yes... she is... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
yes... she is... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
The speedfan has killed your CPU. I had exactly the same situation with an older version of Everest (+ DFI). :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by llenkoll
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Originally Posted by Brother Esau
That must be some of that Xtreme Paranoia :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Seriously though, she is smokin' hot. Seriously! :up:
Edit - Hey, now the Paranoia's just plain old Paranoia, not the Xtreme kind! They do have pretty good drugs for that these days, I guess! Or maybe having it trademarked is somehow calming.
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Originally Posted by Tmod
Hey, Terry whats up my brother? ;) The mighty Tmod enters the building:toast: Whats shaking with you Terry you still running the DYI-STREET Site?
had the same thing happen to me with speedfan. Got new ram and everything. The only two slots that work are banks 1 and two (the slots away from the cpu socket). If I put any ram in either slot 3 or 4 (the two closest to the CPU) I get a C1 error and it refuses to post. I even got some new ram and still no dice. Out of 4 tested and good ram sticks none of them will post in bank 3 or 4. Currently I have 2 x1gb sticks in the 1 and two slots, but of course they only run single channel right now, which kind of sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by llenkoll
Anyone else have any luck with fixing this or any correspondence with DFI on how to fix this?
*edit* I don't think it's killed you CPU (at least it didn't on mine thankfully), but it definitely did something to my ram banks or whatever reads them. According to the DFI wiki a C1 error has to do with ram.
*double edit* here is the link explaining what all the bios led codes mean
http://www.phoenix.com/NR/rdonlyres/...0/postcode.pdf
not with those timings... board defaults to crazy high 5-7-7-24 with my old ballistix that died for anything above 505mhz... still does it with 1/30/08 with d9gmh... i can manually bring it down to 5-5-5-16, but that's lowest.. and to revert back to lower timings, i have to reset cmos when running below 500mhzQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
The 5-7-7-24 is default for all RAM which isn't JEDEC 1.8V 533MHz since the BIOS programmers specified high timings so you could boot that divider at even 1.8V and then once you get in you can manually lower the timings. MSI board does the same with Crucial D9s. However, the 5-5-5-16 is quite bad, that's the similar problem with MSI RD790. The lowest options it offers at 2.66 divider for both my RAMs is 4-5-5-15-12 which is not what I'm after since I've ran 2.3V 1352 5-5-5-5 with Intel chipsets only a week ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iketh
Thanks. :)
thanx for the reply, im gonna try and get my hands on some ocz or some good ram and see what will happen, but i hope mobo/cpu arent shot, im a lil under a week over for a 30 day return from newegg.Quote:
Originally Posted by serial099
Swiched back to My DFi yesterday, A have been playing with a Wolfdale for coupple of days know and I still think my DFI\6400+ feels snappier and more aggresive in day to day tasks. My Wolfedale was fast in Pi but thatīs about it... Feels good to be back, getting som Cellshocks to test next week. Do you guys use the yellow or green memoryslots?
Also going to flash back to 11/27bios, With a FLOPPY! Did you here that Esau? :bounces:
I think 1/30/08 is a good Bios but I am in the process of moving right now and my stuff is packed as of yesterday:( and I am on my old trusty Alienware Laptop that was cutting cutting edge 3 years ago :D so I have not done any comparison with new Bios except look for flaws that were present in others and did a comparitive testing @ 3500mhz with same settings as Bios template on first page to see if it passed at same settings for 8hrs of Prime and yielded same results or better in Sandra & Everest and thats all consistent with 11/22/07 and a little better bandwidth in Everest with 1/30/08 Official and 3500mhz x10 multi , 800HT at stock Board voltage is nothing to sneeze at;)
Although I am still curios as to why the Entire top Row of Byte Blocks Does Not Get Updated in Bios Flash since all Bios after 11/22/07 Official thats just odd and have never seen that in a DFI Bios Flash until owning this 790FX-M2R.........Why exactly is that DFI??????
FLOPPY IS THE WAY TO GO FOR FLASHING BIOS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED ITS BEEN PROVEN FOR HOW MANY YEARS AND SUCCESSFUL AT THE TASK WITH MINUTE ERROR MARGIN/FAILURE ............SO WHY ROCK THE BOAT?
Well guys I am moving back East where I belong come Monday so I will not be on the Forum for a while so if you don't see me its for that reason.
Hey dude long time no talk, Yeah I am still at the street but I can re-assure you I was never running it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I am just the coder there that puts skin and vBulletin stuff in it's proper place.
So off to the East coast heh, Where about's?
Hope the trip goes smoothly!!
Tmod
I learned another new thing... lol. Prime in Windows Safe Mode > everything. I BSOD'd a few times at ettings Ive always been stable on, but this time sometimes after 9 hours of Prime it BSOD'd anyway.
