Well, I have 2 2GB Kingmax DDR3 memories.
I've never liked the sound of overclocking, and I wouldn't like to try it, without knowing, how does it effects, the machines parts. I prefer to have a slower computer, but for longer duration, than the opposite. Thanks for the opportunity, but I'd rather say, I'd do the standard.
Well this is XS forums, in that case dan, just go into your bios, Hit delete at bootup, and when in bios just hit f5 that will load your default setting automaticly, and you should be fine, try that and let me know how it works.
:)
Okay I'll check it.
One question, though: is this going to affect on my boot order and harddrive priorities, right?
I think you might have to set those manually.
ok guys, got it running pretty sweet now with no overclocking, here are my final settings:
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = TT Toughpower 1200
CPU = QX9450
RAM = G.Skill 2x2GB DDR3 PC3-12800
HDD Veliciraptor 300GB =
VGA1 = Leadtek 9800gx2
VGA2 ( if you have ) =
VGA3 ( if you have ) =
SPU ( Sound Card ) = asus supreme sfx II thingy that came with the board
NorthBridge Cooling = stock
SouthBridge Cooling = stock
CPU Cooling = arctic freezer pro
RAM Cooling = corsair dominator
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = Newest on ASUS Site 9.46
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 175.16
Sound Card Drivers Version = soundmax 5.10.01
BIOS version 0801 REQUIRED 1104
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = PC3-12800
AI Overclock Tuner = CPU Level Up
CPU Multiplier = 8
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Auto
FSB - Memory Ratio = Auto
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1600
LDT Frequency = x5
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = Auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 18
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = Manual 8 (auto was 5 which was below gskill specs)
tRC = AUTO 40
tWR = AUTO 12
tWTR = AUTO 18
tFAW = AUTO 25
tRD = AUTO 9
tRTP = Manual 8 (auto was 6 which was below gskill specs)
tRFC = AUTO 88
tREF = AUTO 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = Auto Actual 1.31
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto Actual 1.52
CPU VTT Voltage = Auto Actual 1.13
Memory Voltage = 1.84 Actual 1.90
NB Core Voltage = 1.38 Actual 1.40
SB Core Voltage = 1.50 Actual 1.50
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio =Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio =Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio =Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio =Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt =Auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt =Auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt =Auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt =Auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Disabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
The main timings (7-7-7-18) had to be manually put in too, the auto was way up in the 10's and 11's. I hope people find them helpfull
There are alot newer nforce drivers than the ones you got from asus website, try here, im using 15.76 www.guru3d.com
It doesn't seem to help. The freezes are the same. :S
And Now, at the booting sequence, "Detect driver done. None drivers detected." sentence is being displayed for a moment. I left the default settings as You told me, and only changed the boot list, and the hard drives priority. And I don't see any kind of changes.
Correction:
The freezes are more frequent. :S
my advice is to use the drivers I have specified in my list, get the system stable and then experiment with newer drivers which so far I have found cause many BSOD. However in my case it could be the cheap and nasty leadtek 9800gx2
The problem i had was dicking around with bios settings trying to get my system stable when it was the drivers causing the problem, getting the system stable first provides a stable platform to then find the most reliable drivers for your set up.
Edit: Worth noting that both my gfx and chipset drivers are those available from the respective manufacturers sites and for me this always has been the starting place for the most stable drivers for this and previous pc's
And Dan7e try making your memory clock command to 2T, its makes a big difference in stability for me
Hey dan, can you post all your setting that your running now ? use one of the bios templates on this page and fill it out with your settings, your board should run fine at stock, something aint right, but without seeing your whole settings i dont know where to start.
where did you get these drivers from cannot find them on guru 3d could you upload them somewhereQuote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
There on guru3d, click on top of page on downloads, the look right side of screen, click mainboard drivers, you will see nvidia chipset drivers, then you have choice of all drivers.
Sorry neo, I wasn't around a while. I'll gather the setting tomorrow and will post it soon.
Thanks. And thanks for the tip majorfu, I'll deffinitely try that.
So here's the deal:
It seems the freezes has reduced efficiently. Yesterday I after turning on the pc, I converted a video(where the pc used to freeze), and it didn't freeze at all. I left it turned in for a couple of hours(actually 5 I think), and done the same process, that also worked without freeze.
Now what I did after the bios update is loaded a pre-saved profile of settings, that I used with the early bios, and I only changed the memory clock command to 2T as mayorfu suggested. So thanks for the help.
But there's somenthing: after the latest turn-in, one of the fans, that is on the pc's casing started to make loud noises, like as something would reached the fan, and it keep clicking. After a cold reset, the noise goes away. This happened before a couple of times. I checked the fan and nothing were near to interfear with the fan, and also I cleaned it. So what would it be? I f still needs the settings post I'll deffinitely do it. And also if any freeze happens I'll let You know .
yes i have similar fan noise for few seconds on boot then goes as OS loads, i think its the CPU fan but its hard to tell with all the fans I have
also I am happy that small suggestion helped you, might be worth running cpuz(cpuid) and takeing a full dump from that and send me the details and also post what the auto mem timings have been given by the board
There may be slightly more improvements to make
For me fans noise can only be get rid of by turning off the whole machine. It's a simple fan that draws the heat out of the pc-s case, I checked it.
Also yesterday there was another freeze, so it didn't vanished, however definitelly reduced its chance.
I downloaded this cpuz prog. As soon as it's up and running, I'll post the results along with the time settings. THX!:)
I really apriciate Your help, guys.
