What's your settings,board, voltage?
What's your settings,board, voltage?
on a 920,r2e
if i can run 2000mhz CL8 fine with no errors at qpi 1.48( set 1.53750),dram 1.65v,bclk 200 and also tested the xmp profile also
which was 1.6v for qpi set 143 something for bclk
all dram voltage at 1.65v
pumped dram to 1.67 also no luck.
is there other settings for a latency other than dram voltage??
if i was to run 7-8-7-20
end up with 4gb left
and if stressed fails immediately with hci
eh
so ure telling me dram timing has to do with IMC's??
dont u think thats kindda thin as so far only uncore speeds are the issue with imc's and qpi voltage limits.
when the ram can run 8-8-8-24.. at 1.65v.. exact.. if i lessen it even by one voltage.. it gets unstable
isnt the problem with most proc is the ability of running uncore 4000 with the ram 2000mhz
i am still heading that this ram wasnt binned at 7-8-7-20.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...1/IMG_0088.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...1/IMG_0090.jpg
see the 4gb issue when cl7 ..
i remembered when i was clocking my dominator 1600 CL8.
when i did adventerous timing that doesnt have enough voltage only the issue above happens
Thin? Not the term I would use. The memory controller is part of the CPU. A weak controller will result in weak ram overclockability. Even though the ram is rated at 2000 running at that speed is overclocking the controller. With enough VTT you may find stability at 7-8-7. However, may well be past the voltage limit one is comfortable with.
Edit: Corsair states that up to 1.60V VTT may be required for 1866 memory depending on the quality of the IMC. That kind of puts 2000 speed requirements into perspective.
http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=75918
Ok, let me rephrase then. Ordering from US means that i have to pay 19%VAT once for the product when i order from you and 19%VAT once more in Greek customs over the total invoice that comes from you (Price of ram
+ 19%VAT + shipping). Total cost 80-100 euro over 2133X. Not going to happen :shakes:
Do you have experience with all the kits and state your opinion? :shrug:
i7 memory quality not only effects frequency head room but ability to run certain timings so you have 10x core i7 cpus where only 5 or 6 of these cpus can do DDR3-2000Mhz at CAS7.
4GB detection usually occurs when vdimm and cpu vtt (uncore) differential balance isn't correctly set to what your core i7 cpu likes.. so play with the vdimm and cpu vtt somewhat. Same improper balance between vdimm and cpu vtt can also cause everest/sandra bandwidth to report lower than it should even if full tri kit modules are detected.
These kits are validated at 1.65v vdimm and 1.6v CPU VTT (uncore) volts.
Right now I'm working backwards for my tests starting with max intel spec'd 1.35v CPU VTT and seeing how my GTs scale as i bump CPU VTT (vdimm is no longer the sole factor determining memory frequency/timing overclocks)!
ok lets assume i tried everything
yes its very thin arguement assuming that vtt voltage has to do with dram timings.
i have used the vtt up to 1.65v and no diff..
the errors still there
the errors lessen only when i up the dram voltage.
i am not yet comfortable to be running my vdimm voltage past 1.7v for stress testing yet on i7. but the errors are less around 4-5
this suggest only that the ram is not binned at CL7.
i have been running the other dominator at 1600 CL7 for nearly two months.
to answer the other question
the vtt voltage is just for the uncore not for the ram timings.
y the possibility that this set is not binned at cl7 is not a acceptable explanation.
i find that odd. latencies has nothing to do with vtt unless somebody here can prove that
so eva ure asking me to change the difference.. ok will try again..
and i get 6gb only if i run 1.5375 set... if i down it to 1.51v set thats when the 4gb issue occurs more commonly.
so i see ure point but up to what voltage should i run on the vdimm for 2000mhz CL7.
pinto the tRFC is set to auto.
never saw much of a gain from lowering it in x58 as compared to RE.
Very good explanation George. I'm still wondering how memory manufacturers are going to handle this. Compared to past platforms there seems no sure way for the average user to isolate these types of issues down to the memory itself. At least a method that will convince the user that it is not memory related. It's going to be a headache for the manufacturers for sure.
also are u guys so sure that instead of doing the above that
its just not bad luck that my kit cant run CL7
testing with lower vtt with memtest86..
hmm interesting 6gb now detected.
hmm so far no error in test 5 like above.. hmm
sorry praz for being a idiot.. just was pissed..
