Post your recent Q6600 purchases here (The Lookout for g0)

Synergy, did you know that if you return the B3 unopened to them, you get a full refund. Your only loss is shipping back to them but after doing this, reorder from them and you might get a G0.

this is just a suggestion... but if all the purchases were consolidated in the first post, it would be a lot easier to know where to buy from. For example:

a table like this containing the data would be helpful:

Name of E-tailer. date of purchase. stepping. pack date.

something like thta, then we can also see what percentage of people recieved a g0 from a given etailer

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Originally Posted by The Nemesis

Have you received your email " your order has been shipped"? It contains an invoice that shows the serial as S/N: BX80562Q6600SLACR.

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Nope, not yet, I don't know what's taking so long.

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Originally Posted by nicepun

Nope, not yet, I don't know what's taking so long.

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They update faster on the NCIX website.

Just sign in and click order tracking. :)

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Originally Posted by jeffyjaixx

They update faster on the NCIX website.

Just sign in and click order tracking. :)

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Not always, mine is shipped even before the order tracking get updated. I received the email half a day later with the info. Also, the website won't show the stepping, only the email will.

double post :(

Fresh off the FedEx truck from NCIX:

L723A765 G0 step Q6600!

package date 7/12/07

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Originally Posted by bcracer220

this is just a suggestion... but if all the purchases were consolidated in the first post, it would be a lot easier to know where to buy from. For example:

a table like this containing the data would be helpful:

Name of E-tailer. date of purchase. stepping. pack date.

something like thta, then we can also see what percentage of people recieved a g0 from a given etailer

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Do it then.

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Originally Posted by synergy

Yes, I understand that just as your company may not
implement an ordering process that easily allows
selection by certain product criteria, other companies
who may be your indirect suppliers possibly don't either.

One could use that justification all the way up the
chain of distribution / channel until you get to INTEL
who DOES really make it quite easy to distinguish
and 100% certainly keeps the information in THEIR
inventory control / fulfillment databases. They send out
PCNs / Product Change Notifications and must keep
supplying very specific revisions to customers that have
dependence on one revision or another until the customer
agrees to change, or the purchase contract expires, or
the product is END-OF-LIFE.

However it's no unusual thing to keep track of multiple
attributes of a single model of product. In the IC
distribution business for ICs not sold directly to
consumers one can very typically select / purchase
by:
Part model
Individual Package Type
Temperature range
Lot code
Packaging (Tape & Reel, tray, tube, etc. etc.)
and about ten other factors.

Intel did the right thing and made it possible for any/all
subsidiary customers to get information about the
particular product(s) revisions / lot numbers / date
codes / serial numbers / PROD CODE / MM Number
etc. And it's just a choice of the recipients (e.g. resellers/
distributors/customers) if they want to IGNORE the
information they're presented with or not.




Well that's not entirely true. I'm sure pretty much
every company out there keeps track of
a) THEIR OWN SKU/PLU for an item
b) Their SUPPLIERS SKU/PLU for an item
c) The OEM's part number for the item
d) The bar code(s)/UPC code(s) they choose to use.
e) Any applicable RFID codes for the products
f) Serial numbers for warranty/product recall/RMA/
auditing purposes.
g) Product receipt date for taxation / warranty / QA /
statistical purposes.
h) Product expiration / return-by dates.
i) Price paid for the item from the supplier
j) Own advertised price for item
etc. etc. so clearly it's not exactly unusual to
track a wide variety of information for any given product,
and for some of that information to be inherited from the
vendor/manufacturer, and for other aspects of the
information to be originated / determined / tracked
soley by the particular vendor.

There's no reason why at any point a vendor can't
create another SKU/PLU for a given version of a product
if they want; in fact that often seems to happen given
the way people set up rebates or bundles or whatever.



Well INTEL doesn't change its steppings that often
either; maybe once every 6 months is probably average.

