Rampage III Gene fullcover waterblock?

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11-30-2010, 11:13 AM
Creekin

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Originally Posted by MrToad

"What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to p1ss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?" :D :p: (Steve Buscemi as Garland Greene in Con Air ;) )

hell yes! :clap:

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Originally Posted by MrToad

She knows very little about computers, but her logic is sound.

then MARRY her! you found the only one who is! :rofl::ROTF:
11-30-2010, 11:14 AM
tiborrr

Sorry guys I couldn't get a board yet but I have a question though: are you using CPU backplate?

Also, can you show me the clearance between the block and inductors (six grey rectangles in parallel) on this photo?
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9432/mb20.jpg

Best Regards,
Niko
11-30-2010, 12:49 PM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by psygnosi

Temporary Solution

I bought a 2nd Rampage III Gene and the EK Nickel/Acetal block to build. Since the 1st board and block are working fine, I did not want to take any chances so I basically taped the whole 2nd EK block(including the channel area and bottom part). I also taped the whole mosfet backplate as well. Now I put some thermal paste on the northbridge and put the taped up block on it. I cut a perfect rectangle on the part where the thermal paste made contact with a xacto knife. Then I got the thermal pads put them on the bottom of the block. I cut around the pads so that the tape underneath can be removed. I did the same thing to the Mosfet backplate. Last but not least I put red paper washers(screw head) on the bottom of the mosfet backplate.
Doing this eliminated any chance of the block causing the short. Only exposed area is the northbridge. The system booted and I was happy. I further went ahead and used the xacto knife to carefully cut around the line where the acetal and nickel met and removed the excess tape on the acetal area. Until someone can actually find where the exact location of the short is, this is possibly the only solution for now. Thanks and hope this helps you guys.

Psygnosi:up:

Thanks for the suggestion psygnosi, your success gives me good vibes :) think I'm gonna pull the thicker kapton tape now and basically insulate every mm2 of the block again (except what's in contact with NB/mosfets that is :p: )

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Originally Posted by Creekin

then MARRY her! you found the only one who is! :rofl::ROTF:

Her logic, as I said, is sound. Therefore she's not the marrying kind ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiborrr

Sorry guys I couldn't get a board yet but I have a question though: are you using CPU backplate?

Also, can you show me the clearance between the block and inductors (six grey rectangles in parallel) on this photo?
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9432/mb20.jpg

Best Regards,
Niko

No worries :)

I am using a CPU backplate, this one:

http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/ek...-cpu-1366.html

I found it works much better than the stock Supreme HF block backplate :)

Will take pics of the clearance tomorrow, at the moment I'm not @ home.
11-30-2010, 01:18 PM
Diverge

I would check continuity (to gnd, +5v,+12 ect). on everything that is metal on the board. The CPU block bolts, the aluminum caps, ect. Just to know what is what, and what might cause problems if the block touched it. You said you had a meter, why aren't you checking stuff? :P
11-30-2010, 01:58 PM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by Diverge

I would check continuity (to gnd, +5v,+12 ect). on everything that is metal on the board. The CPU block bolts, the aluminum caps, ect. Just to know what is what, and what might cause problems if the block touched it. You said you had a meter, why aren't you checking stuff? :P

Haahahhahahahahah! Because I killed another board before I even got to start checking? :p:

Feeling slightly apprehensive at the moment ;)

Tomorrow after work I will give it a go, right now I'm lounging on the sofa with my gf which has shorted anything... yet :p:
11-30-2010, 05:28 PM
zeropluszero

has anyone plumbed one of these boards with tubing yet?
im paranoid im going to need 45 degree fittings on everything :(

good luck MrToad!
12-01-2010, 04:19 AM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by zeropluszero

has anyone plumbed one of these boards with tubing yet?
im paranoid im going to need 45 degree fittings on everything :(

good luck MrToad!

I've plumbed it indeed, and depending on what tubing you're using and how you plumb the block you'll indeed need 90 degrees.

Using Tygon Silver 3/4" OD I couldn't make a bend tight enough to connect the CPU block outlet to the MB block. Maybe with a thinner walled/smaller ID tube is possible.

