Achim, what did you measure for your X2 BE? YOu had an X2 BE EE didn't you?
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Achim, what did you measure for your X2 BE? YOu had an X2 BE EE didn't you?
ok sure..Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
i used AOD's auto clock feature and when i came back after a while, my explorer.exe crashed and when i reopened it AOD mentioned the max oc is 231HTT. which is just 1mhz above the highest stable oc i have (230HTT).
what abt SP2004 better?
Did not yet measure the BE-2400 again. During my first measurements the BE required around ~2W less idle and ~10W less under load than an X2 3800+ EE.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
X2 3800+ EE requires ~8W in idle.
Don't use autoclock. It is quite buggy. Use the manual oc. :yepp:
SP3 RC: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en
Thaks Achim. Those numbers will come in handy. ;)
Hi There KTE, Compliments of the season to all. No news on a new BIOS for the MSI? How the system performing under SP3 would you say there is major improvements and worth going back. I know overclocking a person get more points on XP than Vista but what you reckon? And what about XP X64
Here's where to get the latest MSI K9A2 Platinum BIOSes from: http://www.msi-forum.de/thread.php?t...tuser=0&page=6
Move onto the next page and there is a new BIOS release: v1.22
I've not tried it yet but should do by Saturday.
SP3 performs better than SP2, for me it is more stable too. XP 64b is better for K10 than XP 32b. Best wishes to you too! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanie
Thanks KTE. I read the read but see this one has the Errata fix and cannot be turned off in the BIOS. It fixes the Phenom /1066 DDR memory isssue- so that good but the loss of speed due to the fix not good. I heard that with the new AOD the "fix" can be turned off, if so ,where
Swanie, At the top of AOD (tool bar) on the left hand side you will see a circle click on that, the outside of the ring will turn yellow (turbo, but not sure what it does)... Click on it again and the outside of the ring will turn red... I'm pretty sure that disables the TLB patch!! :)
I don't have a phenom yet, but I have read that that is how AOD disables the patch...
I hope it doesn't have the "fix" hard coded. As for the TLB turn off, I was thinking it is that button as well, but I'm not sure until I try it now.
@KTE....What Phenom are you currently using ATM?
ATM?
Blacker Edition...
Core 2 Duo :D
Where Prey Tell did you get that Old Boy:p:
I have the X2 BE-2300 here. Have to set it all up yet.
Then comes the other AMD CPU. Stock still non-existent for me, prices heavens high and I don't like paying a dime. ;)
They fly to me through my window while I lay to dream.
Eh?
Santa missed his train so he sent Peter Pan to bring them. :)
KTE, possible to try out the 122 bios for us please?
I don't have a Phenom to try it sorry. Only an X2 here.
Phenom I need to collect.
hi kte
thank u for your reply in http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...48&postcount=6 that helps alot..
if i set the AM2+ Custom P-States to what u said, could i then use AOD to do everything else? im asking because i can't use my hands has im disabled so its very difficult for me to do stuff in the bios...
You're welcome. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gareth170
Yes you should be able to do everything within Windows (AOD). AOD is the main tool you need here. Is your CPU on stock heatsink/fan?Quote:
if i set the AM2+ Custom P-States to what u said, could i then use AOD to do everything else?
I didn't know. Had I known earlier, I'd have wrote more in the linked post. :)Quote:
im asking because i can't use my hands has im disabled so its very difficult for me to do stuff in the bios...
that's great.. thats one of the reasons why i got this motherboard..Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
no.. its a Akasa AK-922 EVO blueQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
its ok mate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
What are your stock core temps gareth170? (you can check in AOD tabs)
32c ida, between 37c - 38c loadQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Yep, about right. :up:
btw thats on half speed on the fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
on amd site it says the phemon 9500 max temp is 70c.. is this true?
Not sure if they're specifying case operating temp or internal core temp both of which can have a delta of ~15℃. You should avoid getting above 55℃ for 24/7 usage though.
Ah the BE is DOA! What a :banana::banana::banana::banana:n PITA!! More delays :mad: :mad:
:(Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Any chances for quick replacement?
Do you have second board to test it?
PS. What is stepping and production week of these chip?
No second board. :(
By BE I meant X2 BE-2300 that I mentioned earlier. Sorry if you thought it was the Phenom. :p: :D
The Phenom 9600 BE I'll have tomorrow morning.
:slash: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
OK!
I can go sleep then :D
Reading off that German MSI site I gather that this new Bios has the TLB temp fix. Choking the system a bit... 15%:shocked:
I have a Phenom 9500 running with Bios 1.1 which I believe does not have the TLB fix. Correct???