Also the MM number, PROD CODE, FPO/BATCH#
is JUST as easily scanned -- look here:
http://www.clubit.com/products/500x500/A1938452_4.jpg

The BAR CODES for all those things are RIGHT on the
label, right next to the human readable printouts of
the very same information. Everything one could want to
know except maybe the individual serial number and
I wouldn't be surprised if that was scannable too.

So if you're scanning or doing data entry for ANYTHING
for the products, the other information is
RIGHT THERE TOO. It doesn't get much easier than that.

Certainly for warranty/RMA purposes I'm sure you're
scanning/doing data entry of the SERIAL # etc., so
there's no real reason to wait until something ships
to enter that information into the inventory control
system when it could be (and may already be) done
in advance.



Well usually the IC manufacturers allow any of their
direct clients to specify what requirements their
products have, though if they don't indicate a need for
a certain fixed version, yes, they'll get any version.



Well, that's certainly your and any vendor's right to
do business that way. All I'm saying is it's silly in this
day and age of B2B, XML, RFID, Bar codes, electronic
inventory databases, Just In Time ordering, etc. etc.
for simple and relevant product revision/model information
not to be ubiquitously tracked and known when the OEM
clearly considers the distinctions important and works
to publish that information for the USE of THEIR channel /
distributors customers who evidentally all just ignore it.



Yes, that's the annoying and unnecessary part. All it
takes is for the channel to start caring about these
kinds of inventory / quality control details and voila,
it'd all be available in the ordering / inventory system.

Ah well, I guess part roulette can be a fun game for some.
Spin the wheel, take your chances.



Of course. I wouldn't expect for a minute for someone to
have to be a computer whiz to fulfill an order. I'd expect
it to all be in the sales / inventory / order management
system just like the price, the manufacturer, the MHz,
the model number, the stock availability, etc. so I could
just call up and say "I'd like a BX80562Q6600SLACR,
please", and that'd be typed into the order system and
everything else would be 100% automatic.

Your sales/warehouse people don't need to care about
UPCs or the difference between a Q6600 and a Q6700
either, but when I order one they should be able to
fulfill the order or tell me there's no stock or whatever.



Well I don't personally know if they keep the UPC
or EAN or MODEL codes different for the different ones,
but from the bar codes and labels I see with my own
eyes EVERY other text / bar code on the package DOES
tell the difference; I don't know what codes are "orderable"
and which are not.


Well there are lots of things that are considered important and are tracked.
Some things may be ignored by some vendors in the channel, but for the most
part if they don't consider something important it's by CHOICE, not for lack of
having the bar coded and e-commerce/B2B/etc. information which Intel clearly can
and does provide.

The information is there for any vendor at any point in the chain to track / use,
if they desired to do so.

Certainly by the time you ship something your inventory / invoice / transaction database
gets updated with purchaser, serial number, which unit(s) from inventory have been
sold and need restocking, etc. If it's ULTIMATELY going to get recorded, there's
seemingly not much reason to do it as the last step vs. the first.




Well, that's my point, it's something that's RELEVANT to distinguish in the
customer's and INTEL's own eyes; so that's why it's nice to have the conversation
with one's suppliers to ask about getting such information in a more efficient,
streamlined, and useful way. If INTEL's distributors asked them for RFID
tags or 2D bar codes or XML ordering systems or whatever I'm sure INTEL would
work it out with them and start to provide information that was desirable and useful
to its customers. And, similarly if you had an inefficiency of transactions
with your vendors, you'd ask them to work with you to improve the scheme.
And as customers, incidents and opportunities like this one give NCIX and other Retailers / eTailers
valuable feedback from their most enthusiastic and acute customers as to what
would constitute better service and support.




Well, maybe, but that's nothing that's fixed in stone, just because that's the process that's
customary doesn't mean that it's the only possible option. I wouldn't be too surprised
if INGRAM, MERISEL, ARROW, AVNET, or whoever are larger distributors for INTEL didn't keep
track of all the barcoded bits and more and have options for their customers to access/request/use
that information in making an order.