Here's list:
[code]Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Chieftec CFT-750-14CS
CPU = Intel Pentium III Xeon, 3000 MHz (7 x 429) -> Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E8400
RAM = 2 x 2048 MB Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz KingMax
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = SAMSUNG HD252KJ SCSI Disk Device (232 GB)
VGA1 = Bliss NVIDIA GEForce 8800GT PCX 512MB TV DUAL DVI
VGA2 ( if you have ) = -
VGA3 ( if you have ) = -
SPU ( Sound Card ) = SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio
NorthBridge Cooling = Stock
SouthBridge Cooling = Stock
CPU Cooling = Stock given to the CPU
RAM Cooling = -
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 5.1.2600
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = Omega 2.169.21
Sound Card Drivers Version = 5.10.1.6310
[b][color=red]BIOS version = 1104
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Auto
CPU Multiplier = 9.0
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Auto
FSB - Memory Ratio = Auto
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333 Actual = 1333.3
MEM (DDR) MHz = Auto Actual = 1333.3
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = Auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = Auto -> Current = 9
tRCD = Auto -> Current = 9
tRP = Auto -> Current = 9
tRAS = Auto -> Current = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T -> Current = 2T
tRRD = Auto -> Current = 4
tRC = Auto -> Current = 33
tWR = Auto -> Current = 12
tWTR = Auto -> Current = 16
tFAW = Auto -> Current = 21
tRD = 15 -> Current = 15
tRTP = 7 -> Current = 7
tRFC = 255 -> Current = 255
tREF = Auto -> Current = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = Auto
[color=red]Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto
CPU VTT Voltage = Auto
Memory Voltage = Auto
NB Core Voltage = Auto
SB Core Voltage = Auto
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = Auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
CPU C State Capacity = C4
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
[color=red]Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = - Disabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = - Disabled
Spread Spectrum Control
[color=red]CPU Spread Spectrum = Auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Auto
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CPUZ Results:
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CPU:
Name = Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
Code Name = Wolfdale
Package = Socket 775 LGA
Technology = 45 nm
Core Voltage = 1.216 V
Clocks:
Core Speed ~ 2000.1 - 3000.4 MHZ
Multiplier ~ x6.0 - x9.0
Bus Speed ~ 333.4 MHz
Rated FSB ~ 1333.6MHZ
Cache:
L1 Data Size = 2 x 32 KBytes
L1 Inst. Size = 2 x 32 KBytes
L2 Size = 6144 KBytes
Cores = 2
Threads = 2
Memory:
Type = DDR3
Channels = Dual
Size = 4096 MB
Timings
DRAM Freq ~ 666.7 MHZ
FSB:DRAM = 1:2
Whats up with you tRFC? Its the last value you can set, try it on Auto. You can also try setting P1 and P2 enabled with 1.44v on NorthBridge. I also suggest to manualy sett Ram voltage to designed specs.
with cpuz the final tab allows you to take a complete dump to text, please get this as it contains important info the about the ram (here is what mine gave me. also please look at the monitor and include what volts the mobo supplies to various components when on auto, its likely the mobo will not be supplying enough to the ram for a stable setting
Dan, enable P1 P2, your trfc is wacked out, try about 75. All your overvoltages should be set manually, this board overvolts very badly, you need to set them yourself. Try 1.30-1.32 vtt, 1.45 nb,cpu pll 1.50-1.52, cpu voltage 1.25. Change your memory timings to 8-8-8-24.
Wow, I've never thought the default settings are so wrong.
I changed the values U told me, neo. At the vtt option the 1.32 turned yellow, so I left it on 1.30, but there wasn't any issue besides.
Here's the cpuz.txt major, I didn't know this can export so much information. :S
Oh, I've extracted it right after I changed the values, that neo suggested.
Ok dan try these settings, look at each setting and follow it to the letter, this will have your cpu running at 3.2 mgz, your ram at 1600mgz, a small mild overclock, these settings should be very close, put them into the bios and let me know what happens.
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = manual
CPU Multiplier = 8x
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = synced
FSB (QDR) MHz = Actual = 1600
MEM (DDR) MHz = Auto Actual = 1600
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = enabled
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = Auto -> Current = 9
tRCD = Auto -> Current = 9
tRP = Auto -> Current = 9
tRAS = Auto -> Current = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T -> Current = 2T
tRRD = Auto -> Current = 4
tRC = Auto -> Current = 33
tWR = Auto -> Current = 12
tWTR = Auto -> Current = 16
tFAW = Auto -> Current = 21
tRD = 15 -> Current = 15
tRTP = 7 -> Current = 7
tRFC = 255 -> Current = 85
tREF = Auto -> Current = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.25-1.27
[color=red]Loadline Calibration = enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.50-1.54
CPU VTT Voltage =1.30-1.32
Memory Voltage = >auto
NB Core Voltage = 1.45-1.50
SB Core Voltage = Auto
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = may need +10 +20 leave auto for now
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = Auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
CPU C State Capacity =disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
[color=red]Virtualization Technology = disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = - Disabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = - Disabled
Spread Spectrum Control
[color=red]CPU Spread Spectrum = disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = disabled
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Hello
i had an asus P5NT WS motherboard and tried to watercool it but it broke down so i got the cpu and hard discs from it and build a new pc. i formatted both HDs and installed XP and Vista. i didn't overclock and used stock auto settings most of the settings(i filled the form and sening it on attachment). in vista it randomly freezes while downloading something or using internet explorer after 5 minutes or 2 hours of use. it is the same while playing games sometimes 30 minutes sometimes 3 hours. in XP it was the same until last day. when i boot XP everything works fine my desktop launches the bar on the right bottom corner starts filling and suddenly a blank blue screen comes and you can't do anything other than rebooting it so ii can't use xp right now.
P.S: i watercool RAM, CPU, Fusion Block, HDs so i don't think temperature is the problem.
