I wasnt overclocking it, it broke because of mobo, thats all im going to say. And i better not to say more about BD.
Because what i have said in this post is in boundaries of NDA, may or may not be against it.
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I wasnt overclocking it, it broke because of mobo, thats all im going to say. And i better not to say more about BD.
Because what i have said in this post is in boundaries of NDA, may or may not be against it.
So you do know what the NDA is. It's at least good to know that they are out in the wild.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
P.S.: I ask again, when is Interlagos coming?
JF said before some month s ago, Interlagos is Q3 product. So...
Youre implying that youve made some screens before, but the other screens were made by some chinese guy :shrug: .You have any link for your screens ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
As for the NDA, well ,if you wanna help community out, just register somewhere anonymously and do a cinebench score on a non crippled sample and post it :) .
No links to pics since i dont upload them till NDA lifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRL8
And when the NDA lifts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
Tha NDA is under NDA I guess, youre not going to find out that easily. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by XRL8
Well you blew it :p: ,he may have written the date in a quick reaction type o thing ;) .Oh well, was worth a try.Hope someone shares some results before the launch tho.The wait is killing me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadov
Im shure you begin to see benches of non-crippled BD's 1-2 weeks before NDA lifts from many sources.
Date is in NDA but its under NDA and that is under NDA and.. well you get the picture.
Im not quick reaction type of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRL8
1: There are various levels of NDA. From several people I've spoken to who have signed NDAs with AMD in the past he's within the boundries.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
2: Not true if they're anything like Intel. Intel just said they wanted it back, not that it had to work :D
most NDAs just state that the date of the NDA lift is: TBDQuote:
Originally Posted by XRL8
Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
1. i know that there are various lvls, but if u get a BD sample they are mostly the same.
2. yes, they always want it back. but destroying a fully working sample doent go away too easy. there normally a form to fill out.
1. I did read trough the NDA i have signed and i havent yet broken the NDA but its close.
2. It was mobo that broke the chip, no overclocking what so ever. Sended the mobo back to... well cannot yet tell it, thats under NDA also.
3. No important information told in this thread to public.
4. I "might" have another BD and mobo here :).
@ rintamarotta
Could you say what you do, that you got to sign an NDA with AMD?
Partly because of friends at very high in AMD leadership and partly because what i have done behind the scenes.
Lucky you, I have a friend who's very high profile on an international level and he hasn't been able to get any info, let alone a chip :/
I remember a pic signed with your name being showed a few months ago. All info was being "blue'ed out", except the clocks, which was 3.8GHz. Not you? Fake?Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
That was me, but I never made any claims as to what it was;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthShader
I can make bar graphs that say anything I want too. Any background to this, at all? Without more info, pic is useless :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
hm, then i shall add "bragging" to the not-to-do-list next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
What, like this? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/Oj10101/bd.png
Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
In other words, without a verified source it's pointless ;)
[XC] Oj101: lol, this graph is very realistic :D, 50 000 CPU score, 980x is little baby :D. Maybe B1 revision will be improve up to 100 000 CPU score in Vantage :D
Oh. Well played then. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Why ? He maybe bragged a little bit but at least he described the performance "somehow", he said AMD dont have anything to be worried about.That at least confirmes its better than PHII.It wasnt just a "boo hoo i have one and you dont!" ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
no, i ment adding it to the NDA agreement cause he thinks hes not breaking it.
Company releases benchmarks several months ahead of product being available.Quote:
Originally Posted by G3XC
Please google "osborne"
ITYANRIC (I think you are not remembering it correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbortRetryFail?
It was not a single cherrypicked benchmark. The statement was a server statement, not a desktop statement. At launch there were several benchmarks that were 40%+ greater for Barcelona.
The second half of your statement is correct. The interwebs grabbed that statement and made it a generic barcelona vs. Intel statement just as I have seen people misusing the "50% greater throughput" statement about Interlagos.