But as I never cleaned my HDD from previous mobo I think few things aren't stable software wise. From now on Ill only Prime in Safe Mode.
moving back east where man? im in North Carolina
So, after checking out with DFI's tech support department I have discovered that using speedfan on this board will cause big issues. Specifically for me it makes ram slots #3 and 4 (the two closest to the CPU) unusable. I have to get this board RMA'ed to get the funtionality of these two slots back.
Be warned and don't use speedfan on this board.
Hey guys, is there anyone running a RAID array on the 30.1.08 BIOS? I am not able to start the RAID setup, don't know why. It seems that the board does not find my 2 HDDs. With the 22.11.07 BIOS it works as intended.
Second, is anyone running 1T timing with the board. I always get 2T, doesn't matter what I set in BIOS.
yep, learned this the hard way, need to send my bios chip back to dfi to get reprogrammed (this is what they think is the problem).Quote:
Originally Posted by serial099
llenkoll, what issues are you having with your board?
also, another quick thought that in general I could ask everyone.....couldn't I swap out bios chips and see if the problem follows the chip? I have one of these boards in my machine and one in my wife's computer. Or would that not work?
c1 error, and ive tried everything i think other than another processor.
Anyone gonna get the DFI LANPARTY DK 790FX-M2RS 790? $139 off MBP.
http://www.motherboardpro.com/images/D/DK790FX-M2RS.jpg
will be getting here soon ;)
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Originally Posted by serial099
Yes that will work;)
I am Moving to the great State of North Carolina:welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZL1Killa
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Originally Posted by llenkoll
Unplug the P.S.U use only one stick of Ram closest to the CPU , Clear Cmos for 10 minutes , plug back in the P.S.U wait exactly 40 seconds , Use a PS2 Keyboard as its booting up hold down the Insert, and Home Keys for about 6-7 seconds release and it should boot!
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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Why would you do that? You know you are just asking for problems when you change Motherboards and are too lazy to do a fresh install:shakes:
Has anyone tried the 800MHz memory mode around 250MHz FSB? It always stucks on post code 25. :(
(1/30/2008 BIOS with Phenom 9500)
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Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Do you think this same advice may work for my situation? I am able to boot, but only with ram slots one or two occupied (three and four unoccupied). Is this something that is fixable or am I going to have to RMA the board?
Wasnt really lazy to re-install, I was more like too lazy to call MS for a new code as I was changing mobo's:ROTF:. But in Windows Safe Mode it worked after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
@ Oliverda
Well, I always get '25' when ever I get a BSOD which is very most likely RAM related. I simply get rid of it by pulling the power plug, wait for the LEDs to go out and put it back in. If it doesnt work CMOS reset.
If that doesnt work it's most likely you selected too tied timings and/or too high Mhz for the RAM and thus cant stay stable to even get into BIOS, so you'll have to reset CMOS then.
But it's possible, Im running 14x251 and DDR800 fine.
[EDIT] However, now I see you're using a Phenom. Ive no idea whether you forgot a 'Phenom' option in BIOS?
sorry if this is already common-sense with all boards that are run outside a case, but it's caused me a few headaches since i got this board in december
my cell phone locks up my system every time it does a synch if it's sitting anywhere within 5 feet of the board...
90% of the lock-ups i've had previously was because i placed my phone near my board... all those mysterious lock-ups 5-30 minutes after finishing a successful prime test were from my moto razer
well gents, i decided to give this board another go and the new one showed up today with a beautiful C1 for the Phenoms. with the 3200+, however, i am up and clocking like it should. that first board being stuck at 133MHz HTT was just a borked board.
it came out of the box on the 11/22 BIOS so i am going to leave it on that for now with the 3200+ while i get to know the board then i will tackle the Phenoms on it. just wanted to say thanks again for the help the other day and i am sure i will be posting results/asking questions soon enough.
updated sig... been running this o/c with a much lower cpu voltage
sent the chip in already, but im gonna keep this for later use, thanx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I'm running at 255MHz FSB and 800MHz memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Have you tried to lower the NB multiplier i'm using x8 instead of the stock x9.
Bah, I want +5x NB multie's too:(.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaivan
Anyway, I heard in order to reach higher RAM OC's it 'might' help to increase Vcore over 1.52~1.53V? Is that true? I could test it myself but it's finally running nice now and dont want to go trough the hell of 'forgetting to reset Memset and thus freezing' etc. Just wondering if someone knew more about it?
I'm having a strange problem when i go to shut down my computer it goes through its normal process but when it turns off it automatically start up again is there a bios function that i need to turn off or something to stop this from happening?
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Originally Posted by Jaivan
I doubt this is the case but....on the DFI NF4 Boards it would do that if wake from Lan was enabled in the NIC (advanced) tab try that and see if it works but as I said I don't think thats the case here.
Does anyone know which RAM slots should be prefered? btw: 1T timing seems to work only with the DDR2-667 divider, right?