I didn't take your post as anything that needed an apology for. There really needs more info put out concerning memory and processors. Nobody is going to be happy if after spending upward of $500.00 the memory won't run at its rated speed.
If after trying different voltages and voltage relationships the speed still can't be reached the only options left are different processors or memory. Which for most users will require an RMA of the ram.
vdimm is a secondary voltage to play with really as it's all in the cpu vtt volts first and foremost - unfortunately cpu vtt comes down to the individual cpu.
balance i'm talking about is within that 0.5v difference between vdimm and cpu vtt - elpida 50nm ics seem to like a closer relationship between vdimm and cpu vtt once you pass DDR3-1866-2000Mhz speeds.
My GTs do quad super pi 32M around 20x 188bclk with 10x mem multi @DDR3-1880mhz 7-8-7-20 1T at 1.65v when i restrict CPU VTT to around intel spec's of 1.36v CPU VTT versus Corsair's validated 1.6v. Still testing how it scales in terms of CPU VTT.
Would definitely love to test more 6GB Elpida 50nm Hyper based IC kits later on, to see if it's specific to my i7 920s cpus, board/bios or GT modules itself or a combination of factors.
Only one way really = education :) More of same/similar information getting out to the masses is only way. Raja and Gary at Anandtech also touched on this with CPU VTT differences between Core i7 cpus http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3502. CPU and MEM performance/stability on i7 seems to be linked heh
could be, or could just your i7 cpu doesn't like that particular kit. Your same kit on another i7 cpu might perform drastically different from your current i7 cpu.
Both my twin i7 920 3836A756 cpus perform nearly identical for memory just one cpu needs way less CPU VTT to run same clocks > http://i4memory.com/105269-post4.html
it can be a fine balance so far come across 3 types of core i7 cpus from my rounds on forums and my own experience
Type 1 - core i7 cpus that need high to very high cpu vtt to overclock for memory and bclk.
Type 2 - core i7 cpus that like low-medium low cpu vtt to overclock for memory and bclk and scale with cpu vtt and memory voltage
Type 3 - core i7 cpus that only like low-medium low cpu vtt to overclock for memory and bclk BUT DO NOT scale for either cpu vtt and memory voltage or both
low cpu vtt = 1.3-1.35v
medium cpu vtt = 1.35-1.5v
high cpu vtt = 1.5-1.55v
very high cpu vtt = >1.55-1.65v
memtest is only the first stage of testing - next is windows :)
now i can pass memtest86+
but will fail memtest hci
difference is i increase the vdimm to 1.67
reduce the vtt to 1.5187set
6gb detected..
first thought must be the ioh/ich pair again
memtest hci prooved only stable when vdimm at 1.72v
testing now with a 965xe.
i am convinced that this ram is not binned right no offence folks.
What's your motherboard? Do you have the ability to measure actual VDIMM with a multimeter in a DIMM socket? The reason I ask is that e.g. Gigabyte X58 boards as well as DFI X58 deliver almost spot on VDIMM voltage (in reference to BIOS setting) under full load, but we observed that e.g. Asus P6T or R2E would undervolt by up to 40mv under full load, with 3 DIMMs installed. Believe it or not, 40mv on Elpida Hyper may make it or brake it @ 7-8-7...
To be honest, the very kit you received was went through our 7-8-7 production test and qualification as well as was retested under Vista64 with HCI Memtest and SMT enabled before we shipped it, to be on a sure side, since your shipment was already delayed. I'd like to assure you that we put super-super-extra care into manufacturing and testing Dominator 2000C7GTs.
What Praz and George said regarding perfectly matched CPU/mobos is very accurate, and anticipating that we put together some notes included with every 2000C7GT your kit as to what to expect when DDR3-2000+ clocking at 7-8-7.