Code:Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Hiper 780watt
CPU =intel Q6700
RAM = 2x 2gb OCZ Platinum 1333mhz
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = 2x Samsung hd250hj 250gb
VGA1 = Zotac GTX 285
VGA2 ( if you have ) = none
VGA3 ( if you have ) = none
SPU ( Sound Card ) = none
NorthBridge Cooling = stock, water
SouthBridge Cooling = stock
CPU Cooling = koolance cpu-340 water
RAM Cooling = koolance ram-35 water
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 181.22
Sound Card Drivers Version = none
BIOS version 1202 REQUIRED 1202
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = auto
CPU Multiplier = 10.0
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = auto
FSB - Memory Ratio = auto
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1066
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = auto
P2 = auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = auto 7
tRCD = auto 7
tRP = auto 7
tRAS = auto 20
Command Per Clock (CMD) = auto 1T
tRRD = auto 4
tRC = auto 28
tWR = auto 12
tWTR = auto 16
tFAW = auto 17
tRD = auto 9
tRTP = auto 5
tRFC = auto 60
tREF = auto 7.8uS
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = auto 1.31
Loadline Calibration = disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = auto 1.52
CPU VTT Voltage = auto 1.23
Memory Voltage = 1.74 1.80
NB Core Voltage = auto 1.36
SB Core Voltage = auto 1.48
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Enabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Enabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = auto
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = auto
Problem Description
i have both 32bit Xp professional and 64bit Vista Business installed on seperate Hard drives and dual boot. both Xp and Vista crash randomly during idle mode oe playing games i tried different bios but none of them changed anything. I tried to overclock the cpu few times but it is not stable unless i use ai overclock tuner 10%. so i don't overclock but still have random crashes
With ram able to run at 1800 MHz :rolleyes:
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Sync Mode
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1800
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1800
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled
P2 = Enabled
(CMD) = 4GB and above should just go for 2T
tRRD = Auto (then set it to whatever the auto was)
tRC = The rule is don't go lower than tCAS + tRAS + 2 but will go abit lower than that with more voltage, usually gives memtest erros at test 4/5 if tightened too much
tWR = 12 but can go 10 with adequate voltage
tWTR = Auto (then set it to whatever the auto was)
tFAW = Auto (then set it to whatever the auto was)
tRD = Auto (then set it to whatever the auto was)
tRTP = Auto (then set it to whatever the auto was)
tRFC = Depends upon ram, if tighten too much you will get BSOD during os load
tREF = Auto, usually 7.8ms
Over Voltage
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Varies, if it helps running 24/7 q6600 VID 1.26 from 1066 (9 x actual FSB) to 3.8GHz, 1900 (8 x actual FSB) with 1.54vCore and VTT, with just 1.58v (actual 1.6) vPLL.
CPU VTT Voltage = Might be a good idea to set this same as vCore
NB Core Voltage = 1.56 minimum, P1 & P2 enabled should go up to 1.6. If you are more stable with more voltage then increase vDimm because ram takes it out NB. I can run 1900FSB with 1.58 (actual 1.6) vNB
SB Core Voltage = 1.5 unless changing PCI express busses and MCP to SPP freqs.
CPU GTL REFs Ratio = Depending on your VTT, formula is (VTT * 0.667) - (VTT * 0.635) for 65nm and (VTT * 0.635) - (VTT * 0.667) for 45nm (unconfirmed, I think positive number would work)
NB GTL REF Ratio = AUTO
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto - This doesn't affect OC ability.
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled - Doesn't work with overclocked CPU.
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Run ram at stock timings and voltage. If this is unstable for you increase vDimm, loosen timings and/or disable P1 and P2. vDimm drops a bit on load and it does drop as low as what you set it to.
The most important thing is to run ram sync'ed with fsb.
Once you test small fft's on prime for at least 4 hours, try blend for another 8 h. Now monitor for any load drop on CPU load, if you do then GTL ref's are wrong; as I haven't got a 45nm CPU my guess is you should do a positive number. Having different gtl refs leads to instability on any clock, all gtl ref's EXCLUDING NB GTL and RAM GTL should be about the same. If it helps I run task manager with Update Speed set to Low then I regularly check for any drop by not being in front of the monitor for hours . If any core fails after 4h small fft's passed then you need to increase vDimm, vNB or SB (if you increase pci epxress busses or MCP to SPP freqs).
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = coolermaster ( 500W )
CPU = Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
RAM = OCZ Platinum DDR3-1333 4GB
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = WDC ( 250 GB, SATA II )
VGA1 = XFX 8600 GT Fatal1ty
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Supreme ….. came with the board
NorthBridge Cooling = Stock cooler with a fan above it blowing towards the NB
SouthBridge Cooling = Stock cooler with a fan above it blowing towards the SB
CPU Cooling = stock
RAM Cooling = non
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = nVIDIA nFORCE Drivers v20.08
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = nVIDIA ForceWare v182.20
Sound Card Drivers Version = 5.10
BIOS version 1002
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 7.5
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Synch
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 20
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = 4
tRC = 28
tWR = 12
tWTR = 16
tFAW = 17
tRD = 9
tRTP = 5
tRFC = 60
tREF = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.26V
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.48V
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.10V
Memory Voltage = 1.63V
NB Core Voltage = 1.29V
SB Core Voltage = 1.48V
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Disabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Problem Description
games and video’s freeze from time to time
first I could just reboot and it would not freeze again until I turned the pc off but now it freeze’s every 10 to 30 min in a game
tested it with WoW / Guilwars / Cod 4/ L4D /Diablo 2/ RA3 / C&C KW
Devour
Try setting VTT at 1.3, PLL on 1.5, make sure ram votlage and timings is at stock (say if it says 1.65 set in bios 1.64, you can lower it later once stable). Check your cpu vid in coretemp without running any other monitoring software, the vid is the voltage the cpu requires to work at stock frequency. Your voltage is quite high for q9300; a friend of mine has the same cpu and if I recall right all he needs is 1.23v, with LLC enabled set it at 1.18v and it will be at ~1.23 if you check in bios Power>Hardware Monitor>Voltage Monitor. Also set NB at 1.44v and if you are running stock keep all gtl refs on auto. By the way, my friend hasn't got loadline calibration feature so I kept his cpu voltage at 1.23 and on load it drops at 1.18 running stable for 4h on prime small fft's and 8h on blend.
