its more ice-cool lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
impressive work :up:, you can even use it as a fridge maybe! :D
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its more ice-cool lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
impressive work :up:, you can even use it as a fridge maybe! :D
:clap:
I will be watercooling the harddrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXa
zomg. Ive had my eye on this since it started... its lookin kick ass.
Ive been wondering how well ull be able to keep a vacum on this though. even if u seal around the wires in a wirebox, couldnt the vacum still be lost through the internal sleeving of the wires? Unless im missing something here, i cant see it really holding a vacum, even at 1000 micron. I could be wrong. I wanna see more of THAT part in this project.
i havn't read this word for word but i think hes not vacuuming but pressurizing the chamber with a intert gas IE nitrogen or co2
Your correct Teyber....I will vacuum the chamber to remove as much moisture as possible and then pressurize with 5 to 10 PSI nitrogen.Quote:
Originally Posted by teyber
hey Sweeper, is the air pressure in the sealed box going to be measured as well? Or does that even effect the parts? and is the clear glass going to be able to support this pressure.
Yes, air pressure will be monitored from the gauge on the control panel and the glass panel is 1 1/4" thick....so, I'm sure the air pressure will not affect the glass.Quote:
Originally Posted by |\|EW|3
olroight then. so how is it taht u remove all the moisture from that container?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
By vacuuming it out as stated
but obviously not with ur standard house vacuum right?Quote:
Originally Posted by sinephase
i mean is there any thing in particular for type of vaccum?
try google. He is making a nearly air-tight container for the parts that will need to be condensation proofed. A vacuum pump is a tool used in refrigeration that gets rid of nearly everything its vacuuming. This gets rid of most of the condensation. he will vacuum the chamber and then purge it with a inert gas, without moisture, so no condensation will form as there is no water molecules in the air inside the container.Quote:
Originally Posted by |\|EW|3
is that HUMOR i feel?
or ... u serious.?lol
yea say it. NEWBBBBB
Been a while since I have seen the progress..still phenomenal..and getting better. Any set plans on what will be 'worthy' enough to be held within the splendor of that case? I can't imagine it being a CPU from this planet..
My original plan was to use ASUS Striker II Extreme 790i Ultra, Intel QX9770 and GTX 280 SLI setup, but as this project drags out. The setup maybe obsolete, before I complete the project.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CL3P20
I'm currectly looking for male and female molex connectors to complete the wiring harness for the cooling chamber. Once I complete the wiring, I will start installing my test components and fire the system up.:yepp:
so does that mean your almost done???
You are doing a great job.
Your cooling system is awesome, its incredible.
Its a PC icebox.
Thanks Laser,Quote:
Originally Posted by LASER
I haven't updated in awhile, because I'm having to redesign the wiring harness for the cooling chamber. Once I get the materials, I will update you guys with the progress.
go slow to go far ( as the chinese proverb prays) .. take your time! you ve already made a great job
Gees,
This is just awsome. Can't wait for more.
RussC
Me Neither!!
Maybe a stupid question from a total noob (who is, incidentally, totally blown away with the amazing attention to detail of this project) but are there not any off the shelf solutions to taking your electrical connections through the wall of the MB box? (old mans memory is thinking of amphenol connectors being air/water tight)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
I'm sure there are easier ways to run the wires in the chamber. But, I decided to build a panel with approximately 20 different types of connectors for future expansion that will be attached to the chamber and air tight. It will be a clean installation and the power supply can be upgraded by just plugging in a new one without having to disassemble the chamber.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldChap
I'm almost complete with milling the panel and will start installation of connectors and wires soon. I've also done some changes to the inside of the chamber, which involved making more parts for future components.
I know this project is dragging out and I appreciate you guys being patient. Believe me...I'm ready for this thing to be finished.:D
just read through all 18 pages, this thing is incredible!
subbed :cool:
I also couldn't stop reading. I kept looking at the postings date and hoping you finished before I got to the final page. Absolutely stunning, I will be back to see the conclusion.
hey so is the chamber going to be easily accessible...or at all for replacement of parts and such?
Yes, the glass panel is removable for adding different components. The wiring and liquid loop hose will be covered with closure panels inside the chamber and that is the reason for making a permanent wiring panel to be accessible from the outside of the chamber.Quote:
Originally Posted by |\|EW|3
Yeah sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
Once it's done there will be this giant hole in your psyche and you'll have to start another amazing project :D
Yeah, your right! I'm working on another project at this time. Its a direct die system for testing evaporators. It won't be nothing like Goliath, but it will keep me busy!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CyberDruid
I like to get opinions from you guys about colors for the inside of the cooling chamber. I thought about leaving it aluminum finish, but now I'm thinking of painting the inside for a little bling. My fans are blue LED's and braided sleeving will be black....so, I was thinking glossy orange, black or red.
