He probably used a 120mm fan to cool the board.
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He probably used a 120mm fan to cool the board.
Yeah well I am going to use my AC vent to cool mine...
Right now my CPU usually runs 36-38 and my chipset runs around 28-30...how is that compared to the chipset on the DFI?
I have 2 x mains voltage fans I have set up with a speed controller and a mounting arm so i can push lots of cool air on test boards.On full speed they push 300+cfm together but I rarely use them over 100CFM total.
They are 120MM in size.
But what is the temp on them?
bigtoe, any new news on the s939 board (i.e. when you'll get to test it), or any idea of which uk resellers will stock the s754 board first?
Is the 939 really going to perform better than the 754?
Since I know the L2 cache size is different and all....
I tried the NB-1c. It doesn't even cover the chipset. It's too small. Someone needs to make a chipset cooler specially designed for the nf3-250gb. I just put a 40mm fan over the stock cooler for now and that seems to work pretty well.Quote:
Originally posted by ugp
One the chipset cooler I think I would go witht he Thermalright one...looks better... Or is the one witht he fan actually better...?
Alright...well I am guessing someone will make one for the nForce 3 if it is known to get hot...Quote:
Originally posted by trans am
I tried the NB-1c. It doesn't even cover the chipset. It's too small. Someone needs to make a chipset cooler specially designed for the nf3-250gb. I just put a 40mm fan over the stock cooler for now and that seems to work pretty well.
The mounting holes would need to be further apart to be able to have a larger chipset heatsink :(Quote:
Originally posted by trans am
Someone needs to make a chipset cooler specially designed for the nf3-250gb.
You could always watercool it though ;)
Well I cant afford that...
socket 754 90nm mobile (Oakville) 35w. I'm not sure what the rated speeds are yet. Request one for me too.Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I have no clue.
What flavors do they come in, what is the biggest chip and what is it called exactly?
I'll request one.
OPP
I'm sure you did use cooling:DQuote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
I had to add cooling to the chipset to get 400HTT stable, then I pushed 100cfm over the board to get 425HTT stable ;)
But to max out a good 1:1 clock the stock cooler is fine;)
OPP
Are you sure that's 0.09µ will be available on S754 I tough that was only for S939 ?Quote:
Originally posted by trans am
socket 754 90nm mobile (Oakville) 35w. I'm not sure what the rated speeds are yet. Request one for me too.
Trans Am,
Are there any special tricks to get the mobiles to work in Nforce 3 Mobos? I read somewhere someone had to put a regular 754 in the mobo first.
I would like to try a socket 754 90nm mobile (Oakville) 35w when they are available. Do you have full control over the multipliers?
I have Corsair XMS 3200 memory rated at 2-3-3-6@ 400 mhz. I have had this memory on my barton running as high as 444mhz@ 2-3-3-6 @2.7. Do you think I could get say 460 out of this memory on this board, or should I get OCZ?
New Egg has this Proc. Is is worth a crap? Will it work on the Nforce 3's?
AMD 35W Mobile Athlon 64 2700+, 512KB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM
Model# AMD2700BQX4AX
Item # N82E16819103449
Specification
Model: AMD Mobile Athlon 64
Core: Clawhammer
Operating Frequency: 1.6GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512KB
Voltage: 1.20V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)
Go preorder it!!! read my new thread link is there....
they said :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: you zipzoomfly and went to someone else!!!
http://www.gameve.com/gve/Store/Prod...sku=MB-DFI-023
There is the link screw it ill post it here anyway...
I ordered mine!
after shipping cost it is a bit more expensive than zip would have been, and you don't get the second day air....but resellers has a good rating for them and their are plenty of claims of quick shipping.
Let's cross our fingers for no delays!
I did regular shipping... for the $6.75...because I believe we get them on the 2nd anyway dont we?
I'm in. Sweet.
LOL! Come on everyone post when you have preordered it...so we can see how many people are getting this!