Anyway that's also the distinction between being an e-Tailer and a brick & mortar vendor;
you're SUPPOSED to have some ability to get all the kinds of basic 'stupid' "look and feel"
questions from customers. "Is it shiny? Is it heavy? What's the model number?
What's the price? What's the warranty? Does the box say it supports VISTA?"
etc. etc. The customer CAN'T look at the products and get an impression from the
packaging / labeling / etc. before purchase, so to compete with Brick and Mortar retailers
it's helpful to be able to answer those kinds of questions about version / appearance /
compatibility / whatever.

Sure you don't HAVE to, but from all the thousands of people trying to do preorders /
specific orders / etc. for certain STEPPING / LOT / BATCH products here, it's
certainly a customer service capability that's in real ongoing demand.



And that's an unfortunate thing, in my opinion, for whatever it's worth.
Hopefully enough people as customers and in the channel will realize this,
communicate, and work to improve quality control and transparency of product
specifications.



Yes, thank you for your detailed response.
Hopefully vendors like your organization and many others will always
strive to pursue "continual improvement" and look for such opportunities
to innovate, improve, add capability, responsiveness, efficiency, etc.

Maybe one day it'll be easier that it currently seems to be to know what one's actually
getting when one orders something.

Thanks again and best regards; I'm sure that NCIX already does have lots
of happy customers that have gotten G0 CPUs; it's just kind of ironic / unfortunate
that it's more of a matter of luck and accident than a predictable process.

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That was a very long post, Synergy, so I'll simply address the relevant parts.

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I wouldn't be too surprised
if INGRAM, MERISEL, ARROW, AVNET, or whoever are larger distributors for INTEL didn't keep track of all the barcoded bits and more and have options for their customers to access/request/use
that information in making an order.

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They simply don't. Who do you think we order from? We're not some little Mom 'n Pop shop. If we were, we wouldn't have any Q6600s at all right now.

You're welcome to write in and complain to Ingram and Avnet, but I can guarantee they will NOT change this business practice. Why? It's bad business. If they separated steppings into two piles, which one do you think everyone would order? What are they going to do with the 500 perfectly good processors they have sitting there that aren't the stepping code everyone wants?

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Yes, thank you for your detailed response.
Hopefully vendors like your organization and many others will always
strive to pursue "continual improvement" and look for such opportunities
to innovate, improve, add capability, responsiveness, efficiency, etc.

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Trust me, I'm an enthusiast like yourself. I'm the kind of person who has an X3220 ES at home, but I'm tempted to pick up a Q6600 B0 just to see how it overclocks. I remember being frustrated by this when I was still on the outside. Here's something you have to understand:

The fewer times a product is touched, the better the price is going to be. If you want computer companies to survive on 5-10% margins, then products need to be touched as few times as possible before they go out the door. Here's how it works right now:

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution sends processors by the box to retailers (1 touch)
Individual CPUs have our labels slapped on them, and are stacked (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 4

OK, so let's try your ideal scenario

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution unpacks boxes (1 touch)
Distribution sorts boxes into steppings (1 touch)
Distribution packs it back up (1 touch)
Distribution sends it to us (1 touch)
Indivitual CPUs have our labels slapped on them (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 7

Like it or not, this new system has decreased the profitability of the distributor and also makes the CPU cost 175% as much in handling cost.


Now let's talk about warehouse storage space. If you have one place for all Q6600s, that means it's easy to find. Remember, to you this is no big deal because it's just one product. We stock thousands of products.

Also, it's far more efficient to keep one product in one place on the shelf. You split it up and when your stock runs down to 40% of each item, that means you're using double the storage space you actually needed to store that product. Storage space costs money.

And you have to remember, this storage space needs to be divided up AT EVERY LEVEL. That means that potentially at any given time, Intel's warehouse, distribution warehouses, our warehouse, and our retail locations are all using twice as much storage space as necessary for ONE SKU.

