Synergy, did you know that if you return the B3 unopened to them, you get a full refund. Your only loss is shipping back to them but after doing this, reorder from them and you might get a G0.
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Synergy, did you know that if you return the B3 unopened to them, you get a full refund. Your only loss is shipping back to them but after doing this, reorder from them and you might get a G0.
this is just a suggestion... but if all the purchases were consolidated in the first post, it would be a lot easier to know where to buy from. For example:
a table like this containing the data would be helpful:
Name of E-tailer. date of purchase. stepping. pack date.
something like thta, then we can also see what percentage of people recieved a g0 from a given etailer
double post :(
Fresh off the FedEx truck from NCIX:
L723A765 G0 step Q6600!
package date 7/12/07
That was a very long post, Synergy, so I'll simply address the relevant parts.
They simply don't. Who do you think we order from? We're not some little Mom 'n Pop shop. If we were, we wouldn't have any Q6600s at all right now.Quote:
I wouldn't be too surprised
if INGRAM, MERISEL, ARROW, AVNET, or whoever are larger distributors for INTEL didn't keep track of all the barcoded bits and more and have options for their customers to access/request/use
that information in making an order.
You're welcome to write in and complain to Ingram and Avnet, but I can guarantee they will NOT change this business practice. Why? It's bad business. If they separated steppings into two piles, which one do you think everyone would order? What are they going to do with the 500 perfectly good processors they have sitting there that aren't the stepping code everyone wants?
Trust me, I'm an enthusiast like yourself. I'm the kind of person who has an X3220 ES at home, but I'm tempted to pick up a Q6600 B0 just to see how it overclocks. I remember being frustrated by this when I was still on the outside. Here's something you have to understand:Quote:
Yes, thank you for your detailed response.
Hopefully vendors like your organization and many others will always
strive to pursue "continual improvement" and look for such opportunities
to innovate, improve, add capability, responsiveness, efficiency, etc.
The fewer times a product is touched, the better the price is going to be. If you want computer companies to survive on 5-10% margins, then products need to be touched as few times as possible before they go out the door. Here's how it works right now:
Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution sends processors by the box to retailers (1 touch)
Individual CPUs have our labels slapped on them, and are stacked (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 4
OK, so let's try your ideal scenario
Intel boxes and sends processors to distribution (1 touch)
Distribution unpacks boxes (1 touch)
Distribution sorts boxes into steppings (1 touch)
Distribution packs it back up (1 touch)
Distribution sends it to us (1 touch)
Indivitual CPUs have our labels slapped on them (1 touch)
CPU is put in shipping box and sent out the door (1 touch)
TOTAL TOUCHES: 7
Like it or not, this new system has decreased the profitability of the distributor and also makes the CPU cost 175% as much in handling cost.
Now let's talk about warehouse storage space. If you have one place for all Q6600s, that means it's easy to find. Remember, to you this is no big deal because it's just one product. We stock thousands of products.
Also, it's far more efficient to keep one product in one place on the shelf. You split it up and when your stock runs down to 40% of each item, that means you're using double the storage space you actually needed to store that product. Storage space costs money.
And you have to remember, this storage space needs to be divided up AT EVERY LEVEL. That means that potentially at any given time, Intel's warehouse, distribution warehouses, our warehouse, and our retail locations are all using twice as much storage space as necessary for ONE SKU.
Hopefully this gives you some insight into why little corner store shops will do this, and why bigger retailers CANNOT do it. It's too expensive. Any high volume distributor or retailer that tried to do this would spend WAY too much money on it. There are countless other things I'm not factoring in like educating staff on how to tell the difference, which takes time, and also the extra time it takes to actually read something off a box versus how much time it takes to scan it, etc etc etc.
well mine showed up as well a b3, I'm rather disappointed as I went off the earlier comment that all were go's, Guess I should've stuck to my original thought to wait it out a month or so
Wrong place...sorry
any one get:
Stepping: BX80562Q6600SLACR
Batch: L720B023
Package date 7/12/07
oc results ?
I've been doing that as well and nothing. I even called them and they didn't sound sure as when it would ship today or tomorrow yet I paid for the fastest delivery so that's one negative :down: :down: :shakes: :shakes: for them right now. If I get a G0 I'll be Happy, otherwise I'll never shop there ever again (which I don't think they really care).
First I want to thank you for the reply Linus, also I would like to clear up a couple of issues, yes I have been in contact with NCIX and no I did not whine, yell or complain to them. I was very polite with them as they were with me.
Also I have not posted all over the Internet blasting NCIX, I posted here as this is the only forum I am a member of and I posted on the NCIX support forum.
The point I wanted to make and the one that continued to be not addressed was that I followed what I thought was the proper way to go about this purchase and that being to call NCIX and talk to a live person before making my order to see if NCIX did have stock of the new refreshed cpu's and if so would they be the new stepping. And as I said before if the NCIX Internet sales employee simply said "I'm sorry but we have no control over what is shipped" then I would have thanked her and been on my way. Also this was web sales I talked to and not a store, she was very nice and made an effort to answer my question and when she came back to the phone she even explained the SN# difference of the two steppings so who ever she talked to understood what I was looking for.
Just go on the NCIX forum and read the response I received over this by an NCIX employee.
To wrap this up the problem was never about how NCIX ships its products, it was about misinformation at the front counter.
NCIX has already resolved this issue with me and I want to thank you for bringing this to their attention, everyone at NCIX has been very nice with me.:)
Honestly I agree with the principle of your problem with us. If I called in somewhere and I said "make sure you're sending me the MCW30 with the hard mount kit" and they said "sure, no problem Boss" and I got one with only a spring mount I'd be choked.
It turns out the person you talked to happened to not know the right answer to give you and that's bad, but we're always doing our best to help our customers, and I knew we'd find a way to make this work. Thanks for the positive testimonial.
In response to an above post. I'm very sorry about the slow shipping right now. We're absolutely swamped. Our warehouse workers did overtime until 10pm last night.... We're doing our very best, but this is busier than the Christmas rush for us right now.
Denden,
Firstly I'll post any future tests in a more appropriate thread.
Secondly just about to re-install windows etc. so won't be benching for a bit.
Have just done another quick ten minute prime.
400x9 vcore set to 1.5v memory 1000mhz 4-4-4-12 1T
Note: My motherboard seems to have some pretty severe vdroop Idle 1.45-1.46v (-0.05) at Load it's dropping down to 1.41-1.43v (-0.9)
Temps in coretemp maxing out at 48c. They do seem to be pretty even across the cores, more so than my qx6700
10 minute prime no problems.
This chip is already out performing my QX6700. My memory is a little bit vague regarding vdroop etc, but my QX needed about 1.46v to hit 3.52 with any real stability prime wise. Temps would be around 58-68c.
One last note, to be honest I never extensively prime tested my QX6700. Just short runs really. That said I used that chip for a whole lot of 3d rendering, pushing all cores to their limits and it was rock solid.
So conclusion for this Q6600 Go so far is a big thumbs up.
RLM
Well, I ordered one for my brother from NCIX 2 days ago.
It shipped last night but I never got an order confirmation or shipping email.
I just used the CHAT option on their site and had them resend me that information to a different email address.
So far, NCIX's service has been great. Fast service and great customer support.
Oh, And he is getting a G0! SLACR :D
Well considering how Tankguys is making the effort to gaurantee G0 while NCIX here is or was making it an unofficial gaurantee that you will get G0, I would say it is not right. Making even the unofficial claim that all stock are G0 or you should get a G0 should never be said if it is not true...
All of you should just order from tankguys now and screw ncix (no offense to Linus here.. he is just doing his job and volunteering to post here in the XS forums.)
i called ncix yesterday, they told me they couldnt guarantee G0, i ordered it any way via the net about 5pm last night, it shipped today with scheduled arrival in NJ usa, according to fedex, being tomorrow. invoice shows SLACR.
Ah, 14-year-old logic.
You do know that Tankguys is like a 3-man operation, right? They are TINY and can afford to open all boxes they get to look for G0 steppings. NCIX is a reseller supplied from Ingram Micro, etc. that deals in VOLUME. They can't, nor should be expected, to open all the processor boxes they get to hunt for a particular stepping.
I can just see all the jerks that didn't get the WEEK code they wanted in a month bi#$hing about it and wanting people to sort the chips by week now.
Grow the F up.
Someone claimed to get a G0 from newegg. Note that there is no guarantee from egg. I guess eventually still need to get one with guarantee like Tankguys or Clubit (by phone).
I never guaranteed anything officially or unofficially through PM. I said that most of what we had in stock was G0, and that if you ordered you *should* get a G0. I specificially said I couldn't guarantee it because the situation can change so quickly.
At the time I sent that PM most if not all of our stock was G0.
Since then we've received not one, but two additional shipments. No one has inquired directly to me since we've received those and I haven't checked because I'm not located at our shipping warehouse. If someone asked me now what we have I would say "I don't know".
All I'm doing is giving you the best information I have at the time it's requested of me.
Regards,
Linus