The system run flawlessly on stock settings. Never a crash. That's running Crysis, Call Of Duty 4, Red Baron3d, Autocad, Battlefront 2, Battlefield2, Winxp64 sp2
So when will this TLB bug bite?? Besides the rough fix patch????? Only when overclocking it seems.
Or maybe some chips are worse then others??
So hopefully this bios will fix more then it may break. My problem remember is i'm STUCK at 1 stick at 1GB. So single channel and 1 tiny GB of ram :)
So dual channel at 1066mhz and 2gbs might get me back to break even or faster.
Will report back with more info
Thanks
Brain
interesting. haven't compared the 2 bios's as far as performance goes. Any suggestion on an app to try?
I just installed 1.22 this morning. Dunno why, really was no reason to, it didn't do anything for me. still can't run my 1066mhz ram @1066.
Anyone know why frequency is grayed out in AOD for memory? I'm guessing the divider isn't changeable on the fly. It's set 1:1 right now. I've got the HT up to something fairly low atm. Last I checked I think my CPU is running around 2.4ghz. HT @ 218 or so. So the ram is running around 436. I know it can go faster than the HT/CPU. just wish I could up it :(
Sorry to tell you guys.
I was busy earlier but tested two Phenom 9600 "Black Edition" this morning. Both were CAAZB 0743. Never brought them home, tested them there and then to see if they were actually BE as they were unopened. I tried everything, both were not BE, they had multipliers locked at 11.5x although they were sold as BE. :(
So I just left them there and uncle will see to it instead. Quick photos with my phone are too messy to show. Saved 1 or 2 very quick screenshots and validations inside 5-10 minutes.
Stock 2.3GHz: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=288978
2.6GHz: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=288979
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6048/fsfsfwv2.th.jpg http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9...fuuuey4.th.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2298/fdfdfdab6.th.jpg
Max was 2.67GHz within the 5 mins before it froze. First one had HT wall at 213MHz and 2nd one did what you see in pics. Didn't bother with another boot.
I don't know who supplied my uncles firm with them but other suppliers may also be doing this saying they are Black Edition and that your BIOS is just not supporting them yet. This is bogus. You can check through P-States manually even if box says whatever.
Also Phenom shut down temperature is 75℃. Tried it. :D
Temps in BIOS are accurate just like digital thermistor.
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brains1
Not when oc'ing. If it ocurs it'll occur at stock. Try VMWare and you might see it. Virtualization, i.e. heavy frame-page cache entries is when you are most likely to see it IF your chip is affected.Quote:
The system run flawlessly on stock settings. Never a crash. That's running Crysis, Call Of Duty 4, Red Baron3d, Autocad, Battlefront 2, Battlefield2, Winxp64 sp2
So when will this TLB bug bite?? Besides the rough fix patch????? Only when overclocking it seems.
Ignore this new BIOS. Seems to only degrade things for the worse unnecessarily.Quote:
Or maybe some chips are worse then others??
So hopefully this bios will fix more then it may break.
WinRAR, POV-Ray, Cinebench 10, wPrime and so on.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blargman
Yep.Quote:
I just installed 1.22 this morning. Dunno why, really was no reason to, it didn't do anything for me. still can't run my 1066mhz ram @1066.
Anyone know why frequency is grayed out in AOD for memory? I'm guessing the divider isn't changeable on the fly.
It'll be running 1:2 divider then. ;)Quote:
It's set 1:1 right now. I've got the HT up to something fairly low atm. Last I checked I think my CPU is running around 2.4ghz. HT @ 218 or so. So the ram is running around 436. I know it can go faster than the HT/CPU. just wish I could up it :(
I'm linking BIOSes P0C, 112 & 113 below. 113 is best so far according to my experience without the TLB errata fix.
http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.ph...le=MS_7376.zip
I have a noobish type question for you folks...
I just built a new K9A2/9600 system and I didn't bother to install a floppy drive in the machine....
My question is... Can I boot into safe/command prompt mode and flash the bios from a USB jump drive, or just flash it from a DOS prompt inside windows?
So
I have two systems
Both MSI K9A2 Platinum
One has a Black Edition 5000 X2
The other has a Phenom 9500
They both are running the same Cosair ram TWIN2x2048-8500CD G.
Both machines could not run with 2 stick of ram. Wouldnt even post. With the bios update the Black Edition 5000 x2 could see the other stick. The phenom system could not.
So I have the 1.22 the phenom now and can not get these ram sticks to work. Tried increasing voltage and what not. Nothing. The black edition x2 will run them no problem.
