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I have a 140mm fan question for you guys:
* Would you prefer a 140mm @ 1800RPM w/ PWM?
* or a 140mm @ 1500 RPM without PWM?
note: 1500 RPM w/ PWM can't be done at this time. :)
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Cobra> We've got something coming in soon that should please you.
I have a 140mm fan question for you guys:
* Would you prefer a 140mm @ 1800RPM w/ PWM?
* or a 140mm @ 1500 RPM without PWM?
note: 1500 RPM w/ PWM can't be done at this time. :)
1500 RPM is plenty for most people here I'd say as long as it has decent static pressure, which other 140mm fans seem to lack. As for PWM, I won't be buying any more fans again, unless they are PWM capable.
thank you :)
anyone else wants to give an opinion?
Same as above. If you guys have any PWM fans, I'll gladly pick up three for my system. My system uses PWM only so it can control them real-time. (It's a series of headaches and small victories, but I'm slowly beating it into submission.)
Hello Stephen,
Would you and Gabe mind voting in this poll on XS, please gents - same goes for the old hands and experienced watercooling boffins :)
Much obliged.
Probably the odd one out here but I wouldn't buy a 140mm fan that's over 1300 max rpm and that's already pushing it. My current 140mm fans run at 50% voltage and 600-700rpm constantly and I'd actually go for something that is <500rpm at 50% voltage, or there about. I'm considering replacing my current fans with a 800rpm at max voltage version. As for PWM, without, for me.
Most PWM fans can start up at a lower speed than you can by lowering the voltage of a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by ino
I would definitely prefer a 1500RPM version without RPM, since there are no good PWM fancontrollers out and a voltage controlled 1800RPM fan will spin very fast even at 5V.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
I would prefer a 1800 RPM fan w/ PWM myself.
I've got 12 of these going into a build next week, and I must say that at stock 1800 RPM they're quiet. Taking them down to 5v I can't even hear from a foot away. I wouldn't buy these if you're mounting them horizontally pulling air in though. I don't like how the fan blades sit on the motor. Very little pressure causes them to grind up against the housing in that configuration.
EDIT: Listened to them again, and there is some feint sound coming from the bearings at all speeds, but it's extremely hard to hear.
Hi, is anyone using the MCP35X2 with an MCP35X-Res ? Can you confirm or deny the statement that the MCP35X2 is too much pump for such a small res ?
The MCP35X-Res handles the MCP35X2 just fine :)
MCRESv2 FTW. Any newer versions of this res coming with any possible improvements?
I'm using the MCP35X-res with a MCP35X followed by the apogee drive II. Not quite the same but should be pretty similar from a flow/pressure standpoint. Anyway it works fine but if you are using the top port on the reservoir as the inlet as I am it helps to put a barb on the inside of the res with a couple inches of tubing on it. I saw this trick on another site, can't remember which, but it completely eliminated any vortex and the loop was bled in probably under ten minutes.
Nice, noticed swiftech's 690 block appearing separately at shops. But even more suprising seemed to me this evga classy/ftw x79 full cover kit. Interesting to see swiftech (hydro copper probably implies vendor? no mention of these @swiftech's homepage though) making motherboard blocks too.
I saw them say they were going to make some specific MB blocks back in January. The EVGA is the first one I have seen for sale. Looks good too.
with swiftechs agreement with evga will we not see blocks for other boards and no full cover nvidia blocks anymore?
Stephen, can you tell us about the new Swiftech 35B pump? Is it an mcp350 body with the 35x housing/top? If so, it would seems a way to get the mcp350 with a top already on and maintain warranty. Thanks. :)
musicfan: you guessed right. mcp35B = mcp350 (not pwm) with better top.
thank you churchyQuote:
Originally Posted by churchy
add: thank you too stephen
that is correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by musicfan
Great Fans for Radiators ! :up:
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So, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
When will the PWM Helixes be in?
not at the moment but if you've got any suggestion for improvements just let us know we really enjoy user feedback here at Swiftech!Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
shipment is scheduled for docking/customs this week. so they should be here fairly soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayin
ETA on the Maelstrom?
