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Did you read the comments above that o wise one?
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I read all of them, lol.
So today I had my first real attempt at doing some sort of HDR photo, obviously I need a LOT more practice, but as they say, practice makes perfect.
3 shots, +2, 0, -2, Canon 40D, no tripod, photomatrix used.
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5...edresizun8.jpg
Does Photoshop CS3 handle noise better? I find Photomatrix to be... Quite bad in that department, but that could just be a new guys opinion.
After using both CS3 and Photomatix, I find that CS3 gives more realistic results and less noise, while Photomatix usually gives more surreal and impressionist results - which most often results in a higher noise ratio.Quote:
Originally Posted by JacobN
Yeah Photomatix increases noise while CS3 usually supresses it. They both combine the images in very different ways.
Photomatix is also very bad at alignment, especially if you have trees/leaves in the image.
Nothing that really compares to you guys, but thought id post them anyway. :yepp:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9...lding08jw1.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6613/weeds08pi6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...terfallhdr.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...55/shore08.jpg
My first attempts to make HDR
http://mauri.1g.fi/kuvat/jotain/puis...g/_smaller.jpg
what are the step by step guides to do hdr?
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What the...???? Is that Jurassic Park? Awesome picture.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jan
woops.. meant to include the above picture.:confused:
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dcepter1
It was to dark to see any dinos :-D
and the second picture from last night
sunset hdr
@ WiK1d
Hey mate, got that pic in 1024/768?
I love it.
-yonton228/timmy
Photoshop CS3, Photomatix, Bibble pro you name it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metric
I find Photoshop hard to use. I can get it done but things that should take very little time end up taking me hours.
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...ldharbours.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...r/hdr1855s.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...drartcafes.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...r/hdrbarns.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...r/hdrblues.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...hdrchouses.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...hdrdiggers.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za.../hdrgreens.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...drgreens2s.jpg
http://flytek.effectivehosting.co.za...ewharbours.jpg
Read the comments about HDR and using 1 photo where you've adjusted exposures for a pseudo-HDR attempt. Found a situation where it helped get what I wanted, since I had no tripod when I took the shot and also needed to get it posted quickly with minimal PS time.
I don't often use this technique, but thought this one came out okay. (With no tripod available, I didn't try separate exposures, just adjusted +/- 2, then ran through Photomatix).
http://shazza53.smugmug.com/photos/4...48_waWBq-L.jpg
Not bad shazza, I'm seeing a bit of over-saturation and noise common to Photomatix but other than that, not bad.
Agree - especially in the ceiling, where it was too dark to begin with. Definitely would be better with separate shots, instead of working with one exposure. Also could have used some cleanup in PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
@ S E T H - nice series!
Damn nice job you guys, I will be adding mine soon.
How many of you guys use a Single RAW file to create HDR ?
i can and do both single, double or tripple....it depends on how many images are required to get the details in the light and the dark areas.
i now shoot RAW exclusively in case i need to hdr even a single shot...and when planning and hdr shot i'll shoot 3 shots to get the absolute maximum dynamic range to play with
Yea playing with 3 or 5 different EV shots is fun
s e t h those are lookin real good!
thanks...i've taken a lot of pics lately...only had a camera for about 3 months or so and already i'm on 14000 shots.
you must see how many dodgy ones i took to get a few good ones :D:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2...apped2dum5.png
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/d...ng/1/w1034.png
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/321...700toneqt4.png
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/dsc...png/1/w800.png
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8...800x600iy4.png
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/d...png/1/w800.png
My 1st HDRs with D40 w/o tripod and -2,-1,0,1,2 EV.
did I mess it up ??
Taken from a moving bus.
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...-11024x768.jpg
ANP, what are you using for processing?
Soul, These are single RAW file HDRs created using Adobe Lightroom.
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/p...-31024x768.jpg
I don't like the effect. Looks like an overly liberal use of filters to me, not HDR :shrug:
How do you create HDR's from Lightroom?Quote:
Originally Posted by ANP !!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate P.
Take your base photo, make 2 virtual copies of it ... adjust exposure for one by -2EV, the other by +2EV, then export all three photos and run them through HDR software like Photomatix.
(You don't have to do +/- 2EV, that's just the commonly used bracketing).