Ok as for the No Floppy Drive.....
I ran in to that problem. You need to make a boot cd.
I used Hiren's BootCD 9.3. I could not get my cd-rom to work with it.
But I did get my USB thumb to work. So I selected USB support with Himem. Then select 1 for mass storage. Also old system which is USB 1.1 was how my USB stick got detected. It will then assign your thumb the C: prompt. So just stick the files on the thumb.
Probably a better way. But this junky/clunky system wouldnt work any other way for me.
Good Luck
One stick of ram and now a useless TLB fix on my phenom. Gonna shoot the board. Maybe RMA... Or take the time to put a x2 in to this board and see if the ram works with that.
Gotta have 2gbs to play games now days.
:(
That is not good news. How will we know if they are BE's or not when we order them .At least you were in the position to check them first .KTE were these part numbers indicated on these:
OEM Tray = HD960ZWCJ4BGD /
PIB = HD960ZWCGDBOX
Try it, usually it works. You can use MSI Live Update 3 and you can get v1.1 flashed within Windows without anything other if that fails. I use a FDD always, never tried the USB method with this board. Too much of a headache and FDD method is very easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
I am sure I've read somwhere by MSI that you need to first get into DOS environment by having the few necessary files on the USB/CD. Then type the relevant commands to flash using the flash utility as long as USB detection is enabled and your board can see it as a drive.
More info might be on the MSI site although I couldn't find it with a quick look.
Flash v1.1 from MSI site as above. You don't need 1.22, it's literally crap. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brains1
Are you placing memory in DIMM slot 1 and 2?
Are you setting voltage to 2.2V or 2.3V?
Are you choosing dividers below 1:2?
Are you changing RAM timings manually to the rated spec?
You have to do this before you know if its compatible. So far based on what you've said the Phenom compatibility is the issue and not the board since the memory controller is within Phenom. Also if your RAM is not specified as compatible (tested) the it isn't MSI's fault. I learnt that too. :(
They were retail so it should be the second. I don't recall off memory but I don't think they were those P/N. I think the 'Z' was replaced by a '0' which IIRC is the standard 9600, i.e HD9600WCGDBOXQuote:
Originally Posted by Swanie
I'll checkup again. But I now know who the distributor is and have been in touch and they still insist it's the Black Edition. :rolleyes:
Me thinks they're playing games since they had promised delivery of 30 PCS of 9600 BE by 23rd and maybe never had them so sent common 9600 instead. I've even seen the dispatch note and invoice, they state 9600 Black Edtion. :rolleyes:
That is truely a shame. I had such high hopes when you mentioned a possible Phenom BE test. Lets hope this situation can be resolved quickly.
USB method is pretty easy get HP format utility from bootdisk.com and a dos bootdisk image. extract the image with winimage. format the usb key. copy over the flasher and bios. reboot
Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
That's the method but are you sure the USB drive is picked up on this board?Quote:
Originally Posted by blargman
yes it does..Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
ya both my usb hd and flash drive are.Quote:
Originally Posted by gareth170
umm, i hid some questions in that quote on accident. haha, if u missed them kte :D
Thanks gareth170. I've not tried USB flash on this board, some boards allow it and others have problems with USB detection in DOS environment especially new boards. :)
LOL! I did :D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by blargman
I'm normally rushing you see :stick:
Yep they did. But it doesn't resolve anything I've seen yet, certainly not the 1066 issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by blargman
Yes manually. Auto normally sets VDIMM to 1.8 or 1.9V which is too low for many RAMs especially 2x2GB. ;)Quote:
Are you setting voltage to 2.2V or 2.3V? ( You do this manually? I've always set mine to auto.)
Auto will choose 1:2 divider. You can choose it manually to 1:2 or anything lower, should work fine. Higher than that usually errors unless you have JEDEC approved 1.8V 1066 RAM which is hardly anyone.Quote:
Are you choosing dividers below 1:2? (same here, auto :s )
Check your SPD/EPP info with CPU-Z under the SPD tab. That should list the values you need from CAS to tRC and tRFC. You can check the rest in AOD memeory to see what they are at bootup and play about until you find the RAM upper and lower limit. Keep testing stability though.Quote:
Are you changing RAM timings manually to the rated spec? (how would one know what these are?)
hrmm, interesting. i'll definitely play around with it when i get home....ermm, i mean the memory that is ... :D thanks KTE
**If any of ya can contact MSI then request them for a BIOS option to control CPU NB Voltage. It's doable and it's one of the main options we need.**
As for me, MSI doesn't seem to like me too much nowadays. :D
Just so you all know I managed to get the Bios flashed...:)
I found an old floppy drive with 98 on it that loaded the CD drivers, unfortunatly there wasn't enough room on the floppy, so I just burned a Cd with the flasher and the BIN file on it... Kinda cheesy I know, but Hey it worked :p:
Looks like I hit a wall for the night... 228 HT stable 2.6 Ghz, the only redeeming factor was I didn't have to bump any V's except my Mem to 2.0 which is within it's specs (2.0-2.1)....
