That's about my last results: 487 stable at 1.344v.
But you may want to watch out for the northbridge volt.
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That's about my last results: 487 stable at 1.344v.
But you may want to watch out for the northbridge volt.
After killing my Maximus Formula, I tossed my X3350 into my P5E-VM HDMI.
Also did the pencil vdroop mod and now:
VCORE BIOS set 1.3875 V
Full load CPU-Z 1.344 V
much better than BIOS set 1.525 V for 1.3360 V heh.
Sold my first OEM X3350 for $400. Picked up a Retail version for $339.
This one Core 2 runs 16C hotter than the coolest core. Whereas the first OEM only had an 8C Spread over the 4 cores. Howver this run ones at 3.840 (480x8) with less VCore and FSB Vtt.
Tried this X3350 in a Maximus, a Rampage and a P5E3 Premium. Core 2 runs a lot hotter than the others. But it out performs the first X3350 which ran cooler. OH Well, the retail version has a 3 year warranty.
Here are my 3D Screen shots and ORB Link.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6479455
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/234...50at380qz7.png
Here is Pic from the first X3350.
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6...50at380tw3.png
I got almost identical results... go figure, since I have an x3350 with a 1.20 vid on an ip35 pro:) What are your cpuvtt, mch, ichio, and ich?
btw, notice that our temps are very similar, too. I believe that graysky is using coretemp's 105c tjmax assumption instead of realtemp's 95c tjmax. Will verify with him and report back.
Here are my #'s:
Results for x264.exe v0.58.747
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System Details
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Name Intel Xeon X3350
Codename Yorkfield
Specification Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3350 @ 2.66GHz
Core Stepping C1
Technology 45 nm
Stock frequency 2666 MHz
Core Speed 3600.0 MHz (8.0 x 450.0 MHz)
FID range 6.0x - 8.0x
Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge Intel 82801IR (ICH9R) rev. 02
CAS# 5.0
RAS# to CAS# 5
RAS# Precharge 5
Cycle Time (tRAS) 18
Command Rate 2T
Memory Frequency 540.0 MHz (5:6)
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Channels Dual (Symmetric)
Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
max VID 1.200 V
Voltage sensor 0 1.09 Volts [0x88] (VIN0)
Voltage sensor 0 1.28 Volts [0x80] (CPU Core)
Number of processors 1
Number of threads 4
Number of threads 4 (max 4)
L2 cache 2 x 6144 KBytes, 24-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 4h)
Temperature sensor 0 53°C (127°F) [0x35] (CPU)
Temperature sensor 1 28°C (82°F) [0x1C] (System)
Temperature sensor 2 50°C (121°F) [0x32] (PWM)
Temperature sensor 3 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 2)
Temperature sensor 4 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 3)
Temperature sensor 5 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 4)
Temperature sensor 6 0°C (32°F) [0x0] (PWM Phase 5)
Temperature sensor 0 68°C (154°F) [0x25] (core #0)
Temperature sensor 3 66°C (150°F) [0x27] (core #3)
Temperature sensor 2 64°C (147°F) [0x29] (core #2)
Temperature sensor 1 63°C (145°F) [0x2A] (core #1)
Temperature sensor 0 33°C (91°F) [0x21] (GPU Core)
I've also got a X3350 in an IP35 pro and I have had SERIOUS issues getting it stable at anything over 450fsb. I've pushed voltages up much higher than what i needed for 3.56ghz and stability is still hard to come by at 3.6+
What program did you guys use to get that data dump you posted here?
525 fsb last night on p5e-vm hdmi
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...91#post2955691
Got my Rampage Formula with X3350 to 3.8 too.
The Asus Rampage Formula is the board to have is you want to OC to the Max a X3350 or any CPU. It has the most BIOS parameters that can be tweaked.
The P5E3 Premium runs into instability issues above 450FSB. I believe it is due to the Asus EPU Energy Savings Feature. Plus it does not have all of the Bios features that are within the Rampages BIOS.
And the Maximus ran into stability issues above 440FSB.
Thinking of picking up a FoxConn Blackops when they come out. Really want an X48 Mobo that uses DDR3 that can OC to at least 480FSB like the Rampage Formula. The P5E3 Premium wasn't the Mobo that could do that.
What the hell!!
My multiplier got stuck at 6 even though I forced it to 8 in BIOS.
I was playing around with my pencilled vDroop mod and bam! my computer rebooted (bad idea to do this live I guess haha), but I wanted to monitor how much my vCore was changing.
