I feel like I just stepped out of a marketing/economics lecture and i'm standing with everyone outside the entrace that was too cool to go in or was kicked out...
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I feel like I just stepped out of a marketing/economics lecture and i'm standing with everyone outside the entrace that was too cool to go in or was kicked out...
Heh, if Intel is leading the market with like 80% share or greater, Intel still cannot be satisifed with $$$. The only time a business would be satisfied with $$$ is if it earns "too much", and that would never, ever happen. (A kinda riddle of an irony, right?)
NO LOL and you're NOT welcomed:rofl::ROTF: No ones posts are as useless and baseless as yours!Quote:
Originally Posted by B.E.E.F.
Yes, you are right! Some folks can get mad as much as they like, but about 80% of the world's recession was started in the good old America.Quote:
cegras
At least it didn't land the whole world into recession, amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Intel's price are flat to high, maybe they're already hedging their bets? Intel is still using Rebates and Shared Marketing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad
Here's some more useless info.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...55~947,00.html
As far back as 1997
Must not have heard me say I wish ALL REBATES were made illegal:rolleyes:Quote:
In conjunction with the new product, AMD will promote a rebate program aimed at North American VARs who purchase the PIBs. The rebate program involves an industry-first joint effort with Microsoft® Corp. For each group of 50 AMD-K6 PIB-based systems sold with officially licensed versions of the Windows®95 operating system, the U.S. or Canada-based VAR may submit the proper combination of AMD and Microsoft rebate coupons for up to $500 cash back.
"Microsoft is pleased to work with AMD to offer additional rebate dollars to system builders who purchase the AMD-K6 processor with genuine Windows 95," said Doris Medlicott, Manager of Microsoft OEM Sales, North America. "This promotion demonstrates that Microsoft continues to be committed to proactively supporting system builders who license legitimate products."
i don't think that's a good wish, the rebates offered to end users are usually scams, but rebates offered to oem's are quite helpful to business. the problem comes when component manufacturers attach stipulations to the rebate: "we'll sell you 1000 pentium 4's for $1 each, but you can't buy any amd processors for the rest of the year." <--that is the problem. it's anti-competative, unethical, irresponsible, and illegal. throwing a rebate out there for a short time to generate interest in your product and stir up the market is a great thing and should be encouraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Adopting this position but then attacking Intel's use of rebates doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you don't understand how these rebates are being used.Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
These rebates aren't stating that you can't buy from a rival, but they are structured in such a way that it produces much the same result as though it was stated.Quote:
the problem comes when component manufacturers attach stipulations to the rebate: "we'll sell you 1000 pentium 4's for $1 each, but you can't buy any amd processors for the rest of the year." <--that is the problem.
That is why Donnie's point about all rebates being scrapped is probably a good one, but of course no one should be confused and think that the benefits AMD derives from rebates matches the benefits that Intel has received from their use of rebates.
it would be impossible for amd to derive the same benefits from rebates as intel, as amd doesn't have the same manufacturing capacity and can't offer rebates in the same volume. i'm simply against anit-competative business practices in general, whether it's presented in the form of a rebate, contract, or a poke in the eye with a stick. if any company is involved in anti-competative or monopolistic business i feel that should be brought to the public's attention, then delt with by regulators. and perhaps that is the source of the problem: a lack of regulation. i understand the concerns of those who would rather our government stay out of business. however, when the actions of a major commodity manufacturer drive competition from the market place, the repricutions for the consumer can be huge. i believe it's our governments role to help protect us from these unfair dealings; maybe it's high-time we all wrote our senators asking for some congressional intervention in the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
i will stick to this idea though:
i see this as the same as having a sale.:shrug:Quote:
throwing a rebate out there for a short time to generate interest in your product and stir up the market is a great thing and should be encouraged.
Notice how the loudest guy in the room isn't the smartest? Not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
A simple google search reveals, that Intel has moved to a flat pricing model since 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
This is embarrassing Donnie, do some homework before you post.
There's a difference between offering rebates to OEMs that buy in quantity, and offering cash to OEMs to not buy a competitor's product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Intel did the latter.
Was HP forbidden to buy from Intel in that deal? :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
You should've excused yourself from this thread the moment you've said Intel shouln't be fined because it would best for the consumer, but i see you went on embarassing yourself even further. :clap:
I wish they all (rebates) were made illegal because they're too easy to manipulate. Then that diverts them their original purpose. There are tons of ways to do promotions that are right up front and they provide competition. Instead of being Anti competitive, they force competition. They don't give HP an advantage over Dell or etc.... The problem is there's too thin of a line between Rebate and Kickback..Quote:
Originally Posted by 570091D
Look at what I asked before, what next, will the EU find Co-Marketing agreements Anti-competitive next? Many analysts have said for years that Intel's Co-Marketing/Shared-Marketing provides Intel with more of an unfair advantage.
@BEEF
Stop acting like the biggest Jerk in the thread. Please reply without your Nine Year oldish comments and I'll reply to ya'. Please stop trying to get the thread closed down?
Man, what another ding-bat waste of thread space:rolleyes: You're the one who should feel embarrassed for posting such crap:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
You`re arguing with a Bill O`Riley clone.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
This is some huge dedication really. Nearly 20 posts trying to make excuses (funny ones at that :rofl::ROTF:) for illegal buziness tactics. Entertaining people we have here :yepp:
that's harsh man! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by B.E.E.F.