thank you cibic ill punch in the number shortly and ill let you know
By the way mate there's no nforce chipset drivers v20.08 the latest is 15.23 on xp and vista including 64bit versions
20.08_nforce_winxp32_international_whql found it on guru3d
just wrote it down... prob should have dived in sys32 to take a look
but my pc just crashed after playing 2 eps of amarican dad havent tried games yet gonna try that now, should i try prime
oke prime run sucked 2 times on blend crashed first 2-4 min
That sounds like cpu. Not all q9300's are the same, some need more voltage while others need less. If you set your vcore according to your VID (in coretemp) with -0.05v from what you need (bacause of Loadline Calibration) and it still crashes on you, then set it on auto and disable LLC. Prime95 small FFT's use mostly CPU, so if it crashes within 1 hour then most probably your CPU is unstable. I suggest you take this a step each time, make sure CPU is stable then work with other components (ram, NB).
got it on 1.175 now coretemp said 1.225 so that should be just right with LLC
god im acualy learning something :rofl:
but im off now ill run another test tomorrow morning and ill let you know
You can always install PC Probe II to monitor your temps, voltages and fan speeds.
i ran a test this morning without succes
set NB on auto and turned off LLC and set Vcore to 1.225
ran a test again and with succes 1 hour of small fft
should i run a longer test ? or should i start changing other volts
1.44v on NB is where you want to keep it for stability reasons, then once you are stable you can drop it. Been researching a bit and found that your ram should be running at 1.8v as http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...atinum_edition but you can try at 1.78. Since you are running on stock, keep LLC disabled and vcore as is, then test for at least 4h small fft's. If it's successful then try to do blend for 2h, if that succeeds then adjust NB to 1.38v then proceed with prime95 blend for 8h (I usually leave it overnight) and let me know.
hey dan7e, hope things are getting better, the cpuz dunp u posted shows the following :
DIMM #1
General
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) Kingmax Semiconductor (7F7F7F2500000000)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700H (667 MHz)
Part number FLFE85F-B8MF9
Attributes
Number of banks 8
Nominal Voltage 1.50 Volts
EPP no
XMP no
Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 444 593 667
CAS# 6.0 8.0 9.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 6 9 10
RAS# Precharge 6 9 10
TRAS 16 22 25
TRC 22 30 34
so at 1333 9-10-10-25 looks like their recommended setting which does seem pretty slack but should improve stability and if 1.5 is the max volts then the manual setting should be around 1.46
If i was to be brutally honest you prolly would have been bettter off with a formula and buying top end ddr2 than an extreme with this ram, also the trfc should be between 80-90ns. mine is auto at 88
devour the nb volt will help the probs but there are so many annoying variables that this board does not get right automatically
MajorFU running fsb unlinked with ram, though stock is unstable with this board. It might be stable for a while but after a few days you will get BSOD's.
small fft failed at 3 hours 48k was running 1.175 with LLC because prob showed me that if i set my volt on 1.225 it would be 1.26
would you suggest me to put it on 1.225 without LLC and ignore prob ?
There seems to be a gap in communication.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = coolermaster ( 500W )
CPU = Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300
RAM = OCZ Platinum DDR3-1333 4GB
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = WDC ( 250 GB, SATA II )
VGA1 = XFX 8600 GT Fatal1ty
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Supreme ….. came with the board
NorthBridge Cooling = Stock cooler with a fan above it blowing towards the NB
SouthBridge Cooling = Stock cooler with a fan above it blowing towards the SB
CPU Cooling = stock
RAM Cooling = non
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = nVIDIA nFORCE Drivers v20.08
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = nVIDIA ForceWare v182.20
Sound Card Drivers Version = 5.10
BIOS version 1002
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 7.5
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Synch
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 20
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = 4
tRC = 28
tWR = 12
tWTR = 16
tFAW = 17
tRD = 9
tRTP = 5
tRFC = 60
tREF = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.225
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.5
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.28
Memory Voltage = 1.78
NB Core Voltage = 1.44
SB Core Voltage = 1.5
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Disabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Set these values in bios exactly as here. You shouldn't ignore PC Probe, it shows you the actual voltage. What you can do in PC Probe, click "config" button then go to Preference and set Polling Interval to 1 second and if you want uncheck "Message Box" and "Audio Alert".
When you say failed, do you mean freezing, blue screen of death/system crash, restart or prime95 crash?
last night i ran small FFT for 8 hours because i was asleep and 3 hours of blend doing perfect now
so ill turn down NB voltage a little and start the 8 hour blend
1st lower VTT to 1.24v then run prime95 blend for 2 hours, if this is too low you would get a failing core. If not proceed to the next step.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
The simplest way to find what northbridge voltage you need is this:
Download and install GPU Caps Viewer v1.6.2 here http://www.geeks3d.com/wp-content/pl...load.php?id=22. Now start this program and on the bottom left click Fur Rendering, now on window size type your max desktop resolution available with 4x MSAA. At the same time run prime95 blend. If you have too low of NB voltage, it will crash within minutes. Increase only a notch each time and repeat until you pass these two stressing programs together for at least an hour. Then you can say you are finally stable. This part is easy, you won't even need luck :up:
hey thanks for all your help
the only thing is that i had to put VTT 1 notch higher its at 1.30 now
and NB is at 1.44 i think its been sometime since i last checked
so if it starts crashing again ill let you know after i take a look myself
thanks again
The freezing you got was from low RAM voltage.
Well its up to you if you want to go lower on NB, that voltage is safe but the lowest the better as long as its stable. From my experience I would say start from 1.38v, if it's unstable running both prime95 and gpu caps viewer will crash within 15 minutes tops. In my case I raised NB just a notch while I was working on high FSB and it did the trick.
No worries mate. Have fun gaming :up:
Sorry for not posting in the last couple of days, I tested the new settings. It seemly worked flawlessly, no crashes, no annoying sound from the cooler, but today, the loud noise of the fan has returned. I wonder, what if I unplug that fan, how would it affect on the temperatures? I mean would it have some noticable disadvantage for the performance? Its the case fan that draws the air out of the casing.
Thanks for the for the suggestions majorfu. And you're right, I might shouldn't have to buy this config, but shamefully I cannot change this anymore... I'll check back soon.