Just ordered mine. The page claims:
"This item will be released on 9/2/2004"
Which I'm reading as "we will ship them on 9/2". I doubt they are guaranteeing delivery by 9/2.
Edit: Vivian's e-mail says:
"The estimated shipment date is still September 2nd"
So that pretty much confirms that they will be shipped 9/2.
Umm, OK, I'll post here too then. :D Ordered mine 3rd, if they went by ugp's thread, lol. ;)
ordered mine too.
baldy
I use these "finger choppers". :D www.sidewindercomputers.com/ystech120mm.html I know it says 45 decibles, but they don't seem that loud to me.Quote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
I have 2 x mains voltage fans I have set up with a speed controller and a mounting arm so i can push lots of cool air on test boards.On full speed they push 300+cfm together but I rarely use them over 100CFM total.
They are 120MM in size.
OK, I am officially jealous! :dammit:
Living in Canada, where GameVE does not ship, and waiting and waiting ... :)
200CFM.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/delffb1212eh.html
i got a couple awhile back for a 226w peltier project.
no doubt, this is the king of 12 volt fannage, hands down.
r they loud, waddayathink???
baldy:D
They don´t ship abroad? because I just emailed them if they do international shipping...Quote:
Originally posted by GreyBeard
OK, I am officially jealous! :dammit:
Living in Canada, where GameVE does not ship, and waiting and waiting ... :)
I am not sure on if they do or not....DFI said in the email to just check with them....
But also remember there are a limited quanity and this is a more wide beta test of the board... So you better order quickly!
To see how the rest of us does with it...I think I am going to have lots of overclocking fun with it:D:D:D:D
According to their shipping policy they do not take international orders. All their info is on the Privacy Policy page - not very obvious.Quote:
Originally posted by jayl
They don´t ship abroad? because I just emailed them if they do international shipping...
Sorry to hear that....but I will enjoy it and let you know if it is actually worth it and if it lives up to the hype....no one knows for sure yet...
I tried to search info about their shipping policy from their site but didn´t find it earlier...
But I got an email from them that no international sale. damn...
well, I quess I´ll have to wait until I can order it somewhere from Europe...
Why not email vivan and ask which canadian and UK stores will have it first? This preorder thing is dumb, just wait until Sept 2 and order it from a different store.
I did ask Vivian that. The stores she listed are the ones from the DFI Where To Buy page. So you could see what's listed there for Europe. I know I will be checking the Canadian ones in September. :)
I wouldnt buy anything from gameve any ways. They shipped me out a x800vivo pretty fast so they are cool on that. But there RMA process is the worst ever. I sent them a DOA X800VIVO and they send me back a used X800 ? Needless to say I wont be ordering from that place again.
*Edit they waived the restocking fee for me*
Well when you RMA something send it directly to the company!!!
All they do is do that anyway so why....skip them and send it yourself....
moin
nice thread, nice board.
i think, here in Germany we have to wait for a long time,to see this board in our shops.
hopefully...
free
I am so happy i live in America then...we get everything first:D
Hi ppl!
Been following this thread for a while now and decided to buy this DFI board.
My question is now:
1. What ram should i buy for it for maximum oc (i only need 512 meg)
2. Is an newcastle 3200+ ok or is the 3400 easier to overclock and is there some sort of stepping i should buy ?
Thanks for any help.
1. OCZ3700EB is the most highly recommend RAM for A64. If you only need 512, try to find 1x512 as single sticks OC better (might be hard to find though as they are usually sold as matched pairs).Quote:
Originally posted by Ubermann
Hi ppl!
Been following this thread for a while now and decided to buy this DFI board.
My question is now:
1. What ram should i buy for it for maximum oc (i only need 512 meg)
2. Is an newcastle 3200+ ok or is the 3400 easier to overclock and is there some sort of stepping i should buy ?
Thanks for any help.
