and it has proven it selv more than once. I even tried with my Enermax 420 which undervolts the 3.3v rail a little. It delivers 3.25v. Even if the 3.3v line vas 0.15v lower, smartguradian and BIOS reported the same voltage; 3.15v. Something must be wrong.

Yeah, your SmartGuradian CPU temp seems to be it off .. not much tho :P

Zeus: I have had the CPU VID at 1.525 all the time. It must be something else f****ing up my OC. :mad:
10-03-2004, 05:38 AM
Ubermann

Does the Booster make the ram volt more stable ?
10-03-2004, 05:47 AM
spaceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahfung

One thing for sure is that if you are good at tweakings, your mb will be faster than a noob with a better mb. :hehe:

I think you just hit the nail on the head. Too many folks just don't want to take the time to learn what works, maybe even too lazy to format, then they blame probs on the hardware. ;)
10-03-2004, 06:41 AM
reject

the reason i was kinda unsure is casue my mobo died as i was trying to go form 9x to 2.6ghz, and i thought it was my cpu till i tried another. maybe overheating, but it couldnt casue the hs didnt feel hot
anyway, i have pretty average ADATAs, and i see that Perc has them.
i wonder how good these perform? i dont really have much luck with mobo ocing, but im pretty good with grakas :D
10-03-2004, 06:46 AM
KingZer0

@spaceman

Do u really think its that easy? ;)

Well maybe its right to say that the DFI increased internal latencies do make higher clock possible
If this would be true its even true that it makes no performance difference if u can kick your DFI to the max because other nforce3 mobos arent able to reach such high HTTs as the DFI

Well if this is right too than we have to say that maybe the DFI isnt the best board for people who dont have the components to achieve those high HTT/RAM Results.

What do u think?
10-03-2004, 07:06 AM
ahfung

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingZer0

@spaceman

Do u really think its that easy? ;)

Well maybe its right to say that the DFI increased internal latencies do make higher clock possible
If this would be true its even true that it makes no performance difference if u can kick your DFI to the max because other nforce3 mobos arent able to reach such high HTTs as the DFI

Well if this is right too than we have to say that maybe the DFI isnt the best board for people who dont have the components to achieve those high HTT/RAM Results.

What do u think?

You will find most BIOS settings of Lanparty available in A64 Tweaker, except a few low-level DRAM settings which is quite critical for a outstanding overclock. Unfortunately neither they are available in other mb at the moment. You may take a look at anandtech's review on Lanparty to see the BIOS options.

Other than that, it's the memory compatibility and various voltage manipulation that make it stand out from other S754 mb. Anandtech's review is a good read if you ... oh forget it since u are biased towards anandtech.

Of course, you are free to choose any S754 or simply just wait for upcoming 939 mb, don't just limit yourself to the Lanparty. As long as you are in the game you still have to invest some time spend some effort on the art of fine tuning.
10-03-2004, 07:27 AM
bldegle2

i am running with one of

"SPI 400W would drop to ~11.5V."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

those PS's right now. under full load, the 12v is 12.1, the 5 is 4.95 and the 3.3 is @3.6 (so i can throw some good juice to my BH-5).

they are totally pot adjustable, did you try adjusting the pots????

i hate to see people spending $$$ on something that could have been fixed with a tiny screwdriver and about 10 minutes worth of work.

baldy :rolleyes:
10-03-2004, 07:43 AM
ahfung

Quote:

Originally Posted by bldegle2

"SPI 400W would drop to ~11.5V."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

those PS's right now. under full load, the 12v is 12.1, the 5 is 4.95 and the 3.3 is @3.6 (so i can throw some good juice to my BH-5).

they are totally pot adjustable, did you try adjusting the pots????

i hate to see people spending $$$ on something that could have been fixed with a tiny screwdriver and about 10 minutes worth of work.

baldy :rolleyes:

Hey need to let you know that I loved my SPI while it's with my 8RDA+/1800+ which oc to 2.6GHz nicely. But the hard fact is that SPI400-60GN 12V rail only rate for 16A, while the Enermax Noisetaker 470W is talking about 33A! Both my A64 and 6800GT need a A LOT A LOT of 12V. The tiny screwdriver on the pots ain't going to do the magic.

The outcome is I got higher oc on both the 3200+ and 6800GT, pretty straight forward.
10-03-2004, 08:46 AM
jess1313

Has anyone had trouble with the 6800s in this board. If so did you find a fix.

Thanx

-Jess-
10-03-2004, 08:54 AM
jayl

Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx
10-03-2004, 09:52 AM
spaceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayl

Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx

Just a thought, did you clear the CMOS after flashing?
10-03-2004, 10:03 AM
jayl

Quote:

Originally Posted by spaceman

Just a thought, did you clear the CMOS after flashing?