Dominator 2000C7GT is a bleeding edge product that we target towards very particular audience, who understands Core i7 memory overclocking well, and is ready to spend some extra time tuning their setups. I'm not trying to lay blame, far from it, but only to point out that with 2000C7GT on Core i7 there may be more to it than just plugging it in and have it work, as we approach the limits of what Core i7 can handle without going sub-ambient on CPU on it to improve memory overclockability.
I'd like you to be satisfied with 2000C7GT... But if there's a doubt in your mind, we will take it back - replace it or refund it.
Thank you for understanding.
i am quoting from a dmm on voltages on load.
testing now with a 965xe. just took it from the office. since my friends 965xe also prooved the same.
i really trying not to rma it bachus.. as it took heck of a long time to get here and sending it back is just another cost of shipping for me.
hmm will get the dfi tommorow since the stock just came yesterday for the ut and dk.
Same here tbh, payed tax in US then again in UK , got the c8 kit but payed more than the c7 kit, could the product be linked through the Countries local Corsair shop ? be less expensive for us. :)
Also to you guys with i7 experience which is the best x58 board to go with as i have my ram and cpu and i am about to buy the board , was going to go for the asus RE2 but not too sure now
after wasting the whole night and also woke up early today to get the proc from the office.
plugged in..
still the same. wont work in xmp
there were some rumors here and there, but i think now that all mouth's are
shut, and off course it its a great choice (if not the best - inc. bundle,
special features, awsome bios, cooling, support)
IMHO perhaps the cons would be prices and high voltages
i'm a owner of a P6T DLX, and i would be looking foward for this one, if
b3 chipsets weren't listed.
cheers
went over to dfi
and guess what no prob running 2000mhz CL7
stupid r2e..
two boards didnt work.
did a fresh install i7 920 4.2ghz ram 2000mhz CL7 veloci raid 0
installed windows vista in 6 mins??
this is insane.
feel like doing a youtube video on that
So when are the memory water blocks coming out?
not going to run futher until get a waterblock for that pwm
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...2000mhzCL7.jpg
I know this has been asked before, is QPI/VTT voltage of 1.6-1.65v safe
and what should the IOH core voltage be set at ?
For that matter what is safe volts to run CPU PLL? " under water for the cpu and qpi north bridge thingy "
Hello Guys,
on this Weekend we have our Live OC-Session on CeBIT '09 here in Germany at Corsairs booth.
We have to work with the DOMINATOR-GT 2000C7
after the Weekend Bluebeard gives me this f***in nice memory to test it at my place and have one week fun with them.
Here are my Pics:
http://zap-technix.org/david/OC/cebi...-GT/GT2_tb.jpg
http://zap-technix.org/david/OC/cebi...-GT/GT3_tb.jpg
http://zap-technix.org/david/OC/cebi...-GT/GT4_tb.jpg
http://zap-technix.org/david/OC/cebi...-GT/GT8_tb.jpg
Yesterday I test them on my EVGA Board.
Works fine, but they only do what they must do...
need 1,8V for 1050 7-8-7-20 1T in 32M
will continue testings today :up:
BenchZowner BETA BIOS can be found here Boosty... Try the G19a Beta
Foxconn BIOS
We have made a little Video about the TEC Cooling of the CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT's.
http://www.abload.de/img/introi4ut.jpg
Klick on the Picture for Video!
in our case the TEC Cooling gives us a gain of 15-20 MHz (on 7-8-7-20 1T 1,8V)
:up:
I can reach 1053MHz 7-8-7-20 1T @ 1,8V 32M Stable but more isn't possible
WHere are these in stock at? Corsair's website says they are out of stock/unavailable.
Its only Corsairs e-shop that sells these at the moment.Quote:
WHere are these in stock at? Corsair's website says they are out of stock/unavailable.
Thats what I was thinking. I guess i'll have to go on their notification list. *tear*
Any clue when these TEC kits will be available?
Beware of RTL (Round Trip Latency) settings up high now also, they might need finite adjustment based on the board's BIOS settings, IMC quality, memory type/settings, and IOH setup . Once you get to this level, the amount of interaction required to get a stable system is rather painful. :D I recreated your problem on the DFI board last Friday, switched over to the Gigabyte Extreme and RE II now for clocking this memory up. ;)
Hi guys,
I had finally found time to focus some more on overclocking action with our Dominator 2000C7 GT!
