Damn I missed that the first time I looked at it. Huge driver issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
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Damn I missed that the first time I looked at it. Huge driver issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
What if the results are a freak accident due to some driver error, or incorrect/poor quality rendering? Surely there's a reason the "improvements" got pulled from the newer release?Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
I'm not trying to antagonise you, I really want this card to rock, but I think it's unrealistic to expect miracle boosts from newer drivers. Take the performance at face value today... any increase in the future will then be a pleasant surprise ;)
Didn't call it fake. I stated that the article says the IQ is questionable on the HD 2900XT in that review. They have screenshots to show it, and gave the win to the 8800 anyway. I didn't call them out on it, legitreviews did. Infact, in the conclusion they specifically say they'd like an explanation from AMD or NVidia on what happened with the HD 2900's IQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Oh, I realize that's how it's "suppose" to be. In reality though, in the high-end, it's one companies top-tier against the others. People compared the x1800 against the 7800GTX 512mb even though the price difference was huge, no?Quote:
we already know you like 8800GTX and 8800GTX its better then X2900
you didnt realise yet that x2900 compete with 8800GTS 640mb not with 8800GTX???
:horse:Quote:
Sapphire X2900XT in portugal = 375 euros
8800GTS 640mb in portgal = 399 euros
8800GTX in portugal = 550 euros
....
The price difference isn't nearly as large here... $100 difference on newegg between the cheapest HD 2900XT and 8800GTX.
Get this though, there's an $80 difference between the cheapest HD 2900xt and 8800GTS 640mb on newegg at the same time. $100 difference if you count the $20 MIR.
So, that makes the price gap identical from the 8800GTS 640 to the HD 2900XT, and going from the HD 2900XT to the 8800GTX...
Honestly though, I'm hoping AMD can get the R650 out the gates, and quick. With them not having the mid-range ready for atleast another month, and them really not being a clear decisive winner over the 8800GTS 640, they're going to be in a rather sizable amount of trouble if they don't pull a rabbit out of their hat quick. Even driverheaven said flat out that they "Cannot recommend this card.".
I had to laugh about your post hehehQuote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
Could be, who knows. If i would have the card, i would test it and tell you ;)
In this matter i think it can be, because the drivers are much less mature then we used to get at a new launch. For example, dvd playback is horrible at the moment, twice as slow then a X1950XTX (cant find the review anymore :S).
Black box from Valve in retail cost 40$ so do the Math again, because HD 2900 have it for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
And 10 other reviwes donīt said that. So why should anyone beleave on that guy in specific :slap:Quote:
Even driverheaven said flat out that they "Cannot recommend this card.".
The guys over at DriverHeaven.Net are very reputable and have been long supporters of ATI in general... so....Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
Most cards come with a free game, never before have people considered it money off the card, they've always just considered it a gift for buying said card.Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
I know my card came with dark messiah, which was also $40 when I bought the card.
I hope you were laughing in a nice way :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
I too think there will definitely be large performance boosts in upcoming drivers, but there seems to be a lot of people out there who have the impression it will leave the GTS in the dirt and maybe even topple the GTX in more games. This clearly won't be the case; at least not at stock clocks!!
Suman
AMD should ban crack from their driver team and start feading them meth coz right now it's just not good enough.
I’m glad that there aint a lot of (heavy) games worth playing, so I can wait just a little longer.. I hope that the R650 does a lot better.. Didn’t have a lot of luck with Nvidia cards in the past and don’t want to buy one of theirs…
Ha, its all a little up in the air at the moment whether this card is worth buying or not, I'm sure most will agree it looks to be somewhat of a dissapointment though. I bought my 8800GTS a few weeks ago and I'm not exactly hearbroken that I didn't wait for this.