Hey, Guys been checking out this thread due to the mysterious speedfan killing spree. Its been brought to my attention that the program has killed my cousin's (||ENKO||) board.
I have never heard such a issue, and personally i cant see it happening. If the issue did occur by speedfan accessing the bios to check the temps on the CPU and mobo its possibly a BIOS issue. Cause if any program that has to access the bios for info happens to corrupt it can cause a potential danger, such as CPu-z, Sandra, etc.
One of the DFI tech's has recommended that its the BIOS chip. Which i doubt unless speedfan somehow corrupted the BIOS. Has anyone have had this issue and went with the steps such as clearing CMOS, pulling PSU connections, Changing order of Ram or new Ram, and most important reseating the CPU -
Reseating the cpu i have found has done wonders when boards mysteriously wont post. Due to the voltage it can hold until the unwanted volatage properly expells. Usually holding the power button will remove unwanted power through out the board but hey sometimes it doesnt work.. So go alittle deeper and reseat the CPU and test the board outside the case and go from there. and check for silly grounding connections in the case.
Grounding can cause erratic behaviors and sometimes its the last thing people can pinpoint.
IF someone has already dones this let me know the outcome or have found a different technique that provided vauluable outcomes.
Thanks
Sejo
@Sejo5
I am one of those mysterious speedfan people. I swapped out the bios chip on my board with my wife's computer (both have this board in there) and the C1 fault isn't present on her computer with my bios chip. It boots up just fine. When I talked to DFI support they told me it had to be RMA'd to get it fixed. I suppose it possible it could be a CPU reseating thing, but somehow that just doesn't make too much sense to me.
Hey, I proposed the CPU reseating as a solution not a direct effect from what speedfan must have done. And why did you have to RMA the board if your wife has the same board? you could have done a Hot swap theres actually tutorials on how to do so. A good way to save money and time.
Hot Swap.
Two Identical boards. 1 Dead 1 working.
Removing the Bios Chip which is a 8MB from the non working mobo, having it ready in hand.
Turn on working mobo, boot to dos. (Dos does not access Bios in this point in time so you can remove the chip while it actually still on) make sure you have a Bios Flashing Utility. That runs through dos and a bios that you would like to flash diff manufactures have dos flash utilities. Some dont.
Once you have it in dos. Remove the Chip from working board and put in old chip. Removing chip can be done with paper clip, check tutorials if still not confident. Once old chip is put in, run flash utility and flash the chip with desired bios. when complete shut down PC and turn on again too see if it works. Which it should. Voila now you can put the one you just removed into the dead board since theres no point to remove the one you just flashed there the same chip same bios. So there you go. Corrupted Bios Revived.
Hopefully it was clear and understanable any questions just ask..
Sejo!
I just read yours again, sorry didnt understood that you actually put your old chip into her mobo and it worked. Thats actually weird. But have you re-seated the CPU and remove the mobo out of the system ? Try that and see if anything changes...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=183
Interesting, I asked this earlier but no one didnt answer and I lost where I read it but I found it again. Should check it out actually whether this will let me run 292Mhz on the RAM, if it will Im so happy:p:.
Is this true? And do you mean if the RAM effectively runs at 333Mhz or if you use the 667 divider and run it any speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by MKroenke
When I use AUTO, the Board runs 1T with 800MHz divider. But if you set the 800MHz divider manually it will only do 2T no matter which settings you use in the MCT Timings menu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
K, that's it. Ive seen a lot of new options on the net now to maybe improve things. Gonna check it out then:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by MKroenke
Same for me! 1T does not work if you sett it manualy... Other then that the new bios is great! No more 600mhz bug :D Priming my VX2 @ 600mhz 5-5-4-12 @ 2,25v seams stable :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by MKroenke
Hi everybody,
Brother Esau and friends, my friend bought the DFI UT 790-M2R under my advice because it seems like an awesome board. Also bought a 6400+ Black Edition to drop in it because I saw that was what you were running. It has been a nightmare. We RMA'd the PCU because it was the greatest common of the problems. Before that I tore my machine down to try CPU and memory in his. My CPU (3800+ Windsor) ran fine with each memory installed. His memory is Patriot PC9200 2gb kit (2 X 1GB, I think the PN is PDC22G9200ELK (not sure of PN as he has gone to bed, will correct tomorrow if wrong). Could not finish XP set up with his CPU. Loaded XP fine with my CPU then changed back to his and would only get half way through booting and just shuts off. Also noticed temp of around 85C from cold to just BIOS, which I thought was a little high. The other thing is the memory is being recognized as 800MHZ. Board came with November's BIOS and has been updated after the trouble and RMA to 1-30-08. Any help or suggestions from anyone is more than welcome. I really dont want to buy him a CPU to replace the one I recommended.
Today I decided to look for another try to run the RAM at 293Mhz. I played with all variables. Though I didnt manage to reach my goal however Ive learned a lot about the Drive Strengths!