If you're interested in what we've been up to, and what came out of it :), click on the image to watch a video I cooked up :D
As far as I've seen around, some current triple-channel DDR3 frequency records fell in this video - top DDR3 frequency in triple-channel 3x2GB configuration and max. SuperPi 32M stable ;)
YouTube video (switch to HQ mode for better fidelity) --- click on image
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAt...GT_Youtube.gif
SuperPi 32M @ DDR3-2266 7-8-7-20
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAt...i32M_small.gif
SuperPi 32M @ DDR3-2280 7-8-7-20
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAt...i32M_small.gif
CPU-Z Validation @ DDR3-2380 7-8-7-20, triple-channel 3x2GB
http://www.clockmehigh.com/TestingAt...lid_2380C7.gif
CPUVtt / Uncore voltage is not correctly reported in TurboV - it's not thaaat high :p: :D
Let me know what you think about the video, and the results, please :up:
BTW: More 2000C7GTs for those of you interested in snatching one for yourself are coming into the Corsair Store within days now... Stand by :)
:toast:
woah and here i was joking with FUGGER last night who will hit DDR3-2400 32M PI stable first - you're freakin close :D
FYI, i think Andre has A-DATA 2133X Elpida at DDR3-2286Mhz 7-8-7-20 for 32M pi IIRC
Ah thanks Gary for the hard work, strange how not all elpida ics exhibit the problem of lower max frequency single super pi 32m compared to 4x or 8x super pi 32m max frequency - even on DFI board.
I think fugger did ~2360 32m with the samsungs.
Those look a lot better than my GT's, I think, but I'm not certain. I've never been over 2260, but maybe I haven't tried hard enough. :shrug:
So, when is the water cooling unit going to be released? :(
I think so too, DDR3-2350 8-9-8 with 3x1GB Dominators 1866C8. I'm curious to see what he can pull off with 3x2GB 2000C7GT, though.
Most 2000C7GTs should be very close - the kit I'm using in the video is from exactly the same batch that was sold in Corsair Store on the first day of availability. It's really the CPU and cooling that makes a lot of difference above DDR3-2200. I went through probably 10 x 965XE to find only 2 that are, let's say, decent...Quote:
Those look a lot better than my GT's, I think, but I'm not certain. I've never been over 2260, but maybe I haven't tried hard enough. :shrug:
Within days another batch of 2000C7GT is to land in the Corsair Store, and waterblocks should make it at the same time as well. We should also have TECs available in the store within 2 weeks. Sorry for delays - we're making sure all is tip-top before we release it into the wild.
I appreciate your interest and patience... It's all almost here... :)
Good job, guys! Thanks! But I want to see more, more, gimme more :D
If loosening latencies to 8-8-8 does not gain you anything, then it's most likely not the DIMMs - Elpida Hyper's I/O circuitry allows for DDR3-2133+ at 1.65V VDIMM, but you will need to give core a break and run it at CL8. Issue is, to absolutely max it out, we need even better platform than X58, and Uncore capable of running routinely at up to 4.5-5GHz without massive voltage increases... But then next up in line is the memory bus, or more precisely layout of traces on memory bus, and BIOS - on X58 we see more cases of memory controller dropping channels at very high speeds after unsuccessful memory training routine when it can't align CMD/ADD/CTRL signals correctly across all the DRAMs, ranks and channels (e.g. dreaded "where's my 2GB gone?" issue), and even when each DIMM is capable of much higher speeds, and manually playing with RTL settings doesn't help anymore.