Personally I'm using the BP "swept" elbows (the articulated ones, formed by two 45 degree pieces) and it had little impact on the overall flow. Went from 1.48 gpm to 1.40 gpm after plumbing the block. This is my setup:

XSPC Laing DDC BayRes One + DDC 3.25 > EK Supreme HF > EK R3Gene Block > EK FC5870 + EK FC5870 (Parallel flow) > DDC 3.25 > Mo-Ra3 > Flow meter > Res

Bear in mind that there are 5 x BP 90 degrees and 2 x BP 45 degrees and the flow meter in this loop. Probably the flow meter has a higher pressure drop than the MB block :D
12-01-2010, 04:58 AM
zeropluszero

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Originally Posted by MrToad

I've plumbed it indeed, and depending on what tubing you're using and how you plumb the block you'll indeed need 90 degrees.

Using Tygon Silver 3/4" OD I couldn't make a bend tight enough to connect the CPU block outlet to the MB block. Maybe with a thinner walled/smaller ID tube is possible.

Personally I'm using the BP "swept" elbows (the articulated ones, formed by two 45 degree pieces) and it had little impact on the overall flow. Went from 1.48 gpm to 1.40 gpm after plumbing the block. This is my setup:

XSPC Laing DDC BayRes One + DDC 3.25 > EK Supreme HF > EK R3Gene Block > EK FC5870 + EK FC5870 (Parallel flow) > DDC 3.25 > Mo-Ra3 > Flow meter > Res

Bear in mind that there are 5 x BP 90 degrees and 2 x BP 45 degrees and the flow meter in this loop. Probably the flow meter has a higher pressure drop than the MB block :D

I'd be much more concerned about the MoRa for flow drop, but two DDC's should be fine.
I was hoping you might have a pic?
Im going to be using a Koolance CPU 360, and 3/8"-5/8" tubing. Thing Im worried about is the roof clearance, as this is going in a Lian Li V352.
12-01-2010, 05:19 AM
MrToad

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeropluszero

I'd be much more concerned about the MoRa for flow drop, but two DDC's should be fine.
I was hoping you might have a pic?
Im going to be using a Koolance CPU 360, and 3/8"-5/8" tubing. Thing Im worried about is the roof clearance, as this is going in a Lian Li V352.

No pics at the moment... But there are pics further back on the thread (courtesy of Psygnosi) of the MB with the block mounted.

Once I have the whole conundrum sorted I'll post some pics... I was going to put a worklog, but seeing how a little nightmare this is turning to be I never got around to do it...
12-01-2010, 05:06 PM
MrToad

OK, is definitely the mosfet part of the block the one creating the issue... If I apply pressure in the centre of the area is all good and dandy, the moment I apply pressure on the extremes all goes pete tong...

Have probed with the fluke (in continuity mode) and I can't find a derivation anywhere (tried with the header adjacent to the block first then the main ATX header).

The block is also completely insulated except the areas that have thermal tape or the NB.

I've noticed that the stock mosfet cooler has 0.5mm tape towards the exterior and 1 mm tape in the centre, will try to source some more 0.5mm tape (snow permitting) and try that way...
12-01-2010, 05:24 PM
zeropluszero

Well if that's what the stock cooler has, I'd be doing that too. Maybe asus changed the board after the ek block was designed, happens all the time.
Is there anything on your board to indicate it's a different revision?
I'll check my board when I get home.
12-01-2010, 06:52 PM
BrokenArrow

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Originally Posted by Vetalar

try to replace mosfet backplate to something harder to avoid bending of MOBO.

Can you post a picture of the MOSFET backplate you are using. Is it something like this?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...81&postcount=1
12-02-2010, 05:12 AM
zeropluszero

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Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

Can you post a picture of the MOSFET backplate you are using. Is it something like this?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...81&postcount=1

the mosfet backplate is very similar, and is included with the EK waterblock.

ive uploaded several photos to my worklog including this waterblock, should anyone be interested.
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...&postcount=210
12-02-2010, 05:26 AM
BrokenArrow

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeropluszero

the mosfet backplate is very similar, and is included with the EK waterblock.

ive uploaded several photos to my worklog including this waterblock, should anyone be interested.
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/sh...&postcount=210

I looked through your nice build log.. Do you have a picture of the MOSFET backplate installed on the mobo?
12-02-2010, 06:10 AM
zeropluszero

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Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

I looked through your nice build log.. Do you have a picture of the MOSFET backplate installed on the mobo?

sorry, i think that might have been the only thing i didnt take a shot of.

ok, i have it booted back at my desktop, everything seems to be running fine. temps seemed normal in the bios, i'll install everest now to see if it can monitor my temperatures in windows.

**everest reports a motherboard temperature of 38-39degrees. must be working i'd say, i put it under a lin-x run.
12-02-2010, 07:16 AM
MrToad

@ zeropluszero

Just a couple of questions if you don't mind :)

Did the stock MOSFET cooler also have two different thermal tapes? Grey 0.5 mm on both sides and pink 1.0 mm on the centre.