NDA made peep feels like a VIP. Lol
Just wait for retail chip...Its probly better overclock as well:D
zambezi result taken from hereQuote:
Originally Posted by MAS
It's old rumor from rumorpedia.Dated back from February.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
AMD 900-Series Bulldozer Chipsets to Launch at Computex 2011
Quote:
At this year's Computex expo, that is scheduled to take place between May 31 and June 4 in Taipei, Taiwan, motherboard makers will introduce their first AM3+ Bulldozer solutions based on the 900-series chipset logic developed by AMD.
According to sources form Taiwanese motherboard makers, AMD hasn't established an official launch date for Bulldozer, but allowed them to display their solution based on the 900-series chipset at the Computex fair.
“There are no exact embargo dates at the moment but the latest information from AMD is that we are allowed to launch at Computex,” said a source close to the industry that was quoted by the Sweclockers publication.
The 900-series will include three new motherboard chipsets, dubbed 990FX, 990X, and 970 and all of these support AM3+ processors as well as Nvidia's SLI technology.
The main difference between the three chipsets is the amount of PCI Express lanes available as the 990FX features 40 such lanes that can be routed to run two PCI Express x16 slots or four PCIe x8 slots, while the 990X packs just a pair of PCIe x8 slots.
The 990FX is compatible with two-way (2 x16) and three-way (3 x8) SLI setups.
All of the 900-series motherboard chipsets feature SATA 6Gbps with TRIM support, RAID 0/1/10/5, IOMMU I/O virtualization, as well as USB 3.0 support (via third party controllers).
The 900-series motherboards are also compatible with older AM3 processors.
All the reports that have been arriving until now stated that Bulldozer is scheduled for an early June release, so AMD could be considering a Computex launch for the Zambezi FX desktop chips.
AMD will initially launch four Zambezi FX CPUs, two featuring an eight-core design, while the other two will packs six and four processing cores respectively and additional chips are expected in the October-November timeframe
According to this rumor, the 3.5Ghz bulldozer is a Quad-Core Zambezi, then it is way too optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAS
Based on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by undone
Reading the article i dont see it mentioning quadcore anywhere, besides lotsa people are going to made this mistake of module/core for some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
Article actually mentions it's supposedly a quad core 3.5Ghz Zambezi(read the first sentence of the article).Sorry but there is no way a quad core Zambezi can score 27K in vantage CPU test.On the other hand,an 8 core Zambezi with Turbo @ 4.2Ghz can score around 32K. That's close to the score of Westmere 6C or SB-E 6C.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
I guess they mixed up the quad-module & quad-core.Quote:
We have just received a photo of what sender claims to be an engineering sample of AMD Bulldozer (Zambezi) Quad Core processor benchmark score table.
Based on what? I dont say it can, but i wonder how anyone knows it cant.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Have this already been posted? If yes then please ignore me.:D
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7...ldozerleak.jpg
Because it would need to have around 2.23x fp throughput per core and per clock Vs Deneb to do so.Which won't happen. In numbers ,Deneb QC @ 3Ghz scores 10.4K ,so it would take 2.23x the throughput of Deneb to score 23K with QC Zambezi @ 3Ghz and another ~16% clock speed to get to 27K.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechanical Man
Although Zambezi's fmacs are really powerful ,they are not more than 2x faster than one family 10h core in SSE(comparing one 128bit fmac with one Deneb core). Looking at AMD's own projections for spec fp rate and then looking at leaked donanimhaber slide with C11.5 score,we see a curious matching of performance increase in fp workload,of around 1.88x .This is the combined effect of 33% more cores,more fp execution resources and more clockspeed.Translated into IPC terms,around 1.3x or 30% improvement fmac vs core at similar clock. Note that this may vary a lot since we have no idea in which specific cases fmacs can excel and in which they may have lower throughput.
edit:
@undone
Nope it hasn't been posted and thanks! Looks nice :). All the ISA extensions crammed into Orochi design need a wider CPUz window in order to be displayed properly :D.