Hopefully this gives you some insight into why little corner store shops will do this, and why bigger retailers CANNOT do it. It's too expensive. Any high volume distributor or retailer that tried to do this would spend WAY too much money on it. There are countless other things I'm not factoring in like educating staff on how to tell the difference, which takes time, and also the extra time it takes to actually read something off a box versus how much time it takes to scan it, etc etc etc.

well mine showed up as well a b3, I'm rather disappointed as I went off the earlier comment that all were go's, Guess I should've stuck to my original thought to wait it out a month or so

Wrong place...sorry

any one get:

Stepping: BX80562Q6600SLACR
Batch: L720B023
Package date 7/12/07

oc results ?

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That was a very long post, Synergy, so I'll simply address the relevant parts.



They simply don't. Who do you think we order from? We're not some little Mom 'n Pop shop. If we were, we wouldn't have any Q6600s at all right now.

You're welcome to write in and complain to Ingram and Avnet, but I can guarantee they will NOT change this business practice. Why? It's bad business. If they separated steppings into two piles, which one do you think everyone would order? What are they going to do with the 500 perfectly good processors they have sitting there that aren't the stepping code everyone wants?



Trust me, I'm an enthusiast like yourself. I'm the kind of person who has an X3220 ES at home, but I'm tempted to pick up a Q6600 B0 just to see how it overclocks. I remember being frustrated by this when I was still on the outside. Here's something you have to understand:

The fewer times a product is touched, the better the price is going to be. If you want computer companies to survive on 5-10% margins, then products need to be touched as few times as possible before they go out the door. Here's how it works right now:

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution sends processors by the box to retailers (1 touch)
Individual CPUs have our labels slapped on them, and are stacked (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 4

OK, so let's try your ideal scenario

Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution unpacks boxes (1 touch)
Distribution sorts boxes into steppings (1 touch)
Distribution packs it back up (1 touch)
Distribution sends it to us (1 touch)
Indivitual CPUs have our labels slapped on them (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 7

Like it or not, this new system has decreased the profitability of the distributor and also makes the CPU cost 175% as much in handling cost.


Now let's talk about warehouse storage space. If you have one place for all Q6600s, that means it's easy to find. Remember, to you this is no big deal because it's just one product. We stock thousands of products.

Also, it's far more efficient to keep one product in one place on the shelf. You split it up and when your stock runs down to 40% of each item, that means you're using double the storage space you actually needed to store that product. Storage space costs money.

And you have to remember, this storage space needs to be divided up AT EVERY LEVEL. That means that potentially at any given time, Intel's warehouse, distribution warehouses, our warehouse, and our retail locations are all using twice as much storage space as necessary for ONE SKU.

Hopefully this gives you some insight into why little corner store shops will do this, and why bigger retailers CANNOT do it. It's too expensive. Any high volume distributor or retailer that tried to do this would spend WAY too much money on it. There are countless other things I'm not factoring in like educating staff on how to tell the difference, which takes time, and also the extra time it takes to actually read something off a box versus how much time it takes to scan it, etc etc etc.

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not to mention multiple fumbles and field goals by UPS:rofl:

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Originally Posted by jeffyjaixx

They update faster on the NCIX website.

Just sign in and click order tracking. :)

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I've been doing that as well and nothing. I even called them and they didn't sound sure as when it would ship today or tomorrow yet I paid for the fastest delivery so that's one negative :down: :down: :shakes: :shakes: for them right now. If I get a G0 I'll be Happy, otherwise I'll never shop there ever again (which I don't think they really care).

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not to mention multiple fumbles and field goals by UPS:rofl:

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the truth man... the absolute truth... i worked at the kansas hub in lenexa and can vouch for all sorts of crap that goes on inside shipping companies' walls

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Originally Posted by Linus@ncix

Rather than assume that we've short-changed you intentionally, it may have been a good idea to wait 'til morning and give us a call and see if we can figure out what went wrong.