Here's a simple video of making your fan less noisy and at the same time faster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkweJKSOYgoQuote:
Originally Posted by Dan7e
If the noise is still too much, connect the fan to any of CHASIS or OPT then go to BIOS>Power>Hardware Monitor>Fan Control> then reduce the percentage of the corresponding fan's duty cycle. You can check for RPM on Fan Monitoring. :up:
hmmmzz my pc crashed 3 times today
i think its rather odd since the gpu test together with the blend ran for 3 hours straight without any problems
What error do you get? Do you remember what were you doing when crashed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
You might have faulty ram.
just gaming like always but i dont get an error it just freezes again
Ok change the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
Memory Timings:
tRC: 40
tRFC: 80
Overvoltage:
Memory Voltage: 1.8
Make sure nb is 1.44.
Test these and if it freezes again then go to Memory Timings and set P1 and P2 to auto, you will loose a bit performance though.
If it still freezes then test your memory with memtest86+ bootable iso (burn it on cd and leave it running for 10 loops) for errors.
If no errors are found, try single dimm.
I am at my wits end with this board by now. After so many crashes and blue screens, the board will refuse to boot into windows. I get the message "no system disk found. Please insert system disk and press enter." Initially I thought the bad overclock had corrupted my hard drive. But no, I popped in Acronis trueimage, booted into windows just fine. I then changed the BIOS settings to boot back from the Hard drive first, and it worked first time.
So, having checked out that all was fine on my hard drive I loaded defaults. Oh, and what do you know, "system disk could not be found.. blah blah blah". So, I went back to BIOS, changed boot device priority to cd rom only, rest disabled. And tried booting up (with nothing in the cd drive). I got that message, as expected, so I reset, and changed it back to hard drive boot, and it booted into windows just fine.
I have no clue what's going on here, I have latest BIOS (1104). ASUS tech support just don't want to know basically.
Anyone have any ideas why this is happening?
Thanks in advance guys.
EDIT - It wont "find" the boot hard drive with any overclocked settings now. I have to load defaults, change boot device priority to cd rom, then try to boot, then change back to hard drive, and only then it will boot, albeit with default stock settings. Can't load a known stable overclock at 1333 fsb now (3.0 ghz Q6600).
disable Plug and Play OS, while you are at it set primary display adapter to pci express. leave boot order to hard disk and check out hard drives option to make sure ur hard drive is there. Extra things to do: leave South bridge voltage to 1.5, LDT Frequency = 5x, PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100, PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100, SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200.
Yeah, tried that mate. The hard drive is being recognized alright in the BIOS, Plug and play OS is disabled on default settings. I also tried SPP<> MCP 200, no effect. The ONLY way I can boot at higher frequencies now is to use CPU level up. If I select it to run cpu level up to get my Q6600 to 3ghz, it'll boot up fine. BUT, if I set fsb to 1333mhz. Oh no! You cant do that! You dont have a system disk! I've had this problem before, but I re-imaged the HDD everytime. Seing as its not a HDD problem, I thought I'd sort out this mobo, and why its doing it.
The black screen and a white message says : "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER."
I am really really really annoyed with this board by now. :(
EDIT - after running 1333fsb via cpu level up, I have just booted into windows with 1400 fsb. What the HELL?!?
Try these:Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Insert your operating system installation cd or dvd. Just make sure its the same you used to install it and try to boot from HDD
Disable jmicron and sata raid. If you OS is vista insert vista dvd (that has the repair feature) and click Repair my Computer> startup
What model is your ram? what are you running it at?
Thanks for your reply mate.
Ram is Corsair XMS3 1333C9DHX. Everything is on AUTO. I have set command rate to 2T before, as it supposedly helps stability with this board. Running it at 1333mhz as its suposed to be.
As for repairing my Vista install, it is not needed. I just load up defaults in BIOS, and set Boot device priority to CD rom ONLY. Then let it search for a cd, and when it doesnt find anything, I reset, change boot device priority to Hard drive, and it'll boot up from the hard drive just fine, as if nothing had ever happened to it.
Its worth trying dont you think? While its doing the problem I mean. I suggest changing PnP OS to enabled, boot priority to Hard Drive.
x64 or x86? It might be boot the boot loader. Don't use Level Ups, go manual. Keep FSB linked and synced with ram at 1333 with enough vcore (I would say 1.34~1.36) and stock voltage and timings on ram (check on manufacturers homepage), PLL at 1.52, VTT at 1.34, NB 1.44, SB 1.5, CPU GTL refs +42 +39 +39 +42, NB and DDR3 REFS on auto.
When you say Auto, do you mean voltages, timings? Do you overclock with auto?
x64 vista. I did have x86, and the same problem happened with that as well. As for this error it doesnt happen anymore. I've deliberately bluescreened it by not giving it enough voltages. It has booted up just fine 3 times in a row now. As for PnP OS, I thought you said to disable it 2 posts back? If this problem happens again, I will be sure to try repairing vista with the boot cd.
When I say AUTO I mean everything that I didn't otherwise specify. I have got it running 1500 fsb now, but for some reason my Q6600 needs a LOT of vcore. 1.536v after vdrop just to stay stable at 3.375 ghz.
PNP OS should be disabled when using Raid or having boot issues IMO. Way too much, if your VID is 1.26 you would need 1.34 to 1.36 max with Loadline Calibration. With LLC I need 1.42 for 3.6 GHz and 1.54 for 3.8GHz and 1.6 for 4.05GHz. Oh yeah, forgot to mention my cpu is q6600. Are you running 1500 MHz ram too?
PnP OS is disabled now, no issues at the moment. No, running RAM at stock 1333 mhz at stock timings with 1T command rate. Should I set it to 2T?
VID of my cpu is 1.3v. I've set vcore to 1.475 with loadline calibration off. I cannot run 3.6ghz with 1.5vcore and loadline calibration enabled. Always a blue screen or a restart. Sometimes a quick blue screen saying "Parity check/ memory error" then a restart.
