http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=342
Ah well. As theres been very little mention of 1.61 no harm reminding Extreme4 owners its around. I might give it a whirl but if my LED options are gone with it its instantly a dud in my book.
Those are still included so no worries.
Thanks, I'll give it a flash now :up:
ED - Just checked for driver updates and intel have a new chipset driver available 9.2.0.1025. Most likely only very minor updates to the link on the first page so I haven't bothered updating the link.
Just flashed from 1.6A to 1.61 and for those curious I can confirm LED options are still there, as is the 1.7v CPU limit all with the added bonus of no serious UEFI bugs remaining, if any :up: Strongly recommended Extreme4 owners flash to 1.61 and soak up all the goodness it brings.
Anyone know which bios extreme4 B3 boards ships with are the bios' talked about here compatible?
B3 boards seem to ship with UEFI 1.5 (crap) and yes.
Any one seen B3 Extreme4 on newegg yet? Or they are selling like hotcakes? Want to exchange mine...
The Egg has had some Extreme6 boards, but sold out. I'm down to the MSI GD65, the Ex 4 or Ex 6. The MSI board has me worried because of the cpu voltage phase control they put into, then took out of their software. I'd hate to fry a board / cpu because of some crap software setting that got miss set.Quote:
Originally Posted by F@32
Extreme4/6 all the way. Their absolute stormers. Personally, I'd pick the Extreme4 just because the UEFI for it is more mature where I helped Asrock identify all the bugs.
Ket, that's what I'm seeing. It's great that you have a direct line to Asrock BIOS engineers. I also like the front usb 3 tray. Puts the ports where they can be used best. Only problem with the E4 boards, you can't find them! :shrug:
Its early days still, give it a week or so and there should be Extreme4s floating around. Pretty much all manufacturers are short on supply atm.
Mine came with 1.60Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
So did mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Leary
Good on Asrock. UEFI 1.5 sucked major balls. No need to update UEFI straight away as 1.6 is pretty good. 1.61 for me though. If it ain't broke.. fix it anyway :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Leary
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has an update on the sleep issue with this motherboard. I still am finding any multi above X48 cases a black screen after coming out of sleep mode. Could it be possible that this issue is fixed in the new revision boards?
L1.60C for Extreme4.
:shrug:Quote:
Modify some monitor can not adjust UEFI BIOS.
BTW AsRock support from Holland (thans again Ket :up:) send me yesterday a new beta BIOS (1.60D) and finally my CM Inferno is moving in UEFI BIOS but unfortunately double-POST is back and I have some trouble with USB external drive (stuck at boot with code b4 on Dr.Debug).
So back to 1.61 and everything is fine again (of course without my mouse moving in UEFI interface).
They should use 1.61 as base for further improvements ;)
Anyone else having problems with using offset voltage above ~0.120?
Setting offset any higher doesn't do anything for me :\
Maybe you will need higher LLC.
Higher LLC does get me higher voltages, yes - but why does ASrock implement offset voltage options up to +0.500v if I can use 0.120 max?
It's another good question for their support.
@Ket
I think another list of bugs and wishes is needed :]
Everybody who is having problems with their Extreme4 can you flash to UEFI 1.61, then if your problem isn't resolved send me a PM and I will begin to build a new bugs list. Include as much detail as possible about the problem(s) you are having.
Following these steps will help ensure a "clean" flash.
- Load UEFI defaults, save & exit.
- Update to UEFI 1.61
- Load UEFI defaults, save & exit.
I'm already on 1.61 flashed with default values set :)
I will evaluate the problem a little bit more and inform you afterwards..
I'm currently unable to get my ststem to POST with my raid card installed. Removing the card will allow the system to post, but the card tests fine in my old board.
I've tried the card in both the second PCIE 8x slot and the PCIE 4X slot and others seem to have come across the same/similar problem. See:
http://forums.tweaktown.com/asrock/4...ec-5405-a.html
Does any one here have any suggestions that I could try to get my system to post with the card, or is this a case of needing to wait till AsRock/Adaptec put out a new BIOS?
Card Adaptec 5085
Mother board Asrock P67 Extreme
Debug Code: 0D
BIOS's tested 1.60 and 1.61
I would get in touch with Adaptec, they may already have a fix for your problem.
Looks like Asrock has posted a new beta BIOS.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/beta.asp?Model=P67%20Extreme4
I have a question regarding the E6 & the E4 boards. Looking at the official BIOS download page, are the bugs that are fixed for one board included in the BIOS update for the other board?
Aside from layout & the inclusion of 2 more SATA 3 ports, both boards seem very similar. Both boards seem to have BIOS updates that seem parallel. Can anyone answer this?