Stock are 1-1-1-1.5-1.5-1.5, after a lot of playing around I got 4x 1GB to run Super PI 32M 285 5-5-5-18 untweaked memory timings (as 285Mhz wasnt an option for me at all I didnt fine tune it).
I had to change the Drive Strengths to 0.75-1-1.5-1-1.25-1 to get the best results stability wise. Also increasing Vcore over 1.5V helps to stabilize the memory controller. Changing the CPU ODT didnt give me anything. DRAM Drive Weak Mode at Weak gave a lot of potential as well. Most likely due to running 4 DIMM's I couldnt hit my desired speed, but anyone running 2 DIMM's and trying to get a high OC really should look at the Drive Strengths! In my case lowering the Addr/CMD (aka Latency Drive Strength) had to be lowered a lot and MEMCLK (Pure Mhz Drive Strength) had to be higher.
It's really awesome, but I didnt feel like going 2.3V+ for the RAM as that wasn't worth it for me, but those Drive Strengths offer a very lot of potential!!!
Is it safe to tweak the drive strengths? Never had a DFI Board before this one, so I was never facing these options. But if those settings won't kill my RAM or Board, I'll try it.
Asked that a million times and never got a clear answer on that. It's known too high Drive Strengths can kill Micron chips quite fast in combination with high Volt etc. I just played with it to see what they do. But lowering them wont hurt the RAM I'd say, and using Weak mode will be only better.
I use the weak mode already but I never played around with the other options. Weak mode gave me around 20MHz at same voltage. Will try later with the lower drive strengths, maybe I could increase clocks even further without adding voltage.
Pretty much sure you'll be able to increase Mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKroenke
One little Drive Strength change got me from insta Super PI carsh to a 32M Super PI stable OC.
In my case I guess 4 DIMM's are limiting me to get my OC. Though now I start to understand it a little I might as well try 16x219 with 3-3-3 timings, maybe that will work and give better results than 14x251 4-4-4
Well besides the Raid not working on this mobo atm im very pleased with it.
Got my 6400+BE at 3520 at stock 1.344 but this mobo overvolts on load to Vcore 1.360 & running GO- ORTHOS BETA dual core version & 8GB of GeIL PC2-8500 CL5 Black Dragon EVO ONE.
Aint had to do any tweaking yet.
jeez...what stepping you got on that BE CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
I knew i should of made a note of it before in installed it.
I will pull it tomorrow & look in the morning.
i wonder if i should try to push it furtherer.
Only been primeing 20mins.
Oh BTW this cpu would just about boot at 3.450 on the Steaming pile it was in before & that was with 1.45 Vcore & more Vcore would not give me anymore Mhz & that was only with 1 stick of ram to not hold it back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZL1Killa
Get ridd of that SP modo ZL1 it maybe holding your cpu back.
LOL.... once my roommate pays me for his rent the dfi 790fx is on the way ;) trust me... LOL
and i'm swapping in my 1kW psu and selling my 850w psu
Ok, ordered the dfi 790fx M2R from motherbaord pro. will probably be here by the end of the week
only 1 problem tho... probably won't have time to install it until next weekend.. or even maybe the NEXT with the way things are going at school (senior design) and work
Yea whatīs the stepping? Hade both an 0718 MPMW and know An 0737 EPMW both Suck bably.... :mad: :mad: :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
I will post the stepping on Thursday as im too lazy after work to do it while on shift.
thats fine man, i won't be able to test out my new board and PSU until probably near the end of this month...
ok here is an update to my problem (c1 error)
got the bios chip back from dfi, they had it flashed to the 1.30.08 bios
put the chip in today... and no go!
still c1 errors, gonna have to call them again tomorrow
i went through all the steps brother esau had said to no avail, and even went as far as to boot the board outside of the case and then completely rebuilt it.
ahh what to do
appreciate ur guys help and will keep u posted.
:banana::banana::banana::banana: man, wonder whats going on?
Random question here, on the board(I had/have one when dfi sends it back) in that hand drawn picture it shows under the pci-e x16 slots as power connectors. I am wondering, should I be attaching the(what appears to be) type of connector that goes to a floppy??? All my previous boards had molex connectors on the board, not floppy power connectors.
hey lemans quick question how hard was it to RMA your dfi board?
There tech support was awesome, walked me through step by step, emailing me back and forth in less than 2 hours each time, during business hours. Then I got sent to the rma department, first they told me to rma it from where I bought it, but motherboard pro only allows 30 days to return it to them. Then I went back to dfi, and 24 hours later they told me to submit my receipt of purchase, and fill out a form. I sent that, along with a few questions on the rma. I got back an rma number and they ignored my questions...so whatever, I sent it in last Thursday, and haven't heard a thing. I think it was supposed to get to them Monday. I will post again when I get it back.