Settings I'm using are:
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Zalman HP-1000
CPU = Intel Q6600
RAM = Corsair XMS3 1333 mhx C9DHX 1gb x 4
HDD = Samsung Spinpoint F1 640gb
VGA1 = BFG 9800 GTX+
VGA2 ( if you have ) = BFG 9800 GTX+
VGA3 ( if you have ) =
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Creative X-Fi Titanium
NorthBridge Cooling = Stock
SouthBridge Cooling = Stock
CPU Cooling = Noctua UH-12
RAM Cooling = Corsair dominator airflow fan
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 181.22
Sound Card Drivers Version = Cant remember
BIOS version :1104
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9x
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Unlinked
FSB - Memory Ratio =
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1500
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = Auto (9)
tRCD = Auto (9)
tRP = Auto (9)
tRAS = Auto (24)
Command Per Clock (CMD) = Auto (1T)
tRRD = Auto
tRC = Auto
tWR = Auto
tWTR = Auto
tFAW = Auto
tRD = Auto
tRTP = Auto
tRFC = Auto
tREF = Auto
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.475
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto (1.52)
CPU VTT Voltage = Auto (1.42)
Memory Voltage = Auto (1.66)
NB Core Voltage = 1.44 (1.45/46)
SB Core Voltage = Auto (1.5)
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = Auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Any suggestions to that? Thank for your help so far mate, I really really appreciate it.
EDIT - It Froze on a BSOD stop 1
EDIT - It blue screened during OCCT and stayed there until I reset it.
I tried 2T, and it froze up and bluscreend, and then restarted. I've given it more vcore (1.425 with loadline cal enabled, and 2T now).
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9x
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Unlinked
FSB - Memory Ratio =
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333 You will be unstable on ratios other than 1:1, 1:2, 3:2. Stick to this for now.
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 9 set it manualy
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T That's why u got BSOD at startup
tRRD = Auto
tRC = Auto
tWR = Auto
tWTR = Auto
tFAW = Auto
tRD = Auto
tRTP = Auto
tRFC = Auto
tREF = Auto
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.39 On load it will drop to 1.36-1.37
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.52
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.34
Memory Voltage = 1.6 Your memory is designed for 1.6v, even with corsair dominator 1.66 (1.68-1.7v actual) was too much.
NB Core Voltage = 1.44
SB Core Voltage = 1.5
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
OK, set everything like you said there. Boots up fine. My RAM has a sticker that says 9-9-9-24 1.5v on their sides. Dont know if that helps? Actual reported voltages by EVEREST are now:
Vcore: 1.46
VTT: 1.36/38
PLL: 1.55
VDIMM: 1.66/68
NB : 1.47
SB: 1.49/50
Cpu-Z reports: 1.456 IDLE, and 1.408 LOAD.
What next?
Jesus! :shocked: There's a great chance you damaged your ram, I thought it was the model that runs on 1.6v :shrug: Mate, check the stickers on all of your ram, if all say 1.5v then set 1.5 on Memory Votlage ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Use PC Probe to monitor voltages, temps and fan rpm's. If you set 1.39vCore in bios and loadline calibration (LLC) disabled it should be at 1.4 and should drop at 1.36 to 1.37 on load. Verify this in bios, Power> Hardware Monitor>Voltage Monitor
Set RAM to 1.5v. I didnt think too much of it at first, They've been getting 1.66 v from the board since September last year. When I first built the pc, I did not have a clue about voltages etc. So on stock its been getting .16v over what its rated for. My RAM reports no errors in Memtest anyway, did 2 full passes. Surely they'd be getting problems by now? Maybe i am just REALLY REALLY lucky that they arent produced errors yet?
As for vcore, I just checked in BIOS voltage monitor, Vcore reports as : 1.44. Cpu-z (v1.50) in windows idle reports 1.456v. Load is 1.392v. These voltages seem all over the place dont they? LLC is disabled.
Luck is not enough, DDR3 is sensitive to votlages, 2 memtest86+ passes is not enough, leave it overnight or at least 6-12 loopss to check for any errors. To be honest I think you should try booting with 1.36v actual in bios (on load 1.30 -1.31) and run small FFT's in prime95. If it's unstable it should BSOD you immediately.
well the most stable setting I have found so far ir running the cpu on auto and setting that ram profile as suggested by the mfr:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
XMP profile XMP-1600
Specification PC3-12800
Voltage level 1.900 Volts
Min Cycle time 1.250 ns (800 MHz)
Min tRP 8.75 ns
Min tRCD 8.75 ns
Min tWR 12.50 ns
Min tRAS 22.50 ns
Min tRC 37.50 ns
Min tRFC 75.00 ns
Min tRTP 7.50 ns
Min tRRD 7.50 ns
Command Rate 2T
Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 800
CAS# 7.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 7
RAS# Precharge 7
TRAS 18
TRC 30
If i up the cpu to 1600 it crashes and if i reduce the ram its prolly gonna work ok but the timing table at 667 is fa!l
Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 444 519 593 667 741
CAS# 6.0 7.0 8.0 9.0 10.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 6 8 9 10 11
RAS# Precharge 6 8 9 10 11
TRAS 16 19 22 25 27
TRC 22 26 30 34 37
I'll run memtest all day tomorrow then, as I'm in uni all day :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
I set Vcore to 1.361v. Its been running Prime95 for 10 minutes with no problems so far. Vcore drops to 1.376 according to cpu-z v1.50.
As for my VDIMM now, I set 1.5v in BIOS. Everest reports 1.58/59v.
What should I do now? vcore seems a lot higher than what it should be yes?
That's because your cpu needs more voltage. You could try running ram at stock timings, that is most on Auto (including DDR3 REFs) except tCL, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, tRC and tRFC and stock voltage (not the actual, if it says 1.9 then set 1.9 in bios for now).