Thanks.
Extreme6 doesn't have a UEFI thats as bug-free as the Extreme4 has at present, but theres nothing which should cause any problems.
Extreme 4 purchased :) Just need to wait for my 2600k to arrive and EK Supreme HF block. Hope this board is as good as your making out Ket :) Never had an ASRock before, always thought they were sub standard boards.
On a side note I've been having issues with my 2x 5870's not being fully utilised with my current Q9550 @ 4.4ghz. I'm really hoping its down to this.
@Ket
There is a problem with AXTU software. When you are running for e.g. Prime95 Blend and then you go to IES tab in AXTU, vCore droops down by approximately 0,03V causing BSOD if it's to much for CPU to keep it stable.
There's a bug in the LLC where it limits the voltage on my board depending on what level I have it set at. If set to auto or level 5 I'm limited to 1.392v no matter what is set in the UEFI. I have seen the same behavior on 1.50 - 1.61, didn't test it on the 1.42a.
Other people reported same "problem".
Software bugs: Send in the details to Asrock, I just gave them a hand in fixing UEFI bugs.
LLC thing: Not sure what could be causing that but it doesn't really sound like a bug. When OCing always set LLC to level 2 and go from there (level 1 tends to be too aggressive)
Lvl2 is not really do able i don't think, voltage is waaay too high under load or to low for stability at idle.
My point is that llc should not limit voltage set in bios but help with vdrop under load or at least that's how i thout it was supposed to work?
Something is off in your system then. If I set 1.36v with LLC lvl2 I get 1.36v @ idle and 1.35v with all 4 cores loaded 100%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysterfix
I'm using offset voltage not fixed. When using offset the voltage at idle fluctuates a lot and llc acts very different than in fixed mode. If I set lvl4 llc and offset @ .140 that gives me about 1.440v in bios but when I boot into windows idle voltage can range from 1.12v to 1.35v. Under load my voltage will not go above 1.416v using lvl4 llc no matter what is set in the bios. At lvl 5 that limit is 1.392v, the lower your starting offset voltage the lower your idle voltage is. I have found that I need to stay above .110v offset for stability during low power situations like web surfing. Any lower offset @ 50x multi results in bsod during low power situations. The problem is the LLC bug makes it impossible to dial in the voltage using the offset function.
I haven't really played with offset voltage. I prefer the set it and forget it approach. Its not as though 1.36v vs 0.9v or so is going to really add anything to the leccy bill :p:
Just a question for you guys:
What ram slots do you use when using 2 memory modules?
I placed them in white slots (A2 and B2) using the same logic that applied to P55 motherboards (when using only 2 dimms, they should be placed at 2nd and 4th slot)
I saw that his also applies to Asus P67 boards. I haven't found anything for Asrock P67 motherboards, not even in users manual.
I started off using the blue slots, but found my ram wouldn't run at the rated speeds (2133 mhz) stable, when the cpu was overclocked. I moved them over to the white slots, and no problems now. Not sure if this answers your question though.
Thanks for the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mean6
You said you moved them from blue to blue slots. I assume you ment from blue to white?
Looks like it is same as on Asus boards, you can use 1st and 3rd slot, but they recommend using 2nd and 4th slot. Probably same applies to Asrock.
Anybody knows for sure?
yes, that's what I meant. Edited post.
Hi guys
Other proud Asrock P67 Extreme 4 owner here, I got the B3 version and it came with the UEFI 1.60, it feels pretty solid so far.
I have paired it with a i5 2500K and some 2x2 G.Skills RipjawsX 2133C9, yeah, I know, memory speed doesn´t mean that much but it feels good have the possibility to run 2133 even though I probably going to run 1600C7 most of the time.
I will say thanks to you guys in this thread and specially to you Ket, it was you guys who made me choose Asrock this time, it feels like it doesn´t have as much problem as the rest of the P67 boards.
@CikaNovo
According to the manual one can use either the blue or white.
I can run my RipjawsX at 2133 in either of them without problem.
max vcore whit bios 1.6 to extreme6 ?