Hi all,
(sorry for my english :rolleyes: )
yesterday I got the famous C1 post code error... :mad:
I was playing (eve-online in low security :shakes: ) -> computer freeze
->reboot, lauch the game 5s later -> freeze
->reboot, C1 error
I try all ram position with clear Cmos -> always C1 error
I test the 2 modules of RAM on an another mobo, C1 error
The 2 modules (2*1G OCZ PC2-8500 reaper CF édition) seems dead (my eve-online ship to ... ).
This ram was runing fine on this mobo for 1 mounth without a problem.
I use the 1.30.08 bios (i tested the beta one).
well, this mobo seems to be a RAM killer, 1 module fail it's ok , but 2 modules in the same time it's :eek:
Today i'll buy cheap ram and try boot...
Hi DFI users,
I have that sapphire dfi clony here and looking for the lowest possible voltages for SB/NBcore/NBpcie/NBht.
Defaults seemed to be 1,2/1,25/1,16/1,23 (or 1,27)V.
Currently running prime95 at 1,2/1,12/1,12/1,13V with an 9600BE at stock since an hour. Wonder how much lower I can go.
I'm a little paranoid cuz my 9500 died on the first day in this mobo at modest voltages 1,375vcore 1,3vcpunb.
Can it be those defaults are abit high?
As for phenom overclocking does it help to increase NBcore/NBht if I only oc via the multi?
dude...wtf did you do? what kind of cooler are you running?Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
it shouldn't have killed it, you have other problems
describe more of what happend/how it happend
Well an hour or two before the chips died, I was looking for a temperature at which the chip starts to become unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZL1Killa
I mounted an Zalman 7000 fan and ran em at lowest possible speed with the 9500 oced to 2,65GHz at 1,375-1,4V
This is a screeny of what I had running as SG reported 100° I powered the machine off.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/250hot4g4k.jpg
Look at these different temperature readings.
SG 100° CPU-Temp 53°, Core-Temp 85°.
On the M3A Cpu temp was allways 5-10° above core-temp. Had not touched the temperature offset in the bios.
I'm not sure what temp the cpu run at I guess it's 75°-85°.
Afterwards I mounted the BigTyphoon again and played alittle with memory timings. System behaved normal after that temperature test and the load temps SG reported where ~50°. Tried a few settings with 1T and increased mem voltage above 2,2V.
Then I wanted to try an HD2600XT together with an HD2400pro. The system froze during Driver Installation and rebooted at the gfx-driver load stage during windows start.
Replaced the cpu with an BE2400 and I got the same problem. Used an other hd whom booted fine. So I switched back to the 9500 and now that thing whould no longer boot. Mobo hung at C1 stage. I tried the cpu in an M2A-VM and an M3A mobo and it did not boot in those two also.
Funny thing was that it also did not boot with the BE2400 now, tried it with an X2-3600 and that worked. After that the BE2400 worked.
I tried different types of cmos erasing and flashed different bios versions just to make sure i'm not affected of the C1 issue here.
I ordered an 9600BE and that thing booted fine, only thing i noticed was that it ran at 1,01V, can be that was a leftover setting from the 9500.
KTE mentioned once that he could get an chip work again under very cold ambient, I placed my 9500 in the fridge, but that did not help eighter.
Can be three things that killed the chip.
1. That temperature experiment (but the system worked without problems afterwards for two hours).
2. Too much voltage on the ram (but those chips died with low NB and high RAM voltage and I had 1,3V on the core-NB).
3. Too much volts for the cpu. I ran it at up to 1,5V in the M2A-VM for weeks without problems and long term degradation. But cpu-z reported ~1,4V at those settings. On the sapphire I tried 1,425V at 2,7GHz but that was not stable so i switched back to 2,6GHZ at 1,375V-1,38V. CPU-Z reported voltages where pretty close to my bios settings +-0,01V
Still curious about those default voltages have em all at the lowest possible now (1,2/1,12/1,12/1,03V) and it's still prime95 stable.
EDIT: First day I did not freeze my machine and prime did not fail one time, damn I must be paranoid. Trying to find the minimum stable vcore/vcorenb atm, it's priming fine at 1,1625V/1,1625V atm. Is there a bios version out ther with cpu vid/nb vid options in addition to vcore/vcorenb? Seems those stay at 1,25V. At least that's what AMD Power Monitor reports.
EDIT EDIT: Yeah, finaly prime95 failed at 1,15/1,15V
My ram problem seems solved .
I put cheap ram -> boot ok
Then i remove this ram and put OCZ -> system boot up :eek:
Strange... :shrug:
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Originally Posted by lemans81
To go along with this info and my experience with DFI and MotherboardPro. DFI tech support tried out some things with me, but to no avail. If I put any RAM in either slot#3 or #4 I got a C1 error and no system boot up (the ram worked in my wife's computer though with the same board. Even got some new Crucial Ballistix RAM, still nothing. So, I get an RMA number from DFI because when I called them someone I talked to on the phone told me to e-mail the RMA department and ask for one. Meanwhile the guy I was e-mailing back and forth in tech support told me to try and work out getting an RMA with MotherboardPro. Long story short for me is MBP said they would RMA it for me (even though I bought it in early December) but it would go the same path of getting sent back to DFI anyway, so if I did send it through them it might take longer, but they would be able to track it better.