Oh, yeah, I knew how to do that, I thought he did the entire process in Lightroom...Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
This isn't creating any more dynamic range because you can't create new data that doesn't exist as it wasn't captured in any of the base exposures. This is "Pseudo-HDR" and doesn't give real HDR results.Quote:
Originally Posted by shazza
I didn't mean to imply it gave REAL HDR, but it's the only way I know to get the affect using Lightroom. Or, at least to prepare the photos to process for a pseudo-HDR look. There are applications where it can be useful, although having the greater dynamic range of multiple exposures is always best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
Right, I just want to make sure people know about what HDR really is. We had a debate on it a while back but I think the truth has prevailed :)
The above method does "work", although you are not really creating an HDR image, just as long as people know that.
@ SETH: That's incredible.
Yea you got that right, I was gonna ask if they were real HDRs, I got my ans :p:. Although the Railway line pic did look like a good HDR attempt, while what I did was Filled some light. ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
Hey guys. I'm really liking these HDR shots I'm seing everyone use here. There are a few really good ones here.
Anyways I have a D40, a Tripod, and other things of course. but a tripod and my D40. I want to take some HDR's. I also have Lightroom 2.0 what other programs will i need, Photomatix or whatever?? I'm just wondering as I'll be trying to do these soon.
Thanks!
If you do not have Photoshop I would recommend using Corel Paintshop Pro Photo X2. It does a much better job than Photomatix, but is no match for Photoshop CS3/CS4. The price difference is significant though.
HDR with a D40 will be hard, but not impossible. Good luck ;)
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
ok now my head hurts lol.. never crossed my mind that the camera would make any difference for HDR.. I thought all that is needed is enough light variation on each shot.
sigh.. do you have a suggestions on where I could do some reading to learn more about HDR?
:) :up:
The D40 lacks auto exposure bracketing so you'll have to manually meter for each exposure which makes it more difficult compared to other cameras.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoax
its because theres no exposure bracketing.. :( as well as my D60
it is extremely difficult even with my handy dandy manfrotto.. :(
mostly because of all the ghosting and slight moving around.
ah! thanks a lot guys. that makes complete sense :yepp: :am:
If you are fast with the shutter speed dial, you won't have a problem. Measure your base exposure, then halve your exposure time. Then from there, take 3 shots, doubling it every time.
Example:
Your light meter says the sky will be properly exposed at 1/500s. So, take the exposure at 1/250s. Flip it to 1/500 and shoot, then again at 1/1000 and shoot. Just be quick but don't shake the camera during the capture.
A Tripod will help so I don't shake the Camera..
Thanks. I'll give it a try. I got Photomatix for now. I'll see how it goes.
thanks!
(and common the D40 isn't that bad, not for beginners at least)
thanks Soulburner :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
fast is not an option for me, but I should have checked the manual. the DP1 has auto bracket of up to 3 steps and I was ignoring its existence.. :slapass:
I did a couple test shots yesterday but the results were pathetic. I will have to try again this weekend but I definitely need a better theme lol
lucky..Quote:
Originally Posted by hoax
im looking into soft hacks as a solution. my company works with a pretty smart group of programmers. i might invest some money if they could hack the firmware and add a few functions. :up:
people have been talking about it for a while, but it seems there are no developers interested in the D40/X and the D60.. which sucks because its actually a pretty big group of people. Some people are trying a petition to see if they can get nikon just to add it to the firmware either free or for a fair price. i would buy it! :up:
HDR imaging is alittle more important for me as i use it in my graphics all the time for clients. most of the time we subcontract others with the right equipment meaning i lose a chunk of $.
I understand wanting auto bracketing...but then why did you buy a D40/D60? If you want that feature that's what the D80/D90 and above are for.
Heck I even migrated from the D80 to the D300 because I could bracket more exposures. I can now do 3, 5, 7, or 9 whereas I could only do 3 before.
I just wanted to thank Vapor for this (ancient) idea. I was looking for a simple test and it doesn't get any easier then this :p: :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
my first results are far from great, but its a start:
original:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/cagiali/t01.jpg
hdr:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e299/cagiali/t02.jpg
(edit: just to clear it up, I did a total of 9 exposures, but spared you guys from the other 8)
thats why i wanted your 80!!! i know i should have gone with a 80/90 but at the time it was too costly and the 90 was not out. 90 bodies for like $900 now so its not that bad. people make bad chooses :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
edit:
first HDR, and clouds came out weird. they were moving faster then i could take them so its gots some weird stuff going on
hoax: Nice example of HDR, you captured at least 9 stops of DR (very impressive) :cool:
evil-98: Not too bad for your first - it looks too dark under the roofs imo, I'm guessing you're using Photomatix - you might want to try bumping up light smoothing and the luminosity.