I don't think cpu-z or everest should be trusted with this board. From my experience, your ram is probably running at 1.52 - 1.54v. On vCore I meant the actual voltage (in bios or pc probe II) should be at 1.36v.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
You know where I can get an older version of cpu-z? As I think 1.44 or something like that reported voltages closer to what I set them to...
EDIT - Ill install PC Probe II, see what it says..
These board utilities piss me off when I have to install them too :yepp: But since I need them... :shrug:
PC Probe II reports Vcore as 1.42, Load it goes down to 1.38v. Is this OK?
EDIT - So long as I know what they are set at, there should be no problems right?
Yeah. Set vCore at 1.3 in bios and check PC probe for the actual. You goal is 1.36 actual. What does pc probe say about ram voltage?
I set vcore to 1.3v, and as it booted it restarted. BIOS reported 1.36v, but couldnt get it into windows with those volts. I've set it at 1.325v now. ASUS PC probe reports 1.38 vcore, and 1.58 VDIMM.
EDIT - 1.35vcore seems stable so far.. done 15 minutes,
Hm, VID does make a bigger difference than I thought. Same scenario though find where you are stable with small fft's at least an hour and once you think you found the appropriate run prime95 again for at least 4 hours. Hm, vdimm is still quite high, but from what I understand you report the highest value you detect rather the dominant/average. Perhaps you can average it at 1.52 actual thus 1.48 in bios. But to find the appropriate ram voltage (though on stock timings and frequencies) there's technique I found that works great. Run IntelBurnTest latest version, maximum stress and monitor cpu and ram usage (task manager is fine, performance tab). This only takes a minute, once you run IBT it consumes all of your memory then it starts stressing CPU, once it starts on CPU exit, do this twice. You see if ram voltage is low, this technique will freeze your pc. Once you find the voltage that is stable test it with prime95 blend for at least 4 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Edit: I just remembered, memtest for windows does the same memory consuption. It might be best to use that instead.
Lowest I can set RAM voltage is 1.5v. I did try the technique you suggested just now. I did it 4 times, just to be safe, didn't freeze at all. Running Stock frequencies and timings but with 2T command rate. maybe try 1T?
EDIT - Dont know if my RAM is totally OK though. i was just watching a video, and was surfing the web, and it sort of "froze" for 1 second with the sound looping in the vid, like a short stutter. But its ok after that.
I'm not the one to make that decision for you. But I can tell you my opinion, it would probably create instabilities and the performance you get out of it is little. It will not harm your ram but there's a slim chance it might corrupt your OS. You are better of enabling P1 and P2 since it takes it out on vNB (1.44 is fine for your system IMO), which enhances some mch internal timings which gives you some memory read/write improvements.
EDIT: AnandTech suggests that 1T would be good up to DDR3-1860 with 2GB ram. You fit the speed, but not the size. I am not saying there's no chance but I can say that it will be hard.
Alright, i'll leave it at 2T for now. Ill forget P1 and P2 for now as well. Ill run memtest all day tomorrow then, see what it'll show.
That would be a good idea, especially before these 2 changes.
oke i ran the test blend and fur rending it did not crash with
tRC 40
TRFc 80
p1/2 enabled
nb 1.40
mem/ 1.80
althought core 1/2/4 got fatal error's
Dont run it any more, you need to make your system stable first. Increase VTT to 1.34 in bios and for now set NB back to 1.44.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
This time run only prime95 blend. Out of curiosity, when (as in how many minutes of testing) did u get the failing cores?
i ran the test an hour while watching series but if i remember correctly i core failed after 10 min and round 30 and 50
Devour how's it going with the new settings? Also tell me when your VTT voltage turns yellow after increasing it.
Just to let you know. I asked on the Corsair forums, and the RAM should be OK up to 1.7v, so no worries. I ran memtest with 1.6v in BIOS (as this is what the mobo gives it when defaults are loaded and I saw no problems with this setting). I let it run for 10 hours whilst I was away, did 47 passes. So, thank god, my RAM is fine and dandy.
I can rule out my ram now, as its good. Cibic, you said before that I will not get this board stable on a ratio other than 1:1, 1:2, 3:2? So no matter what I do, I wont find stability if I for example set fsb to 1400 and ram to 1333, as it would use another ratio, correct?
EDIT - What is the general consensus on Loadline Calibration? Good thing or bad thing? My clock is stable (so far) with 1520 fsb, 1.425 vcore with loadline calibration ENABLED.
EDIT2- I am using the latest PC Probe II, and SB voltage, is sometimes dropping to 0.00v and OPT3 fan drops to 0 rpm during stress testing. Should I be worried?
I am afraid so. I wouldn't mind if you proved me wrong though, make sure you are stable for a week or so. I would keep ram voltage at minimal operating. Since your memory goes up to 1.7v then that leaves you room to raise frequency, but be conservative. You must make sure ram is stable first so you get that out of the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Voltage hurts chips more than frequency. Anandtech found that LLC needs bit more vcore on load, also if you have vcore without LLC and on load 1.45, having LLC enabled at 1.45vCore again consumes more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
I would say if you are going over 1.5v consider enabling it. But its really up to you.
No, its just a misreading, if that were true then your system would have crashed quite a few times. I get that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Glad to hear that its the ASUS software playing up. I am not going to push RAM. Its stable at these settings, so find out if my cpu is stable at 1520 fsb now. Thanks very much for your continued advice Cibic. You've got to appreciate that I only had experience in clocking an ancient socket 478 board before this, and that wasnt really succesful. I chose the wrong board to begin my overclocking, that's for sure. It sure can get you depressed and angry when you are unsure of what you are doing. Especially this little habit of "ignoring" my boot hard drive when I've pushed PLL or FSB further than it likes.
I'll post back when I find a stable 1520 fsb OC, see if my voltages are ok. temps are under 70 degrees on load anyway.