2. Again the recommend choice is 1M, CG stepping Clawhammer (CPU code ends in 5AR). Both the 3200+ and 3400+ seem to OC quite well. Presummably, if AMD has done a good job of binning, the 3400+ should reach a higher absolute clock speed, but I am not sure which is better on a relative basis. I went with the higher multiplier as I had already bought value RAM (OCZ 3700EB is twice as expensive in Canada).
Thanks you very much!
I just found this new Geil Ultra X memory in sweden but now i noticed they dont seem to work very good with A64 =(
OCZ seems to be impossible to find in Sweden grr!
Why did GOD put ME in Sweden without VISA!
Questions about the DFI NF3.
1. Does DFI anticipate a shortage of this board cause it's hard to make or anything similar to whats happening with the supply and demand of the X800XT's and 6800 Ultras??
2. Will Newegg have this board soon??
3. Does it Support Mobiles??
I definatly need a new motherboard and CPU soon, and this falls perfect in my spending limit with a CPU.
I want a 1 meg cache, and don't want to bother with a newcastle, and neither gameVE or Zipzoomfly carry 1 meg cache CPU's that are in my spending range ($220) but newegg has 3 choices for CPU's that are 1 meg cache CPU's, Mobiles and the 3200.
I want to order both the motherboard and CPU at the same time, from the same place.
if neither gameVE or DFI offer 1 meg cache CPU's then I don't want to order from them, but if I got to wait a month for newegg to get these, I will probably just buy a new P4 CPU and make do with that.
:lol: I sometimes feel the same way - at least I am somewhat closer to the centre of the universe. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Ubermann
Why did GOD put ME in Sweden without VISA!
Anyway, supposedly, OCZ temporarily stopped production on EB memory, but is ramping up again. A local store here has just started carrying EB, but it ain't cheap! Maybe it will eventually make its way across the pond.
Hmm i heard, on the crucial ballistix are the same chips like on the OCZ EB.
free
According to the test on anandtech it seems so.
They did good on the AMD 64 test.
they're the only one, which did that kinda good :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Ubermann
According to the test on anandtech it seems so.
They did good on the AMD 64 test.
i think, anand got good-yielded chips to test
EB uses Micron 5B-C chips and Ballistix use Micron 5B-G chips, and bigtoe was saying that the G chips aren't better yet (if they were then they'd be in EB ;) )Quote:
Originally posted by freestylercs
Hmm i heard, on the crucial ballistix are the same chips like on the OCZ EB.
free
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...threadid=40112
I am glad I got my 64-Bit when I did because I lucked out and got a good version of it...the ClawHammer with C0 steppings.
Bigtoe i was wondering, how can i recognise the rev3 modules?
or are all the OCZ EB modules, that are being produced now, rev3's?
and is there a significant overclocking differance between 3500EB and 3700EB?
GreyBeard where did you here found out the 5AR stepping is recommended?Quote:
Originally posted by GreyBeard
Again the recommend choice is 1M, CG stepping Clawhammer (CPU code ends in 5AR). Both the 3200+ and 3400+ seem to OC quite well. Presummably, if AMD has done a good job of binning, the 3400+ should reach a higher absolute clock speed, but I am not sure which is better on a relative basis.
Have more info for you today.
The board has the same layout as mine except they changed the caps to Rubycons for better performance.The bios im assured has all the same features etc.
939 is soon..how soon I don't know...
The preorder has proven very popular so expect to see more boards from DFI released this way.
Awesome! We love you bigtoe!!!
Oh, that's just awesome. :toast: That's been one of Abit's best selling points for me before, and I'm glad DFI has the smarts to see how important that is. :) I bet it cuts WAY down on RMAs. BTW, this will be my first ever DFI, and I gotta say, I'm gettin' pretty darn psyched. :DQuote:
Originally posted by bigtoe
The board has the same layout as mine except they changed the caps to Rubycons for better performance.
kunnac, the only p4 that can stand up to the a64s is the p4ee and its more expensive than the fx53 and has no 64 bits. what is so bad about the 512k cache castles? I have a 3200+ at 2.6GHz, if you use phase change, 3Ghz plus
if I am gonna do something, I don't wanna do it half assed.Quote:
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
what is so bad about the 512k cache castles?
the 1 meg cache just does get better benchmarks overall.
for a gamer, a 512 cache is great.
but I consider myself a benchmarker first.
I have alot more fun, tweaking and pushing PC's then playing games. Odd perhaps, but thats just me.
Odd in these forums? That's not even the norm, that's the overwhelming majority :D
question for bigtoe or OPP, could you give the exact distance between the mounting holes of the shipset heatsink?
Thx
Decided to pick one of these up and a 2800+, fed up of having nothing to clock other than a SN45G!
Later itll go into my server.
In the meantime, will a Thermalright SB-2 fit on one of these?
The 5AR is the last three digits that indicates a CG ClawHammer. A description of the CPU codes can found here.Quote:
Originally posted by Jack
GreyBeard where did you here found out the 5AR stepping is recommended?
As for where I saw it recommended ... I have been reading forums like this for 6+ months ... it kinda stands out. :D
CG is better than CO as CG has a better memory contoller and OCs higher. As for CH vs NC, well there are numerous threads debating that. The consenus seems to be that CH is better for OCing even though the NC can reach higher absolute clocks as the benefit of the bigger cache grows with clock speed. At stock, the NC is generally considered better than the CH.
But wasn't it a 3200+ with C0 steppings that the record was broken with?
Well this is what I have for my 64-Bit here..
Yup, and Bigtoe will probably be the first to tell you that he has very good COs! He was also only using 256MB of RAM that works well with A64s.Quote:
Originally posted by ugp
But wasn't it a 3200+ with C0 steppings that the record was broken with?
If you want 2 sticks and a wider choice of RAM, and a better chance at higher clocks, then CG is the way to go. CO is not bad, CG is just a little bit better.
Hi again!
Another question =)
I have found the 3500EB and 3700EB now and they are avaible in stock.
Should i get then 3500 or the 3700 for the DFI ?
If you can afford it, go for the 3700! It should be able to clock a bit higher.
Thanks!
(If i live on water for 2 weeks i can afford it..and what dont we do to get some extra mhz in this insane world =)
*Found the OCZ booster also so make that 3 weeks on water*
I have little ones to feed, so it is cheap RAM for me! :)
Yeah I haven't gotten little ones yet...but I am sure they are coming soon with how my "personal" life is with my girlfriend...it is bound to happen...
My CO's are not stellar overclockers...both do 2.4gig flat out.I ran lower multi and high HTT so final cpu clock speed was not much higher than stock speed.
3500EB is what I prefer and I have both here to use.3700 is tested for all out speed and 3500 is tested for tighter timings but usually does a similar top end.
I used 1x512 for the benchmarks...not a 256. 1 gig lowers HTT to 250 or so max due to drive strength issues from the memory controller...this is NOT a ram issue.If you have EB test them indevidually on A64 then see what they do together...together will be lower but its nothing to do with the ram.
So with a 1GB set of that I am looking to do 250 max. That is still 2.5GHz at a 10.0 Multiplier which is still awesome:D
I would be happy with 250 for a gig with good timings. maybe use the 10/9 divider with a mobile 3200? Damn it...gonna have to buy this board and a gig of eb :D
just go to zipzoomfly and get a gig of BH-5 for $230Quote:
Originally posted by gouda96
I would be happy with 250 for a gig with good timings. maybe use the 10/9 divider with a mobile 3200? Damn it...gonna have to buy this board and a gig of eb :D
Nah, we want OCZ EB PC3500 512x2!!! LOL :D
I'm hoping my gig of Mushkin works well with it. I know some folks have said their BH5 didn't run too well with A64, but I had both sticks runnin' fine in the Abit, so I have hope. :) I'm glad bigtoe mentioned that he prefers EB3500, I was thinking about some 3700. :cool:
so...