Posting all over the internet about how you've been bait&switched (which you haven't by the way...) is not an appropriate way to tackle this problem.

We do not sort items by serial number. Only by part number. It's completely impossible for our system to have intentionally selected a B3 for you.

I don't know who you talked to who assured you that all of our stock was G0, but if you called a retail store (and there are no females answering the phones at our shipping warehouse), then it's VERY possible that they have all G0 at that particular retail location.

There are people on this forum suggesting that sniveling and complaining about things is the best way to get a problem solved.

Here's a valuable tip: treat people like you would want to be treated. Calling in whining loudly complaining about something is NOT going to get you better service. There is a person on the other end of the phone with the power to help you and if you want them to help you, it's a good idea to be nice about it.

I've flagged this post for someone to have a look at. I'm sure we will find a way to get this problem resolved so that you're a happy customer. Just try to be patient and we'll do what we can for you. Whomever you talked to shouldn't have assured you of that, and even if she did, she may have been right, and she may have assumed that if you're calling a retail location that you're planning to come to the retail location.

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First I want to thank you for the reply Linus, also I would like to clear up a couple of issues, yes I have been in contact with NCIX and no I did not whine, yell or complain to them. I was very polite with them as they were with me.

Also I have not posted all over the Internet blasting NCIX, I posted here as this is the only forum I am a member of and I posted on the NCIX support forum.

The point I wanted to make and the one that continued to be not addressed was that I followed what I thought was the proper way to go about this purchase and that being to call NCIX and talk to a live person before making my order to see if NCIX did have stock of the new refreshed cpu's and if so would they be the new stepping. And as I said before if the NCIX Internet sales employee simply said "I'm sorry but we have no control over what is shipped" then I would have thanked her and been on my way. Also this was web sales I talked to and not a store, she was very nice and made an effort to answer my question and when she came back to the phone she even explained the SN# difference of the two steppings so who ever she talked to understood what I was looking for.

Just go on the NCIX forum and read the response I received over this by an NCIX employee.

To wrap this up the problem was never about how NCIX ships its products, it was about misinformation at the front counter.

NCIX has already resolved this issue with me and I want to thank you for bringing this to their attention, everyone at NCIX has been very nice with me.:)

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Originally Posted by palese

First I want to thank you for the reply Linus, also I would like to clear up a couple of issues, yes I have been in contact with NCIX and no I did not whine, yell or complain to them. I was very polite with them as they were with me.

Also I have not posted all over the Internet blasting NCIX, I posted here as this is the only forum I am a member of and I posted on the NCIX support forum.

The point I wanted to make and the one that continued to be not addressed was that I followed what I thought was the proper way to go about this purchase and that being to call NCIX and talk to a live person before making my order to see if NCIX did have stock of the new refreshed cpu's and if so would they be the new stepping. And as I said before if the NCIX Internet sales employee simply said "I'm sorry but we have no control over what is shipped" then I would have thanked her and been on my way. Also this was web sales I talked to and not a store, she was very nice and made an effort to answer my question and when she came back to the phone she even explained the SN# difference of the two steppings so who ever she talked to understood what I was looking for.

Just go on the NCIX forum and read the response I received over this by an NCIX employee.

To wrap this up the problem was never about how NCIX ships its products, it was about misinformation at the front counter.

NCIX has already resolved this issue with me and I want to thank you for bringing this to their attention, everyone at NCIX has been very nice with me.:)

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Honestly I agree with the principle of your problem with us. If I called in somewhere and I said "make sure you're sending me the MCW30 with the hard mount kit" and they said "sure, no problem Boss" and I got one with only a spring mount I'd be choked.

It turns out the person you talked to happened to not know the right answer to give you and that's bad, but we're always doing our best to help our customers, and I knew we'd find a way to make this work. Thanks for the positive testimonial.