Also would you mind taking a close-up picture of the label on the top edge of the board? Is a narrow barcoded label with the model, revision and serial no. on it...

I'm still trying to figure out why everyone's fine and I've gone through two blocks and several boards with no joy...
12-02-2010, 10:42 AM
Vetalar

@MrToad

since on MObo killed northbridge, maybe You could thoroughly check NB MOSFETs (between NB and IO ports). as I understand from pix WB should have contact with 'em?
12-02-2010, 02:26 PM
zeropluszero

Check the pics in that link above mr toad. I used everything as ek said, except i added on an extra 0.5mm (so 1.5mm) on the middle part of the I/O mosfet. My stock heatsink also had the thinner grey and thicker pink pads.
I'll check serial when I get home later today, but yeh, my board seems to be working fine.

Chipset block was the hardest to install I've ever had to do- classified block was a breeze, and my old bitspower rampage formula and 780i's were difficult until this. Considering there's only 4 screws.
12-02-2010, 03:56 PM
Diverge

Seems kinda odd that the original heatsink has a thicker middle section of thermal pads. Either there is differences in the heights of the components, or they did that cause their heatsink might bow when tightening it.

If it is cause of the components being different levels, then using the same thickness thermal pads throughout would have either 2 effects:
1) not enough pressure on the middle section
or
2) too much pressure on the outer section (if you tighten it too much so the middle section has good contact).

someone needs to look into that and figure out the reasoning, and if the components are different levels.
12-03-2010, 02:22 PM
psygnosi

Since Zeropluszero got the Plexi/Nickel working with pics, here is mine with the Acetal/Nickel working plus the EK Southbridge also. Sorry for the blurry pics. Still waiting for the waterblock for my 6870 which should be here this next week. Anyway here ya go!
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...nosi/Gene1.jpg
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...nosi/gene2.jpg
and the southbridge:
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...nosi/gene3.jpg

Overall effect:
Remember I'm on a tropical island so it gets hot here, Normally my Northbridge would be 65c and southbridge 55c
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...i/desktop1.jpg
12-05-2010, 01:13 AM
zeropluszero

Had it working.
My boards second PCIe16 slot stopped working. Thinking perhaps I'd shorted it by tightening too hard, I loosened the screws around the X58 chip.
Turned it on, flash, boards fried.
Took the chipset block off, sure enough, lower corner of the X58 chip has a burn mark.

RMA time.
Anyone want to buy a block? Used once with distilled.
12-05-2010, 04:39 AM
MrToad

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Originally Posted by zeropluszero

Had it working.
My boards second PCIe16 slot stopped working. Thinking perhaps I'd shorted it by tightening too hard, I loosened the screws around the X58 chip.
Turned it on, flash, boards fried.
Took the chipset block off, sure enough, lower corner of the X58 chip has a burn mark.

RMA time.
Anyone want to buy a block? Used once with distilled.

I'm sorry about that :(

Personally I'm taking a "break" (no pun intended) from the build, waiting to see if Tiborr can shed some light over this.
12-05-2010, 04:49 AM
psygnosi

Hi Zeropluszero,

Sorry about that as well. I'm not touching both my systems since both are working with the Nickel/Acetal R3Gene blocks. I'm leaving them alone and not pulling out the boards anymore. I've tested both my PCI-E slots on both boards and they are both working fine. But now I'm too scared to touch it anymore. Here is a pic of the R3Gene bios Monitoring the temps(Artic Silver 3 has not set in yet):

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...i/P1010065.jpg

Psygnosi:eek:
12-05-2010, 06:34 AM
zeropluszero

dont apologise guys, i know its a risk like anything else. ive copped a brand new 4870 when they first came out and i fried that too. :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens.
i dont think i'll :banana::banana::banana::banana: around with the block if/when i get a new board, i guess i'll just get a better fan for the front of my V352 and hope that some of the air makes it over the chipset.

that's a serious post above for anyone that cares, Nickel Plexi block Im looking to sell, happy to sort out postage worldwide.
12-06-2010, 07:58 AM
MrToad

As much as I dislike giving up in this particular occasion I have to accept defeat and move on.

Surviving R3G stays on air for a different build (I'm putting together a less demanding system for my partner's family), block goes to the cupboard of unused parts and now I'm looking to the R3E for this build. It's going to be a bit of a tight squeeze (I never planned to use a full ATX board for this build) but don't like the rest of X58 Micro-ATX boards...

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