Old shot back in early November:
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2028/Xtre...y/IMG_5655.jpg
Would anyone be interested in a HDR tutorial that doesn't require Photomatix and gives (in my opinion) more realistic results?
my composition in CS3 was really weird, couldnt get the tones correct and the awkward glow from local adaptation. when it stops raining im going to try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metric
Thanks Metric! that november shot looks really nice, great natural colors :up:
I am sure interested in reading that tutorial. Specially interested in reading about the kind of workflow that others use with HDR. :yepp:
I'll read your tutorial.. I've yet to try a HDR.. but I'm going to give it a try today if I can.
Taken today, cloudy boring day, the sky was all grey, so not really a lot of detail to gain there, but a HDR picture none the less:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7...mapped1bf5.jpg
First I created the HDR image in photomatrix, but then it left horrible CA/miss alignments. So I loaded the picture into Lightroom, corrected that, and it turned out OK. Though some parts are a little... "shaken" because I couldn't be bothered with bringing a tripod for school.
my sucky Fuji S5800 + alot Photoshop (HDR plugin) :D
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/...9975b290_b.jpg
No detail in the shadows and a blown sky - where is the HDR?Quote:
Originally Posted by artissco
Here's my first HDR.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/...69c33e6e_b.jpg
I'm revisiting Photomatix after having trouble with Photoshop and finding pictures it does better. It still doesn't align like CS3/CS4 (will always be the king of perfection) but it brings out shadow detail a lot better.
Photoshop:
King of alignment (but takes more processing time)
Supresses noise (cleaner images)
Great light smoothing
Photomatix:
Better shadow and overall detail (via Detail Enhancer)
Enhances noise (grainer images)
Good light smoothing (but not quite as good as Photoshop)
So there you have it...I'm using PM a lot more now, but that doesn't make it the standard. I'm not liking the noise especially. It came with a new plug-in that allows one-click integration with Lightroom which is a big plus.
HDR through Exposure Blending:
https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2028/Xtr...phy/Hawaii.jpg
Another HDR. Criticism please.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/...73d16d2e_b.jpg
The last one is incredible.
looks great Marin, as a skier myself, snow is hard to take pictuers of :( but i really really love your first HDR the one below
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/...69c33e6e_b.jpg
Thanks :)
I have one more HDR coming. Should be good *crosses fingers*
This one isn't getting enough credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1avatar
I think if you processed it again and increased the exposure of the foreground it would be excellent.
shot this morning done in cs4
Marin: Not bad, but the neon bluish hue in the shadows feels unnatural to me. I'd try turning down the tone-mapping strength in PM.
evil-98: You got the highlights preserved nicely, but it seems you lost all of the detail in the shadows, such as the back of the van and under the tree leaves. What tone-mapping method are you using to convert 32-bit to 8-bit? Have you tried the Local Adaptation option?
Will do Metric.
I also posted this in the Macro section but this is also a HDR.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/42504877@N00/3297858851/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/...a33cdf44_b.jpg
HDR is most effective when the highlights and shadows are in extremes from each other. some of these shots are unnecessary because you can just add a bit of fill and do some recovery on the highlights instead of taking all these exposures and taking the time to edit them.
here's my first attempt with color/outdoors HDR
total of 3 exposures:
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8707/901jk1.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8548/900ey6.jpg
not a big fan of the pic itself, but love the extra detail that HDR added to it.
c/c :welcome: :up:
edit: couldn't resist messing it up a bit:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2864/grain.jpg
Playing with HDR using LR + Photomatix, 3-shot bracket +/- 1EV. These are all default settings. So far I don't know how to make them with less "candyland colors."
C&C welcome.
The cliché Singapore skyline. It's on every postcard.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/...271d2f1f4c.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3539/...20f659d870.jpg
Different angle. Love the clouds. Hate the lens flare :mad:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/...b2b6dd0088.jpg
Bungee towers at Clarke Quay. Passengers are strapped two at a time to this metal frame, which gets scarily flung around. I'll pass.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3622/...d835d89596.jpg
I like those, Kibbler. A good use of HDR.
hoax - that last one has a definite "Fallout" look.