Cleaned it up, re-did it, and now my multi is stuck at 6 even though when I boot it shows up as 3.8 GHz :( 475x8, in Windows it's 475x6... argh!
Temperatures are still great too, and I put a fan over the MOSFETs in case it was throttling itself (much like my P5K-VM did before it exploded with a Q6600 in there).
EDIT:
I disabled TM2 and now it's 8x475. Weeeeird.
Disable EIST and co you will be dine if the board posts at 3.8Ghz you didn't have all energy saving features disabled... I got the inverse lol I set 11 multi and yet it only posted with 9x due to bios issues...
I am using bios 0401 now. I don't really see a change.
I tried to see if my overclock was still stable with a safe FSB VTT but nope.
Someone else succeeded to be stable at 3.8GHz with that voltage at 1.31V though so it's probably my chip.
It seems I could boot at 4GHz more easily with 0401...
This rig is a bit busy atm so I can't run stability tests for hours like before.
We need a new guinea pig ;)
I was able to get my 3.8 GHz back after disabling the thermal throttling, but something's unstable with my overclock.. When I checked my computer this morning it looked as if it was rebooted (fresh Windows desktop, no apps running). I'm -hoping- it was Windows auto-updates but I can't be certain.
This is nonsense, Maximus runs fine up to $75-480 or even higher with any other CPU than these Penryns and you can use Rampage BIOS in Maximus (not a surprise, they are exactly the same chipset).
It's time for ASUS to release a fix for Maximus or come forward and admit they simply screwed us and they don't give a *&^% about it anymore.
My P5E (Flashed to Rampage) still has 450Mhz FSB problems. What tricks can I try to get my X3360 over the FSB Limit?
I have the latest beta bios (308):cool:
Anyone got a L808 Batch here ?
Tried two different P5E-VM HDMI motherboards ... it's a little more stable but still reboots after extended period of gaming. Dropped the OC down a notch (8x467@1.336V load) to see if it'll help... D:
asus is too busy focusing on producing + releasing a lots of version of motherboard... after launching, then they just simply ignore the after sales support... :|
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I am one of 5 Asus Motherboard Moderators that has a connection straight to the Taiwans BIOS Department. And what Fixer says is correct.
http://vip.asus.com/forum/profile_vi...ge=1&count=244
Kensek,
Please update us if there are new bios fix the c1 quad core high fsb issue !
I am now limited to 450x8 1.24v at P5K-E.... MyQ9450 should be able to go further...:)
It's all about voltages. A CPU FSB of 400 usually requires 1.63v on the NB. 450 FSB 1.67-1.70v. 475FSB 1.70v+
Also the CPU needs 1.325 for 450FSB. and with VDroop 1.355v.
If your your BIOS doesn't have the full barrage of Voltage adjustments you are screwed, more than likely.
You need to tweak NB to 1.75v, CPU Pll to 1.75v, FSB vtt to 1.50v, CPU to 1.45v, sb to 1.175v, etc.
Isnt CPU PLL and VTT voltages a little excessive?
Look at my Voltages when my X3350 is running at 480x8 on my Rampage. They are shown previously in this thread.
Anyone looking to run a CPU FSB >450 with a NB lower than 1.60v is living in a Fantasy world.
Hmmm...?
3.6Ghz with 1.25v NB here on a P5K-E (maybe just a nice chip/mobo fluke?):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=333
Just tested the Q6600, 475*6 is PRIMEABLE & stable with Same P5K-E wifi pcb1.03
vCPU 1.325v
vFSB 1.3v,
vCPU PLL 1.6v,
vNB 1.4v
Load line calibration enabled
Same P5K-E wifi pcb1.03 (P5K Premium pcb) For the Q9450 it is primeable 6hrs large fft at 450*8 at bios 1.2625v CPU, vNB 1.25v, vFSB 1.3v vCPU PLL 1.6v. But at 475x8, I set all highest voltage with active cooling fan blowing.... Still cannot load in to windows. System hangs !
So, 2 answers: my CPU fsb wall or the bios issue !
Btw, the vNB 1.25v is me !
this is madness!! but seriously you'll probably burn up your mobo with 1.6v+, +1 with mach82.
it takes 1.4v for 450fsb, with 4dimms 1:1, Plvl 2 (=8) on my P5K-E. The only reason i cannot go lower is because 1.25v on the NB bugs out and is actually 1.55v.
If you can run those low Voltages on a Rampage or a P5E3 Premium, then I'm doing something wrong.