I told MBP that I already had a RMA number and the said the choice was up to me as to if I wanted them to do it or do it myself. For the sake of time, I just sent it in myself, but MBP said that if I did have any issues with DFI to let them know and they would get on DFI's butt about getting me back a working product. Talk about service. What company you know of offers to work with another company even when the customer is clearly on their own? I am quite impressed with this and recommend them. As a footnote to this story both the tech support guy I was e-mailing at DFI and the person I was talking to at MBP had excellent things to say about the other parties. DFI said MBP was really good to work with on these kinds of matters and MBP said the same thing about DFI. Kind of gives me a warm fuzzy. The board got back to DFI on Monday, so obviously haven't gotten it back yet, but I have a good feeling so far about my experience. Hope that feeling doesn't end up being misplaced.
YES!!! MBP is awesome! mike called me back after i ordered my board and wanted to tell me that it was coming from california instead of where they are at (MBP) and he just didn't want me freaking out wondering whats coming from CAli.
Only thing when you RMA stuff back to a company...unless they just send you a new one, you risk them testing it and saying oh hey according to our tests it works..so its fine lets send it back.
Well, I don't think that would happen with my board. I mean, I used four different sticks of ram on that thing inside the case and out and still couldn't get it to boot off of those two slots. If it does work, I wanna know how they got it working because I sure couldn't.
update, shawn from dfi in cali couldnt help me over the phone and said that most likely my cpu is dead, so i called up amd and set up an rma and im just waiting on the shipping labels to come in now.
i want to know if changing of ram could fix my problem, the cheapest (slowest) ram i could find to test my system on was an ocz set that was rated at 6400(?), can u guys tell me which ur using that helps to boot ur system up?
So speedfan killed your cpu? Had probs with everest with an hd installed on an 770 chipset mobo. System allways froze when i started everest. CPU is also dead now. Did a fresh install afterwards with an BE2400 and switched to an BE9600 without reinstallation. Everest works fine now. This mobo seems to have an issue with the superio chip and old installations.Quote:
Originally Posted by llenkoll
You don't don't need Voltage OFFSET when you have the actual voltage for the IMC to change within BIOS. The NB voltage will change to what you set it, VID doesnt matter. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
It means the OCZ RAM had timing oproblems with the MB/Phenom/BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonikbuzz
Does the CPU NB Voltage Control have effect on AM2 CPU's as well or only Phenoms? And if it does work for AM2, what's the default Voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I'm not sure what the default X2 CPU NB volts are TBH, as they should all differ based on CPU VCore. IIRC, the VCore and IMC are fed the same voltage on K8's and the BIOS won't allow you to choose vCPU NB with an X2 separately (IME) whereas with Phenom the power states are separate and both can be fed different voltages. Can you choose vCPU-NB manually with a K8 Rammsteiner?
If you see it in the BIOS when X2 is installed then it will be a setting for it. Only options you see changeable when you install a CPU are those that support it. From my memory, it wasn't there with a X2 BE-2350 on the ASUS or the DFI 790Fx.
Yepp can only speak for the latest stable DFI bios, you can choose NB-voltage for X" cpu's. Have not tried if it has an impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Speedfan locked my board, when it worked. It would lock the system and require a push of the reset button. And then it would lock at the bios load screen, so I would have to do a cmos reset to get it to boot. I tried it several times and speedfan was the only thing that would do it.
DFI called today to tell me that my rma number has changed....thats it....I was a bit baffled.
I can select it yes. I looked on the Sapphire site on the BIOS settings pdf as well and it doesnt have the 'Phenom only' note with it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I didnt change the actual voltage, only the Special Add up to 10% as Ive no clue what the default Voltage should be like and, maybe sounds strange, I dont feel like burning the IMC down:ROTF:. I didnt find a stability increase with adding 10% though for CPU OC. Didnt test it for memory yet because I was thinking the actual CPU-NBVID might be decreased if you dont set the actualy Voltage manually while you add a Voltage increase?
There's nowhere a default Voltage to be found for it shamefully, neither in the BIOS setup pdf for AMD X2 CPU's. Though it does clearly show the X2 Architecture has a so called Northbridge but no info about it apart it has the memory controller and HT links in it.
VID will stay at default unless you increase it. Voltage is usually above the VID AFAIK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
IIRC, the X2 5000+ BE had a 1.4V vCPU-NB. I'm not sure though... memory is vague after seeing so many BIOSes.