I've only tried white slots so far, but i'll give blue slots a try to see if it gives any improvement overclocking wise (but i highly doubt it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostleader
even though i use the p67 fatality, except from annoying uefi background image (i hope there will be some editor tool which can remove/replace with whatever user want), all these 3 asrock mobos(extreme4/6, fatal1ty, are quite similar ;)), differentiate only in add-on chipsets and a bit weaker vrm department in exteme4 (8+2 vs 16+2), so i suspect all 3 suffer the same bugs.. whenever someone points out some bugs, they fix for all of boards, as its likely all will be affected.. ;). I gathered all the bug list reported in this thread and report the behavior with 1.70 bios
- Pressing [Del] key to enter UEFI setup does not consistently work seem to work ok most of the time
- Saved profiles are not preserved when battery / power cord is removed work OK
- Devices connected to SATA3_M1 & SATA3_M2 ports do not show up in UEFI setup not much of a bug i think, as already stated, just needs enabling bootable
- ODT WR / NOM (channel A&B) do not show current parameters in UEFI Exists in Fatal1ty also, cosmetic bug i think
- Connecting a device to rear USB3.0 ports causes a prompt BSOD (BSOD squarely points at Etrontech driver, tried both 0.89 and 0.91 drivers) work OK at least with 0.96 drivers, possibly was a driver fix
- Full screen logo [Disabled] option is not saved into profiles still there, cosmetic i think
- Using Clear CMOS button results in all saved profiles being wiped! work OK
- Adjusting BCLK frequency results in the board failing to POST work ok (only >105 start problems, not to blame the bios.. ;))
- Disabling Spread Spectrum results in the board failing to POST work OK
in addition to not save in profiles the "Full screen logo [Disabled] option", i found 2 more menus which are not saved in profiles in Fatal1ty(you should check if extreme4/6 has the same "bug")
1) Super I/O config (i always disable all 3, and always find them reset when load profile from a <load UEFI defaults> state
2) Advanced USB Config (i enable USB3 legacy, and always find it reset to disabled when load profile from a <load UEFI defaults> state
p.s.> pardon my ignorance for this question.. when u manual adjust the multiplier, why the Turbo boost Enable/disable option, disappears? (the turbo boost power options do stay though, => is turbo boost forced enabled when o/c? )
^ You must be a Pro3 owner, no such bug exists on the Extreme4/6 ;) To clarify as its been bought up check the first page for a full rundown of fixes. As I stated initially, the etron driver was to blame for BSODs when trying to use a logitech webcam, something which seems to be fixed with the new driver I uploaded on the first page. As others have stated, the Extreme4/6 boards are fantastic and by far the most trouble-free system people can expect to own in a long time. I do not give high praise out lightly, but Asrock truely deserve it for their Extreme4/6 boards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
as for the bugs itself, to be honest, i find them annoying only, not dysfunctional..Quote:
Originally Posted by papatsonis
i will check it again though. in the meanwhile, try this.
1) disable all in <Super I/O Config>, and enable "USB3 Legacy mode", in <Advanced USB Config>, save reboot
2) get in UEFI, (check that these settings are saved..) save this profile..
3) Load UEFI default,->save-> reboot
4) get in UEFI, load the previous saved profile, and check if these option are loaded.. and report :up:
any concrete explanation for the above?Quote:
Originally Posted by papatsonis
p.s.> agree about Asrock, not only on 1155 platform, but in 1366 has some very very good motherboards ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by papatsonis
Those bugs still exist and have been there for some time. They are very very minor though and certainly don't cause any problems. I'll remind Asrock about them though as they probably just forgot about them focusing on fixing the serious problems.
I've used my Ripjaws in both white and blue slots. No stability problems here. /hugs mobo/Quote:
Originally Posted by CikaNovo
Check first page for a brand new driver package. Lots of drivers have made quite a big jump in revision so you can expect them to contain a lot of bug fixes and improvements.
Fired up the Extreme4 last night, within 10 mins 5Ghz...! I can't believe how easy it is to clock these new chips, 1.41v, LLC 2, 50x multi job done! This is on the stock bios the board came with, 1.60. Is it ok to leave everything else on auto or should I set them manually?
Manual settings is always best but leaving stuff on auto shouldn't do any harm to anything. I'd also update the UEFI to 1.61 as it fixes one bug inparticular thats quite a bad one.
Ok thanks will do. What is the bug?
With UEFI 1.6 there is a bug where saved profiles get wiped if you clear the CMOS, that bug is fixed with UEFI 1.61 :up:
Do you know what values are safe for the power limit settings?
I have mine set at 250/250/250.
I have noticed that some people are affraid of setting too high power limits. Keep in mind that those limits are set only to avoid CPU throttling down when it pass above certain value of TDP. It doesn't mather if it's set to 255 or for e.g. 12387126127451284. Your CPU or mobo won't burn.
For some decent OC it have to be at least set to 200.
Mine settings are 255/255/300.
Thanks guys, I'm just a bit cautious of what I don't understand.