8-8-8 don't gives me any advantage :( and the Memory don't scales with more Voltage, I think the problem is the memory controller.Quote:
Good job, guys! Thanks! But I want to see more, more, gimme more
If loosening latencies to 8-8-8 does not gain you anything, then it's not the DIMMs - Elpida Hyper's I/O circuitry allows for DDR3-2133+ at 1.65V VDIMM, but you will need to give core a break and run it at CL8. Issue is, to absolutely max it out, we need even better platform than X58, and Uncore capable of running routinely at up to 5GHz without massive voltage increases... But then next up in line is the memory bus, or more precisely layout of traces on memory bus, and BIOS - on X58 we see more cases of memory controller dropping channels at very high speeds after unsuccessful memory training routine when it can't align CMD/ADD/CTRL signals correctly across all the DRAMs, ranks and channels (e.g. dreaded "where's my 2GB gone?" issue), and even when each DIMM is capable of much higher speeds, and manually playing with RTL settings doesn't help anymore.
CPU runs nice, up to 4,6 Uncore 32M stable on Cascade but with Samsung ICs 1075 CL8 was also the max. have tryed a lot of combinations with the EVGA X58 Board but no possibiliy to get over 1053 32M stable
hope we will get a nice D0 in the next weeks, so I can push the memory higher, but unfortunatly the 2000C7 are no more here...
Great work Bachus, really impressed. But uh Bachus, damn what a hard job you got testing all these ram modules with your 10x i7 965's, its a hard life eh but someone got to do it :D
Hey you don't want to sell me one of them 10x chips you got lying around do ya, ten is a bit greedy :D
Need some advice.
which one is faster lol Sorry,
7-8-7-20 1866?
8-8-8-24 2000?
There both the same price but the 1866 is in stock. Does it even matter?
what I have heard booth are the same (Chips what not runs 2000 7-8-7-20 2T @ 1,65V) and only the SPD-ROM is different
For Elpida, 2400+ CL7 is not that hard. It depends on cpu.
I can confirm on DFI UT X58-T3EH8 with 2/27 beta bios that ADDR/CMD Bus VREF bios option did help me get single super pi 32m stable with ADDR/CMD Bus VREF = 95 when it wasn't stable (reboots) with default ADDR/CMD Bus VREF = Disabled @DDR3-2140Mhz 7-8-7-20 1T with 1.61v CPU VTT and 1.875v VDIMM.
Gary you mentioned Round Trip Latency (RTL) tweaking too, and I noticed that RTL value in CPU Tweaker loosened up when I changed ADDR/CMD Bus VREF from disabled to enabled with 95 value. RTL changed from 57 to 58 after enabling ADDR/CMD Bus VREF with value of 95.
ADDR/CMD Bus VREF disabled where RTL = 57
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...m_29s858ms.png
ADDR/CMD Bus VREF Enabled = 95 where RTL = 58
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...1m36s248ms.png
interesting indeed !
Looking forward to seeing the water blocks, thank you bachus. :D
Best I can do for now with new found ADDR/CMD Bus VREF tweaking (set at 105) @DDR3-2209Mhz 7-8-7-20 2T at 1.92v vdimm bios set (1.925v real DMM).
@DDR3-2209Mhz 7-8-7-20 2T at 1.92v vdimm bios set (1.925v real DMM)
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...1m18s043ms.png
Validation is at DDR3-2209Mhz just cpuz clock momentarily jumped to DDR3-2212Mhz :)
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png
@DDR3-2286Mhz 7-8-7-20 1T at 1.875v vdimm bios set (~1.880v real DMM)
Still not close to my best I did when i first got my GT set with DFI UT X58-T3EH8 with 1/23 beta bios.
Validation
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/500527.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...cpuz_valid.png
http://img.techpowerup.org/090318/RAMM.jpg
My qpi is set at 1.6 in the bios, altho my volt monitor says 1.54, anything under that i cant boot at all..
Got my drammv 1.65, cant get them to run on 1T tho, should i set dramm volt higher to run at 1T ?
is there much difference between 1T and 2T ?
Id try lower bclk with other divider to check if 1T and/or lower vqpi is possible, 200 bclk is a tricky setting.
Is this ram still worth it? I notice that prices have plumetted on DDR3 kits lately.
For example I can get OCZ Platinum DDR3 2000 (9-9-9-30) for $310 canadian dollars. That's around $230 US.
It seems that all DDR3 except for corsair and kingston is much cheaper at the moment.
How much of a performance hit should I expect if I run 2 of the 6Gb kits?