This is more of a PITA than I had expected! Guess I thought I was special or something... :rofl:
Well here the link to the MSI Tool to update your BIOS on a MSI mobo. It works like a charm- for a USB stick/device ( the one KTE was refering to)
http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=113295.0
NB multi control is required also.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
That would be why the X2 Black Edition system works with the 2 rams sticks.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Because of the memory controller is in the processor.
Ugh.
Will try to enter all the specs. AGAIN. You know my ram says 2.15v But the board only does it in tenths. So I have 2.1 then 2.2.
Also. Has anybody gotten the ram at 1066mhz? With on stick I played around with the divider. I got a half post with a logo screen colors all messed up.
Right now I'm just looking for a post at any speed with two sticks
Good news my X2 Black runs two sticks with a 4-4-4-12 but 743mhz. I have not pushed it yet. I have enough computer headaches with this phenom and another intel system.
Thanks Swanie. :)
Yep, that too Mr.Q. But I doubt IMC multi is changeable on the fly. A hardware limitation me thinks.
Brains1: yep that's another thing they need to allow, finer voltage adjustements. Going up in 0.1V is a massive jump for memory and near enough any component.
No one has 1066 working on MSI/DFI/ASUS boards which is not 1066 1.8V SPD rated. Only Gigabyte boards that I've seen yet doing 1066 at 200HT ref.
Will do it right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
EBL
Follow-up: K, just sent online Tech Support a rather impassioned
PLEA to give us CPU NB Voltage adjustment option in the
next BIOS update :D
I'll report back when I get a response :rolleyes:
Thanks EBL :D
It'll let us test the NB speeds and to see it's limits and bugs with voltage.
You guys have no idea how much help this thread has been! Thanks KTE...et all!!
Here's a screeny of what I consider decent...
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...burt/240HT.jpg
Check out the NB Speed though!! It almost seems to be tied to the HT link speed... :confused: Whats even stranger is I can't change the HT Multi in AOD either (not sure about bios)...
My NB FID=2 in p-states, that should be 9x right? Am I missing something? :shrug:
@Daveburt714
If your NB multi is at 6x then max HTT multi will be 6x because HTT can't be faster than NB....
My Phenom was benchable @240HTT, but that was far from stable....
With time I'm finding that only below 2.38GHz system is fully stable under x64 OS...
What's funny is that even if I boot @2.53GHz or 2.6GHz I can run Orthos, Prime and AOD tester for hours with no errors. Only when gaming my system is hanging up. Best test so far - Crysis in CF. If that game runs, then anything runs.
For example @2.5GHz I had freezes after just 3-120seconds of playtime :p:
@2.43GHz I could play max. 3-15 minutes
@2.4GHz Crashed within 1h
@2.38GHz NEVER crashed!
:clap: to Crytek for developing very good stability tester :p:
I simply need new CPU ;)
You're very welcome. :)
Yep, Processor Performance State NB FID 02 = 6x multiplier (240x6=1440)
As I mentioned earlier, HT speed can only be equal or below NB speed. ;)
If you want to oc, throw CPU Voltage in BIOS up to ~1.45V.
For some reason, Phenom deosn't seem to scale with voltage. Around 1.35V seems to be the limit I'm seeing with most people and it gets you around 2.47GHz stable. I'm sure this is linked to the VID. We need higher VIDs.
A very good (doable for all I reckon) setting to try 24/7 is 220x11 @ 1.33V and keep NB FID 06, HT Link 1800MHz and RAM at 1:2.
Keep an eye on AOD CPU VDDC so that it stays ≥1.33V.
Did some more testing last night KTE, and NB seems to stay stable considerably higher if I use GANGED memory mode. Perhaps relieves stress on controller or NB?
CPU @ 2706Mhz | NB @ 2200Mhz | HT @ 1000Mhz | Mem 410Mhz (820mhz) 5,5,5,18,2T
Passed '06 no probs
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4449632
doesn't that make your memory run in single channel mode? does mine last time I checked. :S
Yes, it does. I noticed a small drop in mem performance but this could be counter-acted with faster memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by blargman
I'm gonna pop off the NB heatsink and try cooling with my waterblock to see if there's anymore headroom left in it.