Don't worry. Its pretty hard to blow up SB setups, just dont pump insane volts through the memory or CPU and your pretty safe ;)
Just got my second Extreme6 B3 replacement and same issue as the first one- does not boot in Dual Chanel Mode- Single is fine :( I am at a loss here. Cleared the CMOS- Updated to 1.60 BIOS cleared CMOS again and it just hangs- code 45 on the debug LED. Single channel is fine. It is hard to believe that I got two bad boards in a row- my B2 revision was rock solid and never gave me issues.
Someone has to have a B3 Extreme6- did you have any issues like this?
Please suggest before I got to my local shop tomorrow and exchange it for an Asus mobo or something.
Are you sure you haven't been given the same faulty board back? Small stores are awful for pulling stunts like that.
I got it from newegg.com
I'd still wonder if they sent you the same dud board back as its very unlikely to get 2 bad boards in a row. I'd start to suspect something else is to blame. It would be ideal if you have your B2 board still to test everything on.
Yeah I tested my B2 board and it works...I had to send the B2 and the B3 Replacement back in order for them to send me back a new B3 replacement. If I would of known that this would cause me so much trouble i would of kept the B2 :down:
Hey, SB noob here choosing board, for overclocking does the extreme6 have any real advantage over the extreme4?
Wohoooo- I fixed it. I guess my Ven-x Heatsink was too tight- untightened the screws a little and HUSTON we got dual channel :clap::welcome:
I think the extreme6 just has 16 power phases as apposed to the extreme4's 8?Quote:
Originally Posted by sukebe
The extreme4 board is managing just fine with my chip, running at 5Ghz atm at 1.41v.
Happy news! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Volkswagen
As a added point of interest would people be interested if I suggested starting a OC leaderboard by CPU and mainboard type?
ASrock boards only?
i think, the "official" 2500k/2600k overclock results and batch here in xs, is more than enough, if we split results across the intel section, will be much more difficult to track them as reference..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Its about showing the Extreme4/6 boards are equally as good as other brands and can keep pace with the "big boys". Even though for socket 1155 the boards play very little part in a good SB OC, it will show the boards have refinement.
Just picked up my B3 version Extreme4 board. Everything seems ok, just the issue of not coming out of sleep mode when using a multi higher than 48 still exists. Anybody figure out a fix for it yet?
I don't have this problem.
x50 multi, standby working fine..
AFAIK if the system isn't coming out of sleep mode properly it's where your CPU isn't fully stable.
Not true. As mentioned earlier, several of us have had issues resuming from sleep on a high overclock. I still can't resume from sleep on a multiplier higher than 47x, but my OC is 100% stable at 49x (Linx, prime, gaming, encode, etc all stable). This issue still hasn't been fixed as of UEFI 1.61.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
People have mentioned in other threads that if you're using a multiplier that requires PLL Overvoltage, then standby will no longer function (a universal issue on P67 boards). Some CPUs can go higher than others without PLL Overvolt so it's definitely possible for some people to reach 5GHz with standby still working.
One of many threads that discuss this issue: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=268285
The issue may not even be anything to do with manufacturers UEFI's but rather a quirk in the CPU architecture which would explain why the issue pops up at random multipliers. I'm steadily building a new bugs list but so far there really isn't anything thats noteworthy. All I have so far is;
- Can't always resume from sleep with a high OC (could be any number of things not board or UEFI specific)
- Some UEFI settings do not "stick" in saved profiles
Thats it :shrug:
I just stopped prime after 5 hours @ 5.0, and no errors. Am currently running multiple threads of memtest which is at 1200% coverage, and 0 errors. I would assume that the oc. is stable. Still wakes to black screen. I have experienced the black screen with unstable o.c's before, but with this system, even the mouse lights up where on the other systems it wouldn't.
I'm booting into 5 ghz without internal pll overvoltage, so that might be the difference...
How about Offset ~0.110-130 not working Ket? Also I've had the issue of fixed vcore not reading at what I've set (1.15v set, 1.35v sensor reading).
Can't comment on offset as I don't use it. But as for fixed voltage if I use LLC level 2 then set a voltage I get pretty much exactly that voltage. So if I set 1.36v with LLC lvl2 it'll be 1.36v idle in Windows and 1.352v with all 4 cores 100% load.
Its been a while in coming but I finally had time to finish it; Asrock P67 Extreme 4 review
Ket, have you tried running the board without the PCH heatsink cooler? Judging by your comments, it's more bling than cooling capacity. Since that's the case, any problems running the board without the PCH cover? Assuming a case with reasonable air flow.