Well, I don´t think so but I´ve done it since a couple of times. Maybe I should try to flash that bios again...
10-03-2004, 10:50 AM
ugp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tedinde

Which pot are you turning, i've had between myself and customers computers probably 25 fortrons, and i usually tweak them all. I've never seen the 3.3 adjustment changing anything but.

Go through this thread started by a hell of a good guy and it will let you know everything there is about a fortron 530

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=fortron

I think after that thread here, and OCforums. 2 weeks later after everyone started snatching the fortrons up from newegg and such, and Newegg was even running out of stock on them. Everyplace raised the price on the $10 at least. Supply and demand and so on!!!!!

Everyone know's im a fortron fanboy. I had to use my fortron 530 in a dual Xeon rig i sold to a customer last week, i have another one on the way, But until them in my around 3ghz A64 rig, Im actually using a never had the side off the fortron "STOCK" AURORA 350watt fortron.

Pics, Dont laugh at the hacked up case. It's better than proping it up on it's side, I order the Vapo LS on Wednesday and it got here Friday, Fast ass Ground shippping. I also ordered a Lian LI PC65 case to go with it and it didnt come as fast as the LS did!!! But im going to try a few cases i have here.

So i doubt there's one of you that would let a Vapo LS sit idle and im doing a lot of MB testing this weekend. So i cut up a cheap Micro Case for easy Access and bolted it down to the Vapo LS.

Here's some pics using only a 350watt Fortron with no pot adjustment. 290 HTT 1:1 memory!! Im using Crucial 3200 Ballistix memory So i dont need to adjust the memory over 3volts. I do have a OCZ booster but it's not needed, I have the 4v bios on my DFI. Also in the pics is a Pic with a Red arrow pointing @ the 350watt Fortron, and a 3ghz screenie. I can Light bench, Sisoft or a small super pi, But no 3dmark and such. And ugly case pics.

Im surprised this Vapo LS hits -60 unloaded and it's a Revision 1 LS. not a Revision 2 that's supposed to get colder.

Tried it. What I am going to do is turn them all the way up before OVP kicks in and then adjust my v5 rail down with a POT in-line with it. My friend and I are doing that. What is weird on my board the 1st and 3rd pots adjust all the ways no matter which I turn. The 2 pot doesn't seem to do anything at all. When we get my v12 rail where I want it it puts my v5 rail at v6+. So I am just going to tune it down
10-03-2004, 12:22 PM
Perc

Quote:

Originally Posted by reject

the reason i was kinda unsure is casue my mobo died as i was trying to go form 9x to 2.6ghz, and i thought it was my cpu till i tried another. maybe overheating, but it couldnt casue the hs didnt feel hot
anyway, i have pretty average ADATAs, and i see that Perc has them.
i wonder how good these perform? i dont really have much luck with mobo ocing, but im pretty good with grakas :D

so far my adata in this board get me 275-280 1:1 using the defualt 10x multi and 3xLDT so i gues im doing ok with them? i havent tired lowering the multi to 8x and trying for 300 yet but i suspect that lowering the multi will give me more then the 275-280 im already getting? anyways hows your adata treating you?

@UGP

thats what i was saying earlyer about turning the 5v rail down after you had the 12v where you wanted it...

peace perc,
10-03-2004, 02:54 PM
jess1313

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayl

Jess or anyone...

I am using your 4.0V mod bios. But I am having some problems with adjusting the mem voltage. When I set 3.2 from bios it works fine, but when I set 3.3V the mem voltage goes to 2.5V, what´s that?
I´ve got OCZ Powerstream and I have tried adjusting lines, but no solution to that problem... Any ideas? thx

Try reflashing with winflash & clear all blocks, then just set Vdimm to 3.8v & use the rail to ajust voltage.
10-03-2004, 03:33 PM
ugp

I got it stable now and so far I am at DDR500 with 1GB in. I am not complaining with this.
10-03-2004, 05:55 PM
The Mofo

Up that :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: bro, im sure shes got DDR533 in here :toast:
10-03-2004, 05:59 PM
ugp

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How my voltage should I need for 2.4?

And here is a screen shot of what I got so far
10-03-2004, 06:36 PM
ugp

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As I was typing the word "stable" it rebooted on me lol. But here is a clock I got but wasn't stable...
10-03-2004, 06:49 PM
reject

thats some nice scores!
perc my highest oc is in my sig but board died bfore i got a chance to go higher
are u using 1T? and what are your timings if thats 1T either that board is amazing or you have D5 chips

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