What do you guys think a good color combination would be for the inside of the chamber?
id leave it with the brush finish, paint may not go well with low temps.
Im hearing you I took a few days to get through it very addictive can't wait to see final product.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
There are no words that could express the amount of admiration and respect I have for people with your level of tinkerbilities. OH and I'd go red inside so that ambient light reflects and allows you to more easily see if something is amiss.
With the level of build quality so far I had visions of you polishing this to a mirror finish :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
My vote is for no paint...at least in the cooling chamber
+1 get it running and then maybe you could change it later but see how it looks running.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldChap
now build a photo voltaic array to power it.
That would be one of my dreams become true ( a chiller with photovoltaic power)Quote:
Originally Posted by mike8913
Acid etch a custom goliath logo in the chamber.
Any chance of a comparisn shot, say to a normal case, or you stood next to it :)
good god man.....i just got done reading all 18 pages i cant wait to see the end result of this, it looks absolutly amazing.
i know your not going in this direction, but... since your going to cool the mb down to about -40c with no moisture in the box, would it be possible to really chill a cpu?? down to myabe -200 :D or lower with the right phase change....
Thanks for the compliment. Its funny you should mention phase change cooling in the chamber....I have plans to add direct die evaporator to the cpu, if all the components combined dumps to much heat in the liquid loop.Quote:
Originally Posted by skycrane
It will not be hard to add, the only problem would be a seperate system outside the chamber. I've already made the evaporator block and mount....just need to build compressor system. I'm sure the unit will never get down to -200, because the phase exchange system I will build would be a singe stage. I have to finish what I started first, then if it fails to perform as expected....then, it will be time to add the phase exchanger.:D
Any plans for your choice of motherboard and CPU ... perhaps, in light of the fact that some MB/CPU's are more overclockable than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
Are you aiming at the fastest/most_powerfull rig on the planet ???
That said, what are your plans for the graphics. GPU(s) and (hi/low res) screen display ??
Have you any plans for multiple CPU's ... possibly even 3 or 4 ?
Gr8 project !
It's all good.
:):mad::D
Pascal
I vote for leaving the interior as is. It's bling enough... lights will add all the color you need IMO.
:eek2: OMG!!! I have been imagining what that would be like since I started reading this thread some months ago, but I didn't mention anything because I assumed you must have a really good reason why direct-die on the CPU wouldn't work. It would be simply immense if you did add something like that. Can I just ask, though, as this is such an extreme project in every other way, why single stage on the CPU? Compared to the rest of the project, that's a bit vanilla, isn't it? Cascade all the way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
Seriously though, this is awesome. :cool:
The only reason I would not use a Cascade is because I can't get the gases. All I have available is R507.:( I'm thinking about deleting the water cooling for the harddrives and build a single stage in its place. I don't like the idea of having a seperate cooling system attached outside the Goliath case. The whole idea of this build is to have all components in one case. If I decide to make the change, now is the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by lloydsmart
Guys, I made two decisions this morning and one will delay the project a little longer. The first decision is to not paint the interior of the cooling chamber. I made new clousure panels to cover the liquid loop and wires. The brush aluminum finish should look fine after everything is assembled....besides, I can't find a paint that will withstand the low tempertures.
The delay will be adding a direct die system to the CPU. I feel its more important to cool the CPU seperate from the other components. I will use the liquid loop to cool the GPU's and NB. I will be deleting water cooling for the harddrives and install the direct die system in its place. So, now my project has gotten a little more extreme and still can be called a Triple Cooling System.:D
The components used in building the direct die system will be a Danfoss SC12CLX.2 compressor, R507 refrigerant, 32 pass condenser and my CrossFlow evaporator. I think this will do the job well.:D
DAMN!
The already extreme project turns out to be even more XTREME !!!
Can't wait to see pics when it's finished.
I hope you're not an employee of 3D Realms: "It's done when it's done!" :D
(Waiting decades for the Duke to be released.)
This project just SCREAMS for a dual socket board!:D
Gloss black interior IMHO
I must agree :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberDruid
Farking nuts, Sweeper. I've seen a lot of crazy stuff around here, but yours tops them all. Probably the closest would be the guy who had the chilled water line running through his back yard through his garage and into the back of his PC.
Nice work. I really like the idea of the condensation-free chamber.
Are you sure you wouldn't rather go with a tried and true Intel board and 4 gpus like I have? Can't get more extreme than this in the graphics world for now. Heck though, x58 will be out by the time you finish this with support for both SLI and Crossfire, so you'll have even more options.
Bright orange certainly has my vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
I've always been a gr8 fan of the NSRI , Asterix & Obelix and the Celts (mostly orange/ginger hair) .