For example, would I be able to run 12Gb @2000MHz 8-8-8-24 on an EVGA Classified board?
Or am I pretty much guaranteed to have to run slightly slower than that with all slots populated?
I was reading the anandtech article on the classified and they stated that that motherboard is better at having all memory slots occupied. You should get much better memory bandwidth than just 3 sticks atleast....
regarding corsair and water u may checkk this
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=220994
Any word on when Dominator GT will be back in stock yet?
I would like to know as well. Their website says availability on the week of the 18th. I've received no email notification nor have i seen the website show that they are in stock. :mad:
I recieved an email form corsair saying that they are in stock. I placed my order and waiting for a tracking number. Make sure you guys are on the waiting list and not waiting to see them show "in stock" on the website.
I gave them my e-mail addy. How do I "make sure I'm on the waiting list?"
Thats all you can do. I've went as far as using 3 email accounts. I received a tracking number within 3 hours of purchase. I wish you luck man. I've waited a couple weeks .
OCUK actually had some of these in stock, so I grabbed a set of 2000mhz 8-8-8, which should be here on Thursday! Saved me shipping from the US which is a bonus - I must admit i was suprised to see them as I didnt think corsair was sending GT's to resellers!
Question: I still have not upgraded to the i7 yet and frankly still not really enthusiastic about it yet. But to help the transition a little I was wondering if I could use 2 of these sticks in my X38 board and work like dual channel ddr3 ram? This way when I do make that transition it will be that much cheaper. Thanks in advance! :up:
Cool thanks! :up: Will be picking this kit up on Newegg!
They FLY on older chipsets :D
:eek::eek:
You can find my DominatorGT 1866 results here
Beautiful!!! GT very cool
Well, my 2000mhz 8-8-8 GT's arrived yesterday. Not had long with them so no extensive results yet. But i got them up to 2000mhz and I'm pretty impressed so far!
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/398...verestbenc.jpg
I can get 4ghz Prime stable with the GT's at 1910mhz absolutely fine. The above settings are taking considerably more uncore I think, which leads me to a question. How much is too much uncore for 24/7 use?
Taming the GT beasts on DFI UT X58-T3EH8
Did 2 runs on fresh Win 7 64bit RC install I did last night. Only change was CPU VTT voltage needed to pass Hyper Pi 8x 32M vs 4x 32M.
- 8x 32M Hyper Pi HT Enabled - CPU VTT = 1.44v
- 4x 32M Hyper Pi HT Disabled - CPU VTT = 1.47v needed more for 4x32M HT Disabled
RTL value for channel A changed when CPU VTT changed from 1.44v to 1.47v
RTL A/B/C = 56/57/58
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._32m_x8_tn.png
RTL A/B/C = 55/57/58
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...4_htoff_tn.png
Past bioses and tests, I found memory bandwidth in memtest86+ v2.11 was higher with HT disabled than HT enabled, so could explain why more CPU VTT volts is needed for HT disabled.
4//28 looking sweet indeed 8x 32M Super Pi instance via HyperPi @DDR3-2080Mhz 7-8-7-20 1T at 1.725v bios set vdimm = 1.730v real DMM vdimm.
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_..._32m_x8_tn.png
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...15/everest.png
vtt 1.4v
tRD 54/55/57
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ntitled-40.jpg
think i finally get this mobo..
funny it was the classified that was giving me hints.
rtl 54/55/57 vtt 1.35v (dmm read.. )
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...ntitled-41.jpg
its just nuts this one stupid setting..
and everything turns gold
Hello Guys,
on Monday I recived our new GT 2000C7 Kit
here is my first test result from today with only 1,8V
http://www.abload.de/img/2000c7-testingeobi.jpg
Any 2000GT7 kit can do this or not?
Mine can't at 7-7-6-x but it could be memory controller related. Either way at 7-8-7-20 1T still faster 32m time than that 7-7-6-20 heh.
http://fileshosts.com/intel/DFI/DFI_...8m54s000ms.png
7-7-7-20 1t maxes out for me around 954-965mhz for super pi 32M while 7-8-7-20 maxes out around 1104mhz 32M pi