It took some additional delay due to a longer lead time on the LCD thermometer but it's going through final assembly in the next few days. We'll post an an update soon.
Thanks Stephen. Looking forward to the updates
hmm, installed the apogess drive 2 wb/pump combo and the backplate is taller than my mobo standoffs, squeezing pretty hard against the motherboard tray. Any suggestions? I had GTZ mounted before and the backplate was not as tall.
Oh, and I forgot to mention - the led on the top of the AD2 doesn't seem to be working, not lighting up at all. Well, at least the pump is functional lol :)
just email michelle for the non working LED we'll send you a new one, though it's interesting they're all 100% tested here in the US.
Regarding the back plate, what socket are we talking about? The product uses the same back plates as we've been using for years. how tall are your stand offs? some chassis are smaller than standard standoffs (They should be 1/4"). Have you checked if the screws that are hitting it or the actual back plate? for quicker support follow up feel free to call or email me directly (stephen at swiftech dot com or 310-763-0336)
Stephen
Hello Stephen, I do not believe the issue resides with the APD2 backplate, but rather with the motherboard standoffs. I had the same issue on my Prodigy case, had to modify the motherboard tray.Quote:
Regarding the back plate, what socket are we talking about? The product uses the same back plates as we've been using for years. how tall are your stand offs? some chassis are smaller than standard standoffs (They should be 1/4"). Have you checked if the screws that are hitting it or the actual back plate?
Might just be that some cases are using 1.5-2mm to short stand-offs?
MrBean, these are standard standoffs, came with HAF932, I doubt they are shorter than usual. Like I said I had GTZ with 1366 backpate w/o issues, but now switched to 1155 with AD2 - could that be a problem? Dunno. I wonder if I screwed up the installation but the AD2 seems to be solid in place. I'll try calling up Stephen tomorrow morning. Since the LED light is on the same cable as pump's power cable, I guess I'll have to replace the whole thing anyways.
Heya Anzial,
I know cases like Lian-Li have taller stand-offs, which normally would not cause any issues. In my new BF Prodigy, a setup I am putting together for the Wife, the stand-offs are about 5-6mm tall, and I had to cut out the motherboard tray to accommodate the back-plate of the APD2.
I guess this can be a problem in some cases (no pun intended), but I can not see to much of a solution where some mini-itx motherboards, due to various components on the back, would need a relatively high back-plate to clear some of them....
Did Bacata get any pump-less AD2s, i.e. should I even wait for European shops to get any? I'd email them but the last two times they didn't bother to reply, even though I wrote them in perfectly good French...
MrBean, well that's kinda weird - why would swiftech release a product compatible with non-standard tall standoffs to cater to a minority with miniATX mobos rather than what's common on the market? I mean - this is a product that should be compatible out of the box w/o the necessity to mod the case... It's not like a 140x3 rad that needs a lot of space, this is a waterblock for a fairly universal socket...
Hey nickel, your source to buy one is here ;)
http://www.highflow.nl/?subcats=Y&ty...roducts.search
the Socket 1366 and 1155 have totally different back plates.Quote:
Originally Posted by anzial
I've rechecked everything and the back plate CAD and actual parts are OK.
I found a possible problem with the screw it self that could be 1mm too long, but the back plate is within specifications: it is 6mm thick and the standard stand off are 1/4" tall or 6.35 mm.
Don't forget the pads on the back plate are compressible and it's normal that you feel some kind of compression when you are installing the motherboard.
Did you have you problem when securing the screws or with installing the back plate/motherboard on the tray?
That being said, it's less and less of a problem with typical full case chassis because most of them have an opening being the socket to help with cooling. On smaller form factors this opening isn't probably there and that must be why we are hearing about it, because like I said both screw and 1155 back plate haven't been revised for about 3 years now :D
I will adjust the screw specification for future production and order some for replacement for those of you with small form factor chassis and with an interference!