Somehow, inner beauty seams more exciting than the outer shell.
It's all good !
:):devil::D
Pascal
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Awesome stuff :) When you finish that, you will be benching and benching :D
I'd like to have the skill, patience and finesse to do 5% of all what you did. (And I am not close of being a n00b)
Extremely impressive and clean. This project honestly impresses me more than a 6 stage cascade...
I was wondering why u shot straight for 5%. :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by skate2snow
it truly is astounding what you can accomplish when you take the time to read and understand what you want to do and the hve the patience to plan and experiment untill you get the results that you want. i just read this whole thread and i am very impressed with you dedication to perfection. amazing job so far. i only hope i can achieve half of the results you have so far. i am currently in the reading and understanding stage. keep up the good work.
Thanks everyone for your compliments! I'm working on a few side projects and should have some pic results soon. The phase exchanger system is going to be a very tight fit, but it will work.:rolleyes: I had to move the Goliath system this weekend to my garage and this thing must weigh about 300 lbs.:eek: Hope when I'm finished, there is not alot of moving this beast.
My wife ask me this weekend....will the "BIG Computer" use alot of electricity? I told her....No Hun, no more than the small computer you use.:rolleyes: I will pay for that comment, once the power bill arrives.:shocked:
For what it is worth, I use a similar type of chamber to seal in my motherboard to prevent condensation. As a cover gas I used CO2, mainly because it denser than air and cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
To purge the chamber of air, I had the CO2 piped in from the bottom of the chamber with the regulator set at about 1-2 PSIG and a purge valve of the type found on air compressor tanks located on the top of the chamber. I just let in some CO2 with the purge closed and then give the mixture some time to settle, open the purge. I repeat the process until I feel comfortable with the gas content of the chamber. During normal operation I leave the CO2 fill line open with the regulator set to about .5 PSIG.
The reason I bring this up is the pressure and vacuum you mention are kind of extreme. Square tanks such as the chamber in your build (or mine for that matter) don't react to pressure very well and tend to deform. I have pressure tested square fuel oil tanks with 1/4 in steel constuction up to 20 PSIG and seen temporary but significant deformation, just to give you an example of what can happen. The vacuum pressure too could have similar effects since you could reach -15 PSIG.
Just my 2 cents, you might want to consider skipping the vacuum and just trying a purge system with a pressure just over atmospheric. As a added benefit, CO2 has a better coefficient of thermal conductance than N2.
LOL. Yeah, good luck with that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
So i was checking out some of the stuff that happend a few months back. I saw those color coded wire ties!>!! INSANE...how exactly and what exactly are those doing?
Any more updates forthcoming? This has got to be one of the most extreme things I have seen anywhere on the net. Awesome job.
@ t_russell, where did you buy your E8800? Those are high volts for 4.15Ghz :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by t_russell
Yes, there will be many more updates to come. I'm currently working on several things at the same time, making condenser coil for SS, modify case to mount SS, modify wiring harness panel for evaporator to pass through to inside of cooling chamber and building heat load tester rated up to 600 watts. I want to test several different CrossFlow evaporators to find the best design, before I complete the installation of the SS. I'm afraid this might be a project that will never end. After everything is up and running, I will start working on the exterior of the case with view windows, exhaust fans and final paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by t_russell
I hope everyone will have the patients to see the final stage of this build. So, stay tuned to more results.:D
XS the X can be for many things including XtremePatience :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
Jokes aside everyone here wants to see your project done mate, no matter how long it takes it's so xtr3m3 that nobody cares about timestamps anymore :up:
i think you made a typo or havn't quite grasped a concept :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweeper
Any project that is for yourself... will never end! :D iteration after iteration hehe
Your build is incredible. Huge skill set. This is the stuff that wins competitions, gets sponsorships, and brings fame & fortune.
Fishtank PC ... not quite ice cold but certainly extreme !!!
It's all good !
:):devil::D
Pascal
OMG!!! Thats all I can say about this!
I have to ask, with the MoBO chamber being air tight l why not make it a straight chill box? Add some heat sinks to the components and freeze the entire inside of that chamber? Seems like with what your running would be more than do able? Though I am not sure about the difference in temps possible by a chill box
The cooling chamber alone, would not remove the heat from all the components. It would be like putting the components in a small refrigerator, which wouldn't work. The cooling chamber will help cool, but most of the heat will be removed with low temp liquid loop for the GPU's and direct die for the CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonFaygo
I had to put the build on hold, due to I've been working out of town for the past 6 weeks. I hope to get the project started again, after the Holidays.
Hope everyone has Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!:D
Have a safe one!!!
so how long is this project on hold till? I've been eager to hear more about it.