As crap as the PCH heatsink is, its still required as the PCH does get reasonably warm. My advice would be to use a 3rd party heatsink but its been some years since manufacturers like Enzotech or Zalman have released heatsinks that would fit modern boards. I guess we are stuck with it.
I was hoping that the aftermarket south bridge cooler for the DFI Expert board that I have still kicking around would fit. I forget who the heck made it, but it was a vga cooler that fit what ever vid cards from that time period, Ti 4200's?
I think it was/is EverCool
http://www.svc.com/vc-re.html
lol.....that's the one! the good ole evercool! If you had an Expert, that was the first thing you did to it. Not sure how the pin holes of the Ex4 will line up on it though.
What is the point in switching from well working passive cooling to an active one?
The PCH heatsink on the Extreme4 ISN'T a well working heatsink. It's utterly sh|t. Theres no need for a active SB cooler though just a decent passive one.
Why is that? I have tested temps with pyrometer and result shows that it works fine as well as those radiators on power phase. How it looks it is just a matter of taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
@Ket - If I may ask few questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
1. What is potential benefit? Any stability issues possible?
2. What is the mounting of this heatsink? Will there be a (warranty void) visible evidence when alternative headsink would be used?
3. What is the mounting distance - would any of these cheap solutions fit:
a)http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Pr...ad.asp?idx=132
b)http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Pr...ad.asp?idx=131
I have a spare HR-05 SLI, but that seems like overkill for PCH :)
@Radier - what was the actual temp? You measured the chip or heatsink temp?
Just one more question - where is the MB temp sensor located on our boards?
There are basic design bases to adhere to when making a good heatsink, the PCH heatsink on the Extreme4 meets none of them. A basic and effective heatsink is simply a block with a good base and fins to allow proper dissipation of heat through natural airflow. The Extreme4s PCH heatsink has none of that and acts more like a heat trap than a heatsink, thus adding nothing but another "hotspot".Quote:
Originally Posted by radier
Basic Thermodynamics.
1. As you are stuck with the heatsink on the Extreme4 my advice is to lap the base to a nice finish, it'll help make it a bit more effective and of course use good TIM like MX3 or AS Ceramique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorick_Rise
2. Mounting of the heatsink is "standard", which is to say in my mind pretty poor. Its mounted with nothing more than tiny rubber feet on the heatsink to prevent it from wobbling and pushpins. I've replaced the pushpins with a couple small screws, washers and nuts for a much more secure fitting and to apply more pressure which will help make the heatsink more effective (more pressure = less air between heatsink and PCH)
3. I didn't measure the distance between the holes but I can say a heatsink with mounting holes spaced 54mm apart is too small.
As for warranty, just keep the stock mounting method handy should you ever need to RMA. Just replacing TIM and using a good mounting method won't kill a mobo.
Do you have any stability issues related to temps on PCH? As far as I remeber yours last actions with changing thermal compound on power phase the result was cold radiators which is not good effect.
Not cold, warm. Cooler than when the board used the crummy stock TIM and thats to be expected when moving from a mid-grade TIM at best to high grade TIM. Everything is making proper contact with the MOSFET heatsinks also, so nothing but genuine improvements.
I've just discovered something about UEFI 1.61 for the Extreme4 you might want to check for yourselves. I was gathering some idle and load temperatures for comparisons to the new cooler I have arriving and to my surprise IBT failed with settings I know are absolutely stable. So after a moment of a puzzled look I went into the UEFI and tweaked a few settings and tried running IBT again - still failed. I tried tweaking a few more things and still IBT failed so I reverted back to UEFI 1.6A and IBT has now passed with no OC settings changed.
I would advise caution with UEFI 1.61 and urge you to test settings that you know are absolutely stable with IBT to see if you also fail.
Ket, what's the difference between the shipping BIOS 1.60 & 1.6A?
1.6
1. Modify boot logo (can anyone say wtf is the point in that?)
1.6A (BETA)
1. Fixes on-off Bug when Spread Spectrum is disabled.
- Maybe decrease BCLK OC-ability.
I don't know if official 1.6 fixes the on-off bug, probably not as the "A" to me would suggest a UEFI more recent than just 1.6.
Ket, are there holes around the PCH southbridge, like there were on socket 478 or 775 boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
If there is, then zipties, my friend...zipties :D
You can easily frankenstein an old BX chipset heatsink on it and slap on a 30mm fan :) I even have an ic7 max 3 heatsink sitting around...
Can someone explain what "Core Current Limit" means and does?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/bizket/uefi1.jpg
"Modify boot logo", that is needed for B3 revision. They have a boot logo with "B3" in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket