i doubt that it.
its really hard to tell with kingstons the product code is always the same ect...
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i doubt that it.
its really hard to tell with kingstons the product code is always the same ect...
well tigerdirect only stocks corsair, kinston, mushkin, and pqi, simpletech, ultra, PNY.us modular, premium, k-byte, cybertron, ibm, hp/compaq.
if there are any possible leads of winbond utt on any of these ram makers, please let me know and i'll go to tigerdirect with a list and check them out.
cant u order from newegg?
What did you order?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcworks
yea i can, but what i'm saying is maybe i can go to the store and check out some other brands like corsair or kingston and see if they have winbond utt and let you guys know that there is more than just the twinmos and possibly adata.Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
Its the only place near me like that and i could go and look at the module i would be buying.
well yes then you can take a look at the kingston if you are gonna see them in person. look for the right chips. 2 big dimples.
I ordered this stick, now they have put the price up another £1!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
Non Winbond UTT twinmos stick
I think Komplett have caught onto this thread and are going to keep on increasing their prices on these sticks.
Rob H
he bought theseQuote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
Drew a blank today , no UTT for me. I hunting a few other stores tomorrow . Il llet you know if I find any.
Gunner order some Twinmos from komplett tomorrow. Im trying the normal 3200 and the twinmos with w/ winbond. A mate, GazC ordered the normal twinmos. Collect our findings and go for the best, well thats what im going to be doing anyway ;)
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....146-219-02.JPG
Mushkin looks to be using the Brainpower PCB, I'd put a higher emphasis in seeing whether the brainpower pcb using brands are using UTT
Edit} the EGG doesn't show it using 2.5-4-4 *4-blech* so I wouldn't be so sure that it is using UTT but who knows
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...200-035&depa=1
these look to be using the ProMOS
These got a chance being good sticks?
http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601520
the old PC3700 twinmos used to be amazing in the NF7 days... the chips were marked with 43B then... 4.3ns = DDR466Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
if these are UTT but rated at 4.3ns they will be tested to a higher level... cant be a bad thing!
hm, I dunno to take the plundge or not...
ring them up and see if they are UTT... if they are buy themQuote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
Chances are they would'nt know . shops in UK are not always too helpful when you call them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Email them, i once wanted to know what week codes thier current winchesters, and 3700 754 were, and they responsed quickly with the full information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
If you were to ask what ram is on the sticks im sure they would get back with the info...
Furthermore, what ram is likely to be the UTT, im thinking of getting these 2* 512 sticks,
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113518&cks=PRL
or should i wait for more 512 sticks of winbond version to come back in stock???
when the new stock arrive they will sold out in no time... make sure you ready 24/7 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamz
lol i agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
sending email while phone is xtreme job :banana: :banana: :banana:
simpletech at newegg has the two dots, http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....150-345-04.jpg
you can only see the middle dots on the farthest chip on the right. and brainpower pcb. that looks very promising.
Well I can't see the dots and to be honest, this looks quite suspicious. The small dot on the edge of the chip (right corner) is IMHO much bigger than on Winbond Chips. So I'd say that this RAm is not Winbond based.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
I cant see the dots period...
just ordered the Twinmos 2700 with the AA4T sticker on it, hopefully thats what ill recieve... ill have it in a week to let you guys know
you can only see the one side of the double dot on the farthest left(sorry, the right dot, excuse the dyslexia) dot.
i'm also on a laptop and the screen is very very bright. turn up your monitors brightness and have another look, you will see the bottom left dot on all chips, and on the farthest right chip you will see the right one of the double dots.
I think that is UTT , but its still kinda hit & miss. the MK are not for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamz
okay, why isn't this stickied?
i think your seeing things, i downloaded the picture and zoomed in right on the IC's. stil cant see the dots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip
right below the H on simpletech! i know its there! i see it.
can anybody else see it! help!
*rubs eyes* I don't see :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.......lol
wow, this is really weird.
turn up the monitors brightness, i'm on a laptop, that is very bright.
With all this voltage running through this ram is anyone concerned about cooling?