Yep. It's quicker for single threaded access and slower for multi-threaded access. Overall=>slower. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blargman
MR.Q: Nice testing. One thing though; have you tried 2100/2200 in unganged mode with the same settings? Is that possible?
Since you booted high IMC clocks, you can get higher CPU volts too than anyone who can't. Running sub-2.1GHz on NB, I could never get plus 1.484V available for CPU but above 2.15GHz and higher CPU volts were offered. You have 1.568V applied, I've seen 3GHz 1M at those volts possible. Tried it again yet?
Don't try that one just yet. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MR.Q
The NB speed = IMC speed. It's within the CPU.
That NB onboard is just the chipset and does nothing for us concerned here. :)
So the only thing which can effect IMC speed is the a) CPU cooling b) IMC volts c) CPU volts.
just a quick question:
on AM2+ motherboards, the max NB mulitplier is 9...what about on AM2 boards?
Same... if it works. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcmtl
Too many of the AM2 MBs do not support Phenom yet or at least not properly so they give false clock readings (like 3GHz/4GHz=>8GHz when you're at stock). So you have no idea how to tell what the real NB speed/multi is at that time.
Only way to judge is to run benchmarks we know the scaling of.
Well, I started out at NB 9x, seems AOD was lowering the Multi while I was upping the HT clock... I'm not sure if its just my chip (0745 MPMW) or what, but I can't seem to get any kind of stability above 1850 on the NB...:(Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I see all these screen shots above 2k and my chip just won't do it reliably!!
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...t/230x11x8.jpg
AOD seemed to be a little quirky too, so I just started OC'ing through the Bios.... This is with an 8x Multi on the NB (1840), and all V's at stock. Hopefully this will be a stable place to come back too!! :D
One wierd thing I noticed was that upping the V's actually caused more instability on my machine! If I even bump the voltages I seriously doubt if it would boot with these settings... Wierd... :shrug:
Oh well, Good signs everywhere!! I've been running 4 instances of Prime, typing this message, using the clipboard and paint and uploading to photobucket!!! :D
Guess I better hurry up and post this Bad Boy!!!! :rofl:
That can't happen. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
On-the-fly NB multi change is not physically possible AFAIK. You might have set NB speed too high so it lowered it at bootup but that would have to be at bootup.
I've hardly seen many yet. Around 2-2.25GHz I've seen but not stable. Also you have to feed it more volts if you want high NB speed. Like above 1.4V.Quote:
I see all these screen shots above 2k and my chip just won't do it reliably!!
:confused:Quote:
One wierd thing I noticed was that upping the V's actually caused more instability on my machine! If I even bump the voltages I seriously doubt if it would boot with these settings... Wierd... :shrug:
Try it. Go up one notch on HT ref than what you have above, don't move volts in BIOS. Does it boot? If so stability test it (P95/game)
Then reboot but set high volts at the same MHz. Any difference? If not go up one notch in AOD on HT ref and retry above testing. ;)
Just got home from a party!!! Happy F'n New Years folks!!!
I'm sure you gave me some good advice KTE... I'll check it tommorow! Hic....... :wiggle:
I couldn't wait for the BE... But this isn't a bad chip for $239!! At the last settings I posted... It will definetly hold me over till the B3 stepping!
It's the 1st here since 9hrs35mins ;)
My last reply is exactly when I got back from some celebrations too. Happy new year mate!! :D
Ok... I'm sure your right... But I set NB FID to 2, per your instuctions for the handicapped guy.... :cool: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Just look a couple messages up.. Mr.Q is over 2100 (granted thats Ganged)..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I'm not done messing with stuff yet KTE, But a 2.53 Stable Phenom is working pretty good for me right now!! :up:
See the thread earlier. I ran 2.64GHz CPU & 2.16GHz IMC/HT including stress testing and benching, uptime was 24/7 for over 3 weeks, bootup values. But it still wasn't stable. After 4 weeks at that the chip would never boot that again. :(
Same with 2.85GHz CPU 2.07GHz IMC/HT.
Same with 2.75GHz CPU 2GHz IMC/HT.
Same with >2.5GHz CPU >2GHz IMC/HT.
Dual channel.
On one day max fully stable was 2.85GHz.
4 days after it was 2.3GHz.
3 days after it was 2.75GHz.
2 days after it was 2.3GHz.
2 days after it was 2.64GHz.
And so on.
Until it finally reached max stable (bootable) of ~2.5GHz.