Anzial, please call me today so we can send you the replacement parts you need.
Thanks, but I know them of course ;) and checked them already. Unfortunately, they do not sell the block without the MCP35X, and with the pump it's not exactly cheap (absolutely, if you need the pump it's a good deal!). Bacata also only lists the versions with the pump on their site. If they don't even sell it I don't need to bother emailing all kinds of dealers whether they can get one pump-less for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
let me find out for you if Bacata has ordered the bare (no pump) version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
They've ordered it slightly later than their original order with complete APD2. It was shipped last week so it shouldn't take too long to get thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Nickel020
Thank you :)
Thank you Stephen, yes, it turns out that the screws are really sticking out from the backplate, causing the mobo tray to bow. So now I'm arranging an exchange, luckily I live close by and can drop by to do it :) Thanks for the awesome tech support and quick response!
No problem, be sure you give Michelle a call tomorrow before stopping by to make sure the replacement APD2 is ready.
OK, my bad, the AD2's LED is fine. It didn't work during leak test when only the molex was powered but now, with full system on and PWM cable plugged in, LED works just fine. Still need shorter screws though, darn mobo tray is bowing :)
Good news, thanks for the update. Just let me know if you want the screws shipped or if you still plan on picking them up.
Stephen
Thanks Stephen, I shot you an email. I gotta applaud Swiftech:clap: for such swift tech support, both here at the forum and through email/phone :D
Now why don't you back the screws out by that tiny amount? Will make no appreciable difference to your mounting pressure.Quote:
Still need shorter screws though, darn mobo tray is bowing
Stephen - I got my ADP2 in today, the one without the pump, and I noticed the "Inlet" actually pushes water across the base and then up into the pump. This is opposite to how most blocks work where they shoot the water across the top of the pins and then across the base. If I remember correctly your testing showed it was basically the same performance as a regular HD, so my question is, isn't this opposite of what we have learned about blocks in the past? Don't blocks perform better when the water is pushed across the top first? The way I see it, either this is incorrect or you guys figured out a way to get the same performance doing opposite of what every other block out there does, including your own. Curious as to what your thought are on this.
Having the water "hitting" the hotter (or important areas) first is only very true for impingement flows. We (swiftech) haven't made a true impingement waterblock since Storm.
In a lot of ways the Apogee Drive II is pretty much an Apogee XT flowing backward. For those of you who had tried it (Apogee XT backward) you probably realized there wasn't much of a difference. :)
so if the Apogee XT wasn't an impingement block then what was it? just a micro channel block with a centrifugal flow direction. Like I said in another post, the APD2 has centripetal flow direction instead which makes the APD2 just another micro channel block.
The reason why we did this is practical: it allowed me to design it with a single housing compared to the Apogee Drive I which had 2 housings: one was used to direct the flow across the whole base plate and the other was used to collect the fluid out of the base plate into the pump inlet.
the APD2 bowed base has also received quite a bit of work compared to previous blocks and allows to perform better on a wider range of CPUs.
Hope that helps
Stephen
No need to mess with the mount since shorter screws are on the way... so yeah, thanks for suggestion but I'll pass :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MrBean
Ah, no worries, enjoy the drive, it is a nice bit of kit - running real happy and content in the Wife's system :)
I like mine enough to get a second one for a project I got tapped to do. Do you guys still have 775 backplates?
I understand you can't be specific, but is the date they go on sale no longer July?Quote:
Originally Posted by stephenswiftech
they should get here this week or early next week, then it's a matter of press releases/web pages/distribution channels. So we are still looking at July :)
Well I'll just buy straight from you guys so I don't have to wait on it getting to retailers. Thanks for the update!
Just thought I'd drop in and say hi and thanks again for the review sample - testing the apogee HD right now, 6th block on the test rig, although 2 need retesting due to suspect data. Only 11 more to go!