If you are, here is a link to a site that has pictures of a possible solution. It seems to work pretty good on this guy's PC2700.
http://www.kaltmacher.de/viewtopic.p...er=asc&start=0
Hey Rabbi,
Here we go again, chasing down a specific ram at every online retailer known to man. Weren't we doing this not too long ago?
thats gorgeous cooling.
but i'm not too worried about it. if i get this ram or vx the system will have an xp-90 on it so that helps to cool the ram a bit.
I'd have got speed premium but it isn't on sale in the UK :(Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
So how many people have ordered the (utt) TwinMos from uk (komplett) Kinda tempted to take the plunge, even for just 1 stick... If its decent it'll go nicely with the current 512 of CH5 for 768mb....
Winbond chips can ALSO be identified of the FOUR metal spots they have at the end (corner) of each chip close to every corner of it.........Two metal spots on each side....... ;)
hipro5 i think i have seen those metal spots on Jetram RAM and they were definately not winbond! ill have to check !Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Nah, Samsung and Micron ICs have them too.
Yes but they HAVE to have two rounded dots on the chip and four metal spots on their corners too........ ;)
heh, i got the last 4 of those 512 winmos, will report back with what have you!! :banana4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamz
Just wanted to pass this along.
The guy that works at Fry's and found the OCZ PC2700 with the M.tec chip posted over at OC Forums that they are carrying the KVR with these chips as well and they are 512MB sticks. If anyone is near a Fry's they just happen to be running a rebate offer as well so they can be had for about $55-$60 (after tax, net of rebate).
Only problem about the rebate is the old "one per household" rule, but we all know how to get around that. :)
Tekheads aren't too bad for stuff like that but Komplet are totally clueless/unhelpful. I think the best guys for checking steppings etc are CPU City, but afaik all their Twinmos stock is too old to be of any use in this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessfm
so, can someone make it simpler? i've read the thread from start to finish, and still confused. howver, what i gathered:
(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) AA4T (not AADT)
(*) Metal Dots
(*) 44D (or 50D) TMD marking
So, did I miss or screw something here? What else do I need to check? I can only check for these markings at the store without actually needing to plug them in a PC. Thanks...
All of the above are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
The only reason for looking for the "Speed Premium" variety is the Brain Power PCB, otherwise, the regular TwinMOS meeting the other criteria will have the right chips.
In addition to the "two dots marking" which I presume you to mean the Winbond circular markings on the chips, there is also the small hole in the lower left corner of the chip. The metal "dots" on the sides of the chips are more like a protrusion, just a small metal band, almost like a little staple along the edge of the chip.
The PC2700 rated chip, which is the "60D" has also been identified as being able to hit the same high speeds and it has been found in in OCZ's value ram, which I think they call their Premier Series (it has the BP PCB also), as well as the TwinMOS.
Good hunting!
Got one pair 1 GB (512 x 2) less than 200$
http://www.geocities.com/benny_nejkt...z_2225_mem.txt
tnx reefa
You should be able to get them for less than 150$USD
hohohoho in my country ???? impossible :D :D
Oh... I didn't see that... Best of Luck in OCing those
Turned up the brightness and contrast... I see one middle dot on the IC far right (middle dot nearess top) cant seem to see the other one though. Havnt got PS installed to probe for further investigation :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Skip
upon looking again i do see that top dot on the far right, but thats the only one i see, hmmm...
http://mitglied.lycos.de/coolinglimi...er/Cooler3.jpg
That is unreal!
/me drools
That is some might fine work there, isn't it?
I just had to share it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by death metal
You are welcome.
All of our thanks go to they guys that have done the hard work of identifying these chips.
The rest of us are just out on a hunting expedition.
Fed ex came. so, I will have the twinmos SP 512 sticks and my 2nd 256 stick when I get home! Everyone let's just take a moment for a silent prayer to the overclock gods.
Sorry dude, I'm saving all my prayers for mine! :D ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Seriously though, good luck with them :toast:
Next step is human sacrifice. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
i wish the best! :toast: :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I edited the first post so that we have everything tha is confirmed so far on what chips to look for!
