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    I feel like I just stepped out of a marketing/economics lecture and i'm standing with everyone outside the entrace that was too cool to go in or was kicked out...

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    Heh, if Intel is leading the market with like 80% share or greater, Intel still cannot be satisifed with $$$. The only time a business would be satisfied with $$$ is if it earns "too much", and that would never, ever happen. (A kinda riddle of an irony, right?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.E.E.F. View Post

    Please post something else but pages of useless drivel. Thanks.
    NO LOL and you're NOT welcomed No ones posts are as useless and baseless as yours!

    cegras

    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27
    When all is said and done, it is commie style legislated competition and it will increase to help AMD, just as it was when it first showed up in 2000, almost nine years ago.
    At least it didn't land the whole world into recession, amirite?
    Yes, you are right! Some folks can get mad as much as they like, but about 80% of the world's recession was started in the good old America.

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    If the worry over loss of market share is lessened as you say, wouldn't Intel then already being currently pricing their CPU's at just below "breaking point", so that they maximise their profits?

    I would suggest that to then try a further increase would change the dynamics beyond what the rebates can achieve.
    Intel's price are flat to high, maybe they're already hedging their bets? Intel is still using Rebates and Shared Marketing.

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    As far back as 1997

    In conjunction with the new product, AMD will promote a rebate program aimed at North American VARs who purchase the PIBs. The rebate program involves an industry-first joint effort with Microsoft® Corp. For each group of 50 AMD-K6 PIB-based systems sold with officially licensed versions of the Windows®95 operating system, the U.S. or Canada-based VAR may submit the proper combination of AMD and Microsoft rebate coupons for up to $500 cash back.

    "Microsoft is pleased to work with AMD to offer additional rebate dollars to system builders who purchase the AMD-K6 processor with genuine Windows 95," said Doris Medlicott, Manager of Microsoft OEM Sales, North America. "This promotion demonstrates that Microsoft continues to be committed to proactively supporting system builders who license legitimate products."
    Must not have heard me say I wish ALL REBATES were made illegal
    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman
    With the two approaches to "how" to design a processor WE are the lucky ones as we get to choose what is important to us as individuals.
    For that we should thank BOTH (AMD and Intel) companies!


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    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
    Posted by gallag
    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    Must not have heard me say I wish ALL REBATES were made illegal
    i don't think that's a good wish, the rebates offered to end users are usually scams, but rebates offered to oem's are quite helpful to business. the problem comes when component manufacturers attach stipulations to the rebate: "we'll sell you 1000 pentium 4's for $1 each, but you can't buy any amd processors for the rest of the year." <--that is the problem. it's anti-competative, unethical, irresponsible, and illegal. throwing a rebate out there for a short time to generate interest in your product and stir up the market is a great thing and should be encouraged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 570091D View Post
    i don't think that's a good wish, the rebates offered to end users are usually scams, but rebates offered to oem's are quite helpful to business.
    Adopting this position but then attacking Intel's use of rebates doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you don't understand how these rebates are being used.

    the problem comes when component manufacturers attach stipulations to the rebate: "we'll sell you 1000 pentium 4's for $1 each, but you can't buy any amd processors for the rest of the year." <--that is the problem.
    These rebates aren't stating that you can't buy from a rival, but they are structured in such a way that it produces much the same result as though it was stated.

    That is why Donnie's point about all rebates being scrapped is probably a good one, but of course no one should be confused and think that the benefits AMD derives from rebates matches the benefits that Intel has received from their use of rebates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chad Boga View Post
    Adopting this position but then attacking Intel's use of rebates doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you don't understand how these rebates are being used.


    These rebates aren't stating that you can't buy from a rival, but they are structured in such a way that it produces much the same result as though it was stated.