the board ll be available "everywhere" on 2nd Sept? right? hope i can get one soOn here in Austria or shipping from germany :D
well i also want to know what i could do with these cheap bh-6 here...
also my epoX is in a while sold so i must get one soON !
seEn andL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quote:
just go to zipzoomfly and get a gig of BH-5 for $230
BH-5 modules have been out of production and unavailable except in the classifieds or Ebay.
baldy
There's still a good chance of getting BH-5 from these sticks here:Quote:
Originally posted by bldegle2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
BH-5 modules have been out of production and unavailable except in the classifieds or Ebay.
baldy
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ductCode=80088
I believe the PC3000 rating scared people away from the model.
exactly what I was thinking. I'm gonna buy some of those soon, I hope they dont run outa BH-5Quote:
Originally posted by aldamon
There's still a good chance of getting BH-5 from these sticks here:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ductCode=80088
I believe the PC3000 rating scared people away from the model.
EB is the only way to go...
Sorry for slight deviation from main thread subject, but is this the 512MB EB that is recommended?
pc3500
edit - forgot link! duh!
key word is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Quote:
There's still a good chance of getting BH-5 from these sticks here:
CHANCE.
BTW, if you are looking for BH-5 stuffs, I have a 512 stick of Corsair PC3500 and two 256 meg sticks of Mushkin PC3500 level II BH-5 that will be hitting the classifieds soon, I can guarantee BH-5 goodness.
anyway, thanks for the heads up, i was for sure thinking that the well had dried up completely on the BH-5 stuffs.
baldy
I want some good 512x2 that wiill hold up good to the 64-Bit and overclock well
All the khx 3200 and 3000 2-2-2 is bh-5 (some 3000 is bh-6, but haven't seen any in a realy long time, and bh-6 is still damn good anyway) the 2-3-2 or the 3000/3200A is ch-5. If they send you ch-5 you can return it because they are advertising 2-2-2 non A and they sent 2-3-2 A.
Or you could just get eb and get similar timings with lower volts.
EB and Ballistix are the way to go because you get the tightest timings possible without silly volts.
BH-5 needs 3.3vish to hit 250 whereas 3700EB can do it on 2.7-2.8v. The lower the volts going through the onboard memory controller, the better.
I just sold a BH-5 and a BH-6 stick to pay for my EB.
Yeah...the EB really looks like it is really the only way to go on the DFI board for the 64-bit. I know that is the way I am going to go and the price on the PC3500 1GB set is only $295.00 on NewEgg. Unless anyone else knows where to get it cheaper? That is a trusted place anyway...
So, how will running 2 512 MB sticks of EB affect an overclock, as opposed to 1. I imagine ya can't clock it as high with two sticks, or am I wrong and these bA64 systems are different?
I like running with a gig, but if it will severely put a damper on my overclock, I'd run w 512 KB.
Am I correct in assuming that two single sticks of 3500EB are the same as a "Dual Channel" kit?
listing:
OCZ4331024EBDCPE-K <<< 1 GB DC kit
OCZ433512EBPE <<< 1 single 512 KB stick
If singles will function just as well, I'd rather just get 2x a single stick.
As long as the performance is identical. Does anyone, here, know if it would be?
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some thoughts...
- This board is single channel, so any "optimizations" ( if, indeed there are any ) for dual channel, aren't necessary.
- Also, two single sticks are cheaper ( here ) than the DC kit.
- I can get one, now, and another later, so as to lessen my initial for outlay for A64 ( and the subsequent impact on my wallet ).
this thread ahs been completely jacked...
there are plenty of great threads about mem floating about, go check them out.
Here I'll save you the trouble.
EB is the best for a64.