My P5E3 premium couldn't do anything higher than 450x8.
The maximus did only 440x8.
The Rampage, I'll blow that mother up. But it runs super cool. NB SB at 30C at those voltages on Air.
Anybody know what the Phase pull down thingy does in the Rampage bios?
That's seriously too high. Maybe you should try loosening RAM timing, or lowering RAM frequency to 1:1. On my ASUS P5E-VM HDMI, 450FSB requires only 1.25v or 1.35v on the NB with the IGP. 475 requires 1.41v, or 1.51v with the IGP, and 500 (stable) requires 1.55v, or 1.65v with the IGP.
i failed to go above 450fsb for my x3350 on p5e3 premium with bios 0401. then i flashed to 0204 bios and i manage to hit till 473.
here is the setting i use:
vcore 1.36
cpu gtl 0.66 & 0.67
vtt 1.36
vdimm 1.8
vnb 1.41
nb gtl 0.67
sb auto
it might be not prime95 stable, but multiple PI 32m is no problem..
but then the 0204 bios is not good enuf, i failed to enter my vista few times. i thought my oc screwed up my os but then i realize it was bios issue.
i flashed back to 0401 and guess who's back again.... the 450 fsb wall :(
so it's not about the voltage settings, i'm pretty sure most of us here is experience enuff to test it step by step and to know whether it is insufficient voltage or other matters that cause the oc to fail...
Still waiting on my X3350 to ship..... :/
My P5K seems weak though, cant seem to push the PL at all and with an E4300 333fsb is absolute tops..
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0_6.html#sect0
Look at the link above. They tested a Q9300 at 467x7.5. NB = 1.65v and CPU pll was 2.00V.
I sold all of my X3350's now, so I can't play around with them.
Might get a Q9650 when they come out in 2 months for $540.
Or I may try another QX9650, but my first one couldn't even do 4.0GHz - so I sold it.
All I want to do is to find a Quad that can do 4.0GHz on air.
My Old Q6600 could do 433x9 on Air for 3.9GHz. Therefore I thought a Q6700 with a 10 multi would get me there. So I spent $275 for a new retail Q6700. What a disappointment - it can only run up to 375 x 10.
Or so we all hope at this point. Paying $300 for a motherboard, only to be beaten by a $120 board can be quite frustrating sometimes. Heck, the chipset on the cheaper board doesn't even look like it was meant for extreme overclocks. (and yet it still did some extreme clocks)
yeah, i hope ASUS can open their eyes to accept the truth that it is the bios that need to be tweaked.. not the setting :P
Kensek - Since you've got contacts in the BIOS department can you have them look into whats different between the chipset strap/timings of the P5K and P5E?
OK I E-mailed my contact your question. All I can tell you from my past inquireries is that each board has its own BIOS department.
And once a board gets so old the BIOS support is no longer active on that board but has been reassigned to the newest model.
And when I'm talking Old, I am not talking about years, but months.
Thats why in the 8 months I've had a P5K Deluxe, a Maximus Formula, a Rampage Formula and a P5E3 Premium.
P5K support is All but gone now and so is most of the X38 support.
rite now so many boards has been produce but does the engineer also become more efficient in their work?
when u say OLD is just for months, then that's why sometime they just leave things unfixed.. bcoz they already move to the next board..
board with has so potential, but spoil by human who works inefficiently..
sorry if my words are hash, but when u buy sthing that cost u almost of ur salary (the price for p5e3 premium in my place is RM1500, while average salary for fresh graduate is only RM2000) then u expect it to perform good, with fast and good supports from the manufacturer..
@Irenic
At least for you the P5E3 Premium is in its infancy. You can expect first tier BIOS support for the next 4 months.
I personally preferred the Rampage over the P5E3 Premium. There are no temps and voltages being monitored/captured on this board for the chipsets through Lavalys Everest and other third party monitoring software. Hence no NB, SB Temps being reported.
Man the voltages you described are so over the top unless you got a baord that undervolted big time... and surely not good for 24/7 45nm CPU settings...
Secondly it's normal that once a board gets mature like P35/X38 mobo's and most bugs are ironed out that Bios supports seems to slack...but after a few months that's way to soon... is it better to have a new bios each month, dunno...and not all problems can be solved via a bios update...
Each mobo it's own bios department ? that would mean an extra building at Asus just for bios development and wouldn't that also mean that bios release should be more responsive than it is at it's current rate...surely for the ROG range...