If you boot-up at stock settings into the BIOS, what voltage does it show, if any?Quote:
There's nowhere a default Voltage to be found for it shamefully, neither in the BIOS setup pdf for AMD X2 CPU's. Though it does clearly show the X2 Architecture has a so called Northbridge but no info about it apart it has the memory controller and HT links in it.
If you change the VID, does the core voltage differ? Can you try using the different hardware monitor tools to see if they pick up any voltage chnage in-line with what you chnaged from->to?
I tried different software monitoring tools though Im very carefully by doing so since some of them can kill hardware due to BIOS, interupts or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
CoreTemp, Everest, CPU-Z, SmartGuardian, AOD, Systool and BIOS self dont show anything.
Everest says I/O Current 1.2V + 2.5V... No clue what that would mean... Dont think 2.5V would be a safe setting though:ROTF:.
I go for the other end of ocing here atm. At 2.3GHz I run at 1.1625V vcore and 1.1V vcorenb. All other chipset voltages at lowest possible settings and ram at 1.8V. Gave me an power saving of ~10-18W AV (idle-load). Still going for the lowest stable vcorenb.
You might just test stability with a lower vcorenb and an k8 cpu also.
AMD Power Monitor shows 1.25V for CPU and NB VID (that's why I asked for those settings in the bios) also none of the everset sensors are related to that setting. Can try it under linux the it87 module can be used together with lmsensors to read the super-io chip.
Reached the lowest possible voltages at 2.3GHz with an BE9600 now:
Vcore: 1.1625V
Vnbcore: 1.0625V
SB: 1.2V
NBcore: 1.12V
NBpcie: 1.12V
NBht: 1.03V
Beside the Sapphire Mobo and the BE9600 i used 2GB crucial ballistix 6400 tracers and HD2600XT gfx and an old U2W sata adapter with an 18GB 10000RPM IBM hd (lost too many sata hd's so i use old stuff for testing).
At stock voltages the system required ~220W AC under prim95 load. With optimized voltages it requires ~197W AC now. Also the cpu temp dropped ~3°C.
I did all this to make sure voltage limits will occure in early stages of overclocking. Guess it's saver to gain experiences with lower clock speeds and voltages.
Wow, that's 55W AC more than mine requires stock P95 loaded and yet you have basically a very near exact config to mine, though I have 1 more SATAII HD + Zalman fanmate + extra 120mm fan. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
When I undervolt mine to near exact volts as yours, it requires 143W AC fully loaded at stock speeds.
The PSU is 83% efficient from 151W-213W AC, 81% efficient from 110W-148W AC and 78% efficient 87W-110W AC.
Hmm I have a fanmate connected to the cpu fan two amd stock cooler fans for pwm and chipset cooling and one additional 12cm fan. Should not make more than 15W difference. I'll try it with two sata disc and without the Scsi and audio stuff for better comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
EDIT: Now with mobo/ram/cpu one additional 8cm fan and two 500GB sata hd's Maxtor 7H500F0 and WD WD500SYS Raid Edition and one LG IDE DVD-Writer (forgott to mention before). Temps(SG)/Fanspeed CPU 42°C/1240RPM PWM 42°C/2200RPM at 22°C ambient in open case.
Idle:
124.5W AC / 99.5W DC (79.9%)
Load:
198W AC / 159W DC (81.5%)
Compared to 143W AC/111.5W DC so yeah 50-55W difference. On the M3A the system required 172W AC / 140W DC on a setup with an HD2400pro (- 10-15W difference) just one ide hd ( - 2-5 W), no dvd drive ( - 2-5 W) and no extra fan (- 2-5W). Add 15-30W AC and it's equivalent to the saphhire/dfi mobo. Used an 9500 at 2.2GHz 1.18V cpu vid/1.075 nb vid here.
I just picked up the DFI LANPARTY DK 790FX-M2RS .
Just booted into bios and the northbridge is a little toasty at 54c. It is hot to the touch.
Does that seem a little warm to everyone? I have a small heatsink I could install on it.
I'll post some screenies once I finish building it. Nice motherboard wonder if my 5000+ black will run faster on it? :)
Is all this extra cooling necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
MSI board doesn't need any chipset cooling, only PWM airflow is recommended. I've primed mine at 2.64GHz many times with just the stock heatsink/fan without problems.
What AOD button color do you have whilst measuring power?Quote:
Idle:
124.5W AC / 99.5W DC (79.9%)
Load:
198W AC / 159W DC (81.5%)
Compared to 143W AC/111.5W DC so yeah 50-55W difference. On the M3A the system required 172W AC / 140W DC on a setup with an HD2400pro (- 10-15W difference) just one ide hd ( - 2-5 W), no dvd drive ( - 2-5 W) and no extra fan (- 2-5W). Add 15-30W AC and it's equivalent to the saphhire/dfi mobo. Used an 9500 at 2.2GHz 1.18V cpu vid/1.075 nb vid here.
