Probably because it was like a feeding frenzy here just a short while ago, now its came to a screeching halt.
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Probably because it was like a feeding frenzy here just a short while ago, now its came to a screeching halt.
The Reps test system was also water cooled by a Danger Den setup. He spoke of being from Oregon and going to Danger Den directly to get the system built for the show. He also spoke of Danger Den having a 10% discount on the Item and if you entered the coupon code "quakecon" you would get an additonal 10% off. I've been to the site, tested this and it's true so hopefully this mod thing is going to work out.
Could it be a capacitor variable think ? :confused:
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by Charloz24
Most Intel chips have been internally locked since 1998. The major exceptions, of course, being the Extreme Edition processors and engineering samples. The CPU's were locked mainly to prevent unscrupulous vendors from remarking chips. Even if unlocking the CPU's were possible, why would a marketing person want to defy Intel's long-standing position of keeping the chips locked? It makes no sense.
If I understand him correctly, the board somehow unlocks or makes available upward multipliers. The entire presentation was geared towards overclockers, gamers, and enthusiasts. The hour was spent overclocking and overvolting the cpu. he put 1.6v on the cpu & got it stable @ 4ghz the first day. Day two only 3.8ghz or so. He also entered the system in the dell 3DMark 06 contest which I won. As I said before, it may all just be a marketing ploy to lure us into buying the intel 975BX board, but I'm not giving up hope just this yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
How can you remark the chip? Change default multi and change cpu string and other data? You need serious hardware for this
Remarking chips does require serious hardware, but people still do it because I'm sure there's money to be made. Authorities in Taiwan busted a ring that was remarking defective AMD chips that had been stolen from plants. I believe that ring was using equipment to change the markings on the IHS.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...104071134.html
Got a question...when you have a 1066mhz fsb vs 1900mhz, doesn't the 1900mhz fsb win by like 5+% at the same clock?? So if you had option to have a lower mulit vs a higher multi wouldn't you take the lowest multi?
It's also easy to modify the windows part of the CPU, and from what I understamd, some have even done this at the bios level. Once you make these changes, some can be done easy, it becomes hard for the new customer of the PC to tell the difference until it's much too late.
What I haven't seen is someone using this method with an ES chip? Or have they? Are these chips locked or no?
I am watching this thread VERY CLOSELY.
Also, a heads-up. The Intel Bad-Axe is onsale tomorrow at Microcenter for only $219. This is the new revision for conroe cores.
I bought my OEM E6600 there yesterday. BTW, it only cost me $179 dollars. All Microcenters have a instant $200 dollars off if you sign with Vonage for 1 year. This special is going on through next week.
Cheers
Bear in mind that the rep used an X6800.
Everything about this utterly lacks logic, especially why a rep would let such a secret go at such an event as QuakeCon, where maybe one or two people would have the slightest clue what he was talking about. And a marketing rep at that, I doubt even he had much of a clue about what he talking about.
Was the rep useing a 6800EE? That would explain alot.
I bet someone at Intel just told this rep something about the OC Debug pins and something got lost in translation. :p: Not like much of the audience would understand or care which pins they were anyways.Quote:
an Intel marketing rep who was demonstrating the overclocking of Intels X6800
I'm wondering if he really has a degree in marketing because it's pretty dumb for a marketing rep to suggest to people that they can buy cheaper CPU's and just change the multiplier. I'm sure the execs at Intel HQ would be throwing a fit.
During the demonstration the rep was using a using x6800 on a 975BX board. During the demonstration the rep clearly said I'll show you all a secret after the demonstration and allow you to come on the stage. He clearly stated that if you want to unlock the multipliers on any conroe core 2 duo like the 6800 is already, all you need do is this mod. He clearly said this has been done back a the labs in oregon and its how they test the cpu's. Now no one but him knows exactly what he meant by all this. He even said that if anyone burns up or destroys the intel cpu or motherboard due to overclocking, intel will replace it. Now of course all this seemed like marketing aimed at the overclocking community, but I'm still convinced that no one would make such a false claim just to stir a crowd. Though I don't think intel is going to guarantee their products of failure as a result in overclocking.
Was he using the BIOS to change the multi with, or Intel Desktop Control Center ?
During the demonstration he used the bios to change the multiplier to overclock the system. He first lowered it to 9, then raised it to 10. But remember during the demo he was using a X6800 so of course this was possible. It was not demonstrated that this mod will unlock all core 2 duo's, but it was stated. During the overclocking tests he raised vcore chipset core etc then used intels control center to chose how much of an overclock was desired. He didn't seem much like an overclocking pro or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
so that "jumper" doesn't work...........
I am too after reading this:Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
lol...I see someone getting fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Well the only two people on here that said they tried it have not reported back other than to say its not working and they can no longer get into windows. They we asked to clear cmos which they hadn't done after the mod, & one said he was going to try a different bios. We are all waiting to hear back from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
They don't. Also, modifying the CPU in any way would void the warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
The limited warranty does not cover:
"...any Product which has been modified or operated outside of Intel’s publicly available specifications or where the original identification markings (trademark or serial number) has been removed, altered or obliterated from the Product."
Also not covered:
"...damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical power, abnormal electrical, mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance with product instructions, misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper testing"
I wonder....but could it be that the mfg mode is what's used to blow the resistors in an EE and turn it into a locked proc?...maybe that's what he was talking about.
Now with such a sentence, we can be sure that all that story is pure BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Nemesis
Well, let's think about this for a moment. With Intel losing so much market share to the enthusiast sector over the last few years to AMD. What is the one thing they can do other than the excellent design of the conroe to give that knock-out punch to AMD?
You really think this Intel rep sent to this function with the express purpose to show off their new products by Intel would just put his job, the means to support his family, his future etc. And to put all of that into doubt by leaking company secrets? I highly doubt it. C'mon now.
This could be the start of a grass-roots compaign to sink AMD even further. How many people would rush to buy even more Intel products while AMD is caught off guard if this is in fact true?
Think about it. Sure sounds reasonable to me.
Yes, I have thought about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sixfootduo
First, no one has proven the multipliers can be unlocked. And as someone else mentioned, it could be a marketing rep who doesn't know what he's talking about. It wouldn't be the first time a marketing rep misunderstood what the technicians were telling him.
Until someone can actually unlock an Intel CPU via a board mod, then it all remains speculation.
It's been eight years since Intel began locking its CPU's. Don't you think someone out of the tens of millions of Intel users would have figured out by now how to unlock the multipliers, if it were possible? The multiplier is locked internally. It's not like the old Athlon XP days when you used conductive ink to close some bridges.
i'm sure somebody must have Bad Axe + X6800, why doesn't he try this mod.?