Nvidia Geforce 9800GTX Specifications released!

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Originally Posted by Shadowmage

That's pointless, since then NVIDIA will receive lots of bad press for neglecting a segment of the market. Increasing the number of stream processors, etc is much better, since it improves performance across all segments.

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yes but edram is more efficient than increasing the number of stream processors in term of aa performance. also they may have "too many" stream processors to that other things like the memory, ROP's or TMU's can't keep up so the extra's are wasted. or they could use it to store something that is being used heavily in the game (certain effects of textures eg. the texture of the ground on in an RTS game) or they could use it to deliver free AF up to 8x or maybe 16x as form what i know it uses less memory than AA. i think EDRAM will be the next big step in architecture. look at cpu's think of how slow they would be without cache.

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

yes but edram is more efficient than increasing the number of stream processors in term of aa performance. also they may have "too many" stream processors to that other things like the memory, ROP's or TMU's can't keep up so the extra's are wasted.

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I thought the unified arch fixed that. I'm not much of a microarchitecture specialist, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Ryan

1. I realy don't think the card's name will be 9800GTX .
2. I am holding hard out til november to buy 2xG92 + Quadcore(maybe a Wolfdale)
3. I wil mout the cards on my 680i SLi (2x16X bandwith it's ok. PCIe2.0 hase a bit more bandwith and 35W of power... that's all)
4. If sombody cold re send the card's from SUA to Europ it wil be a barghen...
5. At 1Tflop Nvidia Kik's big DAAMIT ass.

Here comes the annual $300 GPU fee...

I really don't have any complaints about the 8800 tho. There's no game I play that makes me think, "Damn, if I could just get it to run a little bit faster." Of course this may all change in the holiday season w/ UT3, Crysis, etc.

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Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650

yes but edram is more efficient than increasing the number of stream processors in term of aa performance. also they may have "too many" stream processors to that other things like the memory, ROP's or TMU's can't keep up so the extra's are wasted. or they could use it to store something that is being used heavily in the game (certain effects of textures eg. the texture of the ground on in an RTS game) or they could use it to deliver free AF up to 8x or maybe 16x as form what i know it uses less memory than AA. i think EDRAM will be the next big step in architecture. look at cpu's think of how slow they would be without cache.

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eDram is nothing more than ram. You can't get "free" aniso from fast ram, as it's a filtering operation. Some could argue that you could get "free" AA, but with today's AA ops as complex as they are that's overly simplistic. Also take into account that while a common target for eDram used to be the frame buffer, today's popular resolutions have grown too high to make it cost effective. Take for example 1680x1050x32bpp w/ NO AA, standard front and back buffer.... the front buffer alone is be 56,448,000 uncompressed. (56MB)

eDram is nothing but a waste of transistors for any decent size resolution, and therefore this looks entirely fake. The only possibility is that this could be closer to realistic now that transistor counts in the last gen have already gotten ridiculous, but I still don't think anyone would waste space on eDram for PC resolutions.

P.S. Both ATI and Nvidia designs have had L1 and L2 cache for quite some time now.

Wow... and how ATi hopes to top this with a multi-core version of the R600... that beats me quite frankly.
I'm an ATi fan, but this is just too sheer to ignore. When is this coming out?

With memory bandwidth reaching 150gb/s with the 512bit memory and GDDR4 Ram, I don't think eDRAM is any a necessity >_>.

Still, it's better then not having it.

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Originally Posted by ColonelCain

Wow... and how ATi hopes to top this with a multi-core version of the R600... that beats me quite frankly.
I'm an ATi fan, but this is just too sheer to ignore. When is this coming out?

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by the end of this year

Nice specs (again). It seems that the new generations nowadays always give a two fold performance increase. I think that they can do better (less energy consuming chip) by taking a longer time for designing, but it seems that they rather bring out a new series every 9-12 months?

Maybe nvidia should let us fold on our 9800GTXs.

It's only 4-5 months away from now... I think I can wait a little longer and grab me one of these..
I've lost all faith in ATi with their driver support and with this around the corner a 8800 seems a little waste of money...

Do you even realize how fast cpu you need? :p:

im gonna buy a ati 9800 now and sell it in a couple of months for loads on ebay then laugh when the idiot buyer realises what he's done
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although im sure it will happen with a few people

I never have the money to buy one, but i still can say i had an 9800, W00t!!
Who has E-PENIS now! :p:

9800pro days where really good.

*sarcasm* To me it looks like Intel and NVIDIA are joining forces to take down DAAMIT by having a very aggressive release schedule towards the smaller company which simply hasn't got enough resources to follow the same pace. By the time DAAMIT releases something new the big bad guys both NVIDIA and Intel already has something to counter attack, they are like always one step ahead. :shakes:

Like Vegas Hold em' I'm all in for the 9800GTX :D

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Do you even realize how fast cpu you need? :p:

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Maybe Penryn and Barcelona can keep up with it... :shrug:

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Originally Posted by NightCrawler™

Maybe Penryn and Barcelona can keep up with it... :shrug:

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Not in raw power... the fastest CPU reaches 30 Mflops in the better situations :up: At my know, the GPU are way too :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing powerful compared to moder CPUs:up:

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD

*sarcasm* To me it looks like Intel and NVIDIA are joining forces to take down DAAMIT by having a very aggressive release schedule towards the smaller company which simply hasn't got enough resources to follow the same pace. By the time DAAMIT releases something new the big bad guys both NVIDIA and Intel already has something to counter attack, they are like always one step ahead. :shakes:

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the only problem with that is that if amd/ati goes down intel and nvidia wont have any competition and due to that not one reason to ever develop a new product again....

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Originally Posted by kiwi

Do you even realize how fast cpu you need? :p:

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A decent X2, or Conroe.:)

Whats Happend? I dont play any game with my 8800GTS yet!!

I can say only Damn to This World!!

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Originally Posted by dejavuxx

That doesnt even make sense especially when the 8800gts is 320bit it'll more be a 384bit like the 8800gtx. Com on guys this is the 9xxx sewries oh well it about may 08 before i buy my pc.... yorkfield will be out then with my NF780I 4gb of ram good to go for crysis eventually
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Generally makers go for RAM/2. Sometimes they do full on ram on high end parts, but I've only seen that in the x1950 series.

768ram = 384bit
640ram = 320bit

the gts version of this part will most likely be 512 = 256bit


Thats why it makes sense.

DAAMIT's ass is toast if those specs are true

Time to save money till this beast shows up.