Lol he should be getting something going soon. I want to see the finished product!
:) You have an impressive set of skills to put this together. I have been looking thru this thread today page by page. I will be awaiting your next post. :up::up::clap::clap:
I must say after skimming this whole thread, that you have put together an amazing project. From conceptualization to execution, nothing but straight A+ marks. Well done and best of luck with the rest of the build, I will be watching for completion!! :up:
Thanks everyone for the compliments and being patient to follow my build. Unfortunately, I'm still working out of town and don't have much time to work on the build. I've been working on a few things in my spare time, but not enough to post pics of the progress. I've been working on the SS system and making changes to the liquid loop. I had to change the GPU block mounts and started building a NB block for the third loop. I sometimes wish I stuck with the original design, but I think in the end it will be a better cooling system for todays high watt components.
By the way, I'm thinking of using a controller from a Mach II system I have laying around to control the Danfoss SC12CLX.2 compressor in the SS system. Does anyone think I will have problems with using a larger compressor than what came in the Mach II? Just curious:D
just followed this 20 page project thread and the only thing thak i can say is ---- This is Xtreme :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: ----
congrats and good luck finishing this xtreme project :up:
:cry: I saw this thread started back in 2007 and I was amazed with each page and new image. I look at all 20+ pages hoping to see the EPIC!!! conclusion of the final product.
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looking forward to see what you post next :)
C'ing' is believing !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by joecop120
It's all good !
:):devil::D
Pascal
Mach controllers blow fuses as it is ;) Yeah I doubt you'll get her running with a SC18CLX.2, however you can take the PId and look up its product info, and use it as a PID for sure. Just not the control board.
Looking nice so far. I remember reading about this about a year ago and thinking it was finished by now. Thankfully you've managed to continue the awesomeness of this project. I can't wait to see the end results (but not too soon).
Ok i have seen some pretty insane things on this forum, but i have to say this is the most insanely awesome thing i have ever witnessed. You must work for NASA or something, your skills, design, and ambition are unmatched. My hat is off to you and this project:clap::clap::up:.
Hey Guys,
Been awhile since my last post. Thought I would give you guys a little update, since a few people have been asking for pics. As I stated before, I'm still working out of town and don't have much time to work on the project. But, I should start working around home in a few weeks and I will make time to finish the build. I'm still working on a few things in my spare time, but not much progress. So, here is a few pics of what I'm putting together for my SS and I also made some changes to my CrossFlow evaporator. I will keep you guys posted with my progress.
Attachment 93873
This is my new design of the CrossFlow evaporator. The channels are enlarged and the base is 4mm thick.
Attachment 93874
Few parts to get started with the SS.
Attachment 93875
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Its a tight fit, but think I have enough room. The HX will be mounted under the case and I still need to make the fan shroud.
Wait until you see how I'm running the evaporator and suction line in the cooling chamber.:D
Moar Pr0n :up:
You rly need to find time to work on this project before I explode! :explode: :p:
How about quit your job and be a full time cascade, chiller, ss builder? ;) Beautiful work.
that evap is huge for a single stage or are the pics just doing it alot of justice
did you make that evap yourself
Yes, I make my evaporators, amoung other things. The evaporator is 2" diameter and has unique flow for the refrigerant. Here is a link to more evaporators I made. They would be best used on a cascade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ight=crossflow
Nice machining work there, very impressive.
Im going to have to make it down there sometime.
Thanks ultrao1! Yes, come on down....I will put you to work helping me finish this project.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ultralo1
pfff. thats nutin u should see what im working on.
(the irony? im working on history homework.)
Keep it up sweeper ur a beast. i know ur going to be famous after you finnish this project.
I would love to help out. It will be another month or so before I can make it down.
when ya taking a trip to cali? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by ultralo1
ya come see meQuote:
Originally Posted by teyber
Let me know when you might be in the area. I moved to Pawleys Island, so I'm a little further down the coast line.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ultralo1
I just read through from page 1, this is most excellent. What an amazing feat of engineering my friend, congratulations! :up::up::up:
My only recommendation is getting mytekcontrols to build you a nice sub -100c autocascade in place of the ss you're planning! :p:
This is really amazing, hats off to you! :)
I also just read all the way through this thread for the first time, thanks to aenigma's link in the Vapor Phase Change Cooling forum.
This has got to be the most fantastic, beautifully detailed and executed refrigeration system that I have ever seen. Just flat out amazing work!!! :up:
I'll have to take more time in the future to visit the various sections to see what others are up to.
Thanks guys for your support and compliments. This should be the last week of working out of town and will get back to working on the project. I will post progress on the build soon.
That is th most craziest and what so ever cooling system I have ever seen.
Good job.