All the reviews so far
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...hitecture.html
http://it-review.net/index.php?optio...1336&Itemid=91
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4946
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/11...ves/index.html
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2007/asus/EAH2900XT/g1.htm
http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=511
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39580
http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/431/
French translated review
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/reviews/16/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8687
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_2900_XT/
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/...Has%5FArrived/
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/...iewz/index.php
http://www.frazpc.pl/artykuly/537/AM...ot/konkurencji
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/449
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...&item=715&num=1
http://www.fx57.net/?p=662
http://www.chilehardware.com/Revisio...5131808/4.html
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1101&pageID=3442
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2128867,00.asp
Translated French with DX10 segment
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=601352
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_...mance_preview/
http://www.nordichardware.com/Reviews/?skrivelse=510
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/20...t/index.x?pg=6
http://tweakers.net/reviews/690
http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/rade...xt/index13.php
http://www.hartware.de/review_707.html
http://www.gpureview.com/Radeon-HD-2...-card-518.html
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/...-part3.html#p1
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/h...on_hd_2900_xt/
http://www.ixbt.com/video3/r600-part3-d.shtml#p31[/QUOTE]
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/0..._uk/index.html
http://www.altgamer.org/?p=1374&page=4
French translated matbe.com
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/artic..._2900_XT_test/
Digit-Life's review shows impressive numbers with and XT clearly beating GTS. Moreover contrary to a lots of reviews we can see an XT card wich handle filters much better. This review appeared very late in the day and seems to use far better drivers. However everyone prefers to use numbers from "old" reviews even if Shamino himself said in his review at vr-zone that new set of drivers brought huge performance each time. I repost the link again and i hope that reviews wich appeared during the week will show those types of numbers.
http://www.ixbt.com/video3/r600-part3-d.shtml#p818
You can change the stared out one fornowagain its not banned here. :)
Its this one by the way people
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8687
Wow, thats quite an extensive list there, nice one. Just do everyone a favour though and remove gibbo's link ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
I mean, i can see the words and letters in his post but all i read is: ''buy this from me, it must be bought from here, overclockers are the best, blah, blah, blah.''
Lowest NL prices (euro):Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Sapphire 2900XT - 337,50
Sparkle GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB - 328,95
Sparkle GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB DDR3 - 496
Lowest DE prices (euro):
MSI RX2900XT - 368,59
Sparkle GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB - 308,66
Sparkle GeForce 8800 GTX - 476
The German pricewatch is always slow with updating prices, so expect to see the 2900XT to get cheaper there.
[update] And some crazy Gainward GF 8800GTS 640MB for 263, 267, 271, 275 euro (4 different store prices, all including 19% tax)
Poor mascaras is working overtime :D
Good prices within 24h of launch if you ask me.
The measured power consumption of R600XT is somewhat strange though, Anandtech measured R600XT to ~20W above G80GTX at load which means R600XT only draws about 150W since G80GTX is known to consume 130-135W.
It's strange that Anandtech didn't say how they kept the 8800 busy. The 8800 can shut down circuits in order to save power. If you use a very simple program that doesn't utilize the entire card you might not get the maximum amount of power the 8800 can draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I dunno if the 200 watt that was specified for the 2900XT in that one review was accurate tough. It was hear-say.
What do you guys think of this? ATI cheating with IQ in COJ DX10? Hmm...
http://tertsi.users.daug.net/temp/R6...ia_vs_ati.html
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/504/2/
Doesn't look like cheating at all to me. Several of the reviews said that the AF was better on the NVIDIA cards and that is what that first link shows.
AF difference on textures that nearby? Sounds unlikely. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scimitar
I concur and raise with an AnandTech link : http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=14Quote:
Originally Posted by Scimitar
The nVidia 8800 has excellent normal and HQ AF, which far exceeds even the ATI x1900's rotationally-invariant HQ AF (it suffers from bleeding issue's under certain angles).
I believe the x2900 uses the AF from the x1900, and in that CoJ pic the wall in the fireplace is placed under the angle that makes ATI's HQ AF bleed (which is why this looks so veeeeeeeeeeeeery bad compared to other stuff around it). The blurring issue's are caused by the AA.
No way man, it's way to nearby I reckon....Quote:
Originally Posted by Noobie
Checkout http://www.elitebastards.com/anipic....jpg&speed=5000 to see the difference between rotational/angle-invariant AF on (= HQ on) & off (= HQ off). You can already see that start of the differences (very small, but the angle of the grass isn't really enough to see the bleeding accurately) in the grass-patch in front of the dude with the gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim
If ATI cheats with it's IQ it would have been visible in other places, as well, but there isn't anything else.
http://tertsi.users.daug.net/temp/R600/iq/coj_nv.jpg <- I hate jpeg compression
http://tertsi.users.daug.net/temp/R600/iq/coj_ati.jpg
I frigging hate mouseover......