Can you tell us from where did you get this image?
Well yes youre right, im tired and missed it somewhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Its still possible them or sender mixed up quad core/module thing.
As to the shot above, no it hasnt been posted here yet, but it doesnt bring anything to the table.
http://translate.google.com/translat...%2Findex6.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by informal
On the Zambezi thread by 2good4you ;)
Thanks :).Maybe first post in this thread can be updated too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by undone
:D I'm a very happy man as of this moment... :D
I know it could be interpreted in so many WRONG ways, but i couldn't care less
Im surprised greenzilla have not make an article about it yet... this processor should be really good :D
It would be awesome if its at stock settings and cpu-z got all values rightQuote:
Originally Posted by tifosi
I like the backround in that leak...
Fits my taste
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2...reatiruby2.jpg
Think, its fake?...L1 Data is right 4-way, not?
is there a larger image of that pic BeepBeep? 1920 maybe? Nice background..
The specification bar looks MUCH better now :yepp: If that's true I'm absolutely loving the stock voltage :D
With or without the logos, and or the new ATI logo? That one is really old.Quote:
Originally Posted by LightSpeed
Yes, fake. Plus there have been already better leaked screenshots with the correct data, e.g. here:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1657459-1-1.html
Any would do :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
Yeah I figured its old since theres an ati logo. must be from the 58xx gen? nm that tho, any of them would do tbh, the more recent it is the better :)
CPU-Z does not probe or read cache associativity so it could be a flaw in the software.
You should read the threads with more attention ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Opteron146
We can be sure it's a fake, fakers like take a pictures most of the time, and the number of cpuz was hidden,
how much this is stupid for a fake ...
How are you so sure other that just being your opinion without facts? ... just because "fakers do like this and that... " ... that's not an argument ...
Until proofs that's a valid screen ( the one showing 1.168 vcore ) ...
Well... but to say the truth ... it's not that interesting at all...
"woah... cpuz :P cool ... ok ... looked at it for 10 seconds it's enough ... nothing more? meh ... boring ... "
AaH-WLFtPoaFPSR (As a Half-Wit Logic Follows the Probability of a Fifty Percent Success Rate)Quote:
Originally Posted by JF-AMD
and
ISBNttGfAMDwUVOBatGwNY (It Should Be Noted that the Gentleman from AMD was Unfairly Vilified Over Barcelona, and that Gentleman was Not You)
AbortRetryFail?
Fail
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by AbortRetryFail?
Not long to go guys - 14th June ;)
http://www.techpowerup.com/145122/AM...-Detailed.html
now wheres all the leaked benchies we were promised last week? :yepp:
I have younger brothers (twins) who were born on 14th of June... Well i'm getting what is nothing short of a very generous present on their birthday :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by zoomee
I think i will be buying Bulldozer but i will w8 to see how batches work ... i don't want to sell my i7 920 3849A ... so i will be getting parts as i see they are worth ( motherboard & memory ) ...
How does AMD work, first batches are good or, usually, they get better during time? Intel did a great set of batches with the 38**A series ... the later batches are far from spectacular ... so i don't know what to do ... if to buy the cpu from the first batches to come up or just w8 ... ( i'm buying the chip... even if it sucks ... but this new cpu marks a new architecture so i would like to have it :P )
It's pretty much guaranteed there will be improvement in future steppings, from either manufacturer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Postmodum
AMD has a history of steady improvements over a period time, the best steppings always come later.
I think we should all wait until AMD either release official preview scores on benchmarks we all know and trust, or just wait for the real reviews.
One thing is already certain and that is I think a lot of AMD fans need to manage their expectations and be more realistic. AMD is not a charity and will not price a SKT-2011 killer CPU at ~2600K (or less) prices. That is just not going to happen.