If they're dropping support after such short periods of time its no wonder people like me dont like asus and continually complain about quality :(
That's just my point Stevil they aren't... man we still get biosses for P5W Dlx, Asus Striker extreme and co... ofcourse at a certain date you cannot expect a bios update each week/month and like I stated before not all probs can be solved via the bios, some hardware is just incompatible...
too bad for enthusiast like us, there's no room for waiting.. how can u expect to wait 5 months for a bios update? while in 5 months we've been using 2-3 mainboards..
I've recently talked to a US Bio tech and they said the maximus extreme wasn't designed for the C1 stepping, and that makes me sad.
Sorry for asking a total noob question, but what's the difference between this and a Q9450.... If given the choice which would you buy :confused:
Normally Xeons are better binned CPU's, which normally means they run slightly better , you see that I use normally much as some Q9450 run better than some Xeons and other way around, you need to look for a good batch... and get that one... expect 3.6-3.8Ghz daily...
Would the X3350 work with my DFI LT X48? Also which batch codes to look out for and ones to avoide?
T2K -
If you can run a Q6600 at 433x9 or a X3350 at 470x8 (with C1E and EIST disabled and On Air) with a VGA 9800GTX OCd by 22% and DDR2 ram at 1150-1200 on less than a NB voltage of 1.60v on a Maximus, rampage or P5E3 Prime stable for 12 hours, I'll have Asus send you a Free Mobo.
Let's see the voltages and screen shots posted again at 480x8 on your Rampage!!!!
What would be the best mobo to put one of these on ? I read that just about every chipset has a moderate fsb wall , except maybe 790i , they seem to be clocking well .
:up:
Just dropped in another X3350, same pack date and everything as my previous one. VID = 1.0500
One thing to note is that my cores are all within 1C of each other, whereas my old one had two cores about 5-6 C lower than the other half.
EDIT:
Having trouble getting into windows stable at 480FSB. Don`t know if it`s this board or the CPU. I`m trying to sell off some parts so I can get another mobo :)
Ah nice, looks like I'll have to check it out tonight.
Just got my x3350 and a DFI Lanparty DK x38.
It's priming a 3.4 ghz 1.23 vcore and 1.34v NB atm and looks like it will be stable.
I got a huge problem with my RAM though. It's an apogee 1066 4B kit 5-5-5-15 2t. (2.2v)
Whenever i change settings from auto my system wont boot anymore and i have to reset cmos.
Is there any ram timing guide around here. (Most interested in the secondary timings if one can call them that) Didn't find anything useful with search.
I'd also be interested what voltages can be considered save for 24/7 use. Northbridge and CPU are watercooled.
Check your memory dividers and how they're set (333/667 or 333/800 or so).
1.34V for the NB might be a little low, try 1.45V and see if that works.
Just set your memory at 5-5-5-5-15 and the rest on AUTO, and 2.15V on them just to be sure.
I've got a X3350 here which won't work at all on both my DFI UT-P35's, but it does on the DK-P35. Weird.
I tell ya whats really funny is the ASUS P5E-VM HDMI OC's way above the P5E @ $100.00 less.
Divider is at 333/667. 400/800 results in same DDR freq but is not stable. Higher settings that result in 1066ish wont boot and need a cmos reset eventho the memory is 1066 memory.
Memory is set at 5-5-5-5-15 2.2v wich is the default settings and voltage it is specified @1066.
NB i had up to 1.6v but it doesn`t help.
Edit: The CPU has a C1 stepping. Bad news for me i guess?
Don`t get me wrong. 3.5 stable ain`t bad at all but i`d hate to run it at anything less then the maximum possible.
My Maximus booted fine with the Qx9650, E8300, E8400... and a QX9770 C1 stepping, now since monday it is on 1201 bios and it works fine here, no need to rant in each thread ya Anti Asus attitude , it doesn't help the dude with problems at all...
X38 is pretty hard to setup compared to P35 at high FSB, 4dimms and co only make it worse... and many users get lost in the settings and just up voltages...Bios updates will improve stuff...
It's Intel pulling our leg here with all these new demands, not the mobo manufacturers... the latter having a hard time to keep up with their revisions and bios programming...
I'm moving on to P45 once it pops up...
When is P45 expected ?
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Anyone else having trouble witht he RAM dividers? Basically 333/667 is the only one working as soon as i overclock the FSB. 400/800 is 1:1 too but not stable. All the others simply result in a needed cmos reset wich is kinda strange considering my memory could make at least 1066 and is set with the according timings and voltage.