- 2 DotsQuote:
Originally Posted by death metal
- AA4T
- 2 Metal dots on both sides
are correct
but, the ram doesn't have to be speed premium ! I have standart twinmos ;)
and they aren't only 44D and 50D. mine are 60D :D
I would say speed premium after week 46 2004Quote:
Originally Posted by X-GeN
so how does mine do over 265mhz 2-2-2-5 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I'm saying if you want the chips on speed premium look after week 46. this could be when twinmos decided to use utt on the speed premium series.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-GeN
ok now I understood :DQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
hehehehe, I still have those Micron sticks in my draw... actually trying to sell them now that I have VX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
this is what it's about for those of us without piles of coin though.... wait for the "budget" series and pray for a gem!
Good to see you again bro :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Word!
I have the money, but it's so much more rewarding finding inexpensive products and making them perform on par or better than the pricey components. Isn't that what overclocking is in the 1st place?
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Yes it is...
here's where i am after 1 night of burn-in :D
EDIT: This is from the link you posted earlier in this
thread(Newegg)
EDIT#2
here's what i got...PC3200-256(DDR400)U-Dimm 184 PIN
Model# TMSP400/256
I'm just assuming that "U-DIMM" means UTT/Winbond ???
how many volts? this is 1 256 stick of speed premium?Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
Im burnin with 3.10...Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
And yes this is the same 256Stick you first recevied
EDIT: See my post edit for the Model#
@ seldomsean
O/T, what is that funky taskbar in your screen shot? :slobber:
looks quite smart, I'm not sure if i'd use it myself though
What is the max you found? I started at 3.4v@250mhz and worked my way up to 270mhz, then backed it down to stable speed od 267 and then looped memtest86 for 24 hrs for burn in. I'm anxious to see what your max is with the same configuration. We are both using the same boards.
Is that some kind of Nintendo Super Mario task bar?
I got my final response form ADATA....
"Nope, all our DDR modules have only one small circle mark at the bottom
right hand corner of the IC. I checked the DDR 333, 400 modules (128,
256 MB)."
Stephen Su
A-DATA Technology (USA)
I'm sorry for asking so many times, but does anyone know where to buy TwinMOS memory in Canada? Duty from the US is killer...
EDIT: I've found these cheapo memories (I've read this entire thread, but I'm still a little confused about where Kingston Value stands.)
512MB PC3200 Kingston ValueRAM at NCIX.com (CAS 2.5 version)
512MB PC3200 Kingston ValueRAM at Tigerdirect.ca (CAS 3 version)
512MB PC3200 Infineon cheapo at NCIX.com
Infineon has the rights to Winbond's chips, right? Is there a chance that there may be Winbond UTT on their OEM stuff?
I'm just throwing ideas around here... I'd really like to hear if anyone knows where to get TwinMOS stuff in Canada. I'll do some more Googling and see if I can't find a source.
ok two of my friends already got winbond UTT from the speed premium :banana: :banana: :banana:
lucky them.... :toast:
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...z_2225_mem.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...636_resize.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtre...med_resize.jpg
I found a bunch of twinmos mems new on ebay. Maybe find some and ask seller about circles. As far as Canada goes, I'm not much help. Why not contact Twinmos and ask if they have Canadian resellers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
I think that is what's is waiting for me at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
@ trans am...Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
No it's not Nintendo but now that you mention it "Sure looks like it"
My 8year old put that there :D Well i haven't tried to find my Max
yet but i will do it now ;) Also change out the "Theme" :eek:
I will post a screenie of what i can get(Max)
In the meantime have you seen this thread...http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=49660
267@2.0-2-2-x Dual Channel(939) :banana:
EDIT: Ahh TicTac beat me to it ;)
seldomsean,
up your vdimm to at least 3.2v to get those modules clocking right... my VX did jack until I gave them over 3.0v... 3.2v is when they made the biggest MHz increase.
Yea i need to install my Booster...I'm gonna do it "right Now"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
show us some results! :D
Don't know why i started Burn-in Without my DDR Booster... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
I have been Very Busy and now i have 4Days off :banana:
Anyhow this is Much Better...
@enzoR, I'm sticking to this thread like "Flys on $hit"
So you know im gonna show some results...
Also want to thank you for the "GREAT" Find!!
-Sean
Reefer_Madness over at ocforums posted this link. It might be useful for showing people what to look for. About half-way down it shows the TwinMOS/MTec chips. http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/TENJIKAN-DDR.htm
OK...I'm right where you were 270@ 3.3v and that was as far as i couldQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
go without a Reboot...I'm sure that with some more BURN they will yeild
even better ;) Right now im at 260 and its stable(Super_PI)& Sandra
so im gonna leave it there for the Burn...