The days of NetBurst (which to be fair, was not bad for Video encoding and a few business applications), are well and truly over.
BD is going to be a very good and highly successful productline for AMD , but it is not the GodsmackEpicWTFBBQEPICWIN of CPU's most are making it out to be.
John
and if it was that awesome, most of us couldnt afford it
what we know is that IF its around the perf of a 2600k, then it WOULD be priced around that aswell.
Absolutely :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
HehQuote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
i like his other quote in there
"Want a processor with 5GHz and 16 cores? Probably possible."
hes saying that the 16 core server version can go up to 5ghz if you can cool it (or im just not reading it right and totally delusional, lol)
Nope, he's being theoretical there, it doesn't have anything to do with BD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
Your post has some value. But the corollary is also true:Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
Another thing is already certain and that is that a lot of Intel fans need to manage their expectations and be more realistic; and they need to stop posting completely unsupported opinions about how BD will compare to the SB or some newer chip that hasn't been released yet. (Most especially in a post about BD.)
The thing is, BD will make AMD retake the performance crown for the first time after Intel's reign of 4-5 years until SB-E comes in Q4.
I believe this is why a lot of people are over-exited.
It will?! what do you know that we don't hum? :)
I think all this is pure fanboys vs fanboys stuff ... it's no "expectation management" issues :)
Thanks man! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by highoctane
... i really think that 970, 980x and 990x are over-priced by a BIG margin ( you pay an high price for elitist products :P ) ... so i really believe that AMD will have the budget in mind and still deliver a good product ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
i like to plan ahead and buy mainstream, so for me its going to come down to what can 200$ do with either brand (after a typical OC). so im betting that it will be a battle of 2500k vs either the 4 core black edition BD or 6 core low speed BD for my purchase choice.
If this is true, u should dump every dime u have into AMDs stock. Cause it will double or triple from here by the end of the year if thats correct.
Personally, i dont think theres anyway thats true.
RussC
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aten-Ra
Someone earlier said, that if AMD manages to build a chip which will be competetive with intel, theyre gonna price it sky high also.
Of course thats true.Remember Athlon FX ?.
BUT, and thats a big but ( ;- ) , because AMD cant afford to maintain multiple sockets with multiple specific chip dies, theyre forced to sell essentially the same silicon at lower price points also.
In the FX days, you could get 200-300$ chip that was essentially the same minus some binning and multi unlock.
On the intel side of thing ATM, things arent so rosy, SB is bclk locked, SBE we dont know yet, and its going to cost 500 and up for 6 core models.
So while yes ,highest end chips will be priced accordingly.The platform will be cheaper, and MOST PROBABLY, you will be able to buy same chip for much much less (look at it the way it was in the bloomfield days but withouth high x58 cost)
I think the a 2600k is well within reach of the 8 core Bulldozer, especially if you consider multitasking and multithreated apps.
If Bulldozer beats the 2600k by just 5pct, it still loses to 980x. And that's decent but no a spectacular achievement.
I expect BD to fall between 980x and 2600k and I don't think that is overhyping for an 8 core 3.4 ghz chip.
From Donanimhaber
http://translate.google.it/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8
http://img.donanimhaber.com//images/...6a_dh_fx57.jpg
Amd FX 8 core in line with i7 2600k in PCmark Vantage?
And Amd FX 8110/8130p (200-220$ ?) + HD6670 (100$) = i7 2600K (317$)?
Interesting. I really hope so.
How is PCmark Vantage good to measure the pure CPU computing power?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
Not so good, imho, but better than Superpi :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
http://www.tomshw.it/files/2011/03/i.../30082/5-1.png
How is a 980BE scoring almost 4500 points higher than the 970BE? lol
Ahahahha... well, now we'll start seing the "excitement" of many fanboy's dropping ... It's the natural flow of things :) "Excitement about the unknown" and then ... " oh ... yeah ... it's good but i thought it would be 2x better! " :P
But my guess is that these chips will be aggressively priced and overclock potential will be really good :) So it's still a great chip... and it will be a good chip for benching :P
Although, that "Vantage results" ... don't say anything to me ... they're using a a Radeon while the SB is a...integrated intel ? :x meh ... no wonder the vantage run sucks ... what kind of comparison ... only if they get insane and that graph shows a "value" overview... and that would be mind blowing meaning that the BD would have a really aggressive pricing ...