1gb is better for games, 512mb is better for bench
1sided Dimms are better than 2
2dimms clock lower than 1.
BH-5 is still pretty darn good
be careful not to pump too much vdimm, it MIGHT be harming the a64 integrated mem controller. (see "EB is the best")
ok....now can we go back to talking about the DFI?
ex: what mods do you guys think you might be doing to your boards?
I'd like to do a VTT mod, as well as finding some way to eliminate the "uv" reactive nonsense on the board. Any ideas guys? like maybe liquid electrical tape?
I'm not lookin' to mod it at all. Why would you care about the UV stuff? It's not gonna affect how it performs. Personally, I don't care much what it looks like, but it's kinda cool for the folks who DO care. :shrug:
yellow UV mod is not any good for those who are into lightin things up...I AM into that stuff, I want my rig to look as good as it runs...
like 90% of pc's have a blue color scheme, why can't they do blue, or even red uV?. Personally my new case is going to have multiple themes of red, multiple of blue, and one of green, changeable via toggles, but the yellowwill have to persist among them all, and just does not look good.
I had an infinity - great looking board. I jsut don't get why there has to be a compromise between a board's performance and its appearance. While not nearly as bad as past lanpartys, this one still feels like it should have circus music playing as its theme music.
You mod it,, you voice your opinion about it, and the manufacturers WILL see and hear you, provided others think the same way. And I happen to knwo that I am not the only one who loves the performance of Lanparties, but doesn't like their near gaudiness.
I think red would be awesome...but you can get UV covers you know for the memory and PCI slots....
here...
http://svc.com/slotprotectors.html
SVC is awesome when it comes to alot of UV Lighting on things and I plan to make this DFI system look awesome as well as run great. I am with __TRONIK__ on making a system look as good as it runs. I see alot of these people that theirs looks like total :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: but it may run good and temps may be better. The color scheme I am using for mine is what I have now and it is blue. Although I am thinking of intergrating some red into the mix.
To let everyone know...I contacted DFI and the audio is 16-bit only. Which is still fine by me. I am not going to use my Sound Blaster ZS 2 once I get this board. The 7.1 it has is sufficent enough.
That god damn board needs to arrive soon:( For some reason my chipset is running 40C and I really don't know why...although it is lowering alittle right now.
Gameve is only 30 mins from me, so im guessing my board will arrive the following day its shipped. Possibly Fri?
Heehee, it won't take mine long to get here either. Seattle's just a hop, skip, & jump up the coast. :D I musta lost a few more marbles, cause I ordered up a X800 Pro too. Just gettin' too hard to wait on the PE I ordered. :rolleyes:
Looking forward to everyone's results with this DFI board :)
I am looking forward so much to this board. At my current state I can't even reach 225x10.0...and I did MemTest86 so it isn't my memory, the motherboard I have is just a piece of 'poo!'
Me too. Me too...
-jellysandwich
Curious to see if my 2800+ will perform any better with the DFI board vs. the 8KDA3J that I've got right now...
Why would you do that? Onboard audio can result in a 10% - 20% performance hit in games. If you already have an Audigy ZS, it seems silly to throw away the performance.Quote:
Originally posted by ugp
To let everyone know...I contacted DFI and the audio is 16-bit only. Which is still fine by me. I am not going to use my Sound Blaster ZS 2 once I get this board. The 7.1 it has is sufficent enough.
WEll that I didn't know...I figured the less sh*t installed the better. If in that case I will continue to use my SB then...
But SB really needs to fix there damn drivers.
In Doom 3 the sound likes to shut off and you have to restart the audio engine in console with Audigy cards. Everyone I know has that problem.
Ok anyway back to the DFI...I want it!!!!:smileysex I want to touch it and feel it....
10-20%? Bull :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: mate, not with modern processors.
ugp that happens to us nforce2 users too; dont think its limited to cards. To get the sound back on, just flick surround sound on/off.