That's simply the Saturation slider. PM doesn't do a good job with saturation so I leave it around 35-45 and adjust it further when the image is back in LR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
As for the lens flare - just get out the Adjustment Brush (K) and use the Spot Removal tool, it will take care of it easily.
Nice pics.
+1 Kibbler, nice picsQuote:
Originally Posted by shazza
Thanks Shazza, too kind :yepp:
Great shots Hoax and Kibbler.
these are my "Fire In the Sky" shots from sunset today.
http://v-lestat.com/pics/outside_hdr_1b.jpg
http://v-lestat.com/pics/outside_hdr_3b.jpg
http://v-lestat.com/pics/sunset_fire_b.jpg
http://v-lestat.com/pics/sunset_fire_c.jpg
Hi all :)
So you guys are basically taking identicle shots with several different exposure levels, then mixing them somehow?
They all look great by the way :up:
Yes, that is the idea.
if your camera has the 'AE BRacket' option in the menu change it to +2/-2 default is 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
it takes 3 consecutive shots so be sure your using a tripod or sitting the camera on something that wont move. free hand it by all means if you have steel nerves and wont move the camera.
there is a program you can try called Photomatix that will allow you to play around with HDR and tone mapping.
that program is what i used to produce the 'Fire In The Sky' pictures above.
but the other guys/gals i believe are using a mix of photomatix, and adobe photoshop and photoshop Lightroom to produce all those magnificent colors and saturations.
i need to take a couple of pictures at night to see if photomatix will allow you to get more saturated colors than what i have seen thus far, because in all honesty i can only get photomatix to produce richer blues and reds. greens never get very rich.
but maybe i am doing something wrong.
Lestat, after your HDR conversion you should load the image into your editor and finish it there. That includes things like saturation, which are handled by Photoshop, Lightroom, etc much better than PM.
PM really should be used only as an HDR merging tool, so you can obtain proper exposure before your final edits in your other app(s).
ok i thought i read that somewhere, use PM to merge the HDR file (which honestly doesnt look much different than my auto expsoure picture. only slightly slightly richer.
then use lightroom to really get down and dirty with the detailing.
i like all my pictures but the 2nd one is my favorite. it really looks like a fire on the horizon.
If it doesn't look much different then your scene did not have a dynamic range that exceeded what the sensor could capture and thus did not require a bracketed exposure + HDR to capture it :)
interesting because the 3 exposures are clearly different in that the "dynamic range" was quite appearant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
i have not used the raw files yet and increased the exposure time. the camera does a -2...0...+2 just like most other cameras with AE Bracketing.
2 steps doesnt produce much dynamic variance that i can see, although its quite obvious one is brighter and one is darker than the 3rd picture.
i honestly have not done much reading at all on good HDR editing, and i need to, but i thought the AE Bracketing was enough to produce the quality HDR photos i am seeing.
shall i change to manual and go to more extreme exposure differences? or i suppose i can just use the raw files and change the exposure there.
HDR is needed when you have very bright and very dark areas in the same scene, where one exposure would be a compromise between the two. HDR can capture the high, low, and in between in multiple pictures and combine them for that "ultimate" picture we can't capture with one digital image sensor exposure. If your scene doesn't contain this wide dynamic range then HDR won't benefit you as your sensor can already capture it in 1 shot.
+2, 0, -2 is ideal for most cameras.
Hope this makes sense. Maybe post the 3 images, and your final result and we'll take a look.
That's a good explanation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburner
It's actually totally different from how the post-processing effect is used in video games then heh :)
mmmm,,, it is somewhat the same HDR in video games is simply used to give you better lighting effects. its meant to show you a more realistic lighting, which in a way is what HDR photography is trying to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xello
all the pictures you see are fake, but if you look at a real HDR picture it looks much more realistic.
Wow, those are simply beautiful.
another sunset out my front door.
more clouds tonight as it rained off and on all day.
i used photomatix to combine a series of 12 pictures all taken at various exposure levels. 4 auto exposure, 4 over exposed, and 4 under exposed.
http://v-lestat.com/pics/sunset3.24.09c.jpg
What are the best programs for HDR's???
Are there any good free ones floating about? or how about plugins for photoshop or aperture??
i dont need anything for aligning the photographs as i have the 50D which does the captures one after another and i will be doing them all on a tripod
thanks
My first multi exp HDR from D40.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3565/...c0824785_b.jpg
I really like that pictuce accept the gras at the bottom. Cut that out and you have really nice pic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat