The world's first carbon-based CPU cooler

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03-20-2007, 09:16 AM
Richard Dower

I'M SCARED! :(

:p:
03-20-2007, 09:25 AM
andyOCZ

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Originally Posted by XS Janus

Good to see the OZC guys finnaly step up and clear the thread of speculations. I kenw they were laughing in the background these past few days. :D
I looks like really good cooler. A lot of R&D went in it. Idea implementation sure doesn't strike me as something someone just woke up with.

I was watching this thread over the weekend and posted what I knew about the design (Tony has much been more involved). Basically I asked everyone to give it a chance before slamming it. You have to love they way everything new sucks around here, but at the same time you all want bigger, faster, better..... this makes little sense. So, give it a chance! ;)

Thanks Tony for stepping up with a good explanantion!
03-20-2007, 09:32 AM
Richard Dower

Andy...any pics of the new 1010W PSU?...looks very interesting.
03-20-2007, 10:51 AM
DeltZ

well we kind of got the graphite bit:P
03-20-2007, 02:18 PM
Pinnacle

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Originally Posted by andyOCZ

I was watching this thread over the weekend and posted what I knew about the design (Tony has much been more involved). Basically I asked everyone to give it a chance before slamming it. You have to love they way everything new sucks around here, but at the same time you all want bigger, faster, better..... this makes little sense. So, give it a chance! ;)

Thanks Tony for stepping up with a good explanantion!

:fact:

PS: Andy, you think you could send me the latest OCZ news from now on!?
Im one of the good guys here, not like the others :p: :D
03-20-2007, 07:53 PM
THE JEW (RaVeN)

Interesting design. For me, the "pudding proof" will be in the results, but if nothing else I salute you for trying a different design.
03-20-2007, 07:57 PM
andyOCZ

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Originally Posted by Pinnacle

:fact:

PS: Andy, you think you could send me the latest OCZ news from now on!?
Im one of the good guys here, not like the others :p: :D

If you are serious, I could see about getting you on our PR/News email list. Jus email me in my sig.
03-20-2007, 08:01 PM
Knight

How hard would it be to damage the base of the cooler? Do we need a new thermal grease like AS5 for the carbon base?
03-20-2007, 08:06 PM
Thrilla

How much are those graphite and how difficult is it to work with? It'll be fun making waterblocks or put heatpipes in them =P
03-20-2007, 08:25 PM
andyOCZ

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Originally Posted by Richard Dower

Andy...any pics of the new 1010W PSU?...looks very interesting.

From the info I have it will be similar to the GamXStream line of PSU's. I'm pretty sure that they took a prototype or even a production unit to Cebit in Taiwan, but I haven't had a look yet.
03-20-2007, 08:31 PM
ahmad

How could I forget. Some nuclear reactors use graphite blocks.

Anyways, thanks for the info Tony and unregistered.

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Originally Posted by Tony

I love the way you get this all wrong, I just read this whole thread and was amazed by what some of you think of the cooler and of OCZ.

Anyway, I will explain briefly how this cooler is working.

1 the base is made from directional conductive graphite, we used this material 3 yrs ago but then it was to brittle...now we have a version that is strong enough for direct to CPU contact under pressure.

2 the base has micro channels that over lap each other...this is how we are able to extract so much heat.

3 the fluid is not water, we may use a special coolant but we could use an oil based coolant also.

4 The pump runs off the same impeller as the fan and is centrifugal....it is placed very close to the base and pumps directly on to it, the fluid then travells up the copper tubes to the fluid distribution manifold where it is distributed to the radiators.

5 The radiators have micro channles also, this means they transfer heat at an astounding rate, i have been told the transfer from the base to the radiators of heat under test was measured under a second and the same temp on the base is seen by the radiators...this means this cooler has an ultra high efficiency rating at heat removal.

6 The air cools the radiators on the way into the cooler and then on the way out...total cooling area on the unit here is 0.5M squared...we can make this smaller or bigger depending on how much heat we want to remove.

7 The radiators in the sample here are copper, we have decided to move to Aluminum though to save on weight....there may be a slight drop in thermal performance but its so slight you will never be able to measure it ;)

8 Cooling performance is governed by the temperature of the air entering the unit....deltaT would remain constant for all tests but tested in a warm case will push the temps higher over a test on an open bench.

9 Regarding Cryo Z, units are in production, we are not showing it here but you will see it on sale in the USA soon.

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Originally Posted by unregistered

This thread is really kind of funny ...

So here is a bit more insight: The WayCool technology has been licensed from OnScreen Technologies and we have built more than 50 prototypes over the last year for all kinds of application. This said, copper is reaching its limitations of thermal transfer capability with modern CPUs that run lower power than earlier generations but also have much reduced die area -- therefore higher area power densities than anything before. ... that is up to 200 W/cm2 under normal conditions and way more in overclocked systems.

The only materials that can handle that type of thermals are based on directional graphite, which is the material used in this water block. The design is proprietary and patent pending so I won't comment further.

The second key of the cooler design is the microchannel array contained in each of the heat exchangers. We have achieved designs of less than 1 mm thickness with approximately 80% of the structure being interleaved micro-channels that result in almost complete isothermicity across the entire cooling surface within fractions of a second.

The cooling fluid is moved through a pump - whichever design fits the application, regardless of whether it is a positive displacement, rotary or centrifugal pump or even ion charge pump for smaller units.