In response to an above post. I'm very sorry about the slow shipping right now. We're absolutely swamped. Our warehouse workers did overtime until 10pm last night.... We're doing our very best, but this is busier than the Christmas rush for us right now.

Denden,

Firstly I'll post any future tests in a more appropriate thread.

Secondly just about to re-install windows etc. so won't be benching for a bit.

Have just done another quick ten minute prime.

400x9 vcore set to 1.5v memory 1000mhz 4-4-4-12 1T

Note: My motherboard seems to have some pretty severe vdroop Idle 1.45-1.46v (-0.05) at Load it's dropping down to 1.41-1.43v (-0.9)

Temps in coretemp maxing out at 48c. They do seem to be pretty even across the cores, more so than my qx6700

10 minute prime no problems.

This chip is already out performing my QX6700. My memory is a little bit vague regarding vdroop etc, but my QX needed about 1.46v to hit 3.52 with any real stability prime wise. Temps would be around 58-68c.

One last note, to be honest I never extensively prime tested my QX6700. Just short runs really. That said I used that chip for a whole lot of 3d rendering, pushing all cores to their limits and it was rock solid.

So conclusion for this Q6600 Go so far is a big thumbs up.

RLM

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Originally Posted by nicepun

I've been doing that as well and nothing. I even called them and they didn't sound sure as when it would ship today or tomorrow yet I paid for the fastest delivery so that's one negative :down: :down: :shakes: :shakes: for them right now. If I get a G0 I'll be Happy, otherwise I'll never shop there ever again (which I don't think they really care).

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Well, I ordered one for my brother from NCIX 2 days ago.

It shipped last night but I never got an order confirmation or shipping email.

I just used the CHAT option on their site and had them resend me that information to a different email address.

So far, NCIX's service has been great. Fast service and great customer support.

Oh, And he is getting a G0! SLACR :D

Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...

All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)

i called ncix yesterday, they told me they couldnt guarantee G0, i ordered it any way via the net about 5pm last night, it shipped today with scheduled arrival in NJ usa, according to fedex, being tomorrow. invoice shows SLACR.

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Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...

All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)

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Ah, 14-year-old logic.

You do know that Tankguys is like a 3-man operation, right? They are TINY and can afford to open all boxes they get to look for G0 steppings. NCIX is a reseller supplied from Ingram Micro, etc. that deals in VOLUME. They can't, nor should be expected, to open all the processor boxes they get to hunt for a particular stepping.

I can just see all the jerks that didn't get the WEEK code they wanted in a month bi#$hing about it and wanting people to sort the chips by week now.


Grow the F up.

Someone claimed to get a G0 from newegg. Note that there is no guarantee from egg. I guess eventually still need to get one with guarantee like Tankguys or Clubit (by phone).

I never guaranteed anything officially or unofficially through PM. I said that most of what we had in stock was G0, and that if you ordered you *should* get a G0. I specificially said I couldn't guarantee it because the situation can change so quickly.

At the time I sent that PM most if not all of our stock was G0.

Since then we've received not one, but two additional shipments. No one has inquired directly to me since we've received those and I haven't checked because I'm not located at our shipping warehouse. If someone asked me now what we have I would say "I don't know".

All I'm doing is giving you the best information I have at the time it's requested of me.

Regards,

Linus

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Originally Posted by hecktic

Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...

All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)

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Originally Posted by orion23

Well, I ordered one for my brother from NCIX 2 days ago.

It shipped last night but I never got an order confirmation or shipping email.

I just used the CHAT option on their site and had them resend me that information to a different email address.

So far, NCIX's service has been great. Fast service and great customer support.

Oh, And he is getting a G0! SLACR :D

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Well I'm very impatient so I pay for the fatest shipping available. I just canxed my order and since there was no guarantee of getting a G0 I'm just going to wait this one out until Tankguys get them in stock. Oh Well.