-Sean
wow... now... 3.5v :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by seldomsean
just because you got into windows at 270 without a reboot doesn't mean it's stable. set in bios and boot right into memtest86 and select test. loop test 5 and 8. it's much faster at finding results, And great for burning.
Second that!Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
please someone point me to 512 modules ????? 10x
Gotcha!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Yes i realise this...I'm gonna have to Flash to 10/15 with memtest86Quote:
just because you got into windows at 270 without a reboot doesn't mean it's stable.
as i don't have a Working floppy...
It's Reefa not Reefer _Madness...you are going to make people think bad (or good, I guess, depending on your perspective) of me posting my name that other way (Jimmy Buffet's way). You're not from the Boston area, are you...I had a teacher once from Boston that pronounced it that way. He told me I had a very "contemporary name", of course, that was back in 1973.
I believe the link above has already been posted in this thread, but I may have gotten confused (there is that Madness again) with another related thread. In any event, it is helpful but I would think most guys here probably would know a Winbond chip on sight.
The KVR has a quirk that maybe someone can help me with. I have a set that looks/appears to be the correct chips, however, there are only 54 legs/solder points (27 on each side) on the IC to PCB, instead of the typical 66 (33 on each side). That of course is how the older Kingston relabeled bh-5/bh-6 were, but these have mid 2004 (0423) production dates so they are confusing me.
I have not opened the box because they were expensive ($175 with tax for a 2x256) and since then I have ordered the TwinMOS. I was hoping that I could find a sale/rebate deal before my return period expired on these, but it doesn't really matter now, however, I'm more interested in the riddle of the 54 vs 66 legs.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I will probably end up returning them, as the Speed Premiums with the BP PCB appear to be a much better choice anyways.
tic tac and everyone else. I just opened my newegg package and the 512 sticks have id sticker on ram that shows 44DT suffix. Should I open them? According to tic tac's friend he's also has 44DT so the AA4T theory could be wrong. I can't see dimples with them in the box because the stickers are covering the ics.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
If they were advertised as AA4T and you received 44DT then you can RMA them anyway right?
May as well try them if you are guaranteed an RMA
Did tictac's friends state they had the AADTs? I tried to look at them earlier when the pictures were up and could not tell. Is it in that other thread?
It would be nice if they rock as well, maybe the key is the date on them and not the codes (4 vs D)
There was someone in this thread that says he managed 250 and one of the screenies shows 44D chips.
maybe 4 for 256mb sticks, D for 512mb?
ok, i took one of the 512's out of the pack and tried to boot her up at 2-2-2 and no dice.
won't even post. It seems these don't have dimples and are from week 43. Also where it shows the date on the ic (middle line) it reads "0443D" the good ones just had the date ex. "04464" and no D at the end.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22186&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22187&stc=1
Here are the good ones/ these are 256.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22188&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22189&stc=1
maybe if the date ends in a "4" they r the UTT?
Mine are identiacal to yours trans. But I can make out the winbond dots on the chips. No boot here either. So twinmos is saying all the NEWER stock will have the utt chips?
what is your date code sparkie?Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
0443D, reset the cmos multiple times. 3.4vdimm at 200mhz no go. The dimples are real faint. I'm talking real faint.
ah man, must've said the wrong prayers.
This is getting way too complex! Mind you if anyone works this UTT riddle out it'll be you I think.
The 44D on the chips is good, trans am's 256 stick had those codes on the CHIPS, so did the guy posting over at OC Forums with the OCZ sticks. The TwiNMOS parts # is the one in question. If it ends in AA4 T they are good and if it ends in AAD T they are questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermS
Some one else mentioned the 4 vs. the D on the date code. That info matches the product codes...if it performs well..it has a 4 after the date AND on the parts # label, if it doesn't, the ones with the D after the date code also have it in the part # and these do not clock as well.
The TwinMOS parts number is just indicating the same thing that is being printed on the chips themselves.
This 4 is what we should be looking for and is indicating the Winbond chips, whether or not it is a TwinMOS or an M.tec chip, they both are holding true on this.
if there is any more controversey, i am gonna get a migraine