Maximum fully stable running WCG at 100% load for 24/7 was 1.98GHz IMC/HT.
People on Gigabyte boards are getting better IMC clocks and stability. On the MSI board, not much. Its a hit and miss situation.
Pick a clock speed, stress test it, bench it, run it for 3-4 weeks, bootup, boot down, hibernate, standby and the you'll know if its stable. :)
Yes KTE i agree mine has also gone down from 2.72 to 2.53 and now i can only do 2.42 stable for gaming and general use. Stress testing at 2.53 is fine but forget playing a game like Crysis for more than a hour. What you think the cause of this decrease in performance. Happy New Year all.
Well, you were right KTE.... I left it to prime overnight and it didn't make it through the night. Then it started showing instability again today....
So I did bump the v's up one notch on the Vcore and NB, and it seems to be OK again... The wide performance swings you've seen are pretty odd, hope that doesn't happen to me!
Do you think it's related to the Mobo or the processor itself?
As for upping the V's I had them both cranked while testing and didn't see any real benefit from it as far as improving my OC...
Of course.... I could have gone a little too far the other way ;)
If only the bugger would run like this consistantly :(
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4478136
Wow Mr Q that is a awesome speed .Keep it up. I never got close to that speed.
I tried that auto overclock thing with my Canine A2 CF and I was able to boot into windows fine @ 2640MHz. 3dmark06's CPU test froze though.
Anywhere in 2.5 seems fine with auto settings. I will try some real overclocking later.
@Mr.Q
Just curious, did you loosen up your memory timings? And if so, which ones...
Thanks.... Dave
I'll let you know the basic Phenom pattern. ;)
If you want similar overclocks to Mr.Q:
Get >1.25VID
VCore +1.5V
Low NB/HT
It should run close to 2.8-2.9GHz with those, benchable. Probably not stable though and probably not repeatedble consistently.
On 1.20VID you won't get above 2.8GHz benchable (maybe not even screenable) at best and ~1.45V. It's a lower performance state, thus lower MHz/TDP allowed. This wa the main problem with mine, it switched VID too often auto.
Max I benched was 2850 and I ran it for many days. I didn't go above 2870MHz on benching and that was only little apps. Mainly because I couldn't be bothered as it was that unstable.
Mr.Q: Yep. I thought you'd benched 3GHz too Mr.Q? :confused:
I hope those temps are chilled watercooling or they're being reported wrongly. Phenom 1.2V 1.20VID idles near 12C above ambient with the best air HSF and some deltas or with medicore WC. With voltage and VID increase TDP shoots up v.quickly and at 1.53V 1.25VID, you'll be seeing high temps. ;)
sadly no KTE. If I retain the 9x NB at boot and use unganged mode the max I can get NB speed to is 2047mhz or thereabouts :(Quote:
originally posted by KTE
MR.Q: Nice testing. One thing though; have you tried 2100/2200 in unganged mode with the same settings? Is that possible?
I set all my memory subtimings to auto for this Dave. I usually manually set them but have allowed auto to remain since my last cmos reset. I figured I'd give the memory an easier time and concentrate on the cpu/nb speeds. KTE is correct with his info below.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
This is exactly the case as KTE has said. NB was dropped to a multi of 7 before this which allows for more headroom on the cpu fsb.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Not quite 3Ghz no, I've a 3003mhz screeny from AOD but it was so unstable half the screenshot is corrupt, as in the bottom half is pure grey. Max verified so far is 2948mhz using cas 4 on mem or 2937mhz using cas 3 on this A-data DDR2-800.Quote:
Mr.Q: Yep. I thought you'd benched 3GHz too Mr.Q? :confused:
I hope those temps are chilled watercooling or they're being reported wrongly. Phenom 1.2V 1.20VID idles near 12C above ambient with the best air HSF and some deltas or with medicore WC. With voltage and VID increase TDP shoots up v.quickly and at 1.53V 1.25VID, you'll be seeing high temps. ;)
For cooling I basically have my pc outside. I've fitted intake hoses to port chilled air from outside directly onto the cpu hsf aswell as running the cpu fan on 15v which drops a further 4c from my cpu's idle temps. I've fitted another intake hose directly onto my system memory with a 12v 80mm fan fitted directly on top of the dimms, then finally my gpu is also fitted with a 12v 80mm fan drawing air directly from outside which as you know gets exhausted directly out of the case rear with g80's. This leads to my case ambient temps being very low. The highest cpu load temp I ever see with 4 cores fully loaded is 43c at 1.560v-1.580v :up:
What kind of memory speeds are typical with these Phenoms guys?