The combination of a very high thermal exchange with the heat source with an extremely efficient heat dissipation device that only needs very slow air movement is what this is all about. We built completely passive solutions for graphics cards already that even in a 1 slot form factor beat the crap out of dual slot fan solutions and those will hit the market also in the near future.

The pump and fan are driven by the same motor that can be completely immersed in the coolant - which in that case can also act as noise suppressor for the bearings and as lubricant, similar to dynamic fluid bearings in HDDs.

Since I have spent overall about 3 years in the R&D leading to this prototype, I know very well what it can do and what not and whatever is made public about the technology will hold up.

Regards,

Michael
03-20-2007, 08:42 PM
Ron 61

Looks like Thermaltake wants some of the Onscreen Waycool tech also http://www.onscreentech.com/newsfull.php?ID=193
03-20-2007, 09:14 PM
andyOCZ

Some does this mean we are actually onto something?

We signed up quite a while ago. Copy Cats!
03-20-2007, 09:55 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by andyOCZ

Some does this mean we are actually onto something?

We signed up quite a while ago. Copy Cats!

looks like unregistered just gave us a slightly better idea but we now want hard numbers :D
03-20-2007, 10:17 PM
RFC Rudel

I already think of some nasty 80mm fans attached to the top to help the xtreme OC :banana:
03-21-2007, 12:43 AM
gundamit

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Originally Posted by unregistered

The biggest problem will mot likely be the IHS because it is not plane in most cases and further, the interface is low temp solder that has a much lower conductivity than anything else in the therml path.

Every cooler faces the same QC problem with regard to the flatness (or lack thereof) on the IHS. So YMMV in every case.

I'm confident that the new OCZ cooler will perform as well if not better than the top standard air coolers. The only question is whether the price point and performance will have new CPU owners and guys who already have beefy $50+ air coolers, taking a chance on a new technology and OCZ who has yet to establish credibility in this market, like they have with memory and to some degree, power supplies. I'm hoping the performance will spectacular so the choice becomes easy. :toast:
03-21-2007, 12:52 AM
ahmad

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Originally Posted by gundamit

Every cooler faces the same QC problem with regard to the flatness (or lack thereof) on the IHS. So YMMV in every case.

I'm confident that the new OCZ cooler will perform as well if not better than the top standard air coolers. The only question is whether the price point and performance will have new CPU owners and guys who already have beefy $50+ air coolers, taking a chance on a new technology and OCZ who has yet to establish credibility in this market, like they have with memory and to some degree, power supplies. I'm hoping the performance will spectacular so the choice becomes easy. :toast:

If its going to be within +/- 5*C of an entry level water cooling setup, I will go for it.
03-21-2007, 05:37 AM
Ron 61

Looks like this cooler will work best in a well ventilated case with fresh air ducted into the top of the cooler. Water block manufacturers are probably keeping a close eye on this.
03-21-2007, 06:13 AM
7he ]-[0rr0r

I would like to give a thanks to the OCZ guys as well i don't claim to be the most hardcore person on these forums but it really seemed that everyone was forming opinions with little to no research perhaps this will put a damper on the instant "it's crap" responses to new products.
I'd like to thank Tony in particular for his work for the enthusiast community it's good to see you posting anytime.
(i wish the sapphire board had been made on the reference grouper you worked along side of ati to develop, I'm still taming that beast and will give another go with your modded bios here in a bit.)
Btw if this is as good as some of the early claims thanks for making my watercooling seem less... kool. lol.
03-21-2007, 09:37 AM
mad mikee

Thanks Tony, UnR, and Andy

Always worthwhile waiting for the people in the know to come in and un-muddy the waters a bit.

Now just for grins, does removing the IHS and make the Core flat help, and what is a good guess (emphasis on GUESS/speculation / intuition/hunch) on how much it might help :shrug:

Thanks MikeE

/Me sits back to await realities of the future :D
03-22-2007, 11:10 AM
XS Janus

they talk about 100$ price?
http://www.matbe.com/actualites/1571...arbon-waycool/
Some new pics on the site also...
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03-22-2007, 11:43 AM
andyOCZ

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Originally Posted by dinos22

looks like unregistered just gave us a slightly better idea but we now want hard numbers :D

Unregistered is one of the engineers! I hope he has better knowledge of this non-finalzed product! :banana:

As far as price, that may be the target. Again this product is not ready to hit the shelves. Hopefully we will all have more info soon.
03-22-2007, 11:48 AM
theteamaqua

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Originally Posted by andyOCZ

Unregistered is one of the engineers! I hope he has better knowledge of this non-finalzed product! :banana:

As far as price, that may be the target. Again this product is not ready to hit the shelves. Hopefully we will all have more info soon.

havent u send it to review sites?? i;d like to see how it performs against tower 120
03-22-2007, 12:03 PM
XS Janus

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Originally Posted by andyOCZ

Unregistered is one of the engineers! I hope he has better knowledge of this non-finalzed product! :banana:

As far as price, that may be the target. Again this product is not ready to hit the shelves. Hopefully we will all have more info soon.

Cool!
But since this board can also be considered as XtremeSpeculation our bickering and brainstorming will definitely continue. :D
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03-22-2007, 12:44 PM
RyderOCZ

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Originally Posted by theteamaqua

havent u send it to review sites?? i;d like to see how it performs against tower 120

The product is still 2 - 3 months out, there are no review samples to send yet.

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Originally Posted by XS Janus

Cool!
But since this board can also be considered as XtremeSpeculation our bickering and brainstorming will definitely continue. :D

I will buy that for a dollar ;) :D

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