Your idle/load is a lot more than mine, all my Phenoms have been much lower load at stock. I am idling 108-111W AC right now with this setup:
27C ambient
AOD button = yellow
9600BE 204x12.5 (2550MHz) 1.25VID 1.320V
1836MHz HT 1.250V
1836MHz NB 1.25VID
Stock HSF @ 5V 1500RPM
1x Delta (220CFM) 120mm @ 5V 750RPM
Zalman Fanmate
2x 1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer @ 2.2V 1088 5-5-5-15-11
2x WD Caviar SE SATA II 76/78GB HDs
1x Seagate 7200.9 SATA II 500GB HD
1x Plextor PX608AL DVD-Re (IDE)
Sapphire HD 2600XT stock 24% fanspeed
2x USB HID peripherals
1x 1Gb LAN
Antec Earthwatts 430W
You mean the RD790? It's a very cool chip by design, I've no idea how it could be that hot at stock. Mine have all idled low temps. Looks like they may have a bad contact/heatsink. Post pics of the board and esp. the PWM/NB please. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Undersea
You got it:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
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yummy!!
I just bought a 790FX-M2RS to go with my Phenom 9600BE. It has arrived at home but I won't be able to pick it up until next weekend :(
Is the only difference between these two DFI boards the number of bells and whistles that they have? Looks like the M2R has more SATA, dual gigabit lan, an extra PCIe x4 slot, some better sound and chipset cooling. Power circuitry looks a bit different too (M2RS has analog and M2R has digital it looks like).
I'm guessing the chip above the PCIe slots is the northbridge right, and the one to the right of the slots is the southbridge? I have my HR-05 I'm planning on sticking on it to help cool it better than stock, plus the phenom will go under water :D
Oh man its a sweet board. Makes me wish I has another 2900pro for crossfire. Northbridge is a little toasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Nice Undersea. :toast:
Those PWM heatsinks do look weak compared to the copper other RD790 boards are getting. I suppose that's the reason for the hotness, not enough air going over them nor enough thermal resistance.
Hmm, I hoped this mobo's chipset and pwm does noot get as hot as the M2R version. Looks like no difference. Guess it's a good pick if you plan to watercool the whole thing.
Played only with the cpu multi yesterday after i reached the lowest possible voltages.
Had to increase only vcore
11.5: 1.16250V idle 124.5W AC load 195.0W AC
12.0: 1.17500V idle 125.5W AC load 199.5W AC
12.5: 1.20625V idle 127.5W AC load 207.0W AC
13.0: 1.26875V idle 134.0W AC load 226.0W AC
The setting with the 13x multi seems to be unstable it froze over night. I rerun prime95 with tlb-cache disabled now.
Also I tried an 13.5V multi with ~1.4V vcore but it froze during or short after windows boot. Pushing other voltages did not help.
Tried to upp the ref HT with a 13x multi but the system freezes after minutes if I only add 2MHz, same with other voltages, pushing em did not help.
2.6GHz with a 13 multi freezes every now and then, going back to 2.5GHz now and will increase the ref HT.
Only one 8cm fan on the pwm area is needed the other two provide the airflow in the case. I leave em on because I will need em at higher clocks and I want no steps in my power consumption mesurements.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Yellow but no difference in green mode (maybe ~2W).Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Your idle/load is a lot more than mine, all my Phenoms have been much lower load at stock. I am idling 108-111W AC right now with this setup:
With the HD2600XT I get ~120-130W AC idle on three different boards and optimized low cpu voltages. M2A-VM has the lowest power consumption but it's still higher that yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
You don't have an other mobo for comparison? :)
Running 45c or so now with case closed. I've had a few motherboards in my day but WOW is there allot of Bios settings I don't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
The Beta amd overdrive seems to work well with my 5000+ Black. Playing with it now. I'll have screenies tonight.
No full load difference either?Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Well, I'm at 2.7GHz 1.392V now and with the above exact setup I'm idling 113W AC typing this (maybe 1W less full idle) without CnQ. :)Quote:
With the HD2600XT I get ~120-130W AC idle on three different boards and optimized low cpu voltages. M2A-VM has the lowest power consumption but it's still higher that yours.
You didn't state your GPU clock and fanspeeds? They make a big difference.
Tried the Phenom/HD 2600XT on three other boards many times but didn't record figures and do power testing because I wasn't going to use them. Only have 3 other Intel boards here, waiting to buy a 780G when it releases for my X2 BE. Was going to get rid of 790Fx setup this Friday but I'm waiting just for one more BIOS anytime now.
I started thinking about that thermalright cooler for them. Question is, which one.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
talking about the mosfet coolers? yeh i was just going to get the upright ones... and there is a store that has them for 17$ US versus the normal 20$ US price tag
I just got my board today ;) . I will be installing it probably the 2nd week in march... yeh don't have time to do it now..this weekend is senior design and hwk... i might be able to do it this week... might just have to MAKE time for it :D