    That is why Donnie's point about all rebates being scrapped is probably a good one, but of course no one should be confused and think that the benefits AMD derives from rebates matches the benefits that Intel has received from their use of rebates.
    it would be impossible for amd to derive the same benefits from rebates as intel, as amd doesn't have the same manufacturing capacity and can't offer rebates in the same volume. i'm simply against anit-competative business practices in general, whether it's presented in the form of a rebate, contract, or a poke in the eye with a stick. if any company is involved in anti-competative or monopolistic business i feel that should be brought to the public's attention, then delt with by regulators. and perhaps that is the source of the problem: a lack of regulation. i understand the concerns of those who would rather our government stay out of business. however, when the actions of a major commodity manufacturer drive competition from the market place, the repricutions for the consumer can be huge. i believe it's our governments role to help protect us from these unfair dealings; maybe it's high-time we all wrote our senators asking for some congressional intervention in the matter.

    i will stick to this idea though:

    throwing a rebate out there for a short time to generate interest in your product and stir up the market is a great thing and should be encouraged.
    i see this as the same as having a sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    NO LOL and you're NOT welcomed No ones posts are as useless and baseless as yours!
    Notice how the loudest guy in the room isn't the smartest? Not even close.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    Intel's price are flat to high, maybe they're already hedging their bets?
    A simple google search reveals, that Intel has moved to a flat pricing model since 2006.

    This is embarrassing Donnie, do some homework before you post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    Must not have heard me say I wish ALL REBATES were made illegal
    There's a difference between offering rebates to OEMs that buy in quantity, and offering cash to OEMs to not buy a competitor's product.

    Intel did the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie27 View Post
    Excuse me, isn't that dumping? They say Intel sold processors under costs, how can you undercut free?
    Was HP forbidden to buy from Intel in that deal?

    You should've excused yourself from this thread the moment you've said Intel shouln't be fined because it would best for the consumer, but i see you went on embarassing yourself even further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 570091D View Post
    i don't think that's a good wish, the rebates offered to end users are usually scams, but rebates offered to oem's are quite helpful to business. the problem comes when component manufacturers attach stipulations to the rebate: "we'll sell you 1000 pentium 4's for $1 each, but you can't buy any amd processors for the rest of the year." <--that is the problem. it's anti-competative, unethical, irresponsible, and illegal. throwing a rebate out there for a short time to generate interest in your product and stir up the market is a great thing and should be encouraged.
    I wish they all (rebates) were made illegal because they're too easy to manipulate. Then that diverts them their original purpose. There are tons of ways to do promotions that are right up front and they provide competition. Instead of being Anti competitive, they force competition. They don't give HP an advantage over Dell or etc.... The problem is there's too thin of a line between Rebate and Kickback..

    Look at what I asked before, what next, will the EU find Co-Marketing agreements Anti-competitive next? Many analysts have said for years that Intel's Co-Marketing/Shared-Marketing provides Intel with more of an unfair advantage.

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    Stop acting like the biggest Jerk in the thread. Please reply without your Nine Year oldish comments and I'll reply to ya'. Please stop trying to get the thread closed down?
    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman
    With the two approaches to "how" to design a processor WE are the lucky ones as we get to choose what is important to us as individuals.
    For that we should thank BOTH (AMD and Intel) companies!


    Posted by duploxxx
    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
    Posted by gallag
    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleZero View Post
    Was HP forbidden to buy from Intel in that deal?

    You should've excused yourself from this thread the moment you've said Intel shouln't be fined because it would best for the consumer, but i see you went on embarassing yourself even further.
    Man, what another ding-bat waste of thread space You're the one who should feel embarrassed for posting such crap
    Quote Originally Posted by Movieman
    With the two approaches to "how" to design a processor WE are the lucky ones as we get to choose what is important to us as individuals.
    For that we should thank BOTH (AMD and Intel) companies!


    Posted by duploxxx
    I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
    Posted by gallag
    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
    qft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleZero View Post
    You should've excused yourself from this thread the moment you've said Intel shouln't be fined because it would best for the consumer, but i see you went on embarassing yourself even further.
    You`re arguing with a Bill O`Riley clone.
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    This is some huge dedication really. Nearly 20 posts trying to make excuses (funny ones at that ) for illegal buziness tactics. Entertaining people we have here
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    Quote Originally Posted by B.E.E.F. View Post
    You`re arguing with a Bill O`Riley clone.
    that's harsh man!
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