BTW the PWM fans you mentioned - will you be doing any 140mm fans? What I'd really like also is a fan that turns off at 20% PWM such that only the pump is (barely) running when there is no load. I already have a mora 3 140.9 on my workstation so it can run passively unless you're really thrashing the cpu.
The MCP35X2 is really making me love PWM!
Awesome Apogee Drive II in Action ! :)
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So is Swiftech putting out a new bracket for the MCW82 to fit the GTX680 along with a new heat sink? The G200 seems to be slightly off and doesn't seem to fit quite right unless you leave the mounting screws loose.
Enjoying the MCW82-7900.
I have a question about it. Can I order an adapter kit to convert it to a flat surface for an NVIDIA video card?
Ok, so i messed around with my GTX680 and the MCW82 and the holes do align, but the black standoffs are to long. This was easily fixed by cutting them shorter. Temps went from low to mid 70's to 40-44c under water. Not too bad.
Not bad at all. Is that under load?Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
Love the Drive .. and the Lok-Seal fittings ;-) Really nice build Andy!
Yes, idle temps are low 30's. What was really interesting was that I was having issues overclocking the GTX680 on the air cooler, but now that it's under water I can push the card around 1289+ on the core and 3200 on the memory. I would really like either a full cover block or a Swiftech heat sink, but this would mainly be for looks since I am already getting great results.Quote:
Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth
Niiice.
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Originally Posted by SonDa5
Bump for my question.
Why don't you email Swiftech or open a ticket to ask directly?:confused: Do you have a old or new GPU?:confused: No mention of what GPU, they change all the time. Do you know that spacing for CPU and GPU screw holes are different?
What you aked has no specifics and we can't help you AT ALL. :shrug:
So your bump helped, you now know what you need to do.
Yes sure, we don't have a part number on the website but we can help you with it, just email us when you'll need the base plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonDa5
Cheers,
Stephen
I want to get some LOK Seal fittings soon.
Question for Swiftech:
Do you think any of Swiftech's full VGA heatsinks might match a 8800 GTX? I don't mind modding it a bit.
I'd rather use one of those than individual heatsinks.
I doubt it, the layout is very different. Plus the 8800GTX is an older model and it may not even be a reference design.
If you have the stock cooler for the 8800, I would try and mod that instead. Remove the copper insert to clear the MCW82, and use a fan to blow on the aluminum sink that takes care of the memory/mosfet.
I no longer have the stock cooler, the card has an Arctic Cooling aftermarket cooler. I think I'll just use it as it is until I can think of a better solution.
Thank for your answer Stephen :)
And again i find out about new but very interesting swiftech products from the shops. :/
There was MCP35X .. and tadaa - PWM D5! It's not as revolutionary as 35X was back then and it's launch might be a bit prespoiled by AC's D5 USB, in some ways imho more advanced, but i'm somewhat expecting Swiftech one winning with cheaper price between those two.
Set it and forget it!
Hi.
How important for MCP35X2 pump the MCP35X2 Heat Sink? If i use Maelstrom 5 1/4" Dual Bay Reservoir with pre-installed dual or single PWM controlled MCP35X pumps, I will need a heatsink?
Hey there
the optional heatsink will help dumping some of the heat coming from the pump but it is not required.
If you choose to use it with Maelstrom though, note that it will make a third 5-1/4" bay unusable for a drive.
Fans looking slim along with the compressions, not so much digging the cpu block though, really unaesthetic imo! , Any tests been done with the fans compared to the typhoons?
well 2012 were very interesting. a lot of new candy from Swiftech.
what about 2013?
I miss shiny chrome of Apogee as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny87au
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Just ordered my Maelstrom dual pump kit, can't wait to get it :D
Purchased a 7970 Komodo, Apogee Drive II, and compression fittings. Last bits should arrive tomorrow and hopefully get me started on my first loop. I m integrating the whole system into a large L-shaped desk that I have for the time being. Ill probably build a new desk in the near future and make it around the PC. Pics soon.