If they go that route, they will get the attention of a GREAT percentage of gamers ... and clockers, if the chip ends in being fun to clock :P
At least my attention they will get ... :)
But then again ... guys... this is relative performance... :)
AMD A6 APU pcmark v 100%
AMD FX 8 Core ~165-170%
single core performance A6 APU =16,66%
'' '' '' FX 8 Core =20,63%
bulldozer has %24 Higher IPC ? ofc we don't know any clock speeds but it's fun :D
Waiting for more results, but, if true, BD doesn't seem to be the monster many fans are awaiting :(
Hope that's not true :(
Pcmark Vantage it seems that the number of cores doesn't matter much:
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...ge/chart15.jpg
So BD slightly edging out a 2600k sounds good.
No it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantsu
Actually, in Pcmark Vantage 2600K is the top performing intel CPU(for some reason),beating even Westmere 6C.This tells me that most of the sub-tests are not fully multithreaded and Vantage prefers faster CPUs(both IPC and clock) over the ones with more slower cores.If FX manages to be in front of 2600K then it's not a bad result at all.
edit: damn,AKM you beat me to it:D
This also reminds me of this slide:
http://www.dvhardware.net/news/2011/...e_slide_dh.jpg
PCMark TV and movies subtest was listed in above slide,showing around 15% higher score for Zambezi than 950 i7. 950 i7 is around 4% faster than 870 i7 in the table AKM linked in his post(around 7400pts for 950 i7-total score). 15% on top of this is 8500pts or ~7% above 2600K,which fits with the newest PCmark vantage slide from donanimhaber.
Sounds good, but we still have one more month to go, and then we'll hopefully get some actual results.
Perhaps better clock and/or Turbo with only 4 core used.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKM
Yeah, so it seems indeed. Still, Intel has yet to bring out SB-E, so I'd hope Bulldozer would be able to compete against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
this thread is about to go into hyperdrive again, lol
:p:
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by richierich
I just ask for a Cinebench 11.5, stock clock, and overclocked to 4.5-5.0 GHz :D:D
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/p...pcmark_vantageQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
seems 8core BD on par with 6core westmare
we will see :)
a little above westmere if the graph is true ...
If westmere gets less marks than the 2600k and the BD, on that graph, marks a little more than 2600k ... then ... we can expect a little better performance...
But again ... ehehehe ... speculation rules :)
I sure hope that slides are fake... espeical with the prices you listed... The 2600k is already down to 240€ (incl 20% vat), I don't want to see amd locked again in the sub 250€ segment with there top cpus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh
people are crowing on about SB-E but to me the 2600k is like the I5 870 :p: . same performance as the low end SB-E just without as many Pic-e lanes and lower channel memory.
so its likely that SB-E will win in absolute performance but most power uses would buy the 2600k/lower SB-E and if bulldozer can compete in that space and overclock well then AMD will be in a much better position then right now.
the high spec of the bulldozer chipset ( 2X 16) might help push it over the edge on the 2600k vs bulldozer, black edition wouldn't hurt either.
peope seem to forget amd has like 10% of the fab capacity of intel and there are much higher margins in the server space, gaining market share there will do AMD much better then gaining consumer space.
itsmydamnation,
Top line FX's will be unlocked ;)
so far from the little available info and the logical assumptions based on it it seems that the deciding factor for power users will be Zambezi's OC ability since no big difference in performance with the 2600 is to be expected:confused:
Finally someone got to the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by AKM