Edit: got 437x8 primestable.
Anything above that is a no go (450 boots but freezes when i prime small FFTs after just 2 minutes) no matter how excessive voltage i feed. This is nuts. I am 100% sure the crappy X38 board is holding me back.
Any chance I'd get better results than ~3.4GHz with Q9450?
Solid boards, but the fact that they were not ready for 45nm, and clearly have a limitation in BIOS with overclocking (usually 440mhz FSB cap) which was similar to the 860mhz ATI HD3870 Core clock problem, I would have to say its a BIOS issue, or maybe the board physically cannot OC it more.
I wonder how P45 will do, but I probably wont be looking at P45 unless there are a few 16x/16x PCIE2.0 boards.
Same for me.
I simply don't understand why my X3350 won't run on both my UT-P35.
I hope that a future bios release will resolve the problem.
It looks like the 45nm fsb wall lingering on .
:shrug:
It's a Maximus Formula and my previous CPU - Q6600 G0 - was running ~475 stable everyday - above 3800MHz -, with ~1.5V NB, memory at ~1100MHz.
FYI: recently this was my everyday configuration (I use water) until I sold my G6600.
ASUS can send me my new, Penryn-capable mobo, PM me for my address.:cool:
Well, I've running my QX9650 at 10x400mhz until recently. I've gone through total six Q9450 I got from a local Fry's. They were all from the same batch with the same pack date, and they couldn't run at 450mhz and up FSB.
Then QX9650 surprised me by running 2 hours of OCCT rock solid at 8.5x450mhz. I had to give NB 1.50V though.
I would like to state that I'm new to overclocking so, please bare with me.
I'm currently having some slight trouble with my overclock. Before I state my problem, I would like to request some specific information from you fellow overclockers. I would like to know all your voltage settings, the exact number of your FSB and multiplier, and your motherboard(please state model number and chispet).
Currently I'm having freezing(yes, my pc actually froze, last time I had a freezing problem was from my AMD Athlon XP 2600+, my pc never froze when I overclocked my X6800 to 3.6) problems with my computer when I'm at full load(by prime95). I'm guessing this is because of an unstable overclock, I'm not too sure; it would be nice if someone can tell me if the overclock is causing the problem. It actually froze on me once when I was playing Counter Strike Source(which only uses 40% of my cpu max) for more than half an hour and playing a video for about a minute and half.. Every other time was from Prime95.
My overclock set up is 440 x 8 at cpu voltage 1.45v(BIOS), 1.416-1.424(CPU-Z, it flickers between those "two" number randomly), and around 1.375(I think that's the exact number) full load(CPU-Z). Every other voltage setting is currently at auto. I would also like to mention that this setup survived prime95 for a little over an hour, but after that test, it can't survive more than a few minute of stress testing from prime95.
I also have some questions on my temperature, just want to make sure if it's too hot or not and which temperature reading is correct. I've used three different programs to detect my temperature and all three displayed different temperature from one another. Those three programs are coretemp, realtemp, and speedfan. The readings I'm about to give are all idle temperatures if you want to know the load temperature, just add 10-18c to the temperatures there. By the way, these are the latest version of the programs. Here are my readings:
Realtemp
core 0: 33c core 1: 36c core 2: 39c core 3: 39c
Speedfan
core 0: 38c core 1: 41c core 2: 44c core 3: 44c
Coretemp
core 0: 43c core 1: 46c core 2: 49c core 3: 49c
The TJ max for all of them are 105c except for speedfan since it doesn't list the TJ max. If you look at the numbers carefully, from core 0 and onward, the temperatures increase by 5 except for core 2 and 3. Also, between the three reading, there's a 5 degree difference. So, which one has the correct reading? Does my processor have proper temperature ?And, is it considered cool? Also, it would be nice if someone can tell me what exactly is TJ max.
I would also like to know a list of program that can detect voltage settings.
Thank you very much in advance for reading my ridiculous long post.
It "seems" like I've fixed the problem now. I think the cause of the freezing problem was the ram. I have to manually set the timing, frequency, and the voltage.
I'm going to try lowering the cpu voltage at the moment. Once I hit the lowest voltage I can go, I'll post some screenshots.
Forgot mention that I'm also hitting the fsb wall at 440FSB. I can't post at all on 450FSB. I guess I can probably squeeze in one or two more FSB, but no point since I probably won't notice the performance gain.