I am not even sure of how to ask that question as there are so many variables I am sure but I guess help me fill in the blanks to some degree please;)
one word, great.
Whether it's unganged mode or the fact there are two mem controllers to split the workload I am unsure.....but any memory Ive tested on this phenom rig far exceeds anything I can get with the same dimms on any other rig to-date.
For example on my 6000+ rig I had this a-data ddr2-800 (5,5,5,18,2t) running at 790mhz using 4,4,4,12,2t which I was happy with. Sticking to cas 5 allowed the dimms to reach 430mhz-ish stable. Now with the very same memory running in the phenom rig I can push 445mhz with 3,5,5,18,2t with I'm sure more headroom. I couldn't even get my M2N-E SLi deluxe with 6000+ to boot at ddr2-800 cas4:down:
If I had better memory then I'm sure I'd see even better results, but for el-cheapo mem at £17 per 1GB you really can't complain :)
Can you run the Ram at 1066 without overclocking the cpu too much especially if it wont show you any love:p:
Mr.Q: thanks for the feedback. Banned because you were soldnermofo?
Brother:1066 (divider 1:2.66) at stock HT ref. (200MHz) doesn't work on MSI boards yet. Max possible is 1:2 divider whcih gives DDR2-800 at stock HT reff.
To get higher, you need to drop CPU multiplier and have a high HT ref. while keeping 1:2 Mem divider. In that way you can have speeds like below:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8232/1040mp3.png
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3253/cpuzwf4.png
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6...rimezr9.th.jpg
am i drunk or that is a 2800mhz phenom with 1.2v?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMike
The Voltage that refers to is Voltage ID (VID). Different to VCore and all apps usualy report Core Voltage of Phenom as the VID.
Yep, I was at 1.2VID rather than 1.25VID which you'll find around.
However, my voltage needed for stability was high. This'll shed a better light on it (CPU VDDC) -below.
1.232V gets 2640MHz max stable.
im confused, how does using a phenom cpu make ram timings better? im able to hit 490 stable at 4-4-4-12 with my really cheap patriots 6400 at 2.3v. im scared to see what they could do with your cpu
It won't do really. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
What you get with an X2 is v.close if not exact what you'll get with Phenom with respect to RAM timings.
The RAM I'm using is very good. It constently hits 1200 4-4-4-4 2.2V with Intel CPUs.
KTE, are you still running the 1.13 bios?
I'm really starting to wonder if I have a bad board/chip... When I was having problems last night I set every thing back to stock, it booted into windows and then locked up as soon as I went to open AOD... Guess it could have been a problem with AOD because I lost it and had to delete/reinstall...
I've been OC'ing for years and I've just never seen such odd behavior from a chip before... One time it will crank and next time it won't boot...
Oh well, guess I'll try MSI's 1.1 bios (board came with 1.0) when I get off work...
If I've read things correctly, upping the CPU Vid from 1.2 to 1.25 increases the current to the chip right? (I haven't touched that yet...)Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Actually, I don't think I've had Vcore over 1.4... ;)
I'm not trying to be a wimp, but doesn't that seem like alot of power for a 65nm chip? My Opty 185 (90nm) only needs 1.43v's to run 3.0Ghz....
Maybe I'm not Xtreme enough for this forum... :rofl:
All kidding aside, I bought this Phenom to play with, and my 3Ghz Opty is still sitting here if things go really bad....
I've only been playing with it for a few days, but it seems like keeping NB/HTT clocks close to each other gives better results, ie:same multi (of course I could be totally wrong!)......
As long as I keep them both around 1800, would that be OK.. or should I lower them even more? Thanks for any advice in advance!!
BTW, I decided to stay with the 1.113 bios for now...
@ Tye hey what are you're thoughts brother Phenom 9500 they seem to do as well as the next as it would seem until B3 comes to bat and they are $189.00 on the EGG:) or is the 9600 any better probably not right?
Yep. Trying some new ones soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Lockups when opening AOD occur when its trying to initialize the 790FX clock generator. That's an AOD problem it seems, I had it myself at first. Could be the board too though. ;)Quote:
I'm really starting to wonder if I have a bad board/chip... When I was having problems last night I set every thing back to stock, it booted into windows and then locked up as soon as I went to open AOD... Guess it could have been a problem with AOD because I lost it and had to delete/reinstall...
Check your AOD log files for errors.
Same here. ;)Quote:
I've been OC'ing for years and I've just never seen such odd behavior from a chip before... One time it will crank and next time it won't boot...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=23
1.1 is better than 1.0, it was much better for me anyway.Quote:
Oh well, guess I'll try MSI's 1.1 bios (board came with 1.0) when I get off work...