If your q6600 is B3 stepping then ur temp is high, if its a G0 try not to go over 66.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
That's how I destroyed my first ram, it was defective anyway so I've overvolted it from 1.9 to 2.1 ddr3 and even more problems raised.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Got it stable at 1600 x8 (3200mhz) with 1.4v in BIOS and loadline off. The highest I can get it is 3420 mhz (1520fsb) with 1.475vcore. But I have been notified that the ASUS PC Probe II readings are due to electromigration. I lowered vcore so that BIOS reported less than 1.5v, and PC Probe II behaved itself nicely.
The max I want to run this cpu is 3.2ghz 24/7. It is not worth it pushing so many volts just to gain 200 mhz. RAM is supposed to be warranted up to 2v, but I am not going to bother clocking them. Seeing that I've got 1600 fsb stable, I thought I might invest in some 1600 mhz RAM. I'm looking for 4gb (2 x 2gb) is there any good kits that anyone recommends on this board? Which are known to be stable with 1600 fsb?
That is correct about electromigration, but that's just a hazard from overclocking. Boards can take it, still nothing to worry about or to take into account about limitation of a clock. This happens when all of your system is tested.
For instance, name an application that uses all four cores 100% or anything that uses all 4 gigs of your ram, besides stressing programs. The most torture your system will ever get is by prime95 blend and gpu caps viewer combined. I personally can't think of something else but even if you could, for how long will you run it?
At school I've been told that any chip should not get hotter than 43 Celsius but here we are with our gpus running at safe temperatures at 90 Celsius.
EDIT: I remember getting that too from PC probe at 1.42vCore and 3.6GHz
I bet it crashes on you if u go over 1520 FSB no matter how much voltage u through at it. If that's the case, I don't like saying it again, but it could be that you are not running FSB equal to your ram(i mean 1:2 ratio, or linked and synced). I am quite certain you can do 3.6 GHz at about 1.47v (even B3's q6600 can do that, which I worked with in the past) on load (LLC enabled). 1600 FSB with 9x multi does the job (400x9). Are you sure your ram is warranted up to 2v? That sounds bit too high for DDR3 and from 1.5v to 2v.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
By the way, I just got my old ram OCZ DDR3 PC12800 1600 MHz at 7-7-7-24 1.9v replaced after an RMA request to OCZ from me and they are new/unused. I am only saying this because you live in UK if i got it right.
just a question if i change VTT to 1.34 it would say its yellow how bad is it for my pc ? just wanted to ask befor i try it
Hey, majorfu, thanks for that link. My fan however isn't loud all the time, but occasionly. The loud noise starts usually after a couple of seconds (but there was time when it waited for one minute or so, and started after), however not at every boot. And sometimes after I shut down the pc, and rebooting it, the noise starts over, however not every time. But. After this kind of reboot(first boot, loud fan, reboot, no loud noise), when doing something like rendering or converting a video, the machine freezes. When there's no loud fan noise, when booting the pc for the first time, there's no freezes as well. These are the same with, our without your latest suggestion of changing in the bios... And I don't think it's the fan. AS I remember, the fan started making the loud noises right after I updated the bios to 1104. I know there's much to do but I need this pc for my work. And of course I really do appriciate your hard work helping us, guys.
Unfortunately, I'm running RAM at 1066 mhz now, with fsb on 1600 (3:2). It is stable with an 8x multi. But the chip needs 1.4v in BIOS, (cpu-z windows idle reports 1.456). If it needs this much voltage for 3.2ghz, then I'm not realistically going to get 3.2ghz am I? It is very sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Why are you running your ram at 1066, when its rated for 1333, and will probally do 1600-1700mgz, why dont you run 1:2 linked synced ? that is the best performance ration for this board.
Because I'm running 4 modules, and I've been told on the Corsair forums that it isnt advised running them at 1333mhz. I did try running them at 1600 mhz, 9-9-9-24 with a command rate of 2T but memtest encountered "an unecpected problem". SO i dunno what to do.
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i posted a reply on page 17 but noone replied. can anyone please help me?
I overclocked my ram to 1600 mhz from stock 1333, fsb is 1600mhz. Timings were 9-9-9-24-2T. it passed 16 passes memtest no problem. But Vista froze after 5 minutes. Any sugestions? RAM voltage used was 1.6 in BIOS (actual 1.66). RAM is supposed to run 1333mhz 9-9-9-24 @ 1.5v, but I've been told tehy're ok up to 1.7v.
Let me get this straight, you have ddr3 1333mgz, and someone is advising you to run them at 1066 ? thats insane, why would you even want ddr3 if you had to run at 1066, thats ddr2 speed, heck 1333 is ddr2 speed.
4x2 4x1 with a quad on this board is going to be hard to overclock, very few boards overclock quads well, this board will get about 485fsb on a quad, q6660 not sure, a 9650 would be much better, there is no point in running ddr3 if your not at least going 1600mgz to 1800mgz at the least, there is no gain over ddr2 below 1600mgz.
Why dont you go to the striker 2 extreme thread on here, this is the corruption thread, and post your bios settings, and im sure you will get more help there.
Ok mate, I initially had corruption issues, but now its "fairly" stable and not ingoring my HDDS I'll migrate threads. Thanks for you advice.
No problem, the other thread is alot more active, alot of users with this board, this thread is kinda dead. Post your setting there, the whole bios settings, let me know if i can help you.
the thing is, you shouldn't need more than the auto. Anyhow, the dangerous part is if it gets red. Try to find the voltage that doesn't give you a failing core. It might be that ram's fault though, test it with memtest for at least 10 passes to make sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
If your cpu passes small fft's for at least 2 hours, then there's a chance that your cpu is stable. It might be something else causing instability.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
That's the point, lol. It doesn't even get that far with any voltage up to 1.5vcore in BIOS, and Loadline Enabled. With that high a voltage my Noctua Uh12p just can't cope and temps soar quickly into the 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Freezing means it needs more voltage or too tight timings, remember the actual votlage should be the average/dominant in bios hardware monitor or pc probe II.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Settings to hit 1600 MHz
Memory voltage 1.68
9-9-9-30
tRC: 50
tRFC: 100
P1 and P2 to auto, you can enable these with 1.46 NB and after your are stable without them.