It should be 1.25VID stock, but at times the chip automatically decreases VID. Yep, it decides P-States, which decide amps fed to to each core as well and thus stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
True, many K8s oc'd far higher than this but K10 isn't a mature core, the quad core manufacturing is new and unmatured and this is a quad at the same node as K8 was, so it can't get much lower. Especially with native quad, bins are no where near as good as dual-core and in decent yeilds as dual MCM will be. I didn't expect higher, but 1.45V 3GHz should still be achievable on some K10s. The problem isn't a power/volts one the way I see it but a core design problem.Quote:
I'm not trying to be a wimp, but doesn't that seem like alot of power for a 65nm chip? My Opty 185 (90nm) only needs 1.43v's to run 3.0Ghz....
1.25VID is stock though, giving around 19A per core at 1.232V which is within the 95W TDP. So it is still good, stock CPU power draw is not bad. There's many screaming it's this or that. None can run a few simple tests and provide me feedback to compare with themselves since online reviews are just so differing in variables and tenbd to take things too far in extreme tangents than what we want to know.
Sounds good to me. :)Quote:
I've only been playing with it for a few days, but it seems like keeping NB/HTT clocks close to each other gives better results, ie:same multi (of course I could be totally wrong!)......
1800 after oc'ing is fine, even 1900 is fine in many cases, but not before oc'ing as oc will make it go higher up quite obviously.Quote:
As long as I keep them both around 1800, would that be OK.. or should I lower them even more?
Phenom is doing well in EU, don't know about US. Price is much cheaper in US all round than in EU for devices. I sold mine cheaper than you can get an used E6750 here. Price drops are decent around the EU for Phenom but not much on Kentsfields at all so the difference increases and most people feel about what they have to pay there and then and the damage it does to their pockets rather than long term or logically. It still occupies a market niche, a segment orientated specific displacement but you can't say it competes with Core 2 offerings at stock vs stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
anyone try 1.24 yet? I'm gonna try it when i get home.
Let me us know how they work for you Blargman!!
MSI seems really slow at releasing official Bios....
If you could post a link or attatchment that would be Killer...:D
Thanks. Dave
Have a new CPU since a day, but don't have the board with me to try. Getting back to flat on Wednesday.
MSI board and Black Edition 9600 (and 800SPD DIMMs) - easy clock:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/ms...ighNBclock.png
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/ms...ghNBclock2.png
I'll post some Sandra screens next
Those NB/HT bus speeds are Impressive Macci!!! :clap:
I didn't realize the NB Multis would be unlocked too.... I can set mine above 9x in p-states, and it will show it as higher in AOD, but it won't actually apply the settings.....
Or do you have some double secret probationary bios? :D
Edit: Actually it will take the higher Multi, but it locks my HT Ref clock...
Thanks for the peek Sammi :D
12k Sandra?
That BIOS is needed here.. any help? :)
With unlocked VIDs/MUltis, this could be an adventure if you know what you're doing.
And throw those timings 4-4-4-4 please, we want to see some latency/bandwidth over K8 here. ;)
macci.....have you taken a look at the DFI 790FX-M2R Yet if so can you explain some of the HT Settings?
@Tye......you get you're BE yet brother?
Got it yesterday. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=488
same clocks as in the earlier pic:
Sandra:
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/SS1321_mem.png
and then Sandra but with just lower NB clock (2320MHz vs. 2532MHz in the 1st pic):
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/SS1321_mem23NBclk.png
And same with Everest - notice which tests are affected by the NB clock:
2532NB
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/Ev_2637.png
2320NB
http://img.techpowerup.org/080105/Ev_2637_23NBclk.png
How is it that Sandra is Higher than Everest its usually the other way around?
Because Everest is still testing memory subsytem by loading only one CORE of CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
New SP1 of Sandra has reworked testing routines and it's loading all available CORES of CPU thus Phenom memory controller is fully utilized. :up:
Is this thing worth getting?
Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
Nice to see what a cherry-picked golden sample can do in the hands of an engineer, but what about in reality?
Not to soumd insulting towards Sammi but those were my thoughts as well;)
Well nice to see some BE action but we need some more details :) ? new bios for msi? retail cpu?
some mem action with msi mobo :) for me it's quite impressive thought :P
BTW cpu z only show's correctly cpu speed :( ... mems are 1:2 divider nb somewhere near 1500mhz or 1750mhz and ht